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The Common Good (p4)

posted by Robert Gelinas

Which country is pro-life?  In the Netherlands and Germany abortion is legal.  In Brazil abortion is strictly prohibited.  

If we look at the laws of these countries the answer seems obvious.  But when we look at the actual number of abortions we have to wonder.  Even though abortion is illegal in Brazil "an astounding forty of every thousand pregnancies end in abortion.  The current rate of U.S. abortions is about half that of Brazil."  Some of the lowest abortion rates are found in Germany and the Netherlands.

Korzen and Kelley say that we have to ask "Why?" before we vote.  If we think that making abortion illegal will actually reduce the number of abortions than what will we do when Roe vs. Wade is overturned and we don't see the desired results?  While they agree that abortion is one of the greatest threats to human life they say we should examine the methods we are pursuing to reach our goals.  Specifically, they point out that poverty is really the root of all problems.  The abortion rate is highest among the poor and in the poorest countries.  So if we vote for and work to improve life for the poor then we will see our goal when it comes to abortion realized.

What do you think of their line of reasoning?


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Nic

posted September 12, 2008 at 6:17 am


Completely enjoying this conversation. Absolutely engaging.



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Sonya

posted September 12, 2008 at 10:39 am


I agree with their line of reasoning. The more reading I do it seems that I learn that economics (poverty and wealth) influences everything. I have read in other materials that when the poor have more income and opportunities to generate wealth, they are less likely to seek abortions. I also think education and family planning is vital to the abortion discussion.
I also agree (from The Common Good p2) that persons who are motivated by their faith to engage politics/government should try compromise. I think all sides have something to contribute for the greatest good of society and our world and that no one group has all the answers.



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Cory

posted September 12, 2008 at 12:46 pm


Curious, do these stats include the use of the “morning after” pill? I know the usage of that is wide in Europe – and I would assume that the accessibility to that medication would be more difficult to come by in poorer areas of the world? So women in poorer countries who wish to end their pregnancies wouldn’t have access to anything other than a “standard” abortion procedure…?



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kayla

posted September 12, 2008 at 3:21 pm


love this article! i totally agree. just by outlawing abortion won’t make it go away. we need to look at the underlying issues of why ppl are having abortions and deal with those, instead of just assuming that ppl are having abortions b/c they can
i wrote an article on a related point – http://www.notyourmamasreligion.com/articles_view.asp?columnid=3129&articleid=49491



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Ann

posted September 13, 2008 at 7:52 am


I don’t think making abortion illegal will stop the people who want one from getting one – it will just stop them from getting it done safely from a doctor who knows what they’re doing. That’s something that should most certainly be taken into consideration.



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jazztheologian

posted September 14, 2008 at 6:27 am


Thanks everyone for your thoughtful comments…I think that we as Christians, with towel and basin in hand, have something to offer in the midst these great issues we face…
Nic–Thanks for stopping by…
Sonya–as hard as it is, I think that compromise may be one of the best tools we have in our toolbox.
Cory–me thinks you ask good questions…I tried to find the original research to no avail but one would have to think that your on to something.
Kayla–thanks for the heads up on your article and I look forward to reading more of what you have to say on your blog.
Ann–Yes, there are two human beings we are trying to protect: an innocent unborn and a desperate already born…may the Lord give us compassion, mercy and the wisdom of Solomon!
Stay in the groove,
robert (aka jazztheologian)



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Ed

posted September 16, 2008 at 7:57 pm


As an avid reader, here are some book suggestions you may appreciate:
Total Truth: Liberating Christianity from Its Cultural Captivity by Nancy R. Pearcey
The Hidden Power of Electronic Culture: How Media Shapes Faith, the Gospel, and Church by Shane Hipps
Post-Modern Pilgrims: First Century Passion for the 21st Century Church by Leonard Sweet



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Clinton

posted September 17, 2008 at 10:38 pm


Check this out:
The Doctrine of the Shedding of Innocent Blood by Lou Engle
http://revivalfire.info/?p=181



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Heidi

posted September 21, 2008 at 7:42 pm


As a social worker, this reasoning makes obvious sense. How can you expect to impact the life of a child if you don’t care about the mother carrying the baby or about the other children and family members she’s caring for. Or her ability to feed herself the children she already has. Its really hard to hear people say that they are pro-life and then also say that they do not support the funding of social programs that help feed mothers and children. Pro-life initiatives and conversations should also be about the lives of mothers and the families they already have.



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Heidi

posted September 21, 2008 at 7:43 pm


As a social worker, this reasoning makes obvious sense. How can you expect to impact the life of a child if you don’t care about the mother carrying the baby or about the other children and family members she’s caring for. Or her ability to feed herself the children she already has. Its really hard to hear people say that they are pro-life and then also say that they do not support the funding of social programs that help feed mothers and children. Pro-life initiatives and conversations should also be about the lives of mothers and the families they already have.



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Brooke

posted September 22, 2008 at 8:24 am


This is something I think about a lot.. And I think that the answer really comes down to education instead of making abortion entirely illegal. I’m absolutely pro-life, but abortion isn’t really about someone’s right to choice. I can’t remember the exact statistic, but it’s from Focus on the Family – and I believe 90% of women who go in for abortions and have an ultrasound choose not to abort their baby. How about laws to require education about what is really happening with that growing baby, instead of forcing a woman to have a back alley abortion?
There is an organization, Feminists for Life, that is pro-life but takes a different stance. People can argue whether it’s right or wrong all day long, and people get very heated and passionate on either side. But the fact is that abortion isn’t doing anyone any favors. It has actually hurt women in the long run, and instead of empowering them to make their own decisions, has allowed them to be manipulated and pressured to decide to do something they don’t want to do.
It’s all very interesting…
Maybe we need to look at other solutions. Maybe making it illegal isn’t the way to go about this. Maybe it’s our responsibility as Christians to love these women that find themselves in that situation and educate them and give them the best resources available to make a decision.
I agree 100% with your previous post by the way, about being pro-life and partyless.



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Luke Parrott

posted September 27, 2008 at 1:48 pm


it has been a long struggle for our christian community with abortion in America. I believe a new strategy is needed. While we must use our vote to express the cores of our beliefs, we must be “wise as serpants and innocent as doves”.
Legislation has never changed hearts. Meeting in the middle and reaching across party lines, i believe we can all IN LOVE, collectively work to reduce abortion rates. Too much hatred has come from those who claim to follow Jesus. it is time for us to lovingly reach out and help our struggling neighbors find healthy alternatives when pregnancy comes unexpected.
Poverty is the greatest tragedy of our time. It effects us all more than we realize. Let us begin with the systemic problems therein. Our Pro-Life convictions must extend also to the 25,000 who needlessly die each day of starvation. that, my friends, is just as preposterous!



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