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Is this really what happens at Christian women’s conferences?

Yuck. This would make the Proverbs 31 woman turn over in her well-organized and tidy grave.

It’s like the Christian Vagina Monologues…

Sorry. (Send all hate mail here.)

Found at Christian Nightmares.

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posted July 22, 2010 at 8:10 pm

That’s pretty funny you should say that, considering the ministry that puts on those conferences with fashion shows and such is called Proverbs 31 ministries.

I have to disagree with you on this one.

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    posted July 22, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    I actually think its a little cute. Its not slick but in the scheme of things its fairly harmless. I’m with MainlineMom

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    posted July 22, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    Proverbs 31 Ministry does host fashion shows but not quite like this one. My sister actually attended one of these and was highly offended…and now I see why! Oh, my!

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posted July 22, 2010 at 8:21 pm

Sure, God looks on the heart and it’s all about “what’s inside you” while having a runway that extols what’s on the outside.

MPT gets my support on this one. I wouldn’t go to that conference.

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Brent Alexander

posted July 22, 2010 at 8:21 pm

Wow. So this is what the women of God’s church are learning? This isn’t good.

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posted July 22, 2010 at 8:22 pm

Oh, and I can’t endorse ANYTHING (Christian or not) that uses Ke$ha as background music. Uggggh.

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posted July 22, 2010 at 8:23 pm

Self-esteem & entertainment. Bleck. It’s no wonder women are rarely invited to speak at the big co-ed Christian conferences. Can anyone say “Zero credibility?”

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posted July 22, 2010 at 8:25 pm

mrs metaphor

posted July 22, 2010 at 8:35 pm

hello mixed messages….

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posted July 22, 2010 at 8:47 pm

What is the point of being a Christian? So that they can join THIS particular club?

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Venchenza Settles

posted July 22, 2010 at 9:22 pm

If this is what happens at women’s conferences then I’m glad I missed out.

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posted July 22, 2010 at 9:43 pm

The dancing was badly done–to poorly-chosen music, and some of the fashion show models took it a little far…so there’s that. But the concept of a fashion show, IF presented in the right context (i.e., fun and NOT “the externals matter more”) isn’t something I have a problem with. (Let’s face it–women tend to like fashion.) It’s all in how it was presented, and that we don’t know from the video.

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amy courts

posted July 22, 2010 at 9:55 pm

Can I just say? As an indie artist whose done a few rounds in the christian market, I can’t count how many times MORE I’ve been told by Christians Heads than by the mainstream Heads to lose weight/get certain beauty treatments/do hair done right, etc. And these sorts of little fashion shows at women’s conferences that boast modesty, character, and integrity are simply the “god’s girls” way of worshiping vanity and objectifying women. Kind of like how christians excuse hours of gossip with “prayer meeting” signs.

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amy courts

posted July 22, 2010 at 10:00 pm

[my apologies for gross typos.]

Connie: It’s one thing to celebrate beauty and to affirm every woman’s beauty. We’re created with the need to feel and be told we’re beautiful. It’s right to celebrate it. But this video didn’t look to me like a celebration of beauty but a celebration of expensive fashion, makeup, and vanity.

I suppose, though, I’d have to see the whole video – rather than just the edited clip – to know how, exactly, it’s presented.

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posted July 22, 2010 at 10:09 pm

Yup, that’s pretty much what all of the women’s conferences I’ve ever been to were like. I don’t particularly enjoy them but my friends keep talking me into going back. I’m the one sitting in the corner concentrating on trying not to be too obvious when I roll my eyes.

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    posted July 23, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Seriously, they are like that. And I hated them – but went because of my friends too. Bleh.

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William Dyer

posted July 22, 2010 at 10:11 pm

I wonder how many of these people brush their teeth with a bottle of Jack before they go to these fashion shows. I heard that on the Saturday night of these conferences everybody gets crunk, crunk while the boys try to touch their junk, junk.

Please remove my sensory organs.

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posted July 22, 2010 at 11:27 pm

1. Is that Sarah Palin speaking, minus glasses?
2. Hello, Christian in a blue dress!

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Ryan Peter

posted July 23, 2010 at 12:22 am

That ‘don’t stop, bottle of jack’ party song or whatever it’s called is so dodgy. I’ve got no problem with non-christian music, but that song is super dodgy.

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posted July 23, 2010 at 1:10 am

What do the Vagina Monologues have to do with anything in this video? I’m guessing you’ve never actually read the script or seen the play performed.

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    Jonathan Chang

    posted July 23, 2010 at 5:36 am

    Okay, he’s clearly just kidding Saskia.

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    Matthew Paul Turner

    posted July 23, 2010 at 7:23 am

    Oh Saskia. Because there is a stage and there is a vagina. It’s a joke. Don’t be so serious! :)

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      posted July 24, 2010 at 5:00 am

      I wasn’t actually being at all serious. I was just wondering how you made the connection..I hadn’t thought that having a stage and a vagina present would be enough to qualify it..

      I don’t like using emoticons in my comments, but I’ll have to go back to that, if people are going to take me too seriously!

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        posted July 24, 2010 at 2:35 pm

        I thought maybe there really was such a thing as the Christian Vagina Monologues and was getting ready to google it. Sounds atrocious but that’s a train wreck I’d like to see.

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          posted July 25, 2010 at 12:38 am

          well, there probably could be. Self-acceptance and body image, especially surrounding sexuality, is something christian women are often socialized into feeling shame about…

          if it wasn’t plagiarism, I’d get on it.

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Matt Kelley

posted July 23, 2010 at 6:45 am

Apparently this conference is taking place in Bedrock, judging by the getup of the speaker. Yabadabadooooo… leujah!?

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posted July 23, 2010 at 8:09 am

I don’t see Paul having one message for the women and one for the men. I don’t see evidence in history of women and men being separated into different conferences. The message in the New Testament was given to both men and women. Jesus had female disciples–hence the issue with Mary and Martha–Mary was crossing over the social norms of gender laws but Jesus continued to teach her. I wonder if the shallowness of the American Church overall can partially be found in our need to stereotype the genders and give the genders what their own little pep talks. Perhaps conferences which don’t separate God’s people and focus on the Gospel message would be more useful to the Kingdom. Just saying.
I’ve attended some women’s conferences and found the message to be very typecasting of women and our issues. While encouraging in some ways, I do not feel I was called deeper in my faith, just deeper in my “woman-ness” and the gender roles the church prescribed for me.

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posted July 23, 2010 at 8:27 am

Personally, I love where you’re sending the hate mail….

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posted July 23, 2010 at 10:11 am

Maybe these women should get out of the expensive clothes and off the runway and go do something meaningful for their community. I just don’t see how a conference like this fulfills Matthew 28:19.

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posted July 23, 2010 at 11:33 am

Personally, I think this looks like alot of fun! Makes me want to attend! It just looks like lots of women and girls of all ages and sizes having fun and learning about being Godly women.
I love tha the fashion show looked fun, women being girls and enjoying themselves with other women and modeling girls of all sizes! Yay for Girl Talk! I love this! Breaking out of the “Conference” box and having some fun!

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Carole Turner

posted July 23, 2010 at 4:08 pm

This is exactly what woman’s conferences are like and it’s sad. The crazy thing is if you surveyed Christian women and non Christian women, the majority would tell you they don’t like this stuff or want this at a conference. They go to a conference to hear speakers or to get away more then to see Christian rip offs of secular pop culture. Ugh!

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posted July 23, 2010 at 7:38 pm

How do you watch this stuff? I made it to 0:09. You all watched the whole thing? For real?

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posted July 24, 2010 at 4:18 am

Thanks for getting Tik Tok stuck in my head. Lovely. Ugh.

I had more to say about how this just reiterates how the American Church has a major love affair with money and fashion and no concept of the consequences and the work and probable forced labor that went into producing those outfits they’re so happily strutting about in…but I can’t do it over the “oh oh oh oh” in my head. 😐

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posted July 26, 2010 at 1:46 pm

Wow that was scary. For some reason whenever I think of girl talk I always think of the band

Some how I think they aren’t related :-)

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posted July 27, 2010 at 8:21 am

Dear diary,
I think I just had a nightmare. That was terrifying.

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