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This is a fundamental Baptist’s version of the Pussy Cat Dolls



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Michael

posted April 7, 2010 at 11:01 am


I’m speachless, other than saying “I’m speachless.”



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@realpb

posted April 7, 2010 at 11:01 am


i think i saw the one on the right shaking her hips a little bit.



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@realpb

posted April 7, 2010 at 11:01 am


she should be kicked out of the group for sure.



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Chuck Harris

posted April 7, 2010 at 11:03 am


they’ve got quite a camera set up there. there is a certain lack of “warmness” to their voices. and frankly i was expecting some really good Southern Gospel harmonies. didn’t get it. are those (shock) DRUMS back by the second piano. also, right by the pulpit is that a plaque from like the Power Team?



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Neal Campbell

posted April 7, 2010 at 11:04 am


This is kind of creepy! My Chihuahua, Zoe, ran and hid behind me.



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Tim McGeary

posted April 7, 2010 at 11:04 am


I wonder how the PCD’s could do without a dominant 2-4 beat?



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Dan

posted April 7, 2010 at 11:07 am


Somebody contact Fox. This should be the next AI group sing!



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JuliaKate77

posted April 7, 2010 at 11:09 am


wow… is that a hymnal or a bible their holding to their chests? one of them is obviously pregnant… i mean why else would you carry your bible over your tummy. okay, time for me to go repent.
but before i go repent, my favorite part is the quick hand raising. love that.



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Shellie (baylormum)

posted April 7, 2010 at 11:11 am


It scares me, sometimes, to think of going to a church like this one. Not a facial expression on a single person. Does anyone in the congregation know what unconditional love is? If they did, it would show in their face. In their body language. And there would be songs of praise! Sad, very sad, that so many really don’t get how glorious life can be. God will not strike you down if you show some emotion. Or look like you care-just a little. Go for it! Be bold! Be excited!



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    Matthew Paul Turner

    posted April 7, 2010 at 11:24 am


    Oddly enough, “expression” and “facial excitement” was frowned upon at my church. As a kid, my father once talked to me about singing without moving my eyebrows.



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    Danny

    posted April 7, 2010 at 12:27 pm


    I can’t help but wonder, shouldn’t that same “unconditional love” also been show to those with no expression and excitement.



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      Danny

      posted April 7, 2010 at 12:28 pm


      Clearly I failed at typing. Should read, “be shown to”



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        Matthew Paul Turner

        posted April 7, 2010 at 12:39 pm


        Danny, I’m not sure I am following your question. Can you explain?



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          Danny

          posted April 7, 2010 at 12:52 pm


          I’m just wondering, if we are guilty of not showing them “unconditional love.” Surely we aren’t suggested that unless these ladies get up there and sing with a facial expression that they haven’t experienced love. Or the people in the pew for that matter. Maybe they just worship differently.

          I don’t know. I’m a big fan of the site, (never commented) but the particular post and the comments that followed just left me feeling depressed. If the fundamentals were ridiculing the tongue speakers and dancers someone would call them out on it. But, are we essentially guilty of doing the same thing to these guys?



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        Matthew Paul Turner

        posted April 7, 2010 at 1:04 pm


        I see your point, Danny. And you may be right to a certain extent. It’s probably difficult for me to be objective, since I was raised in this exact kind of church. Which is why I posted the video, to give people an idea about the sort of churched upbringing I had.

        The thing is, their expressions are serious because they aren’t allowed to showcase emotion. It’s against the rules. It would be one thing if they had the choice to express themselves facially and didn’t; but they don’t have the choice.

        I think most people who have made comments are pointing out what they see as unfamiliar or odd compared to their personal experience.

        Personally, I’m not judging these girls. I’m simply pointing out what I know to be factual from own experience growing up in the same denomination.



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          Danny

          posted April 7, 2010 at 1:10 pm


          Thanks for your insight.

          I grew up in a Southern Baptist church and pastor one now. And apparently my view of fundamental just changed.

          Thanks for taking to time to help me out!



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Dan

posted April 7, 2010 at 11:16 am


…and at about the 3:00 mark the pastor finally gives in to Satan’s call and starts tapping his foot! Foul temptresses!



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cshell

posted April 7, 2010 at 11:42 am


Listening to them recite the verses at the beginning was like nails on a chalkboard….or like robots with bad programming…no, it was like robots scratching their fingernails on a chalkboard. Yeah, that.



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Ian

posted April 7, 2010 at 12:23 pm


I sort of resent the fact they are called ‘Baptists’

We used to be considered cool! We used to go against the system, all rebellious and emerging.

And now we get lumped in with THAT



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brent(inWorship)

posted April 7, 2010 at 12:25 pm


I think someone in the congregation has turrets…



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Stan

posted April 7, 2010 at 12:26 pm


So, let me get this straight. They have to sing with basically no emotion for fear of God’s wrath. But the crowd can scream and shout randomly? Wow!



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Jamie the Very Worst Missionary

posted April 7, 2010 at 12:26 pm


All of my buttons just spontaniously buttoned themselves.



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Matt

posted April 7, 2010 at 12:28 pm


Opening scripture reading – All I could think was “We are the borg, resistance is futile.”



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Nick

posted April 7, 2010 at 12:29 pm


I followed the video over to YouTube. In all of their videos, they are all holding Bibles. I wonder what the purpose of that is? Maybe to keep a Bible between them and all those preacher boys?



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    Matthew Paul Turner

    posted April 7, 2010 at 12:37 pm


    For the more conservative groups who came to my church, it was a way of expressing their love for the Bible.



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      Nick

      posted April 7, 2010 at 7:00 pm


      Growing up for a majority of my youth in an Independent Baptist Church, this was a first for me…I guess we were Liberals :)



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Chris

posted April 7, 2010 at 12:37 pm


This can’t be a fundamental Baptist church. They’re using Sennheiser wireless mics. A true fundamentalist church would use wired Shure 58 mics with brightly colored foam windscreens on them so the sound guys knows who got which mic. Did anyone follow that?



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    cshell

    posted April 7, 2010 at 12:59 pm


    I follow, you must have went to my church! LOL!



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      Chris

      posted April 7, 2010 at 1:36 pm


      I didn’t grow up in a fundamentalist church (some would debate), but I did grow up in a Southern Baptist church and we had multiple of every color wind screen available in the 90s. Actually, I think they were still using them (just in all black now) last time I visited a year ago.



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    ro

    posted April 7, 2010 at 1:02 pm


    Good call my friend. However, at our church, we are using both, SM58/SM57 and Sennheiser mics in perfect harmony. Then again, non denominational here, so you mileage may vary.



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    Nathan

    posted April 7, 2010 at 6:39 pm


    Colored foam mics? Are you kidding me, those aren’t allowed! The only mic that’s allowed is the one that’s built into the pulpit.

    Haha, I laugh at people’s definitions of fundamentalism. You haven’t seen fundamentalism until you’ve attended Bob Jones University, possibly Pensacola or one of their approved churches. They truly do make these girls look like the Pussycat Dolls. No joke.



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      larry

      posted April 8, 2010 at 7:45 am


      Former BJU student checking in. I hear Basilean is playing Phi Beta Chi tonight at the Alumni Gym. Can you hear the strains of the Marlboro Man (Oops, Magnificent Seven) theme playing by the dining hall before the Barbecued Hot Dogs meal? (I’m most likely showing my age.)



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Misty

posted April 7, 2010 at 1:01 pm


Actually, I was hoping for a modified version of “When I Grow Up.” What IS the Christian alternative for “I wanna have boobies,” anyway?



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    neu

    posted April 7, 2010 at 1:54 pm


    Ironically, the song says “groupies” not “boobies.”



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      chuckazooloo

      posted April 7, 2010 at 9:06 pm


      not the real song. they kidzbop version says groupies. i would rather my girls want boobies than groupies. i’m just saying.



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Kevin

posted April 7, 2010 at 1:09 pm


the girl in the brown shirt was swiftly taken to the chamber behind the sanctuary after the performance and beaten for raising her hand.

i agree with you, chris, there must have been some trickery or slick editing involved with this video to mask the 58′s covered with little colorful afro’s…



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Adam Kolosik

posted April 7, 2010 at 1:11 pm


I only made it one minute 30 and had to quit. My face nearly hit my keyboard putting me to sleep here at Starbucks.



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Dan

posted April 7, 2010 at 1:20 pm


Okay, reading some of the comments on the video, and have become seriously confused. One commentor points out that singing in church is not for the audience, it is for God, and actually admonishes the Pastor for saying they’d be singing “for Us” while praising the audience for not applauding (but rather shouting “Amen.”).
BUT other people own their CD’s. If the music is truly only for God then why make it available outside of church (via recorded medium such as CD)? Isn’t the purchase of CD’s, and the praises put upon them in the comments an equivalent of applause (“Idol worship”)?

And I read about someone being “saved” by this song…while I’ve seen my Conservative Baptist preacher friend tell me that one of the problems with CCM music is that it’s used as an evangelism tool, and there is no scriptural precedent for it…

And, while I enjoy the discussion here, I’m hoping those most recent couple of comments on the video were not the result of people from this site bouncing over…while yes, it’s YouTube and everyone’s invited to participate in discussions I don’t think effectively trolling, even in the name of theological debate, is warranted.



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Elliott

posted April 7, 2010 at 1:34 pm


Really, folks? Instead of obsessing over these and the rest that are in church, why not put that energy towards the many that don’t make it through the doors on Sunday mornings or any other time?



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    Matthew Paul Turner

    posted April 7, 2010 at 1:45 pm


    Elliot. Nobody’s obsessing. It’s simply a discussion. And honestly, I’d rather somebody not go to church than to be introduced to God in a church like this. It isn’t healthy.



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      Elliott

      posted April 11, 2010 at 6:13 pm


      MPT, I love your posts and your tweets, but I think I have to disagree with you here. I can live without the word ‘obsessing’ as it relates to these comments (and truth be told, I thought they were a long way from stellar myself), but when you say you’d rather people didn’t go to church than go to this one, it comes across as your way being the only right way. I will admit that this is your blog, and therefore you get almost all the opinion leeway you would care to have, but what if this church felt that their’s was the only way and if you couldn’t have it their way, you shouldn’t go at all.
      Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that you need to change what you think or say (’cause your writings wouldn’t be nearly as enjoyable if you did). I’m just saying that, as with most things, there are different lanes on the Narrow Road (even if it is in the form of a smile-free, monotone worship team). Let me know your thoughts (not sure I needed to say that). Thanks.



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Aaron

posted April 7, 2010 at 1:57 pm


I think I saw the girl on the left crack a smile. For a second. Maybe. Or maybe her lip just twitched.



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Leanne Zeck

posted April 7, 2010 at 2:29 pm


What struck me as I watched the video was how perfect everyone played their roles. Growing up in more conservative, fundamentally leaning churches, there are specific age and gender roles in the church. These ladies were being good Christian girls expressing their faith in one of a few outlets available to them. God forbid you are like me, a woman who cannot sing and does not relate well with children under the age of 12, yet you hear God’s grace calling to you. What breaks my heart is not the lack of emotion shown for that is simply a result of the greater problem–the lack of understanding and experience of God’s grace and the lack of creativity in the Body of Christ. I mean God used a donkey in the story of Balaam, why can’t he use women for more than songs and children?



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gitz

posted April 7, 2010 at 2:50 pm


Were people shouting? Like, they were getting their worship on?



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cody

posted April 7, 2010 at 3:15 pm


Coming from a more conservative background as a Independent Fundamental Baptist, I hesitated to retweet and share this on Facebook, but of course I did. Probably going to lose some missionary support from the ones who go to churches like this. Seeing the title of the post I just knew this would be funny, but it isn’t in any way. Like MPT said, I would rather people not go to church at all than go to a church like this. Is this wrong to say?? Because I did begin my relationship with Christ in a similar setting. I just believe more harm is being done than good.



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    Shellie (baylormum)

    posted April 7, 2010 at 3:26 pm


    I pray that the people who support you will understand. Being open-minded is essential for growth. In my opinion.



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Shellie (baylormum)

posted April 7, 2010 at 3:23 pm


Let me be clear. What I said above about unconditional love wasn’t meant to exclude anyone. For me, I try to love everyone & not judge how they do or don’t show emotion. I may not like how they express themselves, but I still have love for them!

And I have to agree with MPT on “it’s not healthy”. I truly think I, personally, would explode if I couldn’t express my love for music. CCM or otherwise. Tapping my foot. Clapping. Not holding onto my Bible for dear life. I can worship the Lord the way I want and need. Others have their ways.

Just like the 12 step program I go with! I have to find what works for me. I can’t work my program of recovery the way someone else does. And being free to make decisions on my own. For me. In my daily life. Based on what is keeping me clean. Based on prayer. And listening for answers. I must stay open-minded. Which is why I cannot judge this video. Not my job.



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Amanda

posted April 7, 2010 at 3:58 pm


Which one of them is yelling instead of singing?? All of them were doing it to some extent, but one was just flat out yelling. And those creepy, terrifying robot stares? Good god. That was just horrible.



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Rob

posted April 7, 2010 at 4:24 pm


I’m not from a Baptist or fundie background, so I’m wondering, is there something inherently wrong with using proper vocal technique in this type of church culture? There’s no vibrato or vowel emphasis, the harmonies are anemic and their phrasing and breathing is cringe inducing. Musically it is just awful – and that has nothing to do with their expressions. Granted technique isn’t everything, so I’m not trying to judge them as I’m sure their hearts are right, but since they are a touring vocal group, is formal training forbidden or just not emphasized?



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Matt @ The Church of No People

posted April 7, 2010 at 4:32 pm


Dude, that was hot. The Dolls have nothing on them.



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Steve

posted April 7, 2010 at 5:24 pm


Have they performed on 19 and Counting?



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Reid

posted April 7, 2010 at 5:34 pm


I’m just glad we are all cooler than they are…doesn’t this trick get old Matthew?



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have a feeling

posted April 7, 2010 at 6:40 pm


I have a feeling jesus’ heart was touched by these kids. Why be so quick to judge – especially when you are condemning those who do the same…why is that OK?



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    Matthew Paul Turner

    posted April 7, 2010 at 7:10 pm


    Are you the person in charge of keeping track when Jesus’s heart gets touched?



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      have a feeling

      posted April 7, 2010 at 8:43 pm


      Geez, mpt! No, not really. but, like I said, I have a feeling Jesus’ heart was touched by these kids. I kinda feel his heart. – and why attack each other? Isn’t that what “they” are known for? Shouldn’t we be known by the love we extend to each other?



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        Matthew Paul Turner

        posted April 7, 2010 at 8:45 pm


        It was just a joke. Sorry.



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          have a feeling

          posted April 7, 2010 at 8:47 pm


          bear with me…



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LCW

posted April 8, 2010 at 12:43 pm


I have some insight on this video. I am currently a member of a Baptist church that occasionally hosts groups like this. In fact I come from the very same church MPT grew up in. My own opinion is that it’s kinda creepy and doesn’t sound good, among other things. I don’t care for that style of music personally, but hey, some people do.
What we don’t get from the video is the background story. I had the chance to talk to the girls, and the peer and adult leaders from girl’s groups like this. The girls are under 18 and are sent to live in a home far away from their “pasts”. They were sent to this home by their parents, who couldn’t or wouldn’t handle them, or by a judge. Many of the girls I’ve met from groups exactly like this were imprisoned for theft, assault, selling using/drugs, etc. Some of them used to be and still are aggressive and violent. They’re basically sent to this home for reformation, where the rules and leaders provide serious structure. They dress modestly, attend school, and sing in a traveling group so they can share their testimonies with churches(hence the lack of talent). They also get Jesus there. Now, I don’t advocate getting Jesus this way, because the way I got Jesus was not too far from this and it took me years to truly find him again. But they are taken in, loved and given another chance. It wouldn’t be my prefered faith experience, but I guess I figure, who I am to determine what’s best for each person?



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Rob

posted April 8, 2010 at 4:15 pm


LCW – Thanks for that background info in answering my question. I did some research but did not discover those details – just a lot of people passionately defending their music and the KJV Bible…

Their ministry really is a heart issue and not a musical one. Though my musical background and Bible preference may be different than theirs, I appreciate the intent. My comments were not intended to be offensive or judgemental. My apologies to anyone who received them that way.



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Morgan

posted April 9, 2010 at 3:24 pm


I think Psalms recitation was the scariest part. I bet that’s exactly how it sounded.



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