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CCM veteran Ray Boltz comes out of the closet and confesses he’s gay

posted by Joanne Brokaw

RayBoltz.jpgWell, here’s a shocker of a story: in an interview with the gay publication Washington Blade, CCM veteran Ray Boltz has come out of the closet and admitted that he’s gay.  The story, published last Friday, relates Boltz’s Christian music career, his struggle with gay feelings, and his eventual confession to his family in December 2004.  It’s actually a really well-done story and definitely worth reading.  But WOW, it’s a total shocker.

For more than 20 years, Boltz has been a staple of the CCM industry, earning several  certified gold albums, three Dove Awards and a string of 12 No. 1 hits.   He’s probably best known for the songs, “Thank You,” “Watch the Lamb,” “The Anchor Holds” and “I Pledge Allegiance to the Lamb.”
He was married for 33 years, raised four kids, and was by all accounts a typical Christian music artist.
But in 2004, he dropped a bombshell on his family when he admitted that he was gay. He’d been struggling for years with his feelings, to the point of clinical depression and thoughts of suicide.  Boltz tells the Washington Blade, “I’d denied it ever since I was a kid. I became a Christian, I thought that was the way to deal with this and I prayed hard and tried for 30-some years and then at the end, I was just going, ‘I’m still gay. I know I am.’ And I just got to the place where I couldn’t take it anymore … when I was going through all this darkness, I thought, ‘Just end this.’”  He and his wife divorced – and maintain a good relationship – and Boltz has the love and support of his children. He’s moved to Florida to start his life over, and tells the publication that he’s dating and leading a “normal gay life.”
in 2007, he visited Jesus Metropolitan Community Church in Indianapolis and quietly slipped a CD and a note to the pastor. It was the first step for Boltz in going public with his news.

While Boltz isn’t the first Christian artist to come out of the closet, he is the most well-known, so it will be interesting to see the reaction from the Christian community. The article does a really good job depicting the CCM mindset towards homosexuality, explaining that “it’s only been those who’ve shown repentance for their perceived sins, who have been able to rebuild their careers.” (Artists like Dennis Jernigan, for example.)

If I can be totally honest, I admit to being a bit conflicted on the gay/Christian issue.

I don’t think anyone goes to hell (whether that’s an eternal fire or an eternal separation from God) because they’re gay. I think that’s determined by our relationship with Jesus and whether or not we’ve accepted that gift of salvation. I have deep compassion for gays; I have close family members and dear friends who are gay, and I know that God loves them all. I don’t feel it’s an “us vs them” argument. But how it all fits into the Christian church? I don’t have a clue.  But I’m pretty sure that, good or bad, the Christian music industry doesn’t have a place for artists like Boltz. There is, however, a budding gay Christian music industry, where artists like Jason & deMarco find success. (Jason Warner started in the Christian music industry, touring in the late 90s with the groups Truth and The Sound.)  While Boltz tells the Washington Blade that he doesn’t want to be the poster child for the Christian gay movement, there may be still an important place for him in the music industry. In fact, he recently performed at the Jesus Metropolitan Community Church in Indianapolis, and on September 21st, he’ll perform at the Metropolitan Community Church of Washington, D.C. at 3:00 p.m. Both are churches with strong outreaches to the gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender (GLBT) communities.

But does it have to be the gay Christian music industry? Can Boltz continue, if he wants, can he remain part of the CCM industry? What’s your reaction to the news?

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John Sanders

posted September 17, 2008 at 12:03 pm


I am disheartened by this article. First, I don’t think any ‘Christian’ media outlet should be making this story public. It’s a very poor choice for this reporter and beliefnet.com. I say this as a person with connections to another media outlet in the Christian market. We chose not to run any news of this horrible story.
What’s worse is the confliction the reporter states. To state there is a Christian gay community and give it legitimacy is heresy. Acceptance of the gay agenda has gone too far in America and I doubt God is to happy about it. There is nothing Christian about being gay. It is a delusion to say the least.
Beliefnet.. you failed on this one. You shouldn’t have published this crap in the first place.



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Joanne Brokaw

posted September 17, 2008 at 12:17 pm


John,
As the “reporter,” I have to respectfully disagree. Because this is a blog about Christian music, I think it’s definitely something I needed to write about. Remember, this isn’t unbiased journalism here but an opinion blog and Ray Boltz is a fairly big name in the industry. We can’t ignore that these things happen, and that there are other artists are there in the Christian community dealing with the same issue. It’s worth considering how the industry handles these kinds of situations and discussing how important an artist’s personal life is when it comes to labeling music “Christian.”
The word Christian simply means follower of Christ. I think there can be musicians who accept Jesus as the Savior and who are gay. What their role is in the organized church, I really don’t know. That’s where I’m conflicted. I admit it.
But this is worth discussing. Boltz decided to come out with the story, and the Washington Blade did a very good job with it. Frankly I think it gives the industry an opportunity to discuss the issue, and I appreciate Ray Boltz being honest about it.
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Doug

posted September 17, 2008 at 12:58 pm


While I don’t fault anyone for printing this information, it is news in this world. I also have a lot of respect for the magazine who chose not to write about it.
I had a father who came out of the closet attempting to continue his Christian life and realized, himself, that you cannot. It is like living as a Christian while continuing an extra marital affair or living as a thief; sooner or later the sin eats you up. He told my mother when he reunited with her that he got sucked into the lie that he was born this way and he knew in his heart that he chose this life style. He had a hard time trying to believe he was this way from birth and that finally ate him up to see the path was wrong.
Homosexulaity is nothing short of a sin that Paul points out in one of his letters to the church in Corinth. It plainly states it is a sin 1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders. He mentions all the other things too that were sin in verse 10 which many within the homosexual community see as sin, why would they just pick this one out as not sinful in nature. It puzzles me.
The fact is that my dad became an advocate for heterosexuality in his last days. He would meet and teach this to his friends still in that lifestyle and to the homosexual community which threatened his life daily for doing it.
The bottom line is you can’t dispute the bible unless you can divorce yourself from it and make claims it is false. If you believe the bible, you can’t rewrite it to fit your need(s) no more than the Sexually immoral, adulterers, idolaters thieves, the greedy, drunkards, slanderes, swindlers could to make thie choice unsinful.
I feel sorry for Ray Boltz and his family. However, I will say it is wonderful to hear that they still love him. They should, hate will never help a sinner repent. I never stopped loving my dad and my respect for him grew when he came to us and said he was wrong and regretted his “choice” and turned away from it and refocused his life on the things above.
Only My Dad and God know his relationship, I believe he is forgiven and in heaven now. I don’t know the relationship between Ray and God and only they will, I hope Ray will see the error of this choice as my dad did after 30 some years feeling this way. I will pray for Ray.



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queerunity

posted September 17, 2008 at 12:59 pm


i am proud of ray for being true to who he is, a man god created to be gay
http://queersunited.blogspot.com/



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Joanne Brokaw

posted September 17, 2008 at 1:11 pm


Doug, I totally see your point and appreciate you sharing your story.
But I get concerned when the Christian community only wants to point fingers at the sin of homosexuality. The Bible is rife with examples of heterosexual adultery, pride, greed, and deceit. I just don’t buy into the “us or them” mentality. There is an entire world out there who need to understand that God loves them – gay or straight – so much so that he sent his son Jesus to be the sacrifice for ALL of our sins.
I would venture to say that in the Christian community, the sin of idolatry is rampant in our worship of Christian celebrities. But that’s another post … or three …
http://blog.beliefnet.com/gospelsoundcheck/2008/08/questioning-the-idea-of-christ.html
http://blog.beliefnet.com/gospelsoundcheck/2008/07/new-company-formed-to-inspire.html
http://blog.beliefnet.com/gospelsoundcheck/2008/09/a-monday-morning-musing-on-the.html
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Benjamin Mullen

posted September 17, 2008 at 1:24 pm


Being the artist has stated he is a Christian, I will use the Christian Bible to offer disscussion. First and foremost, the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin and an abomination to God. (Lev. 18:22; 20:13) Homosexuality is a choice caused by the degradation of sinful man. Romans 1:18-32 talks about this spiral of degradation. The artist clearly came to this point in his life through a series of bad choices, moving further from the God he once served unto gods that he has created to fulfill his sinful desires. God clearly states in His Word that no sin will be in Heaven. Those who die in sin are sinners. So if God separates Himself from sin and casts those who practice sin into hell, the artist needs to realize he is heading the wrong direction. Anyone who is engaged in living sinfully is taking the wrong flight into eternity. His sin is forgivable, but he must stop, repent, turn away from the practice of homosexuality. God does love all. In fact He loves each of us to allow us to choose how we conduct ourselves.
My heart weeps at the attitudes and teachings of the false prophets and teachers that have infultrated the Body of Christ. My prayers are also with the artist and his family. I hope that we all seek God, using His Word, to guide us unto His will.



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Sarah Jansen

posted September 17, 2008 at 1:50 pm


Hi Joanne,
I think what may be ruffling feathers at you is that you seem to be leaning toward acceptance of the gay lifestyle, or the ‘Christian’ gay lifestyle. As a Christian, you’re on shifting ground with that. Yes, you are right that these things happen, they can’t be ignored and discussion is good, and I also agree with you that salvation is based on acceptance of Christ. However, to define a Christian as “simply a follower of Christ” needs to be taken a bit further. Yes, that is the standard definition, but what does it really mean to be a follower of Christ? It isn’t just acceptance of Christ, that’s merely the first step. A true follower of Christ constitutes a lifestyle.
The bible teaches against homosexuality. So for someone to partake in it, and still call themselves a Christian, that can rightfully be viewed as a contradiction. Yet at the same time, we all have sin in our lives, no Christian is without it, so I understand where the lines get blurred. I do know that homosexuality cannot become accepted behavior for the Christian, in the same way that adultery cannot become accepted behavior for a Christian.
Does this mean we should shun them? I don’t believe so. I think they should still be welcome at church, because I don’t believe Jesus would turn anyone away regardless of their sin, and they need to be ministered to like anyone else does. As far as what role in the organized church a ‘gay Christian’ should have, how can they have any role at all? Again, the lines blur here, because this would be like someone standing up before the church and declaring “I’m gay, but it’s ok because I’ve accepted Christ.” If we have that in the church, how are we ever supposed to teach our children what’s right and wrong, and what it truly means to be a follower of Christ?
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Jessica

posted September 17, 2008 at 2:05 pm


I must admit, I was pretty shocked to hear that Ray Boltz was gay. I was familiar with some of his popular Christian hits, but I did not intently follow his career. This could be why the news came as more of a shock to me than perhaps others who were more familiar with Boltz’s life, music, and ministry.
While yes, the act of homosexuality is a sin in God’s eyes, I think that homosexuality is unfairly judged in our culture as a “worse” sin, when that is not necessarily the case. Whether or not one is homosexual is not the point. The point is that we all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God regardless of our sexual orientation. Some Christians seem to have a selfrighteous attitude when it comes to those practicing homosexuality, when in reality, they struggle with their own sinful demons. We need to be careful how we judge our fellow man. We are no better than them.
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Joanne Brokaw

posted September 17, 2008 at 3:03 pm


Benjamin, I completely understand your thoughts. Yes, I would agree homosexuality is a sin. But I can’t hang my entire theology on that one thing, because the issue of salvation still rests on Jesus and salvation, not gay or not gay. It’s the job of the Holy Spirit to convict the world of its sin (whatever sin that might be), not some loser blogger like me. :)
And I’m not trying to be a jerk, LOL, but when you take the issue of sin and generalize it to Christian music, there isn’t an artist out there who isn’t sinning, right? Whether it’s greed or lust or pride or yes, homosexuality. So what do we do? How does that affect Christian music? Should we even have “Christian” music? Is Ray Boltz a bad Christian music artist because he admits he’s gay, but we can have good Christian music artists who only lust? Who decides what sins are acceptable in the Christian music industry?
I’m just thinking out loud, honest, because I don’t have the answers.
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Steven

posted September 17, 2008 at 3:48 pm


EX-GAY Gregory Quinlan gave an interview with One News Now. It may be worth the viewing. “Ex-Gay” I quess that means you can leave homosexuality. http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=250538



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Lee Hartman

posted September 17, 2008 at 3:58 pm


As Jessica noted above, we are all sinners, and we all struggle with our own demons. We do need to be careful how we judge, because we are no better than other humans. However, we cannot claim to be followers of Christ and the Bible, if we take our sin and publicly proclaim that we disagree with the Bible and intend to live in a forbidden lifestyle.
We may have lustful tendencies, or problems with pornography, etc., and these are no better or worse sins than homosexual desires. But if we publicly proclaim that we intend to continue living a lifestyle of casual sex, adultery, or pornography, and expect to be accepted as living a Christian lifestyle, we are fooling ourselves.
We cannot pick and choose which parts of the Bible we want to accept. God gets to pick the rules, we just have the choice to accept them or not.
While the best place for a homosexual or adulterer, etc., may be in church, that person has no place in any type of leadership position — and I believe that would include singing in the church or performing Christian music for the public. The Bible clearly states requirements for leaders, and they must be people of high standards who can be good examples (even though they too are sinners).



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Grace

posted September 17, 2008 at 4:33 pm


Here’s a novel thought…. God is in charge and He and Ray will deal with their relationship directly with each other…as God will do with each of us. I personally trust in Him for matters of the heart and soul and don’t think He needs a bunch of fellow sinners standing and shouting from their pedestals.



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Nate

posted September 17, 2008 at 10:14 pm


As one who has been delivered out of homosexuality, it grieves my heart that this has happened. There is no doubt that homosexuality and the Christian faith are mutually exclusive–just as one that submits himself to a lifestyle of adultery is leaving God. If he belongs to the Lord, then he will be miserable doing this, but if his deepest desire is to be sexually intimate with other males, then he doesn’t belong to God.
In March, the director of the Human Genome Project, Dr. Francis Collins, said this, ‘Homosexuality is not hardwired. There is no gay gene. We mapped the human genome. We now know there is no genetic cause for homosexuality.’



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Jenny

posted September 17, 2008 at 11:35 pm


Joanne I think that you are going off in a tangent. yes it is true that there are other sins. no one denies that. but you seem not to be accepting that acting on homosexual tendencies is a sin as well. it is as thought you are not looking at the issue in this particular case which is: he is not only sinning but he seems to be reveling in it by ‘living a normal gay life’. With his behavior he is in fact saying ‘ hey this is ok. come live like this. God will understand’.
It is indisputable that God love Ray. I mean he loves the rest of us! what he doesn’t love is our sin- his sin and the fact that he seems to be opening his arms to it.
i think sometimes we should go back to basics. go back to the bible and search for the truth. i don’t see you doing that. i see you focused in this argument against us vs them instead of what’s really important which is what Jesus taught us. you are probably way smarter than me but i still think your argument is missing something…



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Ike

posted September 17, 2008 at 11:39 pm


The difference between greed and being gay is one is an action and the other is a lifestyle. One makes a choice to be gay and the Bible still calls it a sin. One can pretend to be a Christian (even the Devil can become an angel of light), but confession is only as good as the desire of one’s heart to be saved. I believe that someone who is a homosexual cannot, with a true heart, be a Christian who is serving God. There are no examples of this in the Bible but there are examples of the consequences of this choice. Should we condemn Ray for his life choice, no, but we have an obligation to treat sin as sin and not to mislead those who are involved in sin. We should pray that the Lord will touch his heart and show him the truth that is in God’s Word.



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brent

posted September 18, 2008 at 12:07 am


While Francis Collins did in fact claim that there maybe no “gay gene,” that comment was not intended to be a weapon for conservative Christians to continue their conundrum against homosexual Christians. Collins, in fact, could be stating this discovery quite possibly in favor of the homosexual community. Many Christian scientists wanted to find a “gay gene” so that they could work to provide a “cure” or preventive measure during early embryonic development to eliminate homosexuality. This would essentially render homosexuality as a disease or epidemic, requiring vaccination or medical attention. Thus, Collins would be alleviating the LGBT communities of that worry by defending their claims that it is not purely genetic, but a blend of sociological, biological, and, controversially, metaphysical conditions.
I believe that Ray Boltz is a honorable man for coming out and having the integrity to face the church in his life. The sin or blame shouldn’t be placed on Ray for be homosexual, but on the Church for its oppressiveness towards homosexual Christians, forcing them to live in a life of lies. Ray has lied to everyone for 40 years because many of the church leaders have tabooed any dialogue on homosexuality, regardless of its relation to ministry, presence in the laity, or in soteriological doctrines. Let’s move past our conditioned hatred towards the confusing nature of homosexuality and the Faith and allow God’s Holy Spirit to guide and direct the church universal in understanding the relationship. Christ witnessed and fellowshipped with the condemned and ostracized in His day, why can’t we seem to be like him? Lets open our doors and hearts and let God heal the wounds on both sides of the discussion. Christ redeems all, it would be wise for the church to remember this.



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Patrick

posted September 18, 2008 at 1:58 am


It’s cool that they mapped the gene and found that there is no gay gene. They also found that there is no gene to want a red haired women or man or blond or black haired or be attracted to a different race. Guess where the rule for homosexuality is in the Bible(for those that don’t capitalize the B in Bible is a sin too right?) in the old testament, whoops, i mean Old Testament; before Christ died for all the worlds sins and all he asked was to believe in Him.
He told us the most important of the Jewish commandments(all 613 accepted) is to love they neighbor as thy self(Christ himself said) which means the biggest piece of crap to grace this earth, you treat them like you treat yourself PERIOD! No sin is greater than another. I drink alcohol sometimes, sin, but each time I do I don’t feel like I’m slighting God. For Nate’s post, is it a good and Christ-like to forbid Gays or Rapists or Murders or Gang Members or oil company employees or Muslims or Atheists to come to Church and have a relationship with Christ? Or is it just that you found you were not gay and stopped that lifestyle?
He that has not sinned cast the first stone, he said to holy men to save a whore and he did not cast the first stone either(being without sin) we are saved by grace and Christ’s sacrifice. To truly be Christ-like, we accept everyone without any reservations. Let Ray’s direct line to God be his and his alone like yours is. God is the judge but the Church is not the jury. And remember, as Christians, the world is our Church not the four walls we reside in on Sundays.
God Bless you Ray, may He on high keep you close to his heart!
And God bless all of us sinners, for without Christ’s sacrifice, we would all be eternally separated.



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Jenny

posted September 18, 2008 at 4:18 am


Brent, answer me this: is being gay a sin? answer me another question: Did Jesus tell his disciples : Go and sin after all…you cannot help it i mean if you don’t accept your sinful nature you are living a life of lies… ( which is basically what your argument above seems to be)
think about what you are saying. you are talking about God, Christ, the bible. have you thought about what Jesus stood for? the truth is the bible is black and white in regards to this. you are contradicting the word you are meant to follow. i don’t get it. relativism is never good man.you don’t get to pick what you like and not like about the bible or God. He is the creator not us. homosexuality is declared a sin. thats it! just as murder, adultery, greed etc are sins. so is homosexuality. that is the truth. and to make myself clear again i dont think God hates Ray i rekon he loves him very much it is Ray’s sin ( and all of our sins) that God hates.



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Joanne Brokaw

posted September 18, 2008 at 9:14 am


Hey, all – thanks for the thoughtful ( and calm!) discussion here. I appreciate that you all had good feedback for me – I told you, I’m conflicted on this issue, LOL. God and I are working through my thoughts on this topic. I mean, other things God has called abominations are eating fish without fins or flying insects that creep on all fours, LOL. And yet we don’t follow the dietary law today. I actually am reading the Bible through cover to cover this year, and have a journal of questions just like that, and once I’m done, I’ll go back and do a deeper study. So I promise you that I’m searching for answers to a whole bunch of questions that puzzle me. :)
BUT I do want to also get some thoughts about this story as it relates to music, since this is a music blog, LOL.
A couple of weeks ago we were dealing with a worship leader addicted to porn who faked terminal cancer for two years. This week we have a veteran in the industry who struggled with homosexuality for years. Every day, the sins of pride and greed and lust run just as rampant in the industry as they do in real life.
So just throwing out some questions for discussion: How does sin affect Christian music? Should music fans care about the personal lives of their artists? Does the industry have a responsibility to monitor the personal lives of Christian music artists?
Joanne
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John Sanders

posted September 18, 2008 at 9:31 am


Jenny is exactly right. It’s right there in the bible and how people can accept this new ‘universal church’ ‘everything is ok to do’ theology, I simply don’t understand. It is getting worse and worse. So the sin of being gay the bible talks about is now ‘ok’ to the world and to other ‘Christians’? And Christians who are intolerant to this are horrible and must be condemned?
Christians need to put their foot down. There are absolute truths in this world and God set it up that way. Living a gay lifestyle is not acceptable and those that opening admit it shouldn’t be give authority. There is only one way to heaven and that is thru Jesus Christ so budding ‘leaders’ in our country that say there are multiple ways to heaven need to be corrected (or not elected!). God created this earth just the way he says in the bible, not from a primordial soup. Enough of these foolishness of accepting sin and lies because we don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings.
Sometimes we need to be critical of even good Christian people that blog, report or teach because regardless of what you call yourself, your words have an effect on those that are exposed to them. We are accountable for what we say, even on a commentary blog.



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Ken Elsey

posted September 18, 2008 at 9:36 am


We must remember that every time a person has sex with someone of the same sex, it is sin. We are told to love the individual, to pray for them. We are also told to flee from sin, from unrighteousness. I think the best we can do as Christians is to pray for Mr. Boltz, his family, and his church. Will homosexuality keep Mr. Boltz out of Heaven? I don’t really know. I do know that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God. We must remember that this life, this body will not be in Heaven.



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Katherine

posted September 18, 2008 at 9:39 am


We are ALL sinners and it is by God’s grace that we can be in a relationship with Him. However, even Jesus told the prostitute to go and sin no more. In the New Testament – all sins are grouped together including homosexuality. We can’t justify a lifestyle as an excuse to sin, which I believe is what is happening here. We are all human and are sinful, and it’s a daily crucifying of our selfish desires – whatever they may be. Being a christian is not always easy and comfortable, and it means to deny ourselves. But, I don’t think people want to do that. Yes, we should love our neighbor as much as ourselves. But, that does not mean that you approve of a sinful life. I used to have a neighbor who was an alcoholic, and we were good friends – but I never thought that him being an alcoholic was a good lifestyle. His wife was always miserable, and they divorced and remarried and separated, etc – it was tragic. Eventually, there will be no such thing as a sin – or moral reasoning. Everything will be o.k. as long as we are nice to each other.
I just pray that God will help us – because we are losing our way . . .



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Craig Evans

posted September 18, 2008 at 9:57 am


The Church definitely needs to hate something in order to have some raison d’etre in life. They should be thankful to the Gay community for giving them a reason to exist-beyond that they’re a bore. Notice how they never pin point other “do not’s” in the Bible. The Church does not represnt God, but rather a ulterior political money making scheme and as long as there are enough insecure fools out there, these hate machines will continue to thrive.



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carol

posted September 18, 2008 at 10:02 am


While we love Boltz music, I am sorry that he did not commit all mind body and soul to Jesus Christ so that he could truly know who he was. The word of God does not lie or the whole idea of Chriistian would be meaningless. So the word does say that there is a heaven and a hell and those who do not hear the word of God including a homosexual will not go to heaven. God does not create a homosexual he makes male and ffemale. Society has bought the lie that this sexual act is a normal thing and one is born a homexexual. A lie that ccauses pain for many such as the struggle of Boltz.
God loves us all and would hope that all would come to the knowledge of Him. He wants none to parish.
I pray that Boltz would come to the full knowledge of Christ and be completely washed by his atoning blood of salvation with the power to overcome feelings of temptation with this minds thought of homosexuality.
Love you Boltz God has peace for you and great things to be done.



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Shirley Welch

posted September 18, 2008 at 10:09 am


I wonder if Christians really understand the human situation here. It isn’t up to us to forgive Ray Boltz for his sins. This is God’s area of judgement. Do we really believe that there are levels of sin and thereby levels of heaven for sinners who repent. Do you listen to and buy CD’s of overweight Christian artist? Do you buy CD’s and listen to music of Christian artists who have had affairs and ruined marriages? Do you listen to music of Christian artist who have repented but formerly lived lives of alcohol and drug addiction? If you don’t, than stop reading the new Testament and anything Paul wrote. How dare we as Christians judge someone who is dealing with or has dealt with sin in their lives. There is no question here. Christ works through our sins to bring us to salvation. For those self righteous people who call themselves Christians – You will be shown the same level of forgiveness, grace and mercy that you exemplified here on earth. There is no question here about how we should treat a fellow Christian who is struggling with sin, guilt and pain. If you still don’t get it, may God bless you with your own personal “Road to Damascus” event!



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MDwyer01@twcny.rr.com

posted September 18, 2008 at 10:12 am


Ray,
God loves you but does not condone this life style. I will not quote scripture to you because I am sure you know them. I will ask you a question, if God meant for man to be with man and woman to be with woman, why did he create Eve from Adams rib and not another man?
May you be delivered in Jesus name. Amen



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jennifer

posted September 18, 2008 at 10:31 am


Does anyone remember the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? The reason behind it? If we do not condemn that which the Bible has put forth as sinful behavior, then we are being untrue to our beliefs and the premise of the Bible principles as a standard for christian behavior. I admire Ray Boltz for coming forth with his struggle, but he needs to remember that God is supreme and God’s justice and mercy are where his salvation lies. And perhaps some heterosexuals should remember that God frowns on immorality in the heterosexual community and anyone who is involved in illicit sexual relationships is as guilty of sin as people who are involved in homosexual relationships.
We, as God’s people are called to care and pray for and help sinners to find the way to God’s salvation, not be their judge and or jury. As a single and celibate person, I must say that what I want to do isn’t what I choose to do. God’s gives us grace to discipline our sexual needs (or should I say wants) since sex is not a life-sustaining need.



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Bert Saraco

posted September 18, 2008 at 10:41 am


Clearly, we are all sinners here. It’s only because of God’s sacrifice of His Son that we can even hope to someday end up in His presence.
Here’s the difference-maker.
I cannot look at my shortfallings and declare, “well, this is the way God made me, so now I’ll just go with it.” This is VERY different from struggling with sin – this is justifying it in my own mind. So, no – we can’t start inspecting the lives of those who minister (who knows what people do after the tour-bus closes its doors?)but we shouldn’t support those who publicly make statements that amount to dangerous doctrinal loopholes for unbiblical lifestyles.



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kizzy

posted September 18, 2008 at 10:47 am


Over the years, I have come to understand the “gay issue”. While I do not believe that I could participate in this lifestyle, I can not just condemn someone else for it. I have several family members and friends who profess to be gay, so I try to understand their feelings. I consider myself a Christian, but I just can’t find my way to hate these people because of their chosen lifestyle. I pray their strength in God. I refuse to worry about it, or stay up late at night. I’ll just let God do that, He’s going to be up all night anyway, right????



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Bert Saraco

posted September 18, 2008 at 11:04 am


I think that anyone who objectively evaluates the tone of most of these comments (including those of the writer of this blog)will see that the Christian community is NOT the hateful caricature that most people have been shown through the media.
We simply struggle to understand.
Still, the term ‘the gay Christian community’ seems as incongruous to me as the terms ‘overeating Christian Community,’ or ‘cleptomaniac Christian Community,’ or ‘gambling Christian community’ would be. There’s a real danger of coddling our harmful behaviors instead of striving to overcome them. I know — it’s God that gives deliverence and victory …but we have to want Him to.



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Rosalie

posted September 18, 2008 at 11:26 am


Ray, I’m so sorry for you, your wife and family(all your children). I know you know what Jesus say about this, I just hope your influance with chrisitians, especially the children who look up to you are not influsensed by your decision to come out of the closet. My heart is broken, and so sad for you and your family! I love you as God loves you, but don’t condone your choisen life style…I’m so sad!



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cb

posted September 18, 2008 at 11:47 am


You had me until you said ” I am prety sure that the industry does not have a place for him”. Whatever happened to not casting stones? If he makes good music and it is inspirational, who cares about his sexual preference? That is between him and the Lord and not for you to judge or keyhole somewhere convenient for you and your mindset.



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Laura

posted September 18, 2008 at 11:57 am


It seems that gay “christians” as well as christians who engage in other self indulgent sins want to have their cake and eat it too. We all have tendancies to sin. What may be a temptation for me may not be a temptation for you. However, no one will die and go to hell because they are homosexual; therefore, no believer should set himself or herself up to be judge over homosexuals. Jesus loves them, but Jesus will judge them. The Bible is also clear about the qualifications for leadership in the church in I Timothy 3, and I Corinthians 5 is more explicit about how the Church/Christian Community should deal with the sexually immoral. When pleasing our human nature becomes our number one priority rather than pleasing Christ, we have a problem in our relationship with Christ. That is why Christ said, “If any man would come after me, he must DENY himself, take up His cross and follow me.” It is one more reason not to allow ourselves to be enamored with Christian leaders and be tempted to compromise the teachings of God’s Word, but rather, rooted and established in Jesus who is Love.



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Colonel Buck Robley

posted September 18, 2008 at 12:14 pm


I once caught a man giving me the eye as I ate lunch with him in his apartment. I whipped him like a dog and left a quarter on the kitchen table.
Sincerely,
Colonel Buck Robley
NO BODY CALLS ME YELLOW!!!



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Greenman

posted September 18, 2008 at 12:22 pm


May I be so bold as to point out that Jesus said absolutely nothing about homosexuality. He did talk about divorce and remarriage and a few things about being judgemental. I know, I know, Paul did say a couple of things about sexual misconduct that some think was homosexuality. Now nothing I say would ever change anyone’s mind. So I suggest that all of you who are “conflicted on the gay/Christian issue” pray about it…. don’t start off telling God you already know the answer….pray and listen. Perhaps you can attend a Metropolitan Community Church. The answer may surprise you.
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Joanne Brokaw

posted September 18, 2008 at 12:26 pm


CB,
Just to clarify: I didn’t mean the statement about the industry not having a place for Boltz as a judgement, but as a statement of fact. The reality is that the CCM community isn’t going to welcome Boltz with open arms (commercially, at least), as much because CCM listeners won’t go for it as because of the same discussion we’re having here. So it’s not my opinion but a reality of the industry. If he repented, walked away from the gay lifestyle, they’d bring him back and make him a poster child for reforming gays. That’s just reality.
As an aside, I was reading on another blog about Christian music fans saying they now have to burn his CDs. What??! That’s nuts, in my opinion.
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Shelia Reed

posted September 18, 2008 at 12:29 pm


I have counseled with young men over the years that dealt with gay feelings, some had been molested as children and introduced to sexual feelings they should have not ever known.
They prayed seriously about this heavy pulling desire and no understanding of it, and the desire would not leave them alone, their comments ( I think of this day and night it is a torment of my mind and soul! ) Some fought every day to stay clean.It is not a sin to be tempted, only when you act on the problem.
Lust comes as a leagion straight from Hell, or let us say the Army of Satan, they need not rest or sleep and they battle around the clock to win.Spitirtual things no man can’t fight alone, only God can help this endeaver.
But one has to help his or her self to fight a good fight of faith, not to give in to the battle of Lust.
We all fight differently, the old saying about everyone has to carry their own cross, and this is so true.
The greater a wittness for Jesus the harder the battle from the enemies camp, and it is real folk’s.
What happened to going to the alter everyday and reaching out to God.Old time folk’s went down to the Church and took the time to pray. As a child I can remember going with my Aunts and they called prayer time, praying through to the Holy Ghost. I didn’t understand as a child what they meant, but now I do.
You pray till you are delivered of all that satan throws at you.Then God is up front in your life at all times.



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Joanne Brokaw

posted September 18, 2008 at 12:37 pm


Greenman, I know I’ll take heat for this, but I agree with you.
The more I read the Bible, the more I realize what I don’t know about God, and I understand that He’s so much bigger than a book and whatever our human minds contrive. I know it sounds like a goofy argument, but I’ve been more convicted lately to not eat pork or shellfish than anything else as I’ve been reading the Bible in a year. I think when God convicts us of something, and we ignore it, that’s a worse sin than choosing not to make a federal case about someone else’s sin. If that makes sense. I feel like I need to repent every time I have a shrimp. Seriously! I’m not trying to make light of the situation.
As I read the Bible this year I’ve found myself confused and sometimes angry and thinking, “What in the world did God mean about THAT?” More questions than answers, and rather than question my faith, it’s stronger, as I realize how much I don’t know or understand about the God who created the universe. I shouldn’t be able to understand it all!
The Christian faith is about so much more than homosexuality and abortion, and sin comes in so many more forms that God is concerned about, that while I can agree on what is sin I have a really hard time pointing out someone else’s when I have so much to consider in my own life. I really believe the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, and he’s starting with me.
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Darita Marquez

posted September 18, 2008 at 12:45 pm


Just as heterosexuals must deal with lustful feelings by prayer and denial, so must people who have homosexual feelings. Embracing the gay lifestyle is giving into the temptation. Paul talked about celibacy. Maybe that’s the best way to go. Ray Boltz is such a gifted musician that I know God has had His hand on this man’s life. We make way too much out of sex. It’s all around us, in almost all secular conversations and entertainment. Sometimes we have to step up to the plate and be bigger than our “feelings”.



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Brian

posted September 18, 2008 at 12:57 pm


I have always been taught either believe all the Bible or none at all. If that’s the case then I have to believe what Paul said in Romans 1 is true.
My problem with Ray Boltz is that he believes he was born that way. There is no evidence ever proven to show that we are born that way. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for giving in to their lusts.
Yes, I am a Christian. I also like the music of Ray Boltz. I also used to believe I was a homosexual. God delivered me from my thought patterns that caused me to think that I was.



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Bert Saraco

posted September 18, 2008 at 1:43 pm


To inject a somewhat lighter note….
I’m currently wrestling with this question:
Isn’t the biggest sin here really the lyrics to “Thank You?”
I sincerely doubt that there will be line of people in Heaven waiting to thank me for dropping money in an offering plate. I never did really ‘get’ that song. Personally, I’ll be in line waiting to see Someone else.
(forgive the former typo – same message, though)



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Laura

posted September 18, 2008 at 2:02 pm


Joanne,
You may find Philip Yancey’s book Reaching for the Invisible God. He too wrestled with understanding God and His Word. You may find confirmation, consolation and/or encouragement in your journey by reading the book. I understand your struggle. We all want to understand Who we are following (God) and What we need to do to press on in our Christian life. 2 Peter 1:3 tells us that God has given us everything we need for life and godliness. In our hearts, we know right from wrong; in fact, Romans tells us that the law is written on our hearts. You need to search the scriptures to determine what you believe and why you believe it. Knowledge leads to understanding which leads to wisdom or application. It is the greatest problem in Christianity today. Most Christians can not back up what they believe with scripture or they manipulate scripture to say what they want it to say. We do what we want to do and we want everyone to be ok with it. As Christians, we should not be judgemental, but we must be discerning. Otherwise, we are led away by every wind of doctrine. Write your questions down on paper;then, search the scriptures to eliminate doubt or confusion. May God bless you on your journey.



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David

posted September 18, 2008 at 2:27 pm


Ok, I used to listen to ray boltz, dc talk, steven curtus chapman and other christian artists…. I know for a fact that each one of them have sinned in the eyes of God. How can we say we still can’t listen to Ray Boltz anymore. Are you saying that you are perfect? God specifically talks about this when he says in Matthew 7:3-5, “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” If anything, we need to listen to his music more because God is the only one that is going to be glorified in this circumstance!



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deryck

posted September 18, 2008 at 2:47 pm


3 requests of for those responding to this story: 1. will you folks stopp referring to the sodom and gommorah story as one of homosexuality? 2. will you please stop just reading the bible and taking it literally, and 3. will you please take the time to objectively study the scriptures. then and only then will you discover some or any of the truths that exist within this limited insight into you god is only in the bible, and finally 4. only your personal relationship with jesus–not the bible! can determine where and who god is today in the lives of believers, not christians!



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Kizzy

posted September 18, 2008 at 3:47 pm


O-K, deryck!!



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Dave Weiss

posted September 18, 2008 at 3:52 pm


My big problem here is to my mind to be married 33 years and raise children and then come out is the height of selfishness to my mind. This is an area where my heart is hard. To me this is not at all different than if I decided after 33 years of marriage that some 20 year old girl is hot and dump it all for her.
THAT is the problem I have. No one said you get to crap on everyone else just bc you want to be happy
(That should be the title of a book. So will I ever listen to him again. Probably not. Not because he’s gay but because he’s kind of a jerk. If my parents could hold it together anyone can hold it together.



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Shirley

posted September 18, 2008 at 4:43 pm


WOW, this news has knocked me off my chair. I have to say wow aagin. Would have never expected this about Ray Boltz in my life. I am not God , so I can’t judge him. It is not for me to say. I can only say that my KJ Bible says this is wrong in God’s eyes and I believe what God says. But as far a listeneing to his songs anymore, I feel I would listen to the songs different now. I pray he will be at peace with himself and especially God. Cause God is all that matters. But one thing for sure, he is an awesome singer. I wish him and his family the best.



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melanie

posted September 18, 2008 at 5:46 pm


I agree that Boltz’s decision to “come out” shold not be given a public platform. To pat him on the head and say “that’s ok, we all sin” is not enough, because he is choosing to continue in his sin! His strong compulsion to engage in homosexuality is no different thatn our innate tendencies to lie, steal, cheat, lust, etc. Every day we have to CHOOSE not to do those things, and that task is Boltz’s to do as well.
One commentary said that other Christian musicians have sinned and we still listen to them. It is because they have repented from the sin they have confessed! Even if they repeat the sin out of weakness, they will be convicted by it and ask forgiveness and turn away from it, or their testimony will be damaged more each time. Again,Boltz continues in this sinful practice and has found a “church” that has chosen to exempt that particular sin from the list of acts that God despises. It is one more example of the watering down of the gospel, the situational ethics of today’s society, and the increasingly blurred line between the world and the body of Christ.
Love the sinner but hate the sin.
One more thing….Someone named Deryk is imploring us to “stop taking the Bible literally” so we can get to the truth. God help that guy, the Bible IS the truth, and being selective or philosophical in our approach to the scriptures is dangerous ground indeed.
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Joyce Corcione

posted September 18, 2008 at 6:53 pm


I am completely devastated by this news. I have loved Ray Boltz for a long time. I believe I have all of his CD’s. I believe just as Melanie said, the Bible is God’s word and what God says is true. I know that anyone can be forgiven for all sins, except blasphemy of the Holy Spirt, if they truly repent. God does loves us all, but he does not love homosexuality. I agree that he has hurt his family after 33 years and children. He needs to turn from his ways and put his whole trust in Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Christ did not go to the cross for nothing. He paid the price for our sins.



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Anonymous

posted September 18, 2008 at 7:01 pm


Hey,
This is for Derek, some of the Bible is to be taken literally, some is historical, some is poetry and some is analogy… We need to understand the intent of the author, it always needs to be looked at in context of the time and of the book it is in. But nowhere in scripture does it in any way say homosexuality is not a sin or condones it. With that said we have in no way the rite to hate or beat down people for there sin. Sin should sadden us it should break our hearts because when we choose our sin over God we choose to live a life outside the will of God. This doesnt make homosexualy more evil than the regular sinner, the problem is when we take our identity from our sin and not from our savior! There is no acurate interperation of scripture that would condone homosexuality.



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Willie E. Ferrell Jr.

posted September 18, 2008 at 7:18 pm


I pray that GOD will touch his heart and he will repent and be restored to fellowship!!



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allen

posted September 18, 2008 at 7:52 pm


well when someone like Ray or anyone in the poblic eye who clames to Love the Lord does this it hurts and drives people away from Jesus people do not come to Jesus because of this



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Anonymous

posted September 18, 2008 at 9:11 pm


I can’t beleive what I am reading. God does love everyone but he gives a choice as to how we live our life and that is how we will be judged on justment day. The bible is very plain on the sin of Homeosexuality. God distroyed Sodom and Gamorrah for this. You can’t live in sin and make it to heaven. To hide behind false religion is also a sin. God help him is my prayer.



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Randy Martinez

posted September 19, 2008 at 1:14 am


In I Corinthians 6:9, it clearly states homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Jesus also made it perfectly clear you are either hot or cold, sheep or goat. To justify a sin, is only justifying a personal desire created by satan. It does not matter what one comes up with in their mind as to “because it feels right”. You are hell bound no matter what the sin when it is against God’s will. Never build your house on sand. In other words do not open your heart and mind to sin,… you will not win God’s Kingdom or Jesus.
I have personal performed several of Ray Boltz’s songs. I truly believe the words were created by God. And the message behind them can help draw in the spirit of God. I wish Ray would acknowledge the same. My heart truly goes out to everyone. TRY TO IMAGINE ALL THE TEARS.



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James

posted September 19, 2008 at 7:18 am


In response to Allen:
I would challenge you to enumerate those whom you know to have been driven from Jesus by news of this nature. Certainly I can name three people personally known to me who actually returned to the Lord by the witness of seeing Him active in the life of a Christian who happens to be gay.
One thing that definitely does drive people on the fringes of faith further away from God is witnessing His people publicly turning on one of their own like some feeding-frenzy of faith. People outside the faith find that more repulsive than learning that there are Christians who are gay. You want to help lead people – gay AND straight – away from God? Just keep on doing what you’re doing.



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John Sanders

posted September 19, 2008 at 8:07 am


James,
I am sure your examples are accurate but you can’t ignore the hypocrisy in a man that spoke publicly through his music for Christ all those years while hiding his homosexuality. Hypocrisy destroys the witness of Christian all the time, it doesn’t strengthen it.
Christian music suffers through tragedies like this all the time. The artists are role models for their listeners good or bad. That is just the way it is. So when a role model falls, their witness falls with them. It is clear homosexuality is wrong in the eyes of Christians with the exception of a small liberal group of them. So Ray’s witness was shattered. This has happened to many Christian artists over the years. Some have redeemed their witness, others haven’t.
As someone in the Christian media, I have chosen not to cover this story or anything to do with Ray from now on because I want to protect the witness of Christian music as a whole. But that doesn’t mean my media outlet wouldn’t accept Ray back into the fold if he were to repent and make his witness good again. Some might call that judgmental but I must protect the witness of and the patrons of the media outlet that I support.



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Joanne Brokaw

posted September 19, 2008 at 9:27 am


John,
You’ve talked several times now about your association with Christian media. What Christian media are you associated with? Since you keep saying it, I think you ought to be honest and tell us.
A blog like this, obviously, isn’t the place for indepth Bible study or to help anyone with counseling. But Ray Boltz went public with his story. No one outed him – and there are people in the industry who have known about this for a couple of years. So it’s a legitimate time to discuss the issue, and it makes sense in a forum about Christian music.
I’m sure Ray Boltz knew his private life would be laid bare, and it was brave of him to do so. (Just as brave as my readers thought Michael Guglielmucci was for confessing his two year deceict and 16 year porn addiction, I might add.) Whatever you think about it, Boltz has given us a chance to discuss the issue openly, rather than burying our heads in the sand, or flinging around verses and picketing in front of TV cameras.
If only one gay person reads this, and understands that Christianity isn’t only what he/she sees on TV, and learns that no matter where his is in his life God loves him, created him in HIs image, and wants a personal relationship with him that’s for eternity, then I’m thrilled that God allowed us the chance to discuss this. In the end, the glory goes to God, not those of us in the media.
Joanne
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Grace

posted September 19, 2008 at 10:01 am


Since we were supposed to be talking about music — I think it should be noted that Ray Boltz stated in that article that he took himself out of the music community. He acted responsibly there. He also says he doesn’t plan a return to Christian music. So, in no disrespect to Ray, he’s not relevant to today’s music industry. When was Thank You around — 15 years ago? I think it would be safe to say that 95% of today’s Christian music fan have no idea who he is. So, his role in the industry doesn’t seem to be an issue at all in my opinion!



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Grace

posted September 19, 2008 at 10:13 am


One other thought — aren’t the people that are supposed to be getting in Ray’s face those that are in direct fellowship with him? Doesn’t the scripture (sorry I don’t have the specific book/reference at my fingertips) lay-out how a Christian is to be dealt with if they are living in public sin? God is pretty smart when he set that up — He knew the love of a public lynching and instead showed us how to properly help a brother. So, let the discussion about homosexuality go on all day — but the public bashing of Ray — it should stop.



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Anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 10:53 am


Judith
The devil is a liar. I love you Ray Boltz and I will continue to pray that you will find back your way. Your ministry is strong therefore the devil will come at you much harder than me. Lord have mercy on us because we are deep in sin amen.



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Eliot Lugo

posted September 19, 2008 at 11:27 am


You stated, “I don’t think anyone goes to hell (whether that’s an eternal fire or an eternal separation from God) because they’re gay. I think that’s determined by our relationship with Jesus and whether or not we’ve accepted that gift of salvation. I have deep compassion for gays; I have close family members and dear friends who are gay, and I know that God loves them all. I don’t feel it’s an “us vs. them” argument. But how it all fits into the Christian church? I don’t have a clue.”
What I believe has to bearing on truth. Yes, God loves everyone, even gays and lesbians, but the Bible, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, teaches that this is a sin and a person who gas accepted the gift of salvation in the past cannot continue in sin and make it to heaven. Salvation is much more than an event that took place in the past; it is a process that starts with justification, continues on with sanctification, and ends up in glorification. The Bible states that liars will go to the lake of fire. Can a liar keep on lying and make it to heaven? How can a liar a good relationship with God while he continues lying? How can God allow someone into heaven if a person, after knowing the truth, continues practicing sin? Read the book of Hebrews, especially chapter 6 and 10.



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Evangelist Sharon

posted September 19, 2008 at 11:43 am


The bible clearly states we are to love the sinner and hate the sin. The bible also clearly states that homosexuality is a abomination and that all homosexuals and a long list of other sins would end up in the lake of fire. God did not create Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve, He created male and female, and no God is not gonna give Ray Boltz or anybody else peace with the issue of homosexuality or any other sin. We must humble ourselves and repent and turn from our wicked ways. He will or anybody else who practices sin will ever be at peace. I will be praying for Ray as I do and repent for this world and its sin like I do everyday and pray that God heal our land. I am a Evangelist and Gospel singer and I sing some of Ray’s ongs and I will continue to sing them cause God uses these songs to touch people. God said he would take what the devil intended for evil and use it for good and He has and He will. God’s Mercy: Evangelist Sharon



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ML Weller

posted September 19, 2008 at 1:18 pm


This hits close to home. One of my mentors in worship arts just came out and decided he would divorce his wife and live a gay lifestyle. This was a hard blow to all of us who studied with him. The ministry he began (which he had passed the baton off to his protege long before this) openly denounced his choice. All of us were stunned and not sure what to do. Several of us dialogued for weeks as we struggled with this. Our biggest question was about the validity of his teaching now that we know he was gay.
As my mom said, “truth is truth”. His teachings of the past (and likewise, Ray’s music) should not be discounted simply because the instrument God used to show these truths has now fallen in our eyes. Even knowing that Ray has confessed to being homosexual, how many of us could honestly say his music doesn’t move us anymore? “Watch the Lamb” as sung by Ray and performed as a mime by my mentor still brings me to tears. There are some other emotions there now, but the power of the message is still there.
We are continuing to pray for our prodigal brothers in Christ as they and their families struggle. We cannot forget the families and those closest to them, because I’m sure they are hurting too.



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Anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 2:51 pm


Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor £homosexuals, nor sodomites, or thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power.
Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not! Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.”£ But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your £body and in your spirit, which are God’s.



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mkay

posted September 19, 2008 at 4:54 pm


It’s a sad thing for Ray Boltz’s family and for him. The Bible plainly speaks out against homosexuality. The devil is a deceiver and comes in many forms. The homosexual community likes to convince themselves that living the gay lifestyle is ok because God made me that way. Well, God didn’t make them that way but He did give all of us freedom to choose whom this day who we will serve. We can’t serve two masters! Apparently, Ray has made his choice and it definitely is not Go. I pray that the Holy Spirit show Ray the error of his way.



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Bob Meisner

posted September 19, 2008 at 7:16 pm


A pro-gay theology seeks to redefine homosexuality as being God ordained and morally permissible.
This is not a profession of victory in a believers life rather it carries the tune of one who has learned to accept and even celebrate his sexual orientation as another of God’s gifts and is looking to his peers, fan base and even the “church” to accept him along with his chosen lifestyle as an inevitable reality.
My message to the homosexual, adulterer, fornicator, child molester, liar, thief, etc., this may be what you have done but it should not determine nor define who you are. We all struggle against sin but we don’t give in to it.
What I don’t hear from our church leaders is a brokenness of heart over persons and practices like these that are clearly forbidden. In 2 Tim 4:3-4 Paul predicts an abandonment of truth for the sake of personal fulfillment.
As Ambassadors of the Kingdom of Heaven I pray that we would represent the King of kings well. In our ministry of reconciliation, confronting becomes necessary. There is a pro-gay theology asking us to recognize the Christian’s homosexual practices as acceptable even when God has so clearly deemed them as a source of pain.
The tensions of mercy are great.
I believe God has some simple solutions to our very complicated lives. We convince ourselves of this lie – that to face or deal with the pain/sin is more difficult than allowing it to remain. We then further convince ourselves that if we live in this chaos we will eventually live without the pain – and it just won’t happen.
In humility and love for the Bride of Christ may we live as those betrothed to the King.
The World is watching and hoping for the Gospel to be true. So I pray – In my life, Lord Jesus, show yourself BIG – I want to be free!



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Brett

posted September 19, 2008 at 7:51 pm


Sorry, but your views of gay are flawed. Gays do go to hell as noted by the Bible verse that as noted above. The Bible says Do not be Deceived, a homosexual will not enter in heaven. God destroyed Sodam & Gommorrah. When God sent Angels to tell Lot to get out of these cities, the men in the city that Lot was staying lusted after the male angels. This is clearly wrong. The Bible also states that man shall not laydown with man as woman kind. Leviticus 18:22.
If a gay person can’t laydown their lifestyle & pick up their cross, they are not saved. Once saved it is about serving Jesus not our own lustful flesh urges. The gays try to explain they are born that way. That is not true. If that were the case then liars, pedophiles, thiefs & others are born that way also.



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Angel

posted September 19, 2008 at 10:47 pm


I think the sad thing is that there is a fine line between acknowledging sin and being willing to commit to repenting from it and acknowledging sin and then using it for “God’s glory”. God is never glorified when we go against His will and His word. I am a sinner, just like the rest of the human population, but when I acknowledge what I do that keeps me away from God, I don’t want to continue in that. I want to run from it with all that I am.
I will be praying for Mr. Boltz as he can influence a lot of people with this news. I feel horrible for his family and especially his wife.
I appreciate the person above who just listed scripture to answer the questions about what God says. Why is it that the church and society have to reword what God says. He defines things out so clearly. I am just so saddened.



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Marion

posted September 20, 2008 at 12:35 am


I too would pray for Ray Boltz. I have liked many of his songs. It is a sad thing that he believes he can be gay and a christian. I don’t need to repeat the Bible verses that have already been given in these comments. They are all true. The one thing I will add is that when Ray says, or anyone else says that God made them that way, is not true. If it were true then God would have created Adam and Steve, not Adam and Eve. He created man in His image… and God created he him; male and female; (Genesis 1:26-27); and made woman to be a help mete for man, (Genesis 2:18). I continue to like Ray Boltz’s songs, but I do pray that he truly seeks God for deliverance, or as mentioned above he will not enter the kingdom of Heaven. Yes God loves everyone, it is the sin that God hates. He died for the sinners. We are all sinners, but when we choose to live for God and follow His commandments and statutes He laid out in His Word. “It says in His Word, ‘…by grace are ye saved…”(Ephesians 2:5). We have to choose who we live for, God or Satan. In Matthew 6:24 it tells us that “No man can serve two masters…”. Let’s keep Ray and others like him in prayer, we cannot judge him. I hope this would encourage him to see the truth and not feel condemned by people, but be convicted by God who is the only one if Ray and others choose to let God help them.



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Iris

posted September 20, 2008 at 9:42 am


What a hyprocitical response. Does god not teach us to love all as we would be love. To not judge others. I have a mother who after 26 years of marriage admitted to her children and her family that she is a lesbian. She has always felt this way even as a child but because the norm for society when she was growing up was to graduate from school, get married, and have a family that is what she did. No she does not regret any of it but admits that she felt trapped by her feelings for many years. My mother was a devout christian when I was growing up, and even wanted to be a minister. She knows the bible from front to back. Yes I admit that when she first told me and the family about her sexual orientation I was completely shocked and overwhelmed. I felt that everything she taught me about being a women and relationships were lies. But after thinking about it and praying to god about it I realized it isn’t the end of the world. I would rather have my mother happy and loved that to live her life alone and miserable for the rest of her life. God has blessed her greatly with a loving companion and a family who loves her even despite her orientation. I believe she will not go to hell for her orientation because does it not say in the bible that love concours all sins. It is hard to think that our God would punish someone for just loving another. You cannot stop a heart from loving.
P.S. Just because someone is gay or lesbian that does not make them a child molester. I take offens to the response posted that puts the gays/lesbians in the same category as muderers, molesters, ect. If you would get to know a gay or lesbian you would see that that is not true the too despise those to commit crimes against children. So practice what the bible says and quit judging others. I am sure each of us does something that is an abomination to god. For instance to you follow that ten commandments for word for word?



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John Sanders

posted September 20, 2008 at 4:45 pm


Joanne,
I work in the Christian music media industry just as you. We both impact a large amount of people with our content. You have chosen to cover a story I haven’t. Which is fine, you have a right to publish what you want, as do I. Unfortunately, you brought your confusion (as you stated) into the mix as well. Now you say that your story will help those who are gay ‘understand’ Christians?
You wrote: If only one gay person reads this, and understands that Christianity isn’t only what he/she sees on TV, and learns that no matter where his is in his life God loves him, created him in HIs image, and wants a personal relationship with him that’s for eternity, then I’m thrilled that God allowed us the chance to discuss this. In the end, the glory goes to God, not those of us in the media.
That ‘sounds’ great but your logic if flawed. Ray was a huge icon to Christian music for many years. What Ray has done for his witness and the witness of Christianity by coming ‘out’ is beyond horrible. You don’t seem to want to admit that. It would have been better had he kept it private for the rest of his life even if he would repent of his sin. The world didn’t need to know this. The world has enough reasons to reject God, they don’t need more confirmation of their current mindset. Those who have chosen to make this story even more ‘known’ are fooling themselves if they are ‘thrilled’ God allowed us to discuss it.
God can use bad situations for his good. That is where we can find some common ground. Maybe He could use it to make light of this current evil trend of ‘accepting’ a Christian gay community. Love the sinner, hate their sin (not accept it).



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Wayne

posted September 20, 2008 at 6:33 pm


This most recent “coming out” of a Christian is most disheartening especially since it is someone who has touched so many hearts through his music. Scripture clearly teaches that homosexuality/lesbianism is sin. All sin is a personal choice. I’m saddened that Ray has chosen this path for his life. Romans 1 clearly states that the “un-natural use” of our human bodies is the result of men suppressing the truth in unrighteousness, not glorifying Him as God, not being thankful, having our thoughts become futile and our foolish hearts being darkened. The progression is that men (and women) changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man. It is also clear that homosexuality, lesbianism, and , I might add, any other abnormal sexual behaviors are the work of a spirit of uncleanness.
There is nothing clean about sexual behaviors that are outside of that which is normal for a healthy married heterosexual male and female couple. We do need to be careful about judging people who come out of the closet and claim to be Christian. Not because we are judging them regarding homosexuality or lesbianism, these have already been judged by God and declared to be abominations, but because we open ourselves up for our sexual behaviors to also be judged. Really there is little difference between a young lady and man who are not married but carrying on sexual behaviors with each other and the homosexual. Both are gross misconducts of Christianity. Just as appalling as Mr Boltz is the acceptance of the church of people making babies without the covering of marriage. It is a plague in the American church and is quickly becoming the dirty little secret nobody wants to talk about.
What measuring stick we use to judge we must know that that same stick will be used our way one day. This is why we must take a stand against these kinds of “coming out” announcements but then also take a look in our own closets to insure that our lives are clean. Mr Boltz needs prayer and deliverance as does the body of Christ because we have been way to silent on these sexual issues for far too long. Sin is sin and should be shunned not glossed over in order to avoid offense. It is great love to advise a brother or sister they are in dangerous waters when they begin to flirt with any kind of sin, not judgement.



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Rick

posted September 21, 2008 at 1:35 pm


God’s love is unconditional, but His judgment is inescapable. True, there is nothing we can do to make Him not love us… nothing can separate us from His love, but sin always has and always will cause separation between us and God! According to God’s word, homosexuality IS sin(!), but so are greed, over eating, and many other things. Anyone can live their own little (or big) lie for so long that they begin to believe that they can continue to sin and God will “wink” at their sin, and one day let them into heaven. It won’t work that way!!! We can’t live a sinful lifestyle and justify it because of God’s unfailing love for us. He has power, inexhaustilbe power to deliver us from the grip of sin… power for us to “go and sin no more!”



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elizabeth

posted September 21, 2008 at 2:14 pm


i am so hurt, i cry out to god for you. How could u let him down like this , to me you just spit in his face. Look what he did for you, and how did you repay him, by blessing the devils lust for your soul. Ray you were on the battlefield and you lost. You are going to be responsable for a lot of souls that might fall for your carless life you lived. May god have mercy on your soul .I do pray for you as we all should, you will never be happy in the arms of the devil!



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Brenda

posted September 21, 2008 at 2:38 pm


Well God help us if we accept this. We are not to hate gay people but we all need to understand that their actions are not a way of life it is SIN pure and simple. Just read the Bible it is very clear and it is time people wake up and start reading it and living it. Just look at how totally immoral this country has become in the last few years. If people spent half the time reading and studying God’s word as they do watching and reading sex and porn,there would be more Godly MEN and WOMEN and more children growing up in two parent homes with respect for themselves and others. It is not just a matter of a person “choosing to be gay” it is also all the hurt they do to their families and others who expected them to be living the God-like life they were representing in their singing or whatever they were doing.
The devil is alive and well and attacking family values by every means he can find and this movement is yet another one. It just lets me know our Lord’s coming is sooner than we think cause I know He must be looking down and thinking how much longer can He let people take what He created and make a fool out of it. Ray, I pray you get help and repent of this. I feel so sorry for the family that had to go through this. The unsaved are just sitting and waiting for things like this to happen and son you jumped right in and insulted the integerity of our God. If he had intended you to be gay he would not have made you in His image.



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Larry

posted September 21, 2008 at 3:08 pm


The question was asked should we care about the personal life of Christian artist. Of course we should. You don’t go give money to the church of satan and expect them to go out and win converts for Christ. When you go out and take Christian’s money and portray youeself as a “Christian artist” then act like one–not some Sodom and Gomorrah wannabe!
P.S. The churches Ray has aligned himself with have decided to omit the sin of homosexuality in order to justify their sinful lifestyle. READ THE BOOK–THE WHOLE BOOK! Just in case you are from the metropolitan church THE BOOK is THE BIBLE.



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Doc Scott

posted September 21, 2008 at 3:32 pm


Ray Boltz For President………………..of Sodom. Sign of the times, a departing of the faith. There’s still hope. Pray. I had a former friend who came out of the closet, and seven years later died of AIDS. My friend repented, and prayed to receive Jesus 2 months before he died. He spent the remaining 2 months studying the Bible.
This I do know. Satan is using demons to put thoughts and images in peoples minds, and we need to hunker down in our faith and stay busy with church, God’s Word, Christian fellowship, prayer, fasting, and Christian service.



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Adam

posted September 21, 2008 at 6:02 pm


There are so many aspects of this discussion that give me cause for concern. I guess it’s nice to know that so many people know at least a few verses from Genesis, Leviticus, Romans, and I Corinthians. Knowing what the Bible says is actually fundamental to living a Biblical lifestyle.
The English word “homosexual” was created in the 1890s, and came from the natural sciences and the beginnings of psychoanalysis. What seems to be lacking in the current discussion is the distinction between “orientation” and “behavior.” What is also lacking is an understanding of how our modern Western society has deviated greatly from a genuine Biblical worldview.
What about the fact that in the Bible, the majority of kisse have transpired between members of the same sex? What about David’s eulogy of Saul and Jonathan in II Samuel 1? What about the admonition to “greet one another with a holy kiss”?
I don’t believe these passages support homosexual behavior, but the mores of our current society have created a sense of homophobia, not a fear of sexually active homosexuals, but a fear that behavior may be perceived as homosexual.
I personally believe that there are multitudes more men in churches today who are struggling with the issues of their sexual orientation (and sexual behavior) who find no quarter in a domineering “believe as we say or else” environment.
Too much for too few words– let me just put one little bit of doggerel out of its misery: yes, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve; but Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel, not Cain and Mabel.



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John Sanders

posted September 21, 2008 at 10:09 pm


Adam,
If you say something long enough, people believe it. Adam, your are repeating the same line(s) as the ‘gay Christian community’ does every day. Infact, do a search on Google for ‘the bible hebrew homosexual’ and you will find site after site saying the same things. Why? because Satan knows that if you say something long enough, people believe it regardless of the source. It might take generations but it happens. It’s why those devoted to radical Islam believe Jews kill arab children for their blood. It’s because they have been told that over and over. The ‘gay Christian community’ is a tool Satan uses to tell their false story over and over. Eventually everyone will just accept it if they are aren’t corrected in every generation. I am happy to see so many here readying to correct them.
‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.’ Leviticus 18:22
‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.’ Leviticus 20:13
Regardless of what word you or I invent for two men or two women lying together, it still means the same thing.
So just because you bring up the ‘party line’ for them, doesn’t mean it has a hint of truth in it.



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Kathymac

posted September 22, 2008 at 12:23 am


Fisrt, my dsclaimers…I am female, Christian, heterosexual and not a fan of Ray Bolz’s music, so don’t assume my comments afe because I am gay, pagan or a fan being defensive.
There are two points this article brought to my mind. First, many people claim they live by an inerrant Scripture. If so, they must live communally, as Jesus and His disciples and actually Paul and the early belivers did. They must also believe that slavery is ordained by God and some are destined to be slaves and be submissive to their masters (see Philemon). If they are following the Old Testament rules set forth in Deuteronomy et al, they must refrain from eating shellfish and wearing mixed-fiber clothing and believe in stoning children for showing disrespect to their parents. Any takers? I thought not–even the most fundamentalist of Christians realize–even if they won’t admit–that we all read and interpret scripture through a set of contemporary beliefs. and that what was culturally true in the first century AD may not be relevant in the 21st century–and that may include our understanding of things like the biological basis for homosexual oreintation (whether or not that means one acts upon it or not–and I can’t believe a God of love would expect a certain percentage of His creatures to ignore and supress their longing to love and be loved by a life partner).
Second–if anyone ever had an opportunity to seek out and benefit from so-called reparative therapy–where one’s sexual orientation is changed–surely it was Mr. Boltz. After all, he was financially comfortable, had the ear of many so-called Christian leaders who would have been glad to give him any aid and help he needed to overcome his “affliction,” had the love of a good wife and supportive children who doubtless would have preferred that he were straight, and certainly had every incentive, in terms of loss of livelihood and reputation, to do so. The fact that despite all the incentives and opportunities, he still dinds that he must acknowledge his status as a gay man and Christion implies to me that, yes, he was born that way, as are nearly all other gay men and lesbians. All the vitriol and hate that fundamentalists can spurt does nothing but cause pain to our brothers and sisters. This is between Mr. Boltz and God.



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Anonymous

posted September 22, 2008 at 8:36 am


Please check out the website exodus.com for freedom in Christ.



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Anonymous

posted September 22, 2008 at 8:52 am


The focus of who we are is irrelevant, the bottom line is we are sinners. We have a fallen nature. Once we come to Christ we are to reconize we are dead to our fallen nature and quick trying to tame it and do what Paul the apostle said, to recon ourselves as dead to sin and on abiding in Christ daily, to allow His nature to rule over us. The apostle Paul said take every thought captive to Christ. Unfortunatly, it’s easier for people to yield to their fallen nature than to abide in Christ. Jesus doesn’t just want us to be saved, he also want’s to be our Lord, which is our owner and controller of every aspect of our lives. It’s time to wake up and ask, is Jesus really my Lord.



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Karean

posted September 22, 2008 at 11:25 am


Aw Aw Aw, what a great disappointment this has been for me. I am a big Ray Blot fan, when I heard the news this morning I was stound, I was literally shocked my jaw drop open. I love all of his songs, they seems to be every so deep. I feel it for him, He his cofuse and need our prayers. He doesn’t need any condemnation from anyone,cause none is worth save God. However, as to him still being connected with CCM and singing gospel, I don’t think it’s right or is it a good idea. If we allow him to represent christians in singing gospel music it would be as if we are condoning with his behaviour. All though we love him, we love God more and his principles are true. One cannot not say they have a relationship with Jesus and becomes a guy/lesbian or any other form. If you have been with Jesus you can never be the same.To know God is to love him and keep his commandments. His principles and standard does not change. God doesn’t compromise to suit anyone. He love the sinner but hate the sin. My word to Ray and all the others who are going through this phase pray, earnestly pray and stay away from the things that will cause you to sin. God loves you and he can help you if and only if you want him to and let him do his work.
I love you Ray, Im sorry about this, Im not sure how it’s going to be for me now and the choice of music I listen to. I thing what we all need to do is let the Holy Spirit guide us to the choice of music that is right to listen to.



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Teresa Dible

posted September 22, 2008 at 4:18 pm


Ray you are on a slippery slop. I have been a christian for twenty five years and the word of God will always be the same. I also had a brother who was gay for thirty seven years contracted AID’s in 1996 who died in Sept 2007. Sin is sin, He repeanted and was a christian for the last thirteen month of his life. In the end he knew the truth. I love you Ray Bolts and will be praying for you to come to the full knowledge of the truth.



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Adam

posted September 22, 2008 at 5:38 pm


In response to Mr. Sanders:
First off, there is no monolithic gay Christian community anymore than there is a (gasp!) monolithic Christian community, as evinced by this comment string.
Secondly, if I want to know what the Bible says about anything, I will not be Googling it. I will be reading THE BOOK ITSELF.
Thirdly, your comment about repeating something until it replaces truth is an apt description of churches who claim to believe in an inerrant Bible, but have no idea what it says.
Remember Deuteronomy?
“And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.”
Your final paragraph said, “Regardless of what word you or I invent for two men or two women lying together, it still means the same thing.” You omitted the qualifier “as a woman” from your reduction of the Biblical text.
Also, please define “lying together.” No more camping trips?
The Bible may be inerrant. Your interpretation of it is not.



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Johnathon

posted September 22, 2008 at 11:27 pm


It has been such a blessing to me that Ray Boltz has come to terms with who God created him to be. I had the opportunity to see him at his Indianapolis concert. His new music is such an amazing testimony. It was also encouraging that his family was there supporting him 100%.



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Anonymous

posted September 23, 2008 at 1:07 pm


It has been a great shock to me. I am going to be praying that God will bring you closer to Him and that in the end you will realize the error of this sin.



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Tom McIntyre

posted September 23, 2008 at 4:50 pm


Ray,
Has sensuality won out in this period of your life? I’m praying that you will miss the closeness and fullness of walking with Jesus so much that you will see the sensuality as a filthy rag in comparison – and I’m sure you will because He won’t let you go. He didn’t let me go. Better fasten you seat belt, though.
In Christ
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Linda

posted September 23, 2008 at 8:17 pm


Ray,
The lyrics you have sung were nothing but lies!!! To so many people, including me, the lyrics sung ministered to us. Jesus is there even in the depths. If He truly called you to be a witness for Him, you will not stay in hell, if you are His child. Jesus spoke against homosexuality and so did God to the Isrealites. How do you think this can be right singing about His love and living in sin!! It is as wrong, against everything God teaches us from before time through eternity, as adultery or fornication. You have succombed to ways of the world, not for the love of Jesus. I pray for your repentance and to know the forgiveness only Jesus can give. He grieves, but He made you and loves you. Come to Him, Press On toward the mark of the goal – Jesus Christ. Fight for the truth in Jesus.



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Sherry

posted September 23, 2008 at 10:38 pm


Well ther bible talks about this very thing… You will be consumed with the lust of the world, It is not hard to see how God feels about Man and Woman… It is in the first book of the Bible….God took man and took out of man a rib and closed up the flesh insteed there of and created a WOMAN… That should let you know that he never intended for man and man or woman and woman to be together, it goes against the plan of God. SO DON’T TELL ME RAY BOLTS THAT GOD MADE YOU THIS WAY, I CAN’T STAND TO HEAR SOMEONE BLAME THEIR SINS ON JESUS!



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Anonymous

posted September 24, 2008 at 2:08 am


I am sadden by what I read. It was only eight years ago, I sat across the table as my husband told me he was gay. So, I know what your wife is going through. I watched my sons as their lives were being torn apart and couldn’t do a thing about it. They have never recovered. If they want to see their father, the partner is in front of their face. I wish there was something good I could say that will come out of this Ray but there isn’t. I speak from experience. I have wept over my husbands pain and for the lie that my husband chose to believe as he was walking out the door to leave his family.
It might feel good for a while but everything gets old and then we need something even greater to gradify the flesh.
God is a life giver. He loves life. Men with men and women with women cannot bring life into this world. This has always been a tool of the ememy and he sits and laughs.
In the last days the word says, “Men will become lovers of themselves rather then lovers of God”. He says, if you love me you will keep my commandments. It requires dying to the flesh. I know you are tired of fighting so I will be praying for you and your family. I know what you all are going through.



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will

posted September 24, 2008 at 10:50 am


What Mr. Boltz has done is not brave, but cowardly. He has given in to the desires of the flesh and decided that it will ease his conscience to hide within a movement that has a high view of fulfilling man’s desires and a very small view of God. I do not doubt for a second that his tendancy toward homosexuality is great; but what he is failing to understand is that God is not only greater than our temptation (1 Cor 10:13), but that He is infinitely more satisfying than any fleshly desire could ever fulfil (Ps. 42). God is satisfying…period. I would suggest that Mr. Boltz is not a converted man, not because of his homosexuality, but because Christ is not sucficient. He would rather fulfil the desires of the flesh (Ga 5:16-17, Eph 2:3, 1Jn 2:16) than to find his satisfaction in Christ alone. This statement goes for anyone who is not gaining victory over the flesh (Rom 8:12-13).
For all of us who profess to know Christ, Let us consider the infinite worth of Christ (Heb 3, Phil 6)



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Jay

posted September 24, 2008 at 10:59 am


Ray, I can’t begin to understand your feelings toward the same sex, but I do know that the Homosexual life style is not what Jesus wants for you. I am so sorry you have had this struggle for so long and not found peace or relief. But the best part about the Christian walk is that we don’t have to give into our feelings that are sinful or wrong. Struggling with those thoughts and feelings makes us human and gives us the opportunity to fully rely on Christ. NEVER is the answer in regards to leaving your family and your covenant of marriage to live a life that you know is sinful in the eyes of God. Breaking the covenant with your family is breaking a covenant with God. You can choose not to act out the homosexual life style. However, if you do decide to live the Homosexual life style, you must step aside from a public life promoting Christian values. God is not two-sided, and you are hurting God by doing such. I pray that you find peace through Christ.



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will

posted September 24, 2008 at 12:07 pm


I meant Philippians 3:1-10



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Bob

posted September 24, 2008 at 3:57 pm


This is not about a choice; it is not about a feeling; it is not about Ray knowing or not knowing Christ. this is about a man created in the image of God, who came to know the Lord as his personal Savior and now
continues to sing and give witness to the Living Christ whom he knows and loves. How dare we begun to say “Ray is not born again, or Ray is in denial, or Christ is not sufficient (when He is) or Ray is blaming his sins on Jesus” sorry but you got it backwards! You are angry because you fear, you feel threatened and now to attack Ray Boltz for something you do not even understand yourselves, is Wrong. Read
John 3:16, …who so ever… will let him come. Ray came and believed, who are we as brothers or sisters, to play judge. Did God call you to be the Judge? I think not. This man will conquer and have victory in his life, not because of negative fear and comments but because of the Christ who walks beside him day by day. So why don’t you ask God to help you pray for victory as Ray ministers to the unsaved.



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Bob

posted September 24, 2008 at 4:12 pm


“…that has a high view of fulfilling man’s
desires and a very small view of God.”
Will, how do you know this? have you ever been to any welcoming church that ministers to the GLBT community? (and there are many more than you know including Baptist, Assemblies, Pentecostal, Methodist).
Until you visit and see the work of the Holy Spirit in people’s lives,
I would suggest waiting to condemn our view of God… mine for example is awesome and large, for God/Christ is my strength, my all, my Rock,
my fortress in the Storms, my Anchor… and this is the view in my church. I am grateful for my salvation and God’s Grace…



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nadia

posted September 24, 2008 at 7:02 pm


the image of aiken holding his baby,as if he is a woman is sick.chistianity is a way of life choices,god gave it to us freely,you choose to be w/the same sex,abomination to the lord you know this,you just choose to do your own thing and the face of aids,and everyother pleasing factor is spread like wildfire.as for brother ray boltz,after all the years pretending husband,father and a man of god,it got to you,lover of yourself,etc.just as the other comments said you fell,we all do fall,but get back up ray,and the rest of you who choose men over women,who birthed you into existence do to no other than the lord of lords,i pray in jesus name for us all to come to ourselves,you will know the relief through his holy power,it will not be bought,you will be free indeed.



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Kathymac

posted September 24, 2008 at 10:31 pm


Nadia,
I don’t understand what you mean when you say it’s “sick” to see Caly Aiken holding his baby as if he is a woman. Do you mean that fathers, whether straight, gay, famous, anonymous, rich, poor, whatever, can’t love and nurture their children as mothers can? The Bible calls God our Father, and Jesus refers to God as his Abba or “daddy.” Surely it is obvious that the love of a father is beneficial to a child.



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Anonymous

posted September 25, 2008 at 12:09 pm


Ro 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
Ro 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.



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Julie

posted September 25, 2008 at 6:28 pm


Thank you for having the courage to NOT blast Ray Boltz. I believe the vast majority of Christians feel closer to the way you express with regard to GLBT Christians than those who would spew hatred and condemnation (many of whom also control the Christian Music Industry). We just need to all stand up to be counted. I will buy every Ray Boltz CD I can find to let him know I still believe in his call and in his ministry. I already have all of Jason & deMarco’s CDs. If each person who has this more loving approach would step up and “vote with their dollars” by buying these artists’ music, there would be a chance for change in the Christian Music Industry – and the world would be a much richer, more loving place because of it. And isn’t that what Jesus taught?



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P.B.

posted September 25, 2008 at 9:59 pm


ray needs 2 meditate upon the words of his song and think twice. as reading the bible taught u nothing? when we rebel against God we are punished and now i am in tears to know that such a powerful man of God who sang such songs of inspiration is ready to give up? God didnot fail u u failed him, the millions u have blessed and most of all your self. God loves u still and he’s saying its not to late 2 com back home.



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Andy

posted September 26, 2008 at 12:20 am


It does not surprise me and these issues are not new ones. I do think it’s interesting (and sad) that people choose to ignore His warnings on the subject. I will say I completely disagree with this statement in the article above:
” I don’t think anyone goes to hell (whether that’s an eternal fire or an eternal separation from God) because they’re gay.”
Then you don’t believe the words of God (1 Cor. 6:9-10). I’m not saying that you will die perfect, God knows I won’t, but to call SIN normal or a lifestyle, well…I’m not that brave. I have to call a spade a spade. It’s SIN! Sin to the flesh is enjoyable but we can’t just give in to it. You have to fight!
Get up Ray! Repent! And let it be your ministry! I do pray for him. And as always, we hate the sin but we love the sinner.



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Renee Hammarstrom

posted September 26, 2008 at 9:46 am


WOW!!! My heart is saddened. His music was beautiful and inspiring. He certainly had a gift from God. I will be praying for Mr. Boltz.
I cannot refute the scripture – homosexuality is a sin and must be dealt with. I believe it is a demonic spirit that comes upon people and needs to be cast out by believers just as Jesus did. Mr. Boltz could be set free from this spirit if he desires to be. I think that would be the greater testimony. To be delivered of the demonic spirit of homosexuality and be reunited with his wife and family and then continue his music ministry. This depicts the Jesus that I know and love and serve daily. Hallelujah to His Holy Name!!!!



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Joanne Brokaw

posted September 26, 2008 at 10:09 am


Andy, since a relationship with Jesus and an acceptance of the gift of salvation is the key to eternal life, then I stand by my statement that being gay doesn’t send anyone to hell. Not accepting the gift of salvation, and having a relationship with Jesus, is what God wants from us.
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Gerry

posted September 26, 2008 at 11:40 am


to the editor: If u say having a relationship with God is the requirement to going to heaven, would that not mean following what He says as well, should that not also be in His laws as well, when i read your article i was just wondering what does a relationship with God really mean, we are not to be like the pharisees and make the law supreme, but we are to follow them as God says. We are follow Jesus’s example and love everyone but as andy said if u read the verse he quoted it says, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”



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Joanne Brokaw

posted September 26, 2008 at 3:56 pm


Gerry, our salvation is not dependent on our works.
Yes, we need to obey the law, and while sin continues to interfere with our relationship with God, and keeps us from enjoying blessings, etc. it does not take away our salvation. Some denominations do believe that you can lose your salvation. I don’t subscribe to that.
I’m actually reading Galations right now (reading the Bible in a year) and spent a lot of time mulling over yesterday’s reading on faith, the law, and works. I don’t have all the answers. But we could have a whole other discussion about law. Do you eat pork? Shellfish? Catfish? Only meat that is killed by kosher standards? Follow all of the old testament law?
My comment wasn’t about the law, but about faith and grace, and the gift of salvation. “For God so loved the world, that he sent his only son that whosoever believes in him will not perish but have ternal life.” No law there. The law comes after.
Just my thoughts.
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Chris

posted September 27, 2008 at 9:18 am


while i agree with those stating that salation is not dependent on works we ust look at the true nature of hooseuality and what it truly is…a lie.
If we get to the root of this sin, we will find that it begins when the seed of a lie is planted because of trauma, shift in the family structure, or lack of emotional connection to a parent. Because of these, a seed is planted, usually in childhood, and is germinated by our insecurities and self-worth issues that develop from that, until we finally give into the lie after not recognizing the root of the lie.
Now, while it is a lie, it is not a sin until it is accepted as a way of living, thinking or behaving. I have personally seen lives changed by the renouncing of this lie coupled with the great power of Christ at work in a life, and have seen true and lasting freedom come to these that choose to believe what Christ has said is possible, rather than the lie.
I believe Ray Boltz has simply chosen the easier way out; to believe the lie. I have been hurt deep in my heart by this, and am moved to pray for him and his family. It is not too late for Ray to turn around, and we can never refuse him that chance, but the choice is truly Ray’s.



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David

posted September 27, 2008 at 12:27 pm


Joanne,
While I’m overjoyed that you’re reading the Bible through in a year, (something that more Christians should do) I’m wondering whether or not you’ve overlooked obvious biblical facts in your devotions. Also, I’m not sure where you’re going with the law and grace comments, it was kind of a ramble.
Now to sound like an absolute FUNDY, filled with hate against God’s creation.
Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? It wasn’t because they were inhospitable to their guests. HAHA that’s such a joke, there is absolutely no biblical evidence for that, read the Hebrew. What did God’s law say in the OT about homosexuals? Put them to death….hhhmmm Ooohhh wait, I know, we’re not supposed to focus on that because of the grace thing, ok ok. So let’s warp speed to the NT and see what God says in Romans 1. WOW, still the same feelings, except now because the government isn’t controlled by the religion, (I wish I could develop this thought more as I’m sure some people will reply to this quote with a seperation of church and state comment, but that’s not what it means) punishment by death is not the answer anymore in this temporal life. (What’s the real issue? Salvation comes by grace through faith, so we need to constantly GROW in Christ after salvation, not choose what we want to do, but follow what Christ wants for us) Here’s the final question.
Just because people who choose to be gay (yes I believe it’s a choice) are not stoned anymore (and I just want to make it clear that I don’t desire to see anyone put to death over this, I’m simply referring to an OT standard, I love gay people) does not mean that God looks at the sin any differently. It’s a sin that God calls an abomination, Romans 1. Can you be a Christian and choose to be gay? Well…I don’t think you’d have much peace or joy in your life as you would be under constant conviction from the Holy Spirit, (Hebrews) but people choose to be carnal in other aspects that drive them away from their heavenly Father too so I won’t judge. I do not agree with you, Joanne, about your ramble. It’s still sin, and it still separates you from having a deep, personal, intimate relationship with Jesus Christ.
One final thought, WOW this note is longer than I wanted, I grew up listening to Ray Boltz and have many of his songs memorized. I love his music and the message that is in it. I am saddened to hear of the choice that he has made and will pray that he will turn back to his Savior.



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Jiovanne

posted September 28, 2008 at 11:04 am


This is an Emergent way of thought. The Bible clearly states that efeminate and gay individuals will not “inherent the kingdon of heaven.” I don’t think it becomes clearer than that. Stop putting your personal spin on the issue.



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Jim Trimble

posted September 28, 2008 at 12:51 pm


First of all let me state that I love his messages in his songs. Now, however I have to wonder how sincere the artist was and while I know that God has used his voice to further his Kingdom, now Satan has used his voice to further his. Is this what we want as Christians?, to further Satans kingdom?
I am not trying to judge. I am only looking at the painting that Ray Boltz just painted for us. He had a tremendous responsibility that he accepted in fame and fortune and along with that he prospered. I wonder if he would have struggled with “Coming Out” if he was poor like many of us and would have stayed silented until he make more money from us through music sales and Church appearances and Concerts. Makes you wonder!!!
IF you POSSIBLY believe that there is room in God’s Kingdom for a Christian Church for Gay people then you are sorely mistaken and you are actively doing Satan’s work as long as you are in that belief.
Is there a Christian Church for practicing Mass Murders who keep on killing people? Is there a active Christian Church for practicing Rapist who are practicing on a scheduled basis? NO,then do not deceive yourself in believing that their is a Gay Church that does Gods work….What..do they support Gay Parade marches? Do they support the breakdown of the family? Why did Ray Boltz wait so long to come out? Let me see…..He already deceived his fans out of so much money and notoriety and fame by waiting. Also, he waited till his kids were older so that they would not suffer the pain and humiliation of his selfish sin. That tells you right there folks that this is not from God and NEVER will be.
Just because you start your own Churches that have the word Christian in them, to make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, does not mean Christ is actually part of your church. People with the same sin gather together to try and falsely support each other with number…..WOW, if you get enough sinners together then you will then be accepted in Gods kingdom? I don’t believe that is what the Bible tells us……Please examine your initial confession to Christ and he will always use the Holy Spirit to unquiet your soul and your sin will constantly be reveiled to you and you will know if you really are saved by grace or actually apart from God’s Kingdom and producing this fallen worlds lies. Satan is really loving his hold on you right now. Flee from it and don’t kid yourself Ray and others. GOD willNOT be MOCKED. Ever…..Remember God wins in the end….not Satan.
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EL

posted September 28, 2008 at 3:39 pm


IF GOD CREATED MAN AND SAW THAT IT WAS NOT GOOD FOR MAN TO LIVE ALONE, HENCE CREATED A HELPER (WOMAN) SUITABLE FOR THE MAN, THEN IT IS NOT WORTH HAVING A SEXUAL AFFAIR WITH THE SAME SEX. IT IS DEVILISH. THAT’S ALL. YOU ARE A BEAST IF YOU DO THAT COS DOGS EVEN KNOW THEIR FELLOW OPPOSITE SEX.
BUT YOU CAN CHANGE IF YOU ARE ONE AND READING MY MAIL NOW COS JESUS STILL LOVES YOU THAN THAT GAY PARTNER OF YOURS. HE CREATED YOU FOR HIS PURPOSE SO COME TO HIM WHEREVER YOU ARE NOW.
HE’S KNOCKING AT YOUR DOOR RIGHT NOW. LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU.
THE LOVE OF GOD IS REAL.
DO YOU REMEMBER THIS SONG:
COME, COME, C-O-M-E
COME, COME, COME UNTO ME
JESUS RECEIVE WHOSOEVER BELIEVES
WHEN THEY COME, COME , COME.
ITS NOT ABOUT YOU KNOW THE BIBLE FROM A-Z
BUT LIVING THE MIRI0R LIFE OF GOD.



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John

posted September 28, 2008 at 4:00 pm


As expected, the religious, self-righteous bigots are ever so quick to throw their brother under the bus without considering their own sin before God. Of course, their sin is always purer than another’s. Predictable hypocrisy from those who have convinced themselves that their own behavior is above reproach although they repeatedly fail time and time again to live up to their own religious standard before God. Somehow, being able to trash other’s in the pain and suffering of their struggles allows some to see themselves as more righteous, more holy and more acceptable in God’s eyes.
They forget that when they offend in one point of the law, they are guilty of all. If the scripture is to believed, James is saying here that we are as guilty of homosexuality as a homosexual if we have sinned against God’s law in any way.
James 2:8 ¶ If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
That’s why Paul states in Romans not to judge your brother, lest you be judged. In other words when we judge others for their sin, we are judging and sentencing ourselves to our own punishment. This is because in God’s eyes we are doing the very same things as we sin and as we continue to offend him by breaking his law. The name of the offense doesn’t matter to God, to Him every offense puts all of us in the same category of being guilty of all. Can you get that!!
Rom. 2:1 ¶ Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
Rom. 2:2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
Rom. 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Rom. 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom. 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom. 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Please remember, it is only because of Christ’s sacrifice that any of us stand before God washed in his blood, forgiven and justified. We are born-again a new creation man. You religious zealots need to get your self-righteous noses out of God’s business and take seriously the ministry of reconciliation that He has given us to support and to benefit one another by helping us to meet Jesus Christ in our daily struggles. The Holy Spirit is very capable of dealing with our individual shortcomings to cause us to grow up into the spiritual sons that he intended us to be for his glory. How is it that the most fundamental of Christian tenets are not understood by Christians themselves? The answer to me is simple; they are saved, but they do not know the heart of God, only the letter of his word which kills. Sad.



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Chris

posted September 28, 2008 at 5:15 pm


While I must completely agree with the statement that we must continually practice the loving art of reconciliation, and make it a daily habit of examining our own lives against the mirror of God’s Word, we also have to come to a place where we no longer allow the erosion of our society because of our silence.
I have been a counselor of homosexuals for nearly a decade now, and I know that their struggle cannot be viewed as a “different kind of sin” than the sins we each struggle with. Having said that, we can’t use that as a reason to look the other way while this ideal, which is so contrary to the Will of God for our lives, continues to absorb the lives of those not willing to war against it.
I know that this particular sin is a hard war because, as the Word teaches us, sexual sins engage the part of us that is eternal; our spirits. This is why sexual sins are viewed as more deviat than others. It has a more lasting and scarring reward for its temporary satisfaction.
I do not hate or judge Ray Boltz, or any other person dealing with homosexuality or sexual brokenness, but I cannot lighten the profound effect that this will have on him, and any who will see his acceptance of this lifestyle as an excuse to submerge themselves in that same bondage.
I can’t help but be reminded by this of how close Christ’s return is. We were told there would be a separation of those completely sold out to God from those that have known Him in name only. We were told that there would be a falling away from the faith, and that some with whom we labored for the Kingdom would be part of that group that would walk away from the truth, being deceived by the spirit of this age.
We cannot afford to put ourselves in a place of judgment over those who sin, but we also can no longer afford to ignore the issue of sin. It has laid claim to too many, and time is far too short.
Let us each focus on growing in the Lord, loving ourselves and each other, sharing the Gospel, and rejecting sin while loving the sinner.



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Lynn

posted September 28, 2008 at 5:36 pm


Sin is sin, no matter which one it may be, and every Christian sins. None of us have walked in Ray’s shoes or fought his spiritual battles, but we can, (because the Bible backs us up) say that homosexuality is wrong. Is Ray truly a Christian? Was he ever? Can an unsaved person be used of God to lead others to Christ and give Him glory? Those are questions best left under the sovereignty of God.
It is more our duty to examine ourselves and to see where we stand before the Savior. The book of Isaiah says that “all our righteousness is as filthy rags.” So, I guess the homosexual Christian artist is just as sinful in God’s sight as the every-Sunday-morning choir member, and they both need Jesus. Now, one may not be claiming to be an ambassador of Christ while practicing homosexuality, but the “oh-so-righteous” choir member is just as condemned by his sin in God’s eyes as the gay singer.
See, we get confused by what WE think of people. How WE view what’s right and what isn’t, and that just doesn’t matter in God’s eyes. He says “ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” Yes, we need to be spiritually discerning and take a stand against what the Bible says is wrong, but Ray Boltz falls short of the glory of God just like you or I do. Yes, it’s wrong, and it’s given the Christian music world a big black eye.
We need to be concerned about the sins in our own lives that need to be dealt with. Have we confessed and asked for His forgiveness? Are we allowing Him to be the Lord of our lives? In the end, He’s not going to ask us what we think of Ray, or Tammy Faye, or even Billy Graham. He’s going to ask, “What did YOU do with my Son?”
Okay…let’s pray for Ray’s Christian walk, or perhaps for his salvation, but more to the point, what about our own?



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Dawn

posted September 28, 2008 at 5:53 pm


Well of course we have to write about this. Secrets and hiding and shame are things that go along with behaviors that are harmful and sinful whatever they may be. I can’t think of very many situations where hiding facts is healthy.
Has Ray indicated that he is interested in continuing a career in music in public? It sounds like he was exhausted from the rigors of the career he already had and this contributed to depression and the fact that he gave up his fight to live as a straight man. It’s possible that like Leslie Phillips there will be a place for him in secular music if that’s what he wants to do. People who are able to write (I’m jealous!) their feelings and turn them into lyrics (even MORE jealous!)will find therapy and solace in their writing so surely he must have written about all this turmoil and pain. Who knows if he will decide to speak his current mind even if only to help others as they struggle with this or any other pain. i think that his place in Christian music will depend on what he says about Christianity, CCM and the Bible. If he trashes it all no doubt people will turn away in revulsion and hurt.



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Dawn

posted September 28, 2008 at 6:29 pm


Reply to Jim Trimble
As a singer I can tell you what it’s like to stand in front of others and watch in wonder as you experience God’s spirit go through your physical body using your own fragile clay to reach others with His message and change or minister to them. God’s words coming out your own mouth. When you are using your own power to do this and to live life in general it’s exhausting and I can also tell you what a black hole depression is and how you just eventually come to…the end. From my perspective it’s doubtful that money entered into Ray’s decision in any appreciable way. I agree that watching Satan and his lies use Ray’s voice where God had used him would be devastating. (Imagine the glee in the enemy canp)
“Is there a Christian Church for practicing Mass Murders who keep on killing people? Is there a active Christian Church for practicing Rapist who are practicing on a scheduled basis?” In response to this
I would ask if there is a Christian church for practicing white liars or gluttons. Is there a Christian church for teens engaged in premarital sex? Is there a Christian church for smokers? For tax evaders? Well–IS there? What is it that we DO as a church?
“Why did Ray Boltz wait so long to come out? Let me see…..He already deceived his fans out of so much money and notoriety and fame by waiting. Also, he waited till his kids were older so that they would not suffer the pain and humiliation of his selfish sin. That tells you right there folks that this is not from God and NEVER will be.” I think you are right about the kids and family part of this.
“Just because you start your own Churches that have the word Christian in them, to make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, does not mean Christ is actually part of your church. People with the same sin gather together to try and falsely support each other with number…..WOW, if you get enough sinners together then you will then be accepted in Gods kingdom? I don’t believe that is what the Bible tells us…”
Again I agree as far as church leadership and membership is concerned. A church like you describe sounds like a support group instead. And admittedly that is why some people go to church.
“Please examine your initial confession to Christ and he will always use the Holy Spirit to unquiet your soul and your sin will constantly be revealed to you and you will know if you really are saved by grace or actually apart from God’s Kingdom and producing this fallen worlds lies.”
Some good advice although those who really needed to hear that probably stopped reading a long time ago.
Satan is really loving his hold on you right now. Flee from it and don’t kid yourself Ray and others.
some more good advice IF they will hear it.
GOD willNOT be MOCKED. Ever…..Remember God wins in the end….not Satan.
Thank God for that!
Dawn
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Joanie

posted September 28, 2008 at 7:01 pm


I am a sinner every bit as much as Ray Boltz, not in the same ways, but sin is sin. The difference is this, I haven’t decided that I’ve struggled all I can so, I’m going to have to go ahead and keep this one sin, I have to give in to it. Because if I had, that would now be my god. When the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin, should you decide to say well, that’s just the way I am so I’m going to continue in this sin, anymore than someone who is inclinded to murder should murder, or continue murdering, or a liar lie and continue lying, etc. etc. I understand he’s struggled for years and I pray for him, I’ve struggled for years too with sin, temptations, depression, and difficult issues for me but in the end, it’s either me or God.
Romans 1:26-32 clearly states that homosexuality is a sin along with a huge list of other sins, so I am not saying Ray Boltz is a worse sinner than me, because I know that I am a sinner too, we’ve ALL sinned and fall short of the glory of God, BUT I continue to strive for self-control and strive to live a holy, Christ-like life and don’t give in. This scripture clearly states that we are to retain what God has told us and work to please HIM not us and that “Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only CONTINUE TO DO THESE VERY THINGS but ALSO APPROVE of those who PRACTICE (which means intently continue) them.” v.32 There is also Gal.5:16 “…live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature.” and v. 19 “The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who LIVE like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.” and v. 9 “Let us not become weary in doing good…”
I think that Ray Boltz needs lots of prayer and honestly, we ALL do! There is so much WORLDLINESS out there being thrown at us constantly and those that are on the front lines are huge targets for Satan to try to destroy, how better to launch a bombshell on the Christian army! There is also NO room for hate because haters are listed right there with all the other sins. We need to pray for our brothers and sisters along with praying for ourselves!! but also speak the Word of truth, loving them enough and ourselves enough to know that The Word, no matter what the world says, is the definitive truth and measuring rod for our walk on this earth. And if we are afraid we will offend someone because we speak the truth to them in love, then we are worried more about our relationship here on earth with them than their souls eternity! This life here on earth is short, eternity’s FOREVER!
God bless each of you and I pray for those that are deceived and blinded by the enemy and that they would be quickly released from their chains and blinders off (including myself…I pray God shows me any wicked way in me and leads me in the Way everlasting) so when Jesus comes again, we can stand before Him washed white as snow and sing Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty, Who was, and is, and is to come!!!!!



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JackieMoo

posted September 28, 2008 at 9:35 pm


I found out about Ray Boltz’s, “coming out of the closet”, just a few days ago. I asked my hubby, if he had heard about it. I thought perhaps it was some ugly rumor someone was trying to circulate. My hubby, said yes, that he had heard it on a Christian radio station, that he listens to.
My first feeling was of shock, but I also know, that no Christian is immune from sin & Satan! Ever since I first heard his song, “Thank You Lord”, sung around Bill & Gloria Gaither & Friends. It touched me in such an awesome way! Made me think back to when I was 7 years old & accepted Jesus as my personal Saviour! Later on, while I was in my 20′s & early 30′s. I had back slidden. Didn’t go to church & just about completely turned my back on God. Yet, during some rough times I truly knew, down deep in my heart, that He never left me!!!
No I don’t believe that homosexuality, is something your born with. It is a choice. Just as, God gave mankind a choice to serve Him, or reject Him!
I don’t hate Ray Boltz,because of his sexual choice. Neither do I judge him. I will keep him in my prayers!! God will judge all on that Great Day!
“Remember to hate the sin, but love the sinner! No one is perfect but God & Jesus Christ! To God, sin is not measured. If it’s a small or big sin to you. It’s one size to God! Christians aren’t perfect either, but we are forgiven, if we stumble, just ask God for help. He’s always there! Praise God!
A New Member Here! Jackie / Jackie Moo :))
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Rob Hoefer

posted September 28, 2008 at 10:44 pm


My prayers go out to Mr.Boltz and his family.It’s true that all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God.When Jesus was on earth he had compassion on people,but the Lord taught repentance of sins not indulgence.I pray that Mr. Boltz will do as the “prodigal son”,come to himself and return to the Father.I will continue to pray for his return to The Light and reject the deception of darkness that has destroyed many lives.God Loves the sinner,but will not and cannot tolerate sin.When Jesus forgave sinners,he charged them to go and sin no more.



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Ruby

posted September 29, 2008 at 10:37 am


BE NOT DECEIVED; GOD IS NOT MOCKED, WHATSOEVER A MAN SOWETH, THAT SHALL HE ALSO REAP…Galatians 6:7-9. You see, let’s stop passing the buck and blaming God…’God made me like this’.God did not make you like that. God made you a free moral agent to make your choice. you know what the devil does? he does not present the whole picture to you in order to deceive you but God shows and tells you the whole thing so that you can make your own choice. if from your lust you chose to please yourself then be bold enough to say this is my choice and be bold enough to face the consequences… don’t say God made you that way. but if you choose to live in Christ and deny all these fleshy lust, there is a reward as well. Jesus Christ didn’t die in vain, don’t make THAT sacrifice, THE BLOOD He shed, of non effect.The problem with human being is that we always want our ways, we are defiant, we don’t give a damn about God… because when they knew God they glorify Him not as God, and God gave them up unto their decisions Romans 1:18-32. so, Ray Boltz should stop saying that God made him like that, Ray needs a fresh dose of calvary. And please peolpe should stop making churchianity as christianity.stop behaving like the serpent in the garden of Eden ‘thou shall not surely die’ SIN IS SIN’ God is in His WORD. And judgment is going to begin from the house of God. and friends, you may say you are not a gay or a lesbian but you encourage or admire them, you might need to read Romans 1:32.



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Joanne Brokaw

posted September 29, 2008 at 11:25 am


David, I probably sound like I’m rambling because I don’t want to get into a lengthy Bible study on a music blog.
But I have not overlooked facts. I promise. In fact, I’m an avid researcher, and spend quite a bit of time going back to concordances and my NT word study. It’s important to me to not only read the Bible, but read it in context of culture and language. Honest, I’m not as dumb as I look. :)
But I’ve decided this year, while reading the Bible cover to cover, not to try to analyze every single word I read, as I read it. Instead, I keep a journal where I jot down questions, note where things confuse me or surprise me, or more important, contradict what I’d been taught or thought I knew. I want, instead, to let God show me places where I need to learn more. THEN I’m going back to study it all in depth. I read, I make notes, I read, I make more notes.
By not doing research yet, and only compiling questions, I can be open minded to where God is teaching me.
For example, everyone keeps citing Sodom and Gomorrah in this discussion about homosexuality, but I see that no one has mentioned that right after Lot bars the men of Sodom from attacking his guests (and yes, the commenter who made note of the Near Eastern culture of protecting guests from harm brings up a point that is actually noted in my King James study Bible), Lot says, “Hey, you can’t have these guys but I’ve got two virgin daughters you can have.” Um … that’s OK? In fact, the treatment of women in the OT bothers me a whole lot more than the few verses about homosexuality – a word that didn’t exist then, by the way. Did you know that the word didn’t appear in print until the mid 1800s?
Oh, and my shellfish comment! I read the most interesting book recently called “Holy Cow”, about the dietary law and written by a Messianic Jew. What I learned convicted me a whole lot more as I read the Bible this year, about why we should follow the dietary law and why we’re sinning if we don’t.
So no, I don’t purport to know or understand everything the Bible says about same sex sexual relationships. Am I rambling? Sure. Besides, I’ve learned not to argue with people who read the Bible to find verses to support what they already believe.
I’m secure enough in my faith to spend a year questioning it all, letting God lead me instead of me leading my reading. I have more questions than I ever had about God and the Bible, and it’s exciting.
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20 yrs old

posted September 29, 2008 at 11:28 am


i first heard about this over the radio and i was soooo shocked!!! It hit me really hard for the mere fact that i had danced at a crusade to “The Anchor Holds” by Ray Boltz only a couple days before!!! My mother had first pointed it out to me and all i said is “Mom, these are the last days and the enemy is trying to snatch all that he can for the final haul including God’s own children. In the final days there’s going to be a great turning away…so Ray Boltz isnt the first and he certainly won’t be the last.” Stay strong Christian soldiers. The enemy is here for nothing else but to kill, steal, and DESTROY including our faith. Stand fast in the liberty wherein Christ has TRULY set us FREE!!! Ray and the others who are still fighting tempations in other forms, I’ll continue to keep u in my prayers. And remember PRAYER IS A WEAPON OF WARFARE!!!!
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Larry

posted September 29, 2008 at 5:21 pm


It is quite sad and unbelievable whats happenning to Ray,his music and songs has blessed so many of us and our children looked up to him as a source of inspiration and influence.
He made the wrong choice then he should be responsible for his actions.Choice is an unwritten law of God.
Ray should just humble himself and made himself right with God instead of blaming God or somebody else for his actions.I believe God’s mercy and forgiveness still abound for him though he had allow the devil to sway his allegiance.
It is not enough for him to admit his homosexuality but he should be man enough to admit that he did the wrong and not GOD.
God will judge the sin of homosexuality hence He will have to wake up Sodom and Gomorrah and apologize to her.
…But where there is sin,grace much more abound.I only feel sorry for satan because he has lost the battle.We had already overcome.



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Damian De Leon

posted September 29, 2008 at 6:05 pm


How hipocritical and unchristian to backlash on Ray Boltz on his lifestle choice. You all weren’t so critical of anything when he was living a life of torture and lies – hurting not only himself, but also his wife and family. How dare anyone judge him or cast any kind of blame on him – and YES it IS still hippocritical to say you hate the gay lifestyle but not the gay person. The whole gay “lifestyle” is a term that the religious community created to allow them to still impress shame and judgment on the gay people of this world. gay people are still God’s children and living the truth of how God made them will give them the keys to heaven. Gay or not, he did God’s work, which proves God is above all and in control and works through ALL of his children. Being gay is acceptable. Being straight is acceptable. Casting judgement on your brother in the name of God is NOT acceptable.



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Brad

posted September 29, 2008 at 7:15 pm


Of course I was deeply saddened by the news of Ray Boltz and his decision to fall headlong into sin. I am shocked by certain articles that have been written about this matter void of the word of God and rifled with opinions and feelings and ignorance of the fear of the Lord.
The gifts and callings of God are without repentance the bible says which means God is not going to take them away because we sin, but please remember they are only gifts and gifts can become corrupted and polluted and even tainted by our sin.
The deception is that men may still receive and appreciate the gift while God is left with a stench to His nostrils!
A lie can cause much damage and much deception and even become twisted into a truth…let us not fall for the worlds definition of truth and acceptance. Ray Boltz is standing on sinking sand because of his influence on others who are young and ignorant. Jesus said better for this man to tie a millstone around his neck and throw himself into the sea then to cause His little ones to stumble.Mt9:42 I will pray for Ray and God’s mercy upon him before its too late!



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Anonymous

posted September 29, 2008 at 8:40 pm


Until now I am sad and greiving for him. How can a person say the name of Jesus and sleep with the same sex. it’s very gross and dirty. I hope Ray will see the light and turn around.



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Joe

posted September 29, 2008 at 9:01 pm


It’s a shame. And he should feel shame for it. I’m tired of all these fence riders who throw out “your hipocritical” and “your being judgemental”, bull! Ray needs to repent period. Its no wonder the church is such a mess, because there are few with backbone to say what must be said. It is no different with any other sin. I’m a drunk but thats the way God made me, or I like molesting kids but thats the way God made me, etc, etc..It is sin! If a Christian is in sin he/she needs to repent, and if they are stuggling they get some accountability help. But Ray laid it all on God, by saying He made him that way, that is the hipocracy in this whole thing. We all have sruggles, but it is never never Gods fault,it’s ours,we are wretched, we broke Gods law. I hope he repents for the sake of his soul and the church.
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Kelvin T.L. Lim

posted September 29, 2008 at 10:09 pm


I am deeply concerned that Christian artists like Ray Boltz are coming out of their closet and confessing that they are gays. I have chosen not to condemn or to judge, but rather I would like to remind us that the Word of God is not fallible and that confessing to be gay is, to simply put it… saying that the Lord makes mistakes and His Word has lost the final authority. Please think about it.



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Tim Morris

posted September 29, 2008 at 10:44 pm


Well I haven’t read every post but I have read enough to get the flavor of the responses.
First of all if being gay was an illness or sickness Lilly would have a pill for it. The fact is no pill is being developed because those in the medical profession have said not only is it imposable to reverse ones sexual orientation it is damaging to try.
WHAT CAUSES ONE’S SEXUAL ORIENTATION?
The most honest answer is that mainstream scientists do not yet know for sure what causes sexual orientation, be it heterosexual or homosexual. The American Psychological Association states “most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive, and biological factors. In most people, sexual orientation is shaped at an early age. There is also considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person’s sexuality. In summary, it is important to recognize that there are probably many reasons for a person’s sexual orientation and the reasons may be different for different people.”
For more information read: http://www.soulforce.org/article/1365
As far s Ray is concerned he is still a lover of Christ and continues to work out his salvation as we all must do.
Here is a link to his first concert after the Blade article. http://wunsicdude.blogspot.com/2008/09/ray-boltz-in-concert.html
Ray is no different today than he was in the past except today he is honest with himself, his friends and his family. God has always known the real Ray, and even though it is none of our business Ray chose to be honest with us. I think that is pretty darn cool.
I have known Ray for 34 years and he has always given everything to Christ.



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Geneva H

posted September 30, 2008 at 12:12 am


I was so saddened and grieved as I just heard of this tonight. He is an awesome gift to the body of Christ! God has used him to touch so many lives. Therefore we need to be thankful AND PRAY FOR HIM! Before we sit in judgement, we must each look at our own life and repent for all the ways we would like to excuse and justify our sins…I know I have! But I do have to agree that God doesn’t make mistakes, nor does He give us commands without giving us the power to overcome. If it were true, we could all blame God saying, these are the desires He put in me.
TIME TO PRAY!!! EVEN THE VERY ELECT ARE BEING DECEIVED. And how many others could one like this lead astray? Satan sure has a strategy, and loves seeing the body destroy itself from the inside out.
Let him without sin cast the first stone. Just pray for our brother, that God would open his eyes before much of the body is contaminated by such believing!



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Iris Alantiel

posted September 30, 2008 at 10:17 am


God bless Ray Boltz. Just as he is.



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Andy Price

posted September 30, 2008 at 12:45 pm


This goes to show you that you can’t trust everyone. Not everyone that says they’re a christian and sings gospel songs is going to Heaven. Yes friends there are gospel singers and songwriters in hell. There are preachers in hell. Why? They have sin in their lives that they think nobody knows about but God knows about it and He is going to be the one to judge one day afterwhile. I like Ray Boltz music and I even saw him in concert one time. I never dreamed he was gay. I pray he repents before the returning of the Lord which is soon. Why he would think that God made him that way is beyond me. God created us in HIS imaige and HIS likeness. He is Holy and the bible says that homeosexuality is an abomonation in the sight of God. It always has been and always will be no matter what people may try to say. Gods word will stand when the worlds on fire.



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Tim Morris

posted September 30, 2008 at 12:56 pm


I guess I’m glad Andy is not in charge.



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dianna hardel

posted September 30, 2008 at 2:51 pm


Wow, … I was thinking about the woman who was thrown at the feet of Jesus, her scoffers there to mock her, bruise her and ultimately kill her with stones. People fixiate their attention that Jesus was kneeling and writing something into the sand, … They fixiate on the words of Christ where he came to the aide of one sinners ( infact all of us) And he said ” He who has no sin, cast the fist stone”… I believe Ray is a sinner, as we all. But what I don’t want anyone to miss is just where Jesus was. KNEELING. He was kneeling. He put himself in a posistion of prayer, just as he does when the devil accuses us day and night, he intercedes for us. For mankind, though we all be completely unworthy… He loves us, died for us and cares for us enough to be GOD and stand, he took the form of humbling himself and kneeling for us in prayer, and ultimately… While on the cross.
I don’t know why people choose to lie, steal or fornicate. I do believe living as a homosexual is sin, but just as the bible says, God hates homosexual acts, he in the same breath hates liars and gossips. So ultimately, I believe Jesus is the great equalizer… Right when you think you are better than someone else, whap! you realize we are all in need of a Savior. Di’Anna



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Sam

posted September 30, 2008 at 4:46 pm


I am so shocked but brethren i will like to encourage us to pray for him that God will have mercy on him and bring him to true repentance before it is too late for Him and he wakes up in an eternal hell where his punishment will be much more intense being that he once was a christian . unto him who much is given much will be expected! (some will be struck with many stripes and few stripes) Finally this should sound a warning to us “let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he falls”



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Brandy

posted September 30, 2008 at 10:16 pm


I just want to finish what is started. I get tired of people picking out pieces of the Bible. I by no means judge or condemn any human being but do agree that homosexuality is living in sin. AND IF WE WILL FINISH John 8:1-11; Jesus and the adulturess woman; Jesus did say “He who is without sin cast the first stone.” He also did not stone her but PLEASE finish the STORY…. He tells her “Neither do I condemn you; go and FROM NOW ON SIN NO MORE.” You cannot LIVE in sin AND salvation. It’s like living at 1 house but using the address of a different house. It’s about where you live; dwell, inhabit… with God or with the world.



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Tim Morris

posted September 30, 2008 at 11:35 pm


What the Bible Says – And Doesn’t Say – About Homosexuality
* Jesus says nothing about same-sex behavior.
* The Jewish prophets are silent about homosexuality.
* Only six or seven of the Bible’s one million verses refer to same-sex behavior in any way — and none of these verses refer to homosexual orientation as it’s understood today.
For more go to: http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian



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Roland

posted October 1, 2008 at 12:28 am


I have sung “Thank You” numerous times during special services and events in honor of godly men and women who are instrumental in touching people’s lives. I sung the song, ” You Will Always Be A Child ” during my daughter’s dedication ceremony. I sung, “What If I Give All?” with the children in our church during Mission Sunday. We used the song, “Here Comes A Miracle” as an evangelism tool along with a mime drama team to depict our wonderful and glorious Saviour. I often let dear hurting Christian couples listen to the song, “Let’s Begin Again” and tried to save their marriages as that song is so powerful.
Then comes the news that Ray Bolts came out of the closet. How can a guy who looks like “Mike Hammer” with a macho lightning name be gay? How can someone justify his kind of lifestyle and do not care for all the Christians who have stumbled and unbelievers who are making a mockery out of all this? Not too late to repent my dear BROTHER.



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John Q.

posted October 1, 2008 at 11:37 am


Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.



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Bob

posted October 1, 2008 at 11:06 pm


Good for him for coming out. And for those who think Boltz will go to hell for his sexual identity: you certainly worship a cruel and hateful God.



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Penny Gilkey

posted October 1, 2008 at 11:36 pm


I am very shocked and disappointed! It’s over for me. I won’t listen to his music unless he repents.



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Bobo B'Nai

posted October 2, 2008 at 8:37 pm


This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.(2 Timothy 3:1-9)
This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.(2 Peter 3:1-7)



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Jamie

posted October 3, 2008 at 2:33 am


First of all I don’t know a whole lot about the bible to comment thoroughly on this subject but as I understand it does the Lord not state that we are ALL sinners and that in order to go to heaven all we have to do is accept him as our saviour and trust in jesus christ? Although being homosexual is considered a sin is it not stated we are all sinners so should it not matter? are we not all racist at some point, or envious, or greedy, or do we not all agree that no man is perfect? not one? no one will ever be as perfect as our Lord and for us to judge someone on the choices they make not our right or responsability? is it not our right to pray for the souls of the lost and not criticize or hurt others because we disagree? I am in no position to judge or comment on those that I feel are wrong because it is not my place to say but is it not your place to judge either? Do you really feel that calling someone names or stating they can’t be a believer or follower of Christ because they are a homosexual your right? What makes you so much better than the one that you look down upon since no sin is any smaller than the other? When our judgment comes do we all not face the same Lord and receive his judgment? If you are a believer and follower of Christ where does it state it is what you think that judges one’s acts? We all sin, and no one is less of a sinner than the other, so who’s right is it other than the Lord to judge those who live a different lifestyle? Are we not suppose to pray for those we feel is lost? and help guide them instead of making them feel ashamed and worthless in GOd’s eyes? I just would like to know who exactly feels it is their right and if they do feel it is their right what makes you better than anyone else? Are we not all in the same boat? are we all not born into sin and no sin is greater than the other?



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Daniel

posted October 3, 2008 at 4:31 am


God be with Ray and his family,
Oh the pain they must be facing. Although whats amazing is how long it took for him to come out. After making 4.5 million plus… That was a convenant coming out. Maybe some money should be spent on councialing for his family and re-paying the people he so uniquely decieved, After after all, if it was a tele-evangelist as Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart the out cry against them.
Maybe we are finally seeing we are not as spiritural as we think we are in descerning. Singing on the world most largest and powerful Christian TV Network. As for me I reach out to him and love him, his wife and children. There is some real pain here. God is Love and He really does care. St. John 3:16,”17″.
“Jesus heal the hurts, and forgive our sins and have mercy on us”…



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Ian Clarke

posted October 3, 2008 at 6:12 am


I say good for you. Be honest with yourself, totally, and you will find that life is much happier and better. People will see a different person emerge. On a note about the Bible, the Bible states that man is made in his own image and that man should love one another. As my son often states, the animal kingdom does also have gay relationships, eg toads, but, do we think of them, or love them less? Christians can be very bigoted and close their eyes to many situations where they should, if they are true Christians, show the way by extending their love to everyone, as the Bible says. There are an enormous number of men out there who claim to be married and have children, yet, at the end of the day, if they are not getting sexual favours from their wives, they will seek out a willing male partner to satisfy their sexual requirements, but, they will believe that, because it is with another man, they are NOT cheating on their wife and family. Of course they are. Sex with ANYONE else, other than their spouse, is being unfaithful in any man’s terms.



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Steve

posted October 3, 2008 at 9:53 am


The two cannot co-exist. He is either a christain or he is gay. He chose the latter. What I find interesting and disturbing is this modern notion that one must give in to one’s urges above all else, even above God. We are either hot or we are cold. Lukewarm does not work.



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Mandy

posted October 3, 2008 at 10:03 pm


This is outrageous! You would think that the Bible was clear enough and the people on this blog are about as half and half as anything I have ever seen! Yes! God does love everyone and he gives everyone a chance. You either take the whole book or none of it. You can’t say that you like this verse or that verse and reject another one. You can’t say “well, we wil re-word this to where it fits my life better”. You either follow God and follow his teachings or you don’t! Ray Bolts has made his decision. You can say that it’s something I was born with like a birth defect or something but I will tell you what it is. It is Satan and the ills of the flesh! The devil will try to get you down even if that means giving you feels like this. As Christians, you will fight battles of the flesh everyday but that is no reason to turn yourself into a victim becuase you can’t stand up to the flesh. It is so sad to know that all those songs and years you have spent in the “ministry” mean nothing. The good chrisitan people that have followed you are confused now, like they need more confusion in a world like this. You deserve to have every award taken away from you and see if you can’t go make it in the fleshly world becuase that, my friend, is where you are living.



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marilyn gaines

posted October 4, 2008 at 1:33 am


I know none of us are perfect but we are required to admit our sins and repent from them. Although God loves Ray Boltz, God still deems homosexuality an abomination. I know He won’t make an exception for Ray Boltz or myself for any sin we’ve been warned of. No I’m not a homosexual but our generational curse is whoredom, I chose to break that curse.
How long will we continue to feed the demon of homosexuality. It has caused this world too much grief. The diseases it’s brought about, the breaking down of family and morality. It’s just not worth it.
And while I’m sure there’s homosexuals in heaven, you best believe they’ve repented and turned from the practice. That’s not saying that they did’nt have the desire but they refused to practice that lifestyle.
Mr Boltz may have those urges but Jesus died so he could resist them. For him to give up after 33 years to practice his human desire is to say that Jesus blood was not good enough.
We can do all things through Christ who strenghtens us!!!!!! It’s time to stop mollycoddling our christian brothers and sisters. Let them know and put them in rememberance of the Word, the Blood and the fact that it won’t be long until our Redeemer draws nigh.
I love you and your music Mr Boltz, but I refuse to lie to you, you are deeply wrong for using the great influence God gave you to “come out of the closet” think of the many people, especially the children who will be influenced by you and think, ” its alright Ray Boltz did it”, no, I don’t think so, I know you need prayer.
I will be praying for your salvation.



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shirley a ryser

posted October 4, 2008 at 8:01 am


This is only an issue between Ray Bolts and God. It is not….and never will be…. an issue that anyone else can…..or should…..judge.



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Tina

posted October 4, 2008 at 11:02 am


Mandy, you should not be referring to Ray Boltz as your friend, as you apparently don’t know the meaning of the word. And for everyone else who says you can’t pick and choose which verses of the Bible you can safely regard or ignore, I highly recommend that you look up an article “11 Things The Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway”. The Bible bans football, shellfish, butt cuts, gold necklaces, tattoos, and several other things!

As for those who say people “choose” to be gay, let me ask you, Steve, presuming you are living a heterosexual lifestyle, how long did it take you to choose to have a relationship with a woman? Did you weigh the pros and cons of choosing a woman over a man? Did you struggle with the benefits that having a wife would bring over the benefits a husband would bring to your life? How long did you agonize over this decision? Give me a break. You don’t choose your sexual orientation like the way you choose to lie or tell the truth on a job application or the way you choose to wear a blue sweater instead of a black turtleneck. I am a Christian heterosexual but I choose to believe that when other fellow human beings tell me that they can’t ever remember a time when they were attracted by the opposite sex, that they are telling the truth.



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Vince

posted October 4, 2008 at 12:29 pm


well I mean its good he came out
now Christians can encourage him to turn to God in his time of need
and help him realize God is bigger than any sin
I think there are some ministries about stuff like that
helping fallen Christians get back up
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Vince

posted October 4, 2008 at 12:39 pm


And furthermore
don’t ever act like your above sin
no sin is worse than another
sin is sin in Gods eyes
God loves us
he has mercy
and grace upon us
so lets love Ray Bolts
even if he is Gay or struggling with Gay feelings
I mean . . .
who on this thing doesn’t Lie
or Lust
who here can honestly say that they never disrespected their parents
I mean look at David. . .
God used him
look at Saul(Paul)
Now if anyone says that God cant use this situation for his glory
then they call God a Liar
and that’s just not God



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Lois

posted October 4, 2008 at 1:41 pm


I’m proud to say that I knew Ray when he was in High School (We graduated from the same school, he two years before myself). I just wanted to say that as a Christian, I still love Ray for the artist that he is. His sexual preference however is none of my business. I try to leave the judging to God. Being heterosexual or homosexual doesn’t make Ray’s music any less great. One’s sexual preference should be between that person, his/her partner and God. No one else needs to know.



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Tim Morris

posted October 5, 2008 at 8:12 am


From my blog http://wunsicdude.blogspot.com/
Of all the comments I have personally received and read since coming out as a supporter of gay rights and in support of gay Christians, the one that seems to come up most often is how God can deliver Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual and Transgendered people from this “sin”.
I had one pastor tell me for every gay person I new he could introduce me to a reformed or transformed gay Christian.
My response was something like, “I don’t beleive you can for one, and of those you beleive transformed, ask them how they are doing with same sex attraction.”
He said, “well they may always have struggle with that.”
I said, “that’s because they’re Gay!”
So my observations have lead me to these few conclusions about my conservative Christian friends. Obviously these are statements in general:
1. My Christian friends tend to beleive anything they hear from the pulpit. They seldom think critically or challenge what they are told.
2. If science and study on human sexuality does not conclude to their opinion of scripture they beleive it is a deception of Satan that the world has bought in too.
3. It is virtually imposable for fundamentalist Christians to listen to anyone but themselves.
4. The fact that God doesn’t take away same sex attraction even from those that claim to be “cured” means nothing to fundamentalist Christians.
5. They beleive it is more Godly to shame someone into a closet than to lovingly accept them.
6. As long as a Gay Christian says he struggles with his sexuality, fundamentalist Christians will “help” them. They Gay Christian that accepts himself will be rebuked.
7. Even though time and time again ex-gay ministries have proven to be complete failures and cause damage to the people and families they want to help, fundamentalist Christians still beleive in them.
If you want to learn about ex-gay therapy read through some of these web sites.
Peterson Toscano’s A Musing http://petersontoscano.wordpress.com/
Beyond Ex-Gay http://www.beyondexgay.com/
Truth Wins Out http://www.truthwinsout.org/



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Tracey

posted October 5, 2008 at 2:02 pm


I belive that all sin is a result of the fall of man from God,For our being disobedient.But christ came to reconcile us to God. But we still have to struggle with sin until things are made different. So what ever the struggle maybe lust, lieing ,steeling, or what ever it maybe for each individual,that person must continue to war against that particular thing until the end or until Gods changes the world. which comes first,we cant pick and choose whats right or wrong the bible clearly tells us which is which and deep down we know the truth,all of us.Its up to us to decide how we will deal with that struggle,give in or continue to fight until the end.



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Sandi Jenkins

posted October 6, 2008 at 3:08 am


I think that it is not our right to Judge!!!!! God will judge who needs to be judged! I love Ray and I think if he has heart that belongs to God Let God take care of this! Look at elton john he has been gay for years and he still puts out music and ellen degengas look how many people still watch! It broke my heart about Ray but something tells me to let him decide. He the one that has to stand before God……. GOD Bless EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Angela

posted October 6, 2008 at 10:49 am


Well first I have always loved Ray’s music, but this is just shocking! Why? Because GOD hates this sin and if He didn’t then He wouldn’t of destroyed Sodom and Gamorah. Do you not truely read the WORD? It is very plain in the Bible that God hates this and that it is a sin. God did not make us to have these feelings. This is totally from the devil. Maybe Ray has never truely been saved. I do not understand how someone can say that they are a Christian and say that they are living a sinful life. Why? Because CHRISTAIN means Christ like and He knew NO sin. No Im not saying that we never sin because we do. However we reconize it ask forgiveness and don’t repeat it! I tell ya this makes me so sad inside. But then again the more that our world is messed up the closer it is to the LORD coming back! So come Lord Jesus, come……..



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Marica

posted October 6, 2008 at 1:51 pm


The news about Ray saddens me deeply also because I also the music he has given to us with such depth and sincerity. But I must say that I agree with Angela completely. Other than that I would like to add that as Christians we must all pray for Ray and others like him. We must pray also for our country and all the problems we have in it. Also like Angela I say Come Lord Jesus Come



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YBV

posted October 7, 2008 at 10:59 am


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Tonia

posted October 7, 2008 at 11:21 am


I’ve been deeply saddened by the news of Ray Boltz. He has touched the hearts of many people, saved and unsaved. He is not unlike the rest of us who struggles against the flesh. Each ones struggle is different. And the bible does say “Judge not lest ye be judged” but I don’t think we are to turn a blind eye to it. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for homosexuality. And he sent Jesus to save us from our sins and to give us an avenue to overcome our fleshly struggles. HIS word clearly states that homosexuality is sin. We are not to twist and turn the bible’s word in order to make ourselves feel better when we sin. I will pray for Ray Boltz and hope the curtains of deception are lifted. God did not make him like this.



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Margaret LaDUe

posted October 7, 2008 at 2:33 pm


How sad to think that a man who has given so much to the Christian music industry could give into his sinful urges (yes it is a sin to be gay, read your Bible, Christians! God calls it an abomination!) and decide to live in his sins. I pray Ray Boltz will realize how wrong his decison was to give up his marriage. The anchor still holds, Ray, even though you’ve chosen to strike out into the ocean of sin, God loves you and is waiting for you to come back.



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Janet Wilken

posted October 7, 2008 at 9:36 pm


This is truly sad to learn a person who has inspired so many with his songs of Christian faith could admit to this sinful lifestyle. Our world is truly giving in to sinfulness that will lead to death without our Lord. We cannot continue to live in sinful lifestyles. God’s word says we are to “flee” from them. Along with this, the many who loved his music are influenced to also sin, especially young people. God forgive and change Mr. Boltz’s thinking and God bless his family.



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pamela

posted October 7, 2008 at 10:43 pm


To GOD be the glory great things he has done. I just found out Ray Boltz came out of the closet.My mouth is still hanging open but not in judgement its in love I can do all things through CHRIST who strengthen me.I myself lived a gay life style for a long time in my life would I have said I was a Christian no but I believed in my heart it was wrong in GODS eyes and his WORD.The devil is doing all he can to take us from Christs path for us.My journey was long and I can relate to his sruggles and feelings but its not about us its about JESUS its not what the world says or excepts its what God says about all sin.Its not what we do but what CHRIST does through us if we let HIM. This is were free will comes in CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHOM WILL YOU SERVE, BE NOT DECIEVED.Be renewed by the changing of you minds.Christ healed me and HE will heal anyone who is willing to let HIM do the work in all our sinful ways.COME ALL YOU WHO ARE HEAVY LADEN AND I WILL GIVE YOU REST.LORD JESUS COVER RAY IN YOUR BLOOD,AMEN



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Debbie

posted October 8, 2008 at 11:48 pm


The Bible says in Psalms where David, after he had sinned with Bathsheeba, that he repented before God. He prayed “I have sinned against you and you alone O God. David realized he had sinned against God. Instead of David looking to be embraced by a church that would accept him and not reject him, he cried out to God in repentance. He knew he had sinned. He asked God to forgive him. David did not want to continue to sin. He did not love his sin.
But today we see in some cases that this is not what a lot of Christians do. The reason why they don’t repent is that because they love their sin more than they love God. It’s obvious. I do not believe any other church that is truly born again should be embracing these people. Instead they should be pointing out to them their need to repent. May God have mercy on your soul, Ray. How could you consider yourself born again and live this kind of abomination of a life style. You can accuse me of judging. But who you think the Bible says is going to judge the church? Check it out.



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Rebekah

posted October 9, 2008 at 8:43 am


None of us are guiltless. We are all sinners and no sin is greater than the other. The only unforgivable sin in the Bible is blasphemy. I do believe however that as sinners we must repent and change are ways otherwise what is the point of being reborn and renewed in Christ. Christians are to be examples of Christ but I’m not going to preach or pretend to know what Ray is going through, only he knows. This situation is between him and God. None of us should be the judge of his heart that is for God to discern. I’m praying for him and his family and hope that my fellow Christians will show love and compassion towards Ray just as Christ did for us.



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brandy

posted October 10, 2008 at 1:32 am


The sad part is he feels better….but what about his children? This cannot be healthy for them no matter how old they are. You teach them one way and then live the total opposite. We all do have our faults …I know, but goodness what could this do to the wife and children who counted on this man?



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Mary Thompson

posted October 10, 2008 at 9:50 am


I think Ray gave up. We all struggle with different temptations in our lives. With the power of Christ in our life we don’t have to give in to them. It’s very unfortunate. It’s also unfortunate that the writer of this article is willing to water down the truth about homosexuality.



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Cathy Barnes

posted October 10, 2008 at 6:18 pm


My heart breaks for Ray. Such a talented man with such issues in his life. As far as I can read in Romans 3:23 and 6:23 it says that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” and “the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved!” (Acts 16:31) It doesn’t say, renounce your homosexuality, be perfect, etc, etc, If Ray has trusted Christ to save him from his sin he’s saved. He’s a naughty child, living in sin, and that will affect his relationship with Christ (and the rest of his world!) but he’s still saved!!! 1 John 1:9 tells what can be done about that, though. “If we confess our sins He (God) is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” I’m praying that Ray will get counselling for his homosexual feelings and that he might come back into a full relationship with God, being obedient to God in every way – including his sex life. Ray’s talent is God-given (as everybody’s on this earth is!) and I hate to see it wasted. I’m praying for you Ray. God loves you and died for you to be free from the penalty, yes, but also the power of sin.



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Edosa

posted October 15, 2008 at 8:18 pm


It’s really sad and had breaking that one who has really made a lot of impact in the world today with living songs has given up. the good news however now is that there is still hope for when there is life there is hope. no matter what people get to say. We love you RAY



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Phillip

posted October 16, 2008 at 4:46 pm


I wonder what people are hearing in their churches? are pastors not letting people know that they are born sinners? and after they become christians that the enemy will do everything possible to get you to turn from God so know God’s word and keep marching. when you fall turn your eyes back to God and get up and keep going with God. when i hear people say, “i’ve felt this way from my earliest memories” it’s because we are born into sin. sinners. until we accept Jesus as our savior, which only we can do for ourselves. growing up in church isn’t going to do it. and having a christian family isn’t going to do it. and who is supposed to be the head of the house . . . the man. so who is going to be hit all the more harder in this world . . . the men. women get it too, but the men are supposed to be the leaders. for me, i think it’s sad that our churches leaders aren’t getting that point across to the people in the church. if you have the opportunity to spend eternity with God and have His abundance in your life . . . don’t you think the one who will never have that is going to war against those of us who can and try to get us to not accept or be unable to accept that life because we choose to live on our terms? God help our pastors and church leaders.



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Barry Scott Twitty

posted October 17, 2008 at 6:16 pm


This has really socked me!!!! Since the late 80′s I have been singing and found that Ray’s music was in a very good range for me. This is SIN plain an simple how can I in good faith contunie singing his music in church after this news. I will pray for you Ray. And if you really WATCH THE LAMB you would have found that this is not what God has planned for you. I am very disappionted and sadden by this news



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Laurie Armstrong

posted October 18, 2008 at 12:26 am


I posted a comment on Mr. Boltz website and encouraged him to go back to the foot of the Cross. I reminded him that God is full of mercy but he is also a just God. Why is it that more and more Christians turning to wordly ways and embracing the tolerance mindset? It seems it is easier to make excuses that deny sin. With the state of our country, the killing of innocent babies via abortion, and the push for gay/lesbian marriage, I am certain that end times are near. May God have mercy on us all.



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Cynthia

posted October 19, 2008 at 5:38 pm


Yes, sin is sin, and God calls homosexuality an abomination. I, too, pray for Mr Boltz that the music he has written and sung so beautifully will take on new life, and that he will see that although we are born in sin, God sent His only begotten Son to save us from sin. Without God, we are lost. Without God, there is no hope for us. Without God, we cannot stand against the attack of the enemy. And we certainly cannot stand against the deception. I pray that Mr Boltz will not accept what he feels is “normal” for him and that he will run to the foot of the Cross and find his true salvation and resoration there. May we all stay at the foot of the Cross and in the arms of Jesus…



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Jason

posted October 22, 2008 at 12:49 pm


We will not always see eye to eye with every artist we listen to, but when an artist comes out like Boltz, listening to his music and being blessed by it will not make someone “tainted with gay stuff” which seems to be the attitude of some. It reminds me of being in the first grade where there were “girl germs and boy germs” in which someone we don’t understand will somehow contaminate us.



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Jerald

posted October 22, 2008 at 1:16 pm


Jason
October 22, 2008 12:49 PM
We will not always see eye to eye with every artist we listen to, but when an artist comes out like Boltz, listening to his music and being blessed by it will not make someone “tainted with gay stuff” which seems to be the attitude of some. It reminds me of being in the first grade where there were “girl germs and boy germs” in which someone we don’t understand will somehow contaminate us.
In Response to Jason, Its not a matter of feeling that the music contaminates me as much as it is a matter of truth and trust. I can personally forgive Ray Boltz for his sins and not set myself up as his judge, but ultimately His judge is the Lord and the way I read the Bible is sin must be confessed and repented of in order for forgiveness to be received. Mr. Boltz seems to have embraced his sin and given up his fight against it. The bottom line is Ray Boltz has done harm to his music and its message by embracing the gay lifestyle. He is under a spirit of deception and needs to be delivered from that spirit. No one is born gay! Homosexuality is a perverted lifestyle and it is an abomination before God. I pray that he finds his way out of the deception that he is under. May God have mercy on him for believing the devil’s lie.



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Gerray

posted October 23, 2008 at 11:04 am


This is yet one more example of how the church in America has comformed to the secular worldview, in lieu of following God’s Word in obedience. You can’t pick and choose! With Jesus it is all or nothing. Will being gay stop you from having a relationship with jesus? Probably not, but if you have a true relationship with Him, he will open your eyes, and change you…I heard this a long time ago: “God loves you just like you are, but He loves you too much to let you stay that way”.
May God open Ray’s eyes, and draw him to Himself with chords of Love once again.



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Terry Crownover

posted October 24, 2008 at 3:31 pm


I do not know Ray Boltz. I am not a big fan of today’s church rock
and pop music. But I know there are many wonderful believers who identify with such and maybe like Ray, sing and write songs to the glory of God and build up the body.
Now, all of us have secret sins of various degrees. Some sins are more visible than others. But God’s mercy is needed to help us be
forgiven and to have a loving and forgiving attitude towards others.
We are not endorsing sin. We challenge ourselves and others to repent
and confess our sins. But not to condemn and unjustly cut off those
who need our love, support and prayers more than ever. Gays suffer
deep depression and have strong tendencies for suicide. They are lonely and need affirmation that forgiveness is possible and practicing being gay is wrong, but not the unpardonable sin.
If each of us would study our Bibles and be honest with the Lord and with ourselves, we would have lots of sins that are repugnant to God
and unto others. Our society sees being gay or divorced among the
greatest of sins. But Jesus died for us all. Let us love and forgive
and kindly rebuke as the Lord leads. But be careful that we don’t fall
and return to a sinful lifestyle. With Jesus, all things are possible. Let’s not put our trust in men, but in God alone.
AMEN!!……………..I John 1:9



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brenda

posted October 26, 2008 at 11:12 pm


i was very sad when my friend told my tears came down i am praying for our borther ray we love you



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shirleen

posted October 27, 2008 at 9:08 am


I am so sad about Ray Boltz’s confession but I still believe that God will cause him to see that this is a lie from the pit of hell and will ask for God’s forgiveness. There is nothing that God can not forgive. I am praying for you Ray.



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Trina

posted October 28, 2008 at 4:26 pm


This has made me so sad to read. I enjoyed his music so much years ago. Satan has sold him a pack of lies. We must be faithful to pray for this brother until God shows him the truth.



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Jeff B. Whitlock, Jr.

posted October 31, 2008 at 2:28 pm


Ray, I love you. I have nothing but respect for your decision, and I know the anguish and the conflict that led you here. The church has misrepresented homosexuality and its sinfulness for generations, and I stand with you — today and always — as a testimony to the overreaching love of God.
To the Pharisees of the 21st century who would condemn you, I submit this very condensed premise:
There are just as many Greek and Hebrew scholars who say that the Word of God has been mistranslated in opposition of homosexuality as there are who say the opposite. Anyone who says being gay is a sin is being disingenuous: A thorough exegesis of the text can lead to only one conclusion — that the determination of whether or not homosexuality is a sin is a judgment call, not a firm standing of scripture. In the absence of absoluteness therein, condemnation is unwarranted and unbiblical.
Remember that mediocrity always attacks excellence.
In our world as it is today, we must seek to be above the fray.
In the coming years, remember this great lyric:
“There’ve been times when giving and loving brought pain,
and I promised I would never let it happen again.
But I found out that loving was well worth the risk,
And that even in losing you win.”
With every bit of hope I wish you all the best.
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Cindy

posted November 1, 2008 at 1:21 pm


I am very saddened by Ray’s confession. I myself lived the homosexual lifestyle for years. Previous to coming out of the closet I sang in my home church and a number of places in my community. When I fell in love with a woman I left the church and was 10 years finding my way back to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. During those 10 years I became physically ill and even lost 40 percent of my hearing. I could no longer hear to sing and that was a big loss to me. Almost 5 years ago I came to my senses and confessed to Jesus that I was a sinner and asked for him to forgive me. I left the relationship that I was in and am happy to be in the family of God once again. God has restored my hearing to the point where I can sing again and he has annointed my voice to sing for His Glory. I am praying for Ray that God will reviel the Truth of His Word to him. God loves Ray but He does not love the sin.



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Joffer

posted November 1, 2008 at 4:41 pm


Ray Boltz is a top icon, he is being admired for being able to minister through good music. Singing is preaching, we cannot have gay pastors or ministers, if he is not able to minister having a focused christian life then he should stop it. We can’t serve good and commit sin at the same time, our service will not prosper, God will not bless it.
I believe Ray Boltz can still go back to a healthy christian living, but while he is still recovering, it’s good that he rests. May his songs minister to him as at has ministered to us here in the Philippines.



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Fred K

posted November 1, 2008 at 8:08 pm


Ray Boltz sang a song abut all that was left were the stones. About the woman caught in adultery in the very act. Jesus said that upon her confession of the crime that he would not condemn her but to go and “sin no more”. I say listen to your own song Ray!!
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
We all “sin” but the real sign of a believer is one who picks himself up after a sin and changes his mind, trying to sin no more (repents). The Sodomite does not want to do this but like it says in Romans 1:32:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
All that Ray Boltz and other so called professing Christians, that are open about their disobedience to the Word of God, have done is to sow discord among the brethern.
The Christian who “sins” is sorry for the offense to God and seeks to repent. The homo of today is not. Be ashamed Ray. I would ask you to turn from your wickedness and repent.
This is real love. To help a fellow Christain in his walk, or his stand, or his doing, or his keeping, with Christ.
Not the quotes from sudo christians that wish to honor you for your “stand”.
God hates a proud look.
Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Pro 6:20 My son, keep thy father’s commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
Pro 6:21 Bind them continually upon thine heart, and tie them about thy neck.



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Marco

posted November 2, 2008 at 2:04 pm


A person can be homosexual and still go to heaven. It’s sinful ACTS that can keep a person out of heaven. SOME of those acts are typically done by homosexuals. I think the Catholics have it right; it’s ok to be homosexual-but engaging in certain behavior is not alright. The Bible is still the authority-but really read it, and look up the words it uses-dog, catamite, sodomite, etc. You will see that BEING anything is not inherently sinful-it’s what you do or don’t do that’s important.



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Karen

posted November 5, 2008 at 5:55 pm


I am so saddened by this news. Living a homosexual lifestyle is a sin. The Bible does address this. To live this lifestyle and proclaim to be a Christian does not mix. Christians must fight agains sin constantly, big or little. But to give in to it and say it is ok, is wrong. You must be in a right relationship with God and not willifully sin. Living a homosexual lifestyle is willfully sinning. I will never listen to Ray Boltz music again and will discard any cd’s I have. He WAS my favorite singer but not anymore. Making beautiful music must come from a pure heart and should be a praise to God.



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Izzy

posted November 7, 2008 at 1:03 am


I am so glad I found this page. It looks like my spam filter is catching the important emails and deleting them again. Could someone please forward the email God sent out letting us know about the change he’s made? I would like to make sure my sins are all forgiven so I need to be sure I repent to whichever of you he passed the torch onto.
Thanks.



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Francis Sichinga (Zambia,Africa)

posted November 7, 2008 at 2:32 am


We are quite distressed by this news here in Zambia.Ray’s songs have been an eternal blessing to everyone that has heard them and they will continue to be.As for me I am convinced that if anyone wants to find out the truth about being gay they must read and fiond out what the Bible says about it.What was God’s position about the practice? Have you read Romans chapter 1?If there is any consolation about being gay it the fact that you are able to recognise that you are different.But that should not give anyone the reason to justify that position.Remember that everything about us has a purpose.If to allow basic functions to be applied elsewhere we deny the reality of who we are and what we are made of.May God help us all.



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ella salina

posted November 7, 2008 at 6:56 am


Christian walk is not one free of trials and temptations with an eternal security. Jesus clearly states that we take up the cross “daily” and follow Him. Its grossly disgusting to give excuses for your weaknesses and take immense pleasure in it. The word of God is diluted, compromised and given a backstand these days when its infallible truths are ‘forever established in the heavens’ and ‘no tittle of it can fail without being fulfilled’. It is the spirit of the antichrist that is most effectively working in these last days to decieve the very ‘elect of God’ as well.Homosexuality is devilish and there’s no compromise.
My Jesus was tempted in all points, yet without sin. His encouraging words should keep ringing in the ears of every believer, ” In this world, you will have trials, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world”….Hallelujah to that…..So lets look to our forerunner Jesus Christ, laying aside every weight and sin which so easily besets us and run with patience the race that is set before us.



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Joanne Brokaw

posted November 7, 2008 at 9:48 am


Hey all! I want to alert you to a new post that I think you’ll be interested in. Christian recording artist Brian Bates responds to Ray Boltz and Clay Aiken coming out of the closet, and as a former gay shares his views on how Christians should respond. It’s good advice and a reminder I needed:
http://blog.beliefnet.com/gospelsoundcheck/2008/11/christian-artist-brian-bates-s.html#more
Joanne
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non-metaphysical stephen

posted November 9, 2008 at 3:18 pm


I think it’s great that God has used a gay man to bless so many people through music. I know Boltz isn’t the first, either — many CCM artists have come out of the closet and many more are probably still in the closet.
It shows the breadth of God’s love that He has used (and continues to use) these people, who often cannot find acceptance in churches, to minister to so many others.
I once heard a preacher say that most of us will never understand God’s Grace as deeply as those whose lives have caused scandal to the mainstream church: recovering addicts, reformed criminals, et al. They know better than anyone how far God’s Grace can reach. I imagine that the same holds true for gays and lesbians: they REALLY understand how radical it means for God to say “I love you!”



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judykay

posted November 14, 2008 at 11:12 am


I am sorry for all the tears I shed over his songs (he was my favorite song writer) Im sorry for falling for his pleas for charities. Im sorry for any financial supportr I ever gave him, while buying his cds/albums….



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Joanne Brokaw

posted November 14, 2008 at 12:25 pm


judykay – You can’t be serious. That he’s gay means he can’t be a sincere supporter of charity? That he can’t sing well or entertain or write a good song? That he can’t share a message that would inspire? He wasn’t living a gay life then when you supported him. And since he’s come out of the closet, he hasn’t asked for a single thing from any Christian music fan.
Boggles the mind.
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Clearsky54

posted November 19, 2008 at 10:48 am


I think this is a good article; a refreshing article. The author does not immediately slam Mr. Boltz for being gay, unlike Ella Salina, who apparently feels that God has determined that she is the judge of all humanity. Homosexuality is “devilish”? Based on what? Your infantile “interpretation”? Ray Boltz is a human being. He tried to fit in with society’s image of a man for almost his whole life– and then, he realized that “society’s image” is just that; an IMAGE. It is not REALITY. Loving Jesus, being a Christian, doing the right thing in life — this is not based on one’s sexuality. This is based on the belief that we all have a higher calling to answer to — except for, apparently, Ella Salina, who has determined that she alone understands what Jesus wants us to do and be. “There’s no compromise”? Yes, Ella, there is. There is compromise in every single step we take and every move we make, because, as it apparently has not occurred to you yet, you do not run the world. And as such, you need to make room for others who aren’t exactly like you. Mr. Boltz has finally come to terms with who he is. That should make you rejoice, Ms. Salina. But you aren’t capable of doing that, because you apparently have a “higher standard” than everyone else on this planet. Look in the mirror, Ms. Salina. You might still be able to see a human being there. And if you do, I suggest you that human being, “Do you love others? Or do you judge others?” Right now, I’m not feeling the love; I’m only feeling the “judgment” — and it hurts like hell.



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Your Name

posted November 25, 2008 at 2:46 pm


I dont believe he will be allowed back into the “graces” of the christian music world. Christianity as a whole believes that gay and lesbian lifestyles are anti-God. that fact will never be changed. there will be churchs and “christian” orginizations that reach out and accept them just as they are, but the christian world as a whole will never do that. we will accept them as we accept rapist, murders, alcaholics and child pornographers….we love the sinner hate the sin. I speak for me and nobody else but thats my belief. His music is still great and is still anointed. (if God could use a donkey he can use any of us) I think this problem is sin and needs to be healed from, i dont think he knows how. I will pray for him.
I wonder how many christians will fall into this pit becasue ray boltz showed them the way…..i wonder.



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Your Name

posted November 26, 2008 at 1:44 pm


This clearly shows we are near to the end of this age.Really perilous times when men will be overs of themselves more than lovers of God.Ray i am not judging you but I am praying that Jesus will be reveal Himselve to you anew.We sure need you in Heaven.We need to repledge our allegiance to the LAMB



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Jlp

posted November 26, 2008 at 5:33 pm


His poor wife! Jerk. 33 years of using her. I think for that alone he is horrible. I’m burning all his CDs.



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Crazy

posted November 26, 2008 at 5:40 pm


I am a 47 year old pastor, married for 27 years, father of two kids and have been walking with Christ for 28 years. Through all of those years I also have been carrying the weight of same sex attraction, but never participating in any activity. It has been at times debilitating and frankly beyond my human ability to carry. It also has played havoc with my marriage and my spiritual walk….BUT…Christ has kept me.
I have always been open and honest with my wife and a handful of pastors and friends that realize we all have brokenness of many kinds. This is just another one of many. Please, please, please stop with the stupid and hurtful judgments and council. Don’t you think Ray has beat himself up enough, now the church is going to lay into him. You simply do not know what it is like to have these emotions and be a Christian at the same time. And YES it is possible. You don’t know just how wrenching it is.
But for me, this is my load to carry in life, Christ will help me. Why Ray could no longer carry the weight of it I don’t know…but Jesus does…and you can bet he is not throwing judgments and punishment at Ray. Ray tried the best he could, but for now the weight has overcome him. Silence and grace is all this issue needs…and a deep inner look at what we are ourselves are hiding from Christ and everyone else. Please represent the grace Jesus died for….you are whipping Jesus all over again with your words of judgment of Ray.



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LeaderSheep

posted November 28, 2008 at 12:55 am


I agree with “crazy” partly. Yes throwing around condemnation is not what this man needs right now and yes even when we are saved we still have struggles. But there is something else I believe that he didn’t mention and that is that one can be HEALED of these emotions. There have been wrong emotions and thought patterns that I lived in and struggled with but I’ve been forgiven and healed and there are ones I still struggle with but I give them to Jesus and believe for deliverance from them. Sometimes you have to fight for and claim your healing because the enemy tries to bring it up again, throw accusations and condemnation but you place the cross of Christ in front of you and say “No! It’s been taken care of on Calvary and you have no power over it.”
I know homosexuality is wrong, it says so in the Bible and there’s to many verses to confirm it so I won’t go into all that. We should reach out to homosexuals and love them as Christ does. BUT if you claim to be a Christian and are involved in a church body yet act on homosexual impulses (or continue in any sin for that matter) and the leaders of your church approach you and rebuke you and you DON’T take it – yes you should be kicked out of the church. Even Paul commands the church to do so and he commands the brothers to disassociate with brothers who do such things.
I have great compassion for homosexuals because for the most part they are acting out of a wounded heart. Almost all homosexuals have either been hurt (emotionally) by a parent (generally the father) either because of emotional distance, divorce, abandonment, abuse, rejection etc OR they we sexually abused, molested, raped etc at some point (generally as children or during young adulthood). There are other cases but from what I’ve seen and the studies I have read this is the case. So the way I see it, is they need love and support and they need to be taught that God loves them, that He wants to be their Father and heal these wounds and set them free from these conflicting emotions. It’s not the people outside the church that we are to chasten but those inside, who should know better and know to be obedient.
1 Corinthians 5:11-13 (New International Version)
“11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.””
That’s the Word of God that I stand on. Love the sinner, hate the sin. And we do not expel him out of hatred either but out of love, in the hopes that he will see his folly and turn from it and repent. We can not tolerate sin in the church and we cannot tolerate sin in ourselves. This is not to say that we beat ourselves over the head with all our mistakes – Heavens NO! It is that we are constantly to be humbling ourselves at the foot of the cross and seeking Christ all the more, constantly “working out our salvation.”
And remember if you get homosexual thoughts acting on them is sin, not having the thought BUT meditating on those thoughts is also sin because “as a man thinks in his heart so he is” so if thoughts of this or ANY sinful action is pestering you remember this verse:
Corinthians 10:5
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
Take it captive in the Name of Jesus! Battle for your mind, fight it with the sword of the Spirit – The Word of God!
I could go on but I’ll end it here. God still loves him, but that’s not an excuse to keep on sinning. God loves everyone but not everyone is going to heaven and that’s the truth. It’s between him and God now and if he wants to be accepted back he needs to turn from his sin and seek God. Simple as that. I hope he does!



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posted November 28, 2008 at 1:32 pm


I totaly agree with all the comments that have been posted accept for the one where they call Ray a jerk. I am a 31 year old man who struggles with same sex attraction and there is a level of this struggle that has’nt been mentioned, sometimes there has been memories a s far back as they can remember of these kind of thoughts. This is probably why most homosexuals believ the were born this way, or I’ve even heard that they believe God made them this way. I believ that because we were born with a sin nature, that the enemy can harp on so many facets of sin in our minds, and if the father in a home is not a strong dominate factor in a childs life than it’s easy to be influenced in the wrong way. One thing that the Lord has has used to help me is a program called Celebrat Recovery. In this program I found out that God’s love for me is larger than human minds can grasp and I met men who struggled on diffrent levels than where my struggle was but we struggled nonetheless all needing God’ grace and forgiveness. First you have to realize that the battle is not yours to fight anyway,so you have to be willing to lay aside your wants and needs and be willin to give them to the Father for Him to take over. Get connected with Healthy (in my case) men who do’nt struggle with the same thing,repent daily and live your life to please Him, and you can come out of this. Ray may need to have men of God surround him and love him, not condem him. Stuggling with homosexuality is no diffrent than a man lusting after a woman, or someone acting out in adultry, having sex outside of marraige in God’s eyes. We do need to pray for Ray and pray that God would stongly interven and He is faithful to His promises. I still Love ray’s music and I have faith the the Lord can and will bring him out of this,only if Ray does’nt have a made up mind. If he wants to come out then I feel that God will help him, but if he’s given up to where he does’nt want to come out then we have much praying to do.



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posted November 29, 2008 at 12:50 am


How in the world can anyone think that being gay is o.k.? When God done what he did to Soddam & Gomorah for sodommy!Its not my place to judge anyone but I do NOT believe that it is ok to be gay in God’s eyes! Satan puts those feelings there NOT God! Satan is trying so hard to pull people in because he knows he don’t have mucg longer! I believe with all my heart that Jesus is coming soon & I don’t want to see anyone go to hell,& I will be praying for God to deliver Ray! WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!!!



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Kathi

posted December 1, 2008 at 1:41 pm


Maybe we should just pray for Ray and leave the condemnation to the Lord? We all know what’s right and holy and that is all we can strive for. Ray will answer for his actions and so will we!



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posted December 8, 2008 at 2:02 pm


There are sins which we commit before we came to Christ and there are sins which we commit after we come to Christ. Satan will condemn us for each of these. The church through admonition to be Holy, for God is Holy, is not condemning, but exhorting. The devil condemns. He is telling Ray and others that they are sinners and must live in sin. But God tells us through his word that we have been saved from all sin and unrighteousness. He will also keep our steps from falling if we will cling to him. The reason Ray has fallen is because he decided it would be easier to submit to Satans lies than to trust in Christs sacrifice. This is the lie which Paul speaks about in Romans 1. We all should be careful lest we believe the lie and are damned.



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Neddy

posted December 11, 2008 at 4:56 pm


Ray’s music has been a personal inspiration to me, but this news…I implore him (and all such as he, who have tasted grace and its power to change lives) to prefer to die on their knees before God than succumb to any act, thought or habit that puts one in danger of eternal damnation. Let each man remember that the final decisions about our eternal destiny would be determined by God and not by our human ideologies or philosophies. Our race is almost done, won’t we all consider it too late to admit defeat to sin and satan? For Ray, for us all, Bride of Christ, please pray that not one of us who have laid our hands to the plough would look back; and, for those who have done so already, may they find their ways back to true holiness “without which no man shall see the Lord”.



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posted December 12, 2008 at 7:35 pm


Your ok and im sorry about all your trouble but God gave you a gift use it in spite of it all



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Christopher White

posted December 15, 2008 at 2:58 am


Congratulations Ray! Everyone should be true to who they really are!
I am a openly gay Christian and I do not believe God loves me any less for who I am. God created me and I was born this way; how can that be wrong?
And for anyone that believes otherwise; I will pray for you.



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Luposian

posted December 20, 2008 at 8:40 pm


The thing that hurts the worst, for me, is the fact that a person like Ray writes SUCH a powerful Christian song like “I pledge allegiance to the Lamb” and then, in 2004, just walks away from his allegiance, like it wasn’t worth it anymore!
But the bible DOES say that, in the last days, men will be lovers of pleasure/themselves/each other/whatever rather than lovers of God. Professing God with their lips, yet He’s far from their hearts. Having a form of godliness, but it’s not genuine.
Ray Boltz is not the first “Christian” to let us Christians down … and he won’t be the last. But, know this… the bible says: Many in that day shall say “Lord, lord!” and Jesus will say, “I never knew you.”
Is Ray Boltz just another one to end up in that lineup? Looks like it, thus far. To have been a “Christian” THAT long and yet ends up throwing in the towel? i’m sorry… just rubs me the wrong way, big time.
Frankly, if I woke up tomorrow and the bible said that heterosexuality and being married to a woman was wrong, I’d quickly divorce my wife and become celibate, because my brain and body can’t possibly fathom getting into a homosexual lifestyle. I’d hate to do it (divorce and no hetero sex), but I’d do it no matter how much suffering I had to endure. My “allegiance to the Lamb” is FAR more important to me than my sexual desires and whatever this body would desire I do.
If Ray was ever truly saved, then this is but a VERY dark chapter in his life. I only hope it doesn’t cost his salvation, in the end. But if he never was saved, then the jokes on us… we bought into a very well fabricated lie. We bought music and videos by a complete and utter charletan, who, when the time was right (when gays finally got a big enough “market share” (say-so and opinion) in the public eye) he decided it was SAFE for him to let down all pretenses of his Christianity and admit who he really was all along.
I am angry, mainly because I like his music so much, and yet I know what he is now. It tears me up inside! His latest single (“Don’t tell me who to love”) is but a VERY thinly veiled reference to gay marriage rights. And, while it is a song that SOUNDS nice (his vocal effects and the music, itself, are very nice), the lyrics are so easy to see through, it makes me ill, what he’s bolding proclaiming nowadays.
I think we Christians need to see this for what it truly represents. One of many plans of Satan. He built Ray up in our eyes, as one of the most awesome Christian artists to ever grace the music industry, only to reveal his puppet for us to see, when the time was right, knowing it would likely damage or cripple (or even destroy) the faith of many, who saw him as a role model of strong Christianity.
Seeing more and more, supposedly strong, Christians (individuals/pastors, etc.) falling to the liberal/gay side (this includes all it’s subtle variances; moral relevatism, ecumenicalism, etc.), simple makes me angry… and the angrier I get, the closer I draw to Jesus, because I am realizing that HE is the only one who will NEVER change!



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abena

posted December 21, 2008 at 3:52 pm


we all have our weakness. before we came to know Christ, we were but weak beings who didn’t know our left or right.this is the time all Christians have to come together and show love for the perishing. ray bolt z or no ray bolt z, the gospel must still be preached. this should be a confirmation to Christ’s prophesy about the end time. what ever it was that made him decide to accept Christ i think has faded away and so i will advice him to again ask Christ for his say on this matter and stop letting his mind do the talking.



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Eliot

posted December 23, 2008 at 1:00 pm


Christopher White wrote on December 15, 2008 2:58 AM the following:
“Congratulations Ray! Everyone should be true to who they really are!
I am an openly gay Christian and I do not believe God loves me any less for who I am. God created me and I was born this way; how can that be wrong?
And for anyone that believes otherwise; I will pray for you.”
God’s love is not limited to those who belong to Him or not, to heterosexuals or homosexuals, or to big or small, but the Bible clearly teaches that homosexuality is a sin. If you want to believe in God you must also believe what the Bible has to say about homosexuality or any type of sin. True to one self is a great philosophy but a bad theology. We must be true to one self as far as it goes hand in hand with the Word of God. I can be true to myself and find out that I am a hypocrite but I must be truer to myself by confessing that I need to change my ways.
God loves all people but in heaven, there will be no sinners. I believe what the Bible teaches about sin and, in this case, homosexuality.
PS.
If a woman likes to sleep around with men, what is wrong with that lifestyle if God made her that way? Do you see the same reasoning with gays believing God made them homosexuals? If I lie a lot, what’s wrong with that if God made me a liar? If He made me gay, why is the Apostle Paul state otherwise in the Book of Romans? If God made me a liar why are liars going to be sent to the lake of fire in the Book of Revelation? If the Bible teaches that lying is a sin but later on it teaches that it is OK to lie because God made a person a liar, then what good is the Bible?
With all due respect, you need to repent and ask God to reveal to you, one more time, where He stands on the issue of homosexuality. If you believe that you are a Gay Christian, it is possible that in heaven there is a Holy Satan waiting for us.



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posted December 30, 2008 at 2:29 pm


For all those self-professed Christians that want to cast the first stone of judgment at someone like Ray Boltz, I wonder what sin you struggle with that would equally condemn you? Since many of you seem to believe that Satan’s power is able to defeat us, then I suppose that you believe that God’s word is in error when it states in Romans that NOTHING is able to separate us from God’s love. I’ll let those that so easily condemn others stand on their self-righteousness, but as for myself, I’ll humbly claim the redemptive work that God did through Jesus for my personal salvation.



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posted January 3, 2009 at 9:48 am


It’s frustrating reading posts and comments, arguing this subject. The Bible is very specific concerning homosexuality. God hates it. I am not judging, nor are other Christians judging, for standing on the Word of God. It is what it is. And sin is sin. I believe that homosexuals who claim to be Christians are deceived and confused. And we all know who the author of confusion is. I just don’t like the words Christian and homosexual used together because I don’t think you can be both. God knows. How can bitter and sweet come out of the same fountain? At any rate, I hate that satan has destroyed Ray Boltz’ ministry. Do you think I feel the same about him now? No. Unfortunately, the reason we are not seeing people being saved in these last days is people can’t see a difference between the church and the world. Christians are to be a peculiar people, standing for what is right and “living” by the Word of God. Listen folks, this is not me talking, this is THE WORD OF GOD…”also the men leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men, working that which is unseemly…God gave them over to a reprobate mind…they which commit such things are worthy or death.” 1 Corinthians 1:26-32.



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posted January 4, 2009 at 12:41 pm


God Is Judge & He Hates Sins!Ray Bolts, you need to read the Bible & The Lord will let you know exactly how He feels about your sin….i really pray for your Salvation that you’ll be Saved & live like our Lord wants us to live! Why do you think Sodom & Goromah was destroyed with Fire & Brimstone? God our Father did not create Adam & Steve,,,
He created Adam & Eve!I will be praying for you & hope & pray you’lll read His Word, then you will know how our Lord feels about this sin…
Prayers for you[in Jesus' Name]



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posted January 6, 2009 at 11:46 am


I became a Christian, I thought that was the way to deal with this and I prayed hard and tried for 30-some years and then at the end, I was just going, ‘I’m still gay. I know I am.’ And I just got to the place where I couldn’t take it anymore … when I was going through all this darkness, I thought, ‘Just end this.’”
I became, I thought, I prayed, I was going, I’m still gay, I know I am, I was going through darkness, I thought…. the battle within and without is real. And the Bible does not suggest a relativistic option to meaning or reality. Like the sun it penetrates the “darkness” again and again to give us an anchor. And the anchor holds. As I say this to you Ray as I say it to my own soul: run the race, keep the pace, accept his grace, fight the fight and choose to abide in the light.
In our postmodern age there appears to be an emerging darkness. In some quarters it is defined as the emergent church. There is this assumption that we cannot really know the truth, and so it is selectively deconstructed to make spirituality “palatable”. Ray, Heaven is counting on you, run with a heart that is true, carry the cross, count the cost. God was not speaking in a relavistic sense when he said that he made us female, or that He created us in His image.
Much has risen to mar that image, to seek to deconstruct it as meaningless. Jesus said it in his own words that He will never leave us or forsake us. This is true even when self becomes delussioned, when the battle within sets itself above his word, and when the “darkness” commands that we give in. Ray, the batle rages on, and the cross is not an emptied of its power. It is the power to salvation, it is the ligt in our darkness, and it is hope beyond our present-day prophets who redefine sin liberty.
His word is the reference point of truth and reality. In it you can overcome the battle. May the love of the Father, the grace of His Son and the fellowship of His Spirit lead you to victory and reconciliation.



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posted January 7, 2009 at 11:03 am


I feel that no matter what You do God will forgive you if He is sought. God said none of us are without sin. We all have sinful thoughts and desires. I feel like we should not just give into what ever thought or feeling we have. Before I accepted Christ I used to be a bisexual female. I would not participate in that kind of behavior today, because I am a Christian and I feel like it is wrong. I feel like alot of things are wrong. But I am not free from sin, there are still plenty of other things I do that do not please God. God said “if You love me You will obey me.” That is not always easy to do. God is love. He loves everyone equally and that is why he sent His Son to die for us while we were yet sinners. I can not judge anyone only God is the Judge. Each of us will be judged accordingly. I think obedience to God’s Word is the only way and we have to fight temptations. Because God does not tempt us to sin the enenmy does. Choose this day whom you will serve.



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posted February 2, 2009 at 4:29 pm


Wow, it concerns me more that the blogger said she is conflicted about the gay/christian issue and that she doesn’t believe homosexuals will go to Hell. Interesting that the Dec 30 poster cites Romans 8 – true that nothing can seperate us from the love of God. But like Satan in the Garden, they twist the Scriptures. Who is the “us” in the Romans passage? Those that are true believers. Who are true believers? Those that do not commit the acts that Paul CLEARLY and UNAMBIGOUSLY states in 1 Cor. 6 and Gal 5 and Romans 1, to name a few. We must love Christ more; love his Word more than anything or anyone else. Love and pray for homosexuals – yes. Condone their sin and lie and say they are not in danger of Hell – that’s not loving them, that is lying to them. Now we have sinned and they are on their way to Hell. We have lost sight of whom we need to love with all our heart, mind, soul and strength – that’s Christ for those who are blinded by what the Bible calls this evil age (Gal 1:4). I just hope Christians aren’t shaping their beliefs from blogs on the Net but from the Bible.



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Joanne Brokaw

posted February 2, 2009 at 4:45 pm


Follow the Word – I didn’t say I didn’t think homosexuals would go to Hell. I say they weren’t going to Hell because they were gay. We end up in Hell because we have rejected Christ’s offer of salvation, and that goes for homosexuals & heterosexuals.
Just to make that clear. And I’m not going to lie and say I have all the answers. When I’m conflicted, I’ll let you know. But trust me, I’m talking to God about it. That’s where my answers will come from.
And I agree. You most definitely should not be shaping your beliefs on this blog or anything else you read on the internet, or any books or Christian music. You should be looking to the Bible.
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Jason

posted February 11, 2009 at 6:29 pm


ANYONE that calls on the name of the Lord will be saved! There are no conditions on that promise. I don’t agree with the gay lifestyle. I think it is a sin just like lying, murder or anything else on the “sin list”. One sin is no less or greater than the other in the eyes of God only in the eyes of man.



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poohsmom

posted February 17, 2009 at 4:45 pm


It broke my heart when i heard the news about Ray Boltz. I loved his music. I do not condone this lifestyle because it does go against God’s
word. It cant be any clearer when God’s word says that liers adulterers
homosexuals etc will not enter the kingdom of Heaven. God calls this sin an abomination. If you are living a life that goes against God then you are rejecting Him. I pray that Ray finds true repentence and returns to God. And no i do not hate gays I hate the sin. You can not enter Heaven with sin in your life that is why it is so important to repent when you sin. I am not perfect just forgiven and work every day to be the person God wants me to be.



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Jamie Kenyon

posted February 17, 2009 at 7:54 pm


This just breaks my heart. I love(ed) Ray Boltz music, and I’ve seen him in concert before. I can say I will no longer listen to his music. The bible makes it clear that acting on your homosexualality is a sin. I was among the many that went to Washington DC for the marriage march, 1 man and 1 woman. There are many homosexuals that have given their life to Christ and turned from that life. I won’t judge or condemn Ray Boltz but I also won’t condone or support him in any way. If I could I would get a refund on all the CD’s I have of his, and I have many.



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Your Name

posted March 11, 2009 at 9:06 pm


i feel that he is wrong you can not live for god and be gay. the bible plainly tells you that it is WRONG!! You will go to hell and burn forever!!!! Jesus said repent and turn yourself around. then you will be forgivin go and sin no more. God never said he did not love you he just said you can not go be with him. so you need to really think about this. It’s wrong wrong wrong…. God will help you as long as you have faith in me{god} is what he says!!!! You did it for 33years so what made you change your mind… He is coming soon. you only think about yourself and not others. do not confuse people and not them think they will not go to hell for being gay because they will. IT’s nt right PLEASE GET BACK ON THE RIGHT ROAD!!!!



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posted March 11, 2009 at 9:17 pm


My comment goes out to let Ray know that he did bring a lot of people to Christ, also that his songs have a close relationship with God and God let him continue his songs because he knew that he was an inspiration to all. I feel that God will give him credit for this if he was to confess his sins and go back to the secure relationship with God that he had. God says knock and the door shall open, Ray you have to knock because in your heart you know this is wrong if you hadn’t thought so you wouldn’t have felt the guilt in your heart and also you wouldn’t have reach out to a gay church. We can not to what we want to in life without paying the price. I am not your judge God is but for my own feelings this is very wrong. I am sorry this ended for you in this way and I will continue to pray for you every day that the devil will flee from you and you will let our Jesus back in your heart. God Bless you!!! Beverly



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posted March 14, 2009 at 3:15 am


I have heard the music of ray and you can’t take away from him, gifts do come without repentance, however God does not make a mistake and He made them male and female, I pray the Christians will not support, accept, nor compromise the truth of God’s Word, and yes God looks at the heart of the pure and righteous, Boltz has become a lover of himself and my regards to him as he will one day lift up his eyes in hell, and I can only wonder will he feel it was worth it, a man died for puting his sperm on the ground, and like wise with the waste of all homosexuals, that’s real talk… he whos ind is stayed on Christ will be kept in perfect peace, so it is obvious, since he had no peace he was never a Christian, and the good news still is he still has time to repent, since he never Him.. Ray & to all the Gays, it’ won’t be worth it in the end, and deep in your heart you’re still not at peace nor in that lifestyle will you ever…. Real Talk



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Bea

posted March 14, 2009 at 5:16 pm


God loves all His creation and He has mercy on all who have come to a place of meeting their vulnerability and have come face to face with seeking after God on all their issues. He is a God of love and forgiveness. His mercy endures forever and Ever. Who is the first to cast a stone. Almost anything we do is a sin, intentional or not we are all sinners regardless and while gay lifestyles are in direct rebellion to the will of God who says we are to be separate and to be sanctified for Him and that we are not to judge lest we be judged. I believe that God doesn’t contradict Himself wnen according to His will for our lives as Christians to be set apart from the rest of the world. We still are not allowed to judge, Ray Bolt knows the word of God and if he still found that he needed to give in to the lusts of the flesh for the same sex being okay with God because God is Love and God forgives and God loves him unconditionally regardless then there is some conflict that needed to be resolved and the word of God was not enough to resolve it. What else could Ray Bolt do? Obey God and die to the flesh or just give in and when hell is in front of his deathbed maybe repent and get forgiven and all that? Since when did God say do as thy wilt to noones harm, Ray? I guess the watered down ministering of lying spirits found in the pulpit was enough to say is allright, after all everything is permissible but now beneficial. Waterdowned gospel does this to Christians like Ray Bolt. If you struggled for 33 years why give in now? Can’t judge Ray but God can and will. This isn’t falling, it is saying in your face God, for all it was worth. Jesus died for nothing.



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Bea

posted March 14, 2009 at 5:19 pm


Almost anything we do is a sin, intentional or not we are all sinners regardless and while gay lifestyles are in direct rebellion to the will of God who says we are to be separate and to be sanctified for Him and that we are not to judge lest we be judged. I believe that God doesn’t contradict Himself wnen according to His will for our lives as Christians to be set apart from the rest of the world. We still are not allowed to judge, Ray Bolt knows the word of God and if he still found that he needed to give in to the lusts of the flesh for the same sex being okay with God because God is Love and God forgives and God loves him unconditionally regardless then there is some conflict that needed to be resolved and the word of God was not enough to resolve it. What else could Ray Bolt do? Obey God and die to the flesh or just give in and when hell is in front of his deathbed maybe repent and get forgiven and all that? Since when did God say do as thy wilt to noones harm, Ray? I guess the watered down ministering of lying spirits found in the pulpit was enough to say is allright, after all everything is permissible but now beneficial. Waterdowned gospel does this to Christians like Ray Bolt. If you struggled for 33 years why give in now? Can’t judge Ray but God can and will. This isn’t falling away, it is saying in your face God, for all it was worth. Jesus died for nothing. It is one thing to know you are a sinner another is too flaunt it like a banner and pretend it is okay with God.



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Carlos Ortiz

posted March 20, 2009 at 10:33 am


I’ve heard nothing but negativity towards Ray Boltz. I am a Gay Christian… believe it or not. There is so much more that what people are telling us (ie the church in general). Gay Christians have a different interpretation of scripture from the mainstream Christians. And yet we’re met with hatred and some times violence. If you feel that homosexuality is wrong, fine. Just because it’s not for you doesn’t mean that it’s not acceptable in God’s eyes, regardless of what your interpretation of scripture is. Ray finally came to the point to be the person he was created to be, just like me. To point out and reference scripture would take a novel to explain, but I am secure in who I am. People, learn how to love and see people through the eyes of Jesus, our ultimate example. I respect you for your belief, please respect me for what/how I believe. TO RAY: Thank you for being an example to many who struggle with their homosexuality because they have been lied to for so long. I pray blessings on you and all your endeavors…



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Michael

posted March 28, 2009 at 7:39 am


To whoever wrote this comment;
“But how it all fits into the Christian church? I don’t have a clue.”
Let me give you a clue:
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Lev 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Lev 18:24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
I also have great compassion for the lost, gays included, but repentance for ANY sin means turning from it and not going back.
God makes it plenty plain here this too (homosexuality) is a sin.
Is it any worse than other sins; no, of course not.
There is no reason to cast them out of the church, otherwise, how do they hear the gospel and repent?
But allowing them an office or prominent leadership role before repentance is wrong.
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Kurmudge

posted April 1, 2009 at 5:22 pm


I am quite sympathetic to all parties- I feel love and compassion for Carlos and Mr. Boltz, and I agree that the purely judgmental attitudes that the evangelical churches have often exhibited toward brothers and sisters who have struggled with same sex attractions have not served the cause of Christ. At the same time, I also believe that there is a strong temptation in reacting to this sometimes non-empathetic and un-Christ-like attitude and take refuge in what Joe Dallas calls “a strange delusion”.
The problem is, issues with sexuality are significant, and very difficult because they go to our very base natures, and yet God doesn’t write exceptions into His “law” (New Testament Grace) because compiance is hard. let me give a parallel example. Suppose I am straight, but afflicted with hyper-sexualized satyriasis that has me walk around in a perpetually priapic state, continually aroused by virtually every female I encounter. My wife doesn’t understand, and thus does nto follow Paul’s instruction in 1 Corinthians 7 to tske care of me in a way that will dull the temptation lest I fall. She simply doesn’t see thta as her duty, she prefers the modern feminist cultural interpretations of “It’s my body, I only have to please myself.” So, I am suffering with horrific unrequited sexuality, and I have opportunities to sate the lust. I am tormented by the temptations; it is simply not fair, I know the Word, I don’t want to fall, but I finally give in and it is a blessed relief, physically and emotionally.
However, I feel a bit guilty as well. So I do a lot of research, and find theologians who can interpret the definitions of porneia and fornication to relate to attitude, and exceptions where the spouse is in error in denying her responsibility. Voila, I’m OK, You’re OK.
If I suggested that scenario as being reasonable, virtually no person would find it compelling. But how does that differ from Mr. Boltz deciding that he wants to indulge his inner longings and not suppress them any more? Who can say that the husband (or single person) in my example has a lesser sexuial compulsion than does a gay Christian? Is this not a double standard? At what point are the words of Scripture stretched beyond belief?
At the same time- the trite statement to “hate the sin and love the sinner”, while badly put, is still correct. It is surely true that there are gay Christians, because the Gospels and Epistles explain that to us, without tossing in exceptions for particular sins as absolute statutory bars. So a brother or sister who has committed to and accepted Jesus and His sacrifice and grace is saved by that grace, and just as with all of us, will be accountable for our conduct and behavior. And we will all get to explain and be judged by Him for our rationalizations of sin without “losing” salvation. But, understanding that, let’s at least recognize sin as sin.



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Geneonpark

posted April 9, 2009 at 5:38 pm


1 Cor. 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
Plain enough for me. Sad if someone thinks that God would put this in His word and then turn around and say that it doesn’t really mean what it says.



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grace

posted April 14, 2009 at 10:53 am


the comment made by one of you guys ” it is one thing to know you are a sinner another to flaunt it like a banner and pretend it is okay with God’ is totally true, most of us do so. nonetheless, sin is sin. i believe that Ray came out of his shell to tell us that he is struggling, i have been there and i believe its a cry for help so lets all pray for him, i love his songs and i believe God has deeply touched his heart, he is reaching out to us for help, lets not let him down. pray pray pray if God says homosexuality is wrong, he can get him out but it needs us to pray for all those who love Jesus and are caught up in this web. don’t judge, pray



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Dennis Clough

posted April 26, 2009 at 5:30 pm


I am saddened by Ray Boltz’s depature from his marriage to a gay life style. I have often been blessed by his music and videos. Whether it’s into the gay life style or adultery, staying close to Jesus by understanding the true make up of a Christian can keep anyone victorious in Christ. Solomon fell and David fell. Solomon never recovered spiritual victory although he was not lost. David recovered because he came to understand that he had an enemy within (in sin did my mother concieve me, Psalm 51). Paul speaks of this same truth in Romans 7; (“t is no longer I that do it (sin) but sin that DWELLS within me.” David also believed God had forgiven him when he confessed his sin. He also asked not to be saved again but that God would restore the joy of his salvation, thus showing that saved people can fall into deep sin and still remain eternaly saved. The issue is victory or defeat, not saved or lost. But here is a key element that many sinning Christians miss when seeking God’s forgiveness; David understands that the joy of personal salvation, which is the joy the Christian experiences when the Holy Spirit manifests His presence in the believer’s soul has PRESENT POWER. David knew this would cause an innner healing (that the bones which YOU (God) have broken might be healed). The fact that we Christians are often tripped up by our besetting sins discourages us. I am sure there was a release of tension when Ray and others decide to “give in”. Yet we must be certain from Scripture that Christ has made victory possible to every Christian over everything from our old nature that would enslave us to sin and keep us from maturing in Christ. Anyone born again, and I believe Ray is, has a new nature wherein resides the Holy Spirit forever. However, the Holy Spirit can be grieved and He can be “quenched”. Thus the believer is out of fellowship with Christ and since the new nature has no power apart from Christ, down we go. How to come back? Understand that God has not abandoned you no matter how you feel if the Name of Christ was ever precious to you and trusted by you. Then remember Jesus told Peter that he could have no fellowship with Him unless Christ washed him. Context shows He is not talking about washing in the blood. That’s a one time thing. Jesus is talking about having your mind washed in the water of the Word. As Peter’s feet came in contact with the dirty road and needed cleansing, so our minds are influenced by the dirt we see all around us in this lost world. So Christ minister His Spirit (often likened to water) through His word and cleanses us! Believe John 5:24 and know Christ is ALIVE and you CAN overcome any sin by His powerful Word and fellowship. Phillipians reveals that Paul’s desire to KNOW (experience in every sense) Christ was what motivated him to serve and do what he did. I hope this helps some one to recover and go on to victory. Believe God’s Word over anything including past failure and even conscience. God bless, Dennis Clough .



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Randy Jones

posted May 19, 2009 at 8:39 pm


I have loved this man’s music all through the 22 years that I have known the Lord and I truly believe that God has used him to write songs that minister to the hearts of men. While I will sincerely pray for him that God will give him peace, I am convinced that the only way that will happen is through repentance. My heart is broken over this. I only heard of it last week. I too have sin issues that I struggle with but I know that if I give in to them, I will get lost in them and my relationship with Jesus will suffer tremendously. I know that God still loves him and I don’t think that God will throw him away for this. But it must sadden the Lord that one of his mightiest voices in the CCM industry has been silenced and tarnished. I can’t cast judgment on him because I have struggles of my own. But neither can I agree with him that God made him that way. I think he gave up the good fight. I’ve thought about doing that a time or two myself, so I have sympathy for him. All I can do is pray that God will somehow restore him.



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ben

posted May 29, 2009 at 11:38 pm


so what if ray boltz is gay i say let him stay his still the greatest singer i know his music really touches my heart there are other gay cristian singers so let him stay.



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Your Name

posted June 27, 2009 at 3:52 pm


This is the saddest, disappointing thing I have heard in a very long time. He has touched many hearts over the years. I will pray for him, that God will lead him back. For anyone who reads the bible and understands it’s words, being a christian does not allow us to be gay. Sin is sin is sin, and being gay is not of God. It is clearly spelled out in the scriptures. Too many today want to live with one foot in church and one foot in the world, and still think that they are a christian. Satan tells us all lies every day to get us to fall. This behavior is what makes people question christianity.I will pray that somehow God will restore him, for no matter what we do, God still loves us unconditionally.



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Sonye

posted August 6, 2009 at 12:47 pm


Please read Romans 1:18 -25



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scadutz1951

posted September 14, 2009 at 8:56 pm


Sonye quoted Romans 1:18-25. I kept reading through verse 32 and this seems to tell the WHOLE Truth. I adore Ray Boltz…he is my favorite singer and I have many of his CD’s..the beautiful songs he writes and sings have always been an inspirationand a blessing to me. Truthfully, he was the first man I was attracted to when I started watching TBN 11 years ago. I was shocked and heartbroken for him when he first “came out”. It is such a shame that he allowed satan to get the better of when when he was married to a woman he did love and said something like it wasn’t “unbearable” to have relations with her.I myself have “burned with lust”, but the Holy Spirit kept me from acting on these feelings, Praise the Lord!! I only wish Ray was able to stay with his wife of 33 years and give those feelings of desire to his wife instead.I pray he repents before the Lord returns, which is coming soon as we are living in the “last days”.But I still love Ray…we are to hate the sin, but love the sinner. God Bless you all.



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Joanne Brokaw

posted September 15, 2009 at 9:10 am


One thing I would caution as we discuss sin: In God’s eyes sin is sin. There isn’t any grading curve. So “burning with lust” is the same as homosexuality in God’s eyes – or lying, gossip, adultery, hateful thoughts. It’s all sin (for those who don’t believe homosexuality is sin, I understand; I’m just trying to make a point here so please bear with me), it all keeps us from a relationship with God.
Sometimes we have a tendency to point a finger and think, “Well, at least my sin isn’t as bad as (insert other sin here).” Oh yes, yes it is.
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Your Name

posted October 9, 2009 at 5:34 pm


Joanne – I appreciate your kindness and pointing our all sins equally. But really – you’re equating same sex relatinships with things that harm like adultery?? I don’t get that at all. I know several gay people who live fulfilled lives with their spouses for decades. They have wonderful, close relationships with God as well. Being gay doesn’t hinder that in the least. How can you compare this to ‘burning in lust’ or cheating on someone and lying? How about looking in context and culture when reading Romans. there are definitely better ways to look at the bible that what has been taught by the mainstream.



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REV. WC

posted November 5, 2009 at 8:03 pm


Of COURSE being “gay” is a damnable sin! “Don’t deceive yourselves”, Saint Paul tells us in I Corinthians 6:9 (N.K.J.V.), “neither adulterers, idolaters….NOR HOMOSEXUALS shall enter the kingdom of Heaven.” Which part of “shall NOT enter the kingdom of Heaven” do you not understand? Sure, we all loved Ray Boltz’ music but Jesus Himself warned us that in the Last Days deceivers would come into the “fold” and mislead the “sheep”. Beware! Be warned! And “be faithful unto death and I will give you the crown of life.” (Rev. 2:10b)



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shebaka15

posted November 28, 2009 at 7:13 am


really this is not a debatable issue it is sin and that’s it.if it was so right and natural then why do gay people have to fight for “rights”and debate whether or not to “come out”.Honestly,this is so insane.



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Your Name

posted December 13, 2009 at 2:46 pm


REV.WC TELL THE TRUTH, THATS THE ONLY THING THAT WILL SET US FREE IS THE TRUTH AND JESUS IS THE TRUTH, BEING GAY IS A SIN.



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Emmanuel Michael

posted January 9, 2010 at 7:52 am


My heart bled for ray bolt whose song has ministered and molded many lives such as me. Tracks like “Give me Back My tommorro, Is ther heaven for me, Feel the nails, Heaven is counting on you” are songs that came out of a heart the once knew God. My brothers, tell it not in Gath, proclaim it not in the street of Ashkelon…. lest the daughters of the uncircumcised rejoice. Behold a giant has fallen. God has pushed him out to confess so that we(the once that are still standing) the priest of God through Christ Jesus can Intercede for him and build up walls prayers round about him. My heart bleds night and day, each time i remember that the one that help built and grouded my faith strays.
NO I won’t give in until he’s revived. Please join me in this cause and lets bring about his restoration on our knees, please.



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Kathie

posted January 14, 2010 at 11:34 pm


I, like many, are shocked and numb to the news – and AFTER being married all those years! GOD comes before ANYTHING and ANYONE but it seems he’s given in to his struggle. Please read: ROMANS 1:26-32. and LEVITICUS 18:22: 20:13. There is no denying the truth and it is not judging anyone. ( ONLY GOD can and will judge ) I will pray for Ray Boltz.



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Your Name

posted January 27, 2010 at 8:20 am


I know that there are a lot of you out there more learned than I in contents of the Bible but the thing that comes to me most is that when we accept Jesus Christ we, with the help of the Holy Spirit move away from sin and not towards it. Clearly the Old and New Testiment speaks of Homesexual acts. Even if Ray is Gay there is a choice to do or not to do. Paul had an affliction that he prayed daily for to be removed but God did not see fit to remove it but to place it there as a reminder to show Paul that God could help him even in times of personal trials. Just my thoughts, seems that repent and turn from the sin is what is not understood here.



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Tech Know Pastor

posted March 27, 2010 at 2:46 pm


The gay lifestyle is a house built on sand – shifting sand. God’s word is quite clear – and is not a debatable issue. One true God, one True Word.



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Jacqueline Love

posted April 15, 2010 at 9:05 am


God is greater than any fowl spirit. All Ray had to do is confess the truth to God 30 years ago that he was struggling with these feelings and deliverance would have come then. Now that fowl Spirit has a added 7 more spirits more fowl and the first. There is hope God will get the Glory….I will continue to pary for Ray. I love you my brother.



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Your Name

posted April 15, 2010 at 2:35 pm


ppL ARENT BORN GAY AND IT ISNT A RACE, THOUGH PPL WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE THIS.. There are sometimes differ reasons why ppl turn towards this lifestyle, and I will give you a few? Sometimes ppl who where molested at a young age will later in life be inclined to be with the same sex because their innocence was stolen and they feel safer w/ the same sex because of the trauma they went through! Sometimes its a generational curse and somewhere in the family there was a gay relative, or parent! And that homosexual sprirt landed on that member and now wants to continue in the family.. Alot of ppl dont know about generational curses and ppl perish for lack of knowledge.. But The Lord has come to set the captives free and break all Strongholds in the Mighty Name Of Jesus!! A person can be deceived and still think hes walking w the lord ,but light and darkness cannot co-exist together!! Yes, God loves the gay person, but he is a holy God and ppl are trying to make God a free for a love and that he loves everyone no matter what? Sin does separate us from the Lord until we do repent! Now, their are many ppl out there woh have lived a gay lifestyle and told how God set them free from that life!~ Sometimes ppl find the fight to hard and succumb to the enemy lies!By then homes are torn apart and childrenare left to pick up the pieces and try to move forward, whether that be a gay parent or a divorced home! When we live life according to Gods law, then we dont have to try to fix every little thing, because life flows more smoothly by the Holy Spirit. But when we get into works of the flesh, then thats were life becomes more complicated and frustrated! Yes, WE ARECALLED TO LOVE THE SINNER, BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE HAVE TO PULL ONE ASIDE IN LOVE AND CORRECTION. lOOK IN THE BIBLE AND SEE FOR YOURSELF? Tina



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Suzanne

posted April 15, 2010 at 6:29 pm


I suspect that the few Christian gay professional musicians who have come out of the closet are the tip of an iceberg. There are likely other closeted Christians artists who would lose their livelihood if they were to become open about their activities. Unfortunately, those people closest to them in the industry (i.e., producers, managers, etc.) do not want to expose them because that would also cost them revenues and the artist would simply find another person to handle their business affairs. In addition, based on my experience, sexual sin among straight Christian artists is rampant, although it is not generally out in the open. These actions by both straight and gay Christians are simply indicative of a broken church at large and a general unwillingness of Christians in positions of authority to appropriately address sin.



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Calvin

posted April 18, 2010 at 3:34 pm


Sad Sad Sad. He needs to be counseled regarding sin and repentance. God can heal him and restore him if He would submit to godly men and publicly confess, repent, and turn to Christ. I pray for his family and wish the best for them. May God go before us and be our guide in these matters.



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David

posted April 18, 2010 at 11:59 pm


Those who commented here have it very easy. It’s easy to say “that’s a house built on sand” and “that’s sinful” when they don’t know what it’s like to develop strong feelings for people of the same gender. Homosexuality is a naturally occurring phenomenon among humans (and our closest relative, the bonobo), so to call it “sin” and waste all this effort and energy to fight it where it occurs only leaves those who have those feelings hurt and frustrated. This man fought his feelings for 30 YEARS. If God wanted him to be attracted purely to females, then why did God make him the way he is? Furthermore, why did God create “sin” in the first place if he hates it so much?



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Victoria

posted April 29, 2010 at 6:48 am


Y must u off all people give a gay a thought after tryng to avoid tt 4 that long i love ur songs nd thank God 4 u but am kind of dissappointed but i’l 4 u bro Ray



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Marty

posted June 7, 2010 at 12:46 pm


Gen 13:13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.



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daniel evans

posted June 29, 2010 at 5:17 pm


yeah for those who are caught up in their scriptures about how evil homos are get over it. the same bible also says you need to be put to death for working on the sabbath,talking back to your parents, eating shrimp, and having an uncircumcised penis.. its a two thousand + year old book, dont you think you need to be more progressive and less condescending? it seems you all are as bad as the Westboro Baptist Church!!! there are more problems in the world than two men who love each other. Take yourselves to task for your closeminded, hypocrisy. preserve the sanctity of two straight people who go to vegas get drunk, then get married, and refuse the two men who love each other the opportunity. wow. if its so wrong why did jesus himself never talk about it? hmmm… idk maybe its not a big deal??



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danyomah nelson

posted August 3, 2010 at 5:19 am


please let us not get the scriptures very wrongly,i do enjoy the lyrics of boltz and i am always inspired by it,i feel very sorry for him.But please lets make things straight the holy bible emphatically make it clear on the issue of homosexuality please lets not twist the scriptures to our favor because the bible makes us to understand that we not remove or add anything to the holy bible please.Lets only pray that this fine artist gets in tune with God one more time.NOTE lesbians and gays would not have a place in the kingdom of God as we saw in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah.



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Jason

posted August 4, 2010 at 5:30 pm


If you believe that gays choose to be gay, then you are incredibly stupid. Seriously. Who ever heard of anyone choosing what sexuality they were going to be? That is so unscientific. But thats also so right winged. You believe that the earth was made in seven days…
If you believe that gays are born that way, and you believe in God, then you either believe that god made gays, or that God made gays to go to hell to prove his power and majesty or whatever it is you believe.
I have gay friends and one of them attempted suicide because he was gay.
There was no choosing to be gay there. He wouldnt have chosen gay at all. So you people need to get off your high horses and see that all men are created equal, and that God loves. Its the right winged bigots that are the haters…



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Steve D. E.

posted September 7, 2010 at 2:51 am


We “right wing Christians” are all considered “haters” and bigots, just because we do not believe that God condones homosexuality. It seems appropriate to me that you “supporters” of gay rights should remember that we ALL are sinners…both self-proclaimed as well as those who deny it…and NONE OF US are exempt from the penalty of sin unless we repent of it. So listen close…I too am a sinner who really believes that I am not fit for the kingdom of God. His grace reaches out to me every day, thank God for the “tresspass offering” that Jesus gave to us. Thank God for redemption. Sins that I struggle with at this point in my life are of a different sort…all of us have unique and profound weaknesses. We are not judged for our weaknesses, rather for our wrong doing. If it’s wrong don’t do it, don’t justify it, and don’t defend it. I am not a bigot for believing it, it’s just the way He has instructed.



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Shannon

posted September 10, 2010 at 3:01 pm


Proverbs 23:2 says “put a knife to your throat if you’re given to gluttony.” Yet I have never once heard this preached from the pulpit and most of the deacons in the churches I went to were obese. These fat believers are in no more danger of going to hell over their sinful lifestyle that two men who love each other are over theirs. EVERYONE has a sinful lifestyle, and I struggle with calling a loving relationship sin. But if it IS sin, it’s no worse than any other sin. God’s grace is there for all who call upon the name of the Lord and it’s not our place to judge others. We need to focus on removing the plank out of our own eye before we freak out about the speck in a gay persons eye.



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Jason

posted September 10, 2010 at 3:48 pm


Religion is like a penis.
Some people have it, some dont.
Its ok to have one, but dont wave it around in public, and dont shove it down people’s throat.
Excuse the crude language, but thats what the majority of Christians are doing today.
They wave their “morality” around trying to make everyone live as they live regardless of whether or not they want to.
I can think of a ton of issues you guys could be out there rallying against instead of homosexuality.
War, hunger, poverty, abuse, hurting people. All those thing the church could be rallying against, but in reality they cant rally against it because THEY ARE THE CAUSE of most of those problems.
So dont say that we are all sinners, when you have already condemned homosexuals to hell, and placed yourself in heaven.
Because even if you arent perfect, you have placed yourself in heaven, and homosexuals in hell.
How bout you find something else to condemn… Thats all I am saying.



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Ash Tom

posted September 22, 2010 at 7:42 am


We can just pray to God that he might deliver us from the wicked satan who uses out weakness to irritate God.



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Joel

posted November 3, 2010 at 10:43 am


Homosexuality is wrong and it is a sin! But that is not what the devil wants us to say. Remember, there is a judgement Day ahead. Fear the wrath of the God. It is not judging, but only passing the warning.
A man born with a strong desire to kill others (say cut women and children in pieces) is not justified. He has to change. He has to repent of it and God of grace will deliver him from that nature. So is the homosexuals. They must confess it as sin and must forsake it. We may argue and justify, but remember, there is only one God whose judgement will rule all! Can our little argument or justified sin really be justified before this great God? If yes, your God is not the God of the Bible. If no, better stand in His Word lest we be destroyed. Perhaps, God is trying to warn those who say sin as ‘no sin’.



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followerofchrist

posted November 3, 2010 at 5:09 pm


How can you(ray) even say that you are still christian?? you have been a christian for this long and have NEVER known how to deal with your feelings for men?? You get the demons cast out from inside of you, thats how!!! May God open your eyes to see what you have become. the least you could do is NOT wear the christian name tag!! you are just shaming Christ. May HE have mercy on your soul for misleading so many christians.



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followerofchrist

posted November 3, 2010 at 5:17 pm


Ray states “I don’t think anyone goes to hell (whether that’s an eternal fire or an eternal separation from God) because they’re gay.”
Well ray, What if they DO?? Can you believe what it will be like when the church will be taken up to heaven and you are left behind just because you DIDNT THINK!! Well how about you state something you KNOW, and not give all the others false hope. i am so dissapointed, you were my favorite singer, i listened to you all day long, and now as soon as i hear your songs my heart aches, i cant listen to it anymore..



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Andy

posted November 5, 2010 at 8:42 am


Even if you think that homosexuality is wrong, hate-spewing and judging is the worst thing you can do. If these people are truly wrong, pray for them. Pray that God would reveal that to them. Their sexual orientation is honestly none of our business and no one has any right to say “You are going to hell because you love this person”. If they are a gay Christian that is between them and God. If God gave them the okay, that should be good enough for you.



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Joel

posted November 5, 2010 at 2:20 pm


It is a matter of truth and standing for that truth. If we truly know God we will contend for that faith. It is not a matter of judging others. Faith is something we should contend for and die for for it. One of the apostasies today is compromise and tolerance. We don’t see that in the early Church. They were persecuted for the truth of the Gospel. God loves men and He hates killing children. God loves to see us follow holiness between husband and wife, He hates man and man or woman and woman. Homosexuality is abomination! I am not again Mr. Ray, but against that sin of ‘men with men’.



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RUTH CHISHIMBA

posted November 19, 2010 at 9:12 am


the scriptures shall never be broken, the same word of God that He used to create the whole world without pillars is the same word God will use to jugde every human being, God has exalted His word above His name. Just as it is written in Romans chapter one (Romans 1:27,32)”in likewisw also the men, leaving the natural use of women, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemingly,and recieving in themselves that rcompense of their error which was met” this is how abominable homosexuality and lesbianisn look before God and now see verse 32″who knowing the judgement of God, that they which committ such things are worthy of death, not only do the same,but have pleasure in them that do them.” Homosexuality and lesbianisn is sin, and no sin will go unpunished if not repented. “do not be decieved God is not mocked for whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap” “for our God is a consuming fire” and it is a fearful thing to fall in the hands of the lord. Because jugdemnt has not been excuted speedily the hearts of men are set to do evil. God will not contradict Himself. Christ JESUS has the power to break the power of sin homosexuality inclusive. may God open your eyes so that you mat realise your spiritual state, repent and call on the name of JESUS to set you FREE IN JESUS NAME!



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Jonathan

posted December 21, 2010 at 4:12 pm


Homosexuality is no different from any other sin. Homosexuals should not be ostracised. It’s another matter entirely though to say that their lifestyle should be accepted. Sin is sin. “Coming out of the closet” is giving up on fighting that sin. It’s basically slapping God in the face and saying “this problem is bigger than you.” Let’s pray for Ray Boltz.



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Mike Goudling

posted January 25, 2011 at 11:23 am


U canot treat gay behavior the same as other sins, its unnatural for a man to lie with a man. If a man leaves is wife and commits adultery with a women its a sin ,but it natural for a man and women to become attracted to each other.So do not compare it to all sins, it can be forgiven if confessed. The pedifyer was born to molest a child so he says but is it right . NO its an unnatural SIN.
So there are Natural Laws adn Unnatural laws adn homosexuality is one of them.
Love you Ray praying for you



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Tessa

posted March 29, 2011 at 1:41 pm


Throughout the bible we are told of God not supporting such behavior. Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of this very sin. Homosexuality is an abomination to God.

Leviticus 18:22 – “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.” (NIV)

Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

As we draw closer to the end of time and Jesus’ return, the demons of homosexuality will continue to possess the spiritually blind and clueless individuals. Yes the very same demons that possessed the people in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, are indeed taking control of our men and women today.

We all need to realize that homosexuality is not of God and is NOT part of His plan for His people. Was not Sodom and Gomorrah destroyes by fire and brimstone. Surely this is not God showing His for the people who take part in this kind of behavior.



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Kevin Webb

posted May 5, 2011 at 4:17 pm


So God made you realize that you were gay so that you could get a divorce from your wife and destroy your family? I don’t think so.

The Bible is very clear on homosexuality, as well as divorce.

We can already judge the fruit that has been produced by your new sinful revolutionary lifestyle. It broke your family apart, which is one of the first things that God ever established.

Homosexuality goes against God in several ways, including in relation to creation. God designed man and women in a way that they could produce life. They were designed to live in unity together, male and female.

A male and a male cannot produce life, neither can two females.



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Tee

posted May 14, 2011 at 11:18 pm


never did ‘Jesus the Christ’ condemn a homosexual-at least it is not recorded so. Paul may have but he was NOT ‘the Christ’.



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Rod

posted May 18, 2011 at 2:02 pm


I’ve always been tempted to look at women sexually. Pornography is a temptation. What freedom I would feel if I could find a christian pornography embracing church. Wow, what a joy to find a community to love and accept me the way I am.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted July 13, 2011 at 11:37 am


Those people who say/believe that “homosexuality is no different from any other sin” are either fools or simply lack discernment. (And/or common sense.)

How loving someone is the moral equivalent to murdering someone escapes me. Ever hear of the concept of HARM?

Jonathan (from whom I used the quote), next time your wife (you DO have one, don’t you???) asks, “Does this dress make me look fat?” and you say, “No”, you better remember that bearing false witness is also a SEEYUN, “no different from any other”. YOU (and everyone in the world) bear false witness every single day.

Get. A. Clue.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted July 13, 2011 at 11:44 am


@ Kevin Webb,

“God designed man and women in a way that they could produce life. They were designed to live in unity together, male and female.”

Um, I hate to point out the obvious, but that would be God’s design for HETEROSEXUAL people. Not all of God’s children are heterosexual. Seems God planned it that way (since it’s been that way for all eternity) – an d you don’t happen to like it.

“A male and a male cannot produce life, neither can two females.”

Neither can infertile heterosexuals. Yer Point? I mean, we DO let non-procreative heterosexuals marry and THEY can’t reproduce.

No wonder you self-described “Christians” get so much grief. The sheer volume and intensity of hate here astounds.

Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/gospelsoundcheck/2008/09/ccm-veteran-ray-boltz-comes-ou.html#ixzz1S05g4jWE



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Grumpy Old Person

posted July 13, 2011 at 11:47 am


@ tessa,

Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of this very sin.”

Um, the Prophet Ezekiel says you are wrong on this. Better check it out.

“Homosexuality is an abomination to God.”

As is eating lobster, clams, shrimp. Yer point?

Leviticus also tells us we should put gay people to DEATH. Do you follow that little section of the Bible? It also says that we should put victims of incest to DEATH. Do you follow that little section of the Bible? It also says we should put disobedient children to DEATH. Do you follow that little section of the Bible?

Selective fundamentalism does NOT become you. Or any other follower of the Christ.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted July 13, 2011 at 11:49 am


“the demons of homosexuality will continue to possess the spiritually blind and clueless individuals”

This does NOT describe the life of Ray Boltz, as per the article. Nor most gay people, for that matter. Would you say the same thing about Ted Haggard?

Bearers of false witness, vipers, cease your hate of God’s gay and lesbian children. And stop bearing false witness about them. It’s a seeyun!



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Grumpy Old Person

posted July 13, 2011 at 12:01 pm


@ Mike Goulding,

“U canot treat gay behavior the same as other sins, its unnatural for a man to lie with a man.”

Not for homosexual mn it isn’t “unntural”. It’s the most perfectly natural thing in the world. You are referring to heterosexual men.

“If a man leaves is wife and commits adultery with a women its a sin ,but it natural for a man and women to become attracted to each other.”

Again, it is only “natural” for heterosexual men and women to be attracted to the opposite gender.

“So do not compare it to all sins”

Why not? All the other “Christyians” on this site do.

“it can be forgiven if confessed.”

So the “sin” of homosexuality cannot be forgiven if confessed? Please give us the ENTIRE list of such unfogivable sins. It would save a lot of time.

“The pedifyer [sic] was born to molest a child so he says but is it right.”

I’m pretty sure that comparing consenting, adult human same-gender behaviors to child-molestation is STILL against the Rules of Conduct here on B’net, loosely (as in VERY) enforced as they are these days. Meanwhile, back to the argument – you actually believe that loving, commmitted, adult, consenting human same-gender relatinships are in any way comparable to child-rape? A little discernment please.

“Love you Ray praying for you.”

If this is your expression of “love”, I’d not want to see what hate looks like from you.

STOP LYING about God’s gay and lesbian children. Stop the hate; stop the hurt. It’s filth like yours that cause Boltz to enter into a false marriage in the first place – to placate bigots like YOU.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted July 13, 2011 at 12:38 pm


““Coming out of the closet” is giving up on fighting that sin.”

No, JOnathan. Coming out of the closet is finding the courage to be honest. It is (finally) admitting that, when God made gay people, God did NOT make a mistake. It is finding the inner strength not to live a LIE asnymore.

“It’s basically slapping God in the face and saying “this problem is bigger than you.””

Wrong. It is saying, ‘God, you knew me in my mother’s womb and found that it was good.’

“Let’s pray for Ray Boltz”

I certainly will be praying for him. Praying that schyte like this crap you wrote stops forever. When you say these things “about the least of these” you are saying them about Christ Himself.



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Bryan

posted July 21, 2011 at 9:40 pm


Just curious if all these professed theologians missed the part about fighting this for “30 years”. He did what you taught him to do and guess what—he spent the better part of his adult years living a LIE(this from a religion that spouts off so much about honesty…unless your gay of course…then lie to yourself)—and unfortunately an innocent woman and children became victims of his attempt to be “un-gay”. I am glad to be free from the bondages of religion. From 0-20 years – Christian. From 20 – 30′s – Ex-Christian and Believer in logic and not ashamed at all.



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David Bruner

posted August 25, 2011 at 6:59 am


I wish I could vote like\dislike people’s comments. Thankfully, there are a lot of sane responses from Christians on this site. It reaffirms my faith in humanity somewhat. I was starting to think all people where apathetic, selfish and self righteous.



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James

posted September 5, 2011 at 1:28 pm


Ray Boltz made a profession of faith in Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ commands his disciples to keep His commandments. Jesus stated that if a man claims to follow Him but does not keep His commandments that man is a liar. Jesus said, His sheep hear Him and follow Him. Ray Boltz, is not only unrepentant of Sodomy, but now glories in this abomination. Ray Boltz, has been given over to his sin, and has now become a biblical reprobate. The Christian community should not be shocked, this has always been and will always be a reality in the visible Church. There will always be individuals who profess to know Christ, join the visible Church, but walk in rebellion and ultimately perish in their sin and rebellion. The biblical mandate for the Christian community is to mark and denounce the unrepentant professor and have nothing to do with them.



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Troy

posted October 14, 2011 at 10:11 pm


There is no way gays can be accepted as part of the Christian church. Whosoever even consider such practice as acceptable are not worthy of the vocation for which they have been called.I must admit that I was a great fan of Ray Boltz, as a matter of fact he was my favourite gospel artist, however the news of him being gay has caused me not even to want to hear his music much more to see the videos. I strongly believe that christians cannot disassociate themselves from these kind of persons, however as Paul in the book of Thessalonians teaches that any brother who is a fornicator we must not keep company with, I believe the same apply for any other of the sexual sins, to include homosexuality. There is certainly no place in the Kingdom for those who practice homosexuality. For those who are seeking an avenue of hope to continue this abominable act, just be informed that you will not find any such comfort in the church. God will not go against His word to accomodate this sinful practice, you must decist, repent, turn from it and live a holy life unto a Holy God.



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John the second baptist

posted November 4, 2011 at 9:35 am


In Romans 1 verse 27 when it says, “leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another;” it indicates that the lust was already there. We all have a bent toward sin. we choose our sins. People are the same. 1 Corinthians 10:13 says, “There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man”. In other words, it affects everyone. It is common. You are not coming out as a Gay, but as a sinner just like the rest of us. (Fight the good fight)



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Asenath Eldred

posted November 24, 2011 at 10:25 pm


Then how do you interpret the verse in Revelation chapter 22 that says clearly that homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of heaven? The Jesus thing to do is love them but not their sin just like Jesus loves us but not our sins.



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Matt

posted December 6, 2011 at 9:28 am


I am a man, and it would seem that all men have to struggle with sexual sin. (Maybe many women too, but I don’t know. For men, it’s seems to hit 100%.)

I have great compassion for those who struggle with being homosexual, but the Church cannot accept the practice of that sin any more than they should allow the practice of heterosexual sin.

Getting specific, I have “natural tendencies” to look at half dressed or nude women and think sexual thoughts. When directed toward my wife, that’s holy. Anyone else? Not holy. Not acceptable. It’s something that must be confessed as sin, rejected as sin, and overcome in the power of the Holy Spirit.

So the answer for a homosexual is the same as the answer for me: it’s not sin for me to have this issue. It is sin if/when I act on it.



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Matt

posted December 6, 2011 at 9:53 am


One other thought, after reading some of the other comments: Paul told the church in Corinth (1 Cor. 5) to put that man out of the church BECAUSE he was living in adultery with his father’s wife AND still claiming to be a Christian. The man wanted everyone to accept him as a Christian and go along with the belief that it was fine for him to live in that sin.

This is what Ray and the author seem to be asking us to do: accept that a person can be a Christian even though they are living in open, unrepentant sin. And that’s where Paul and the Bible make a distinction.

I know, it’s a fine line between all the sinners in church (we all are) who are trying to follow the Lord but still fall sometimes, and those who call themselves Christian and instead want to continue in their sin and call it normal. It’s a fine line, but in most cases, not a hard line to discern: you’re either broken over your sin or you’re relishing your sin.



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Tom

posted January 1, 2012 at 8:12 pm


Folks who rely upon the Bible for moral guidance frighten me. Please, people read the whole Bible – not the decontextualized verses used by your pastor to prooftext his sermon or by your devotional author to validate his platitudinous words of wisdom. Allow the dissonance to embrace you, rather than dishonestly, desperately, and daftly struggling to harmonize the incongruities.



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Thomas Martin Walsh

posted February 10, 2012 at 9:09 pm


Okay so this started a few years ago but apparently it is still proving to light a fire under some!

I for one in representing my own views and opinions really struggle with some of the comments made in this forum!

It was hard enough for me to hear the news that Ray Boltz had stepped away from God, his wife of 33 years and his family as well because of a loss of self control and not a matter of born intuition!

A gifted man who wrote/co-wrote with Steve Milliken such songs as “The Lamb”, “The Anchor holds”, “I think I’ve seen gold”, “The Shephard Boy” and “Thank You” to name just a few that have had such an impact on so many lives for Gods Kingdom saddens me!

I believe that Ray Boltz didn’t just pop the words from his music/songs off the top of his head, they came from seeds planted in his heart as a child of God, as a believer in Christ Jesus, he was inspired by Jesus Christ, not homomsexuality!

I’m sure altough his family all love him dearly, it does not lessen the blow of knowing he must some day he must stand before God to answer for his sins as must we all.

And that regardless of whether we think or beleive that our sin is “Acceptable” or justified because we as a society attempt to normalize our sins, will not lessen the punishment if we did not or will not turn from temptation and as Christ said “go and sin no more”!

Much worse, is having a small number of those who are no doubt tied to the homosexual community speak out in protest to the comments made in this forum that are from scripture and the Gospel truth!

Regardless of whether you believe in acts of the Old Testiment and “Sodom and Gamorrah”, do not second guess God, Revelations or the second coming of Christ!

It will happen, it will be ugly for many and life on earth as many now know it today will come to an end, and all will be judged, the living and the dead!

That my misguided friends is written and is factfrom the oldest history book in the world, the Bible!

God helps us all!



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Brenda

posted May 3, 2012 at 7:34 pm


It surely is a choice.Lust of the flesh. Yes God will forgive him, but he will pay the price for his sin.That will be between he and our Lord Jesus.But it is surely a SIN
AGAINST HIM AND ALL THOSE WHO HAD FAITH IN HIS GOD. WE MUST PRAY FOR OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TO OPEN HIS EYES.



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klr

posted June 11, 2012 at 12:11 pm


why is it when a Christian “comes out of the closet” with a huge sigh of relief (which is temporary as he has gained the world but lost his soul by grieving the Holy Spirit)it makes news and gets lot sof attention. Why not so much pomp and circumstance when a gay person gives their life to Christ and is delivered from that lifestyle? Why don’t they get heard all over straight and gay press? because that wouldn’t help the devil’s cause, that’s why.



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Auri

posted July 1, 2012 at 11:19 pm


I am saddened that the enemy of our souls has taken this precious man of God captive. I am being a helper in prayer and standing in the gap for him until he turns back home again. Let’s refrain from criticism and religiosity and do as Jesus would have us do.



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Itsallofhim

posted August 20, 2012 at 4:31 pm


Not sure what Bible your reading…but HIS BIBLE says — if your practicing fornication with the same sex…your on your way to hell. I feel for Ray Boltz…(this is totally late in coming — i was just thinking of him today) So I’m praying — MERCY and GRACE on his life. There isn’t any black or white with JESUS — it is what it is. He needs to repent and ask for forgiveness …and then if he feels he can’t come out of the bondage he’s in…he needs to just stay abstinent. PERIOD!!!



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Glen B.

posted August 23, 2012 at 12:11 am


Keep up this crap. Keep playing with fire, all you so-called “Christians” and before you know it, we may have fire rained down on us just like Sodom & Gomorrah! Keep on acting “Progressive” and “Open-minded” to the ideas of “GAY CHRISTIANITY”. You are playing with fire, People! If we don’t have any pinciples, GOD can very easily destroy us! If there is no holiness even in the Bride of Christ, HIS CHURCH, Then we are doomed!! We MUST stand up for what is righteous! Tell the truth. Homosexuality is an abomination in the sight of GOD and he DID NOT Create any Man or Woman to be Gay! We cannot accept this homosexuality in our praise music with open arms! NO!!! Yes, we should treat them with love, but they should NOT be in any position of power in the church until they turn away from their wickedness! Don’t be Wishy-washy with God’s principles. Tell the truth although you will be persecuted and called “Intolerant”. YES, I am Intolerant to homosexuality in the church!!! Don’t sugar-coat it!! What is wrong with you people? Bad teaching is what it is. I cannot believe what I am hearing… What is “acceptable” in the church nowadays. And I’m not even an old man. I’m 42… If this is the state of the Church, then our time is short. God is coming very soon. You better get your heart right, people. Stand up for something instead of falling for anything! God help us all…



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Jeffers

posted December 10, 2012 at 10:09 pm


Being gay is a sin and the sad/beautiful truth is that God loves Ray and all of us not matter how much we have hurt Him with our constant sining; however, He hates sin. Sin is punishable by eternal death. The mistake the Ray made is he fought this with will power and other psychlogical means. He should have fought it in the spirit for it is actually a demonic spirit that’s now has him. Not a popular view, but I gaurantee that it is the truth. Too many persons are under such bondage and misinformed society has convinced them that is biological or psychological. It’s actualy spiritual that only Jesus Christ can help him and all others of such life styles and he is not likly to get help unless he wants it. Most people who are demonical influenced don’t even a clue that they are. You may scoff but this is so real a threat to all of us.Lord help us help them!



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k

posted August 3, 2013 at 6:23 pm


I am deeply saddened how deceived Boltz is.. He is leading millions to hell with him by doing what he has done. Ray repent before it’s too late. God WILL JUDGE YOU AND YOU WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM. This is truth, “you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free” , but he chooses to believe a lie come back home to Jesus.



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Dennis

posted March 9, 2014 at 5:23 am


I was just looking for “The Anchor Holds” on YouTube to share on my FB page, when I saw the news about Ray Boltz Coming Out of the Closet. My reaction was, “What?!” In the same instant I heard, “Who among you wants to cast the first stone?”



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Mark

posted August 23, 2014 at 1:01 am


Yet another hypocrite decides to blaspheme God’s Holy Name by associating Him with sin.

Ray, you need to repent as commanded by Jesus. You lied to your wife, your son, and to God.

Every authentic Christian knows that we all sin, but we struggle with it and we NEVER condone it. You on the other hand spit in God’s face and you pervert His Holy Name.

You are an enemy of the Gospel. Go start your own religion instead of blaspheming the name of Jesus. You are like the very hypocrites Jesus criticized more than anyone.

You made a covenant with your wife. Be a man. Honour it. You think you can be saved without repentance? Read what Jesus taught.

You are supposed to be the spiritual head of your family. Not a man of deceitful, hypocrisy, and unrepentant perversion.

I pity you. Your pride has embraced the love of yourself, and your genitals.

Repent Ray. There are thousands of ex-homosexuals who are living transformed Christian lives that you would do well to learn from.

You are not just living in darkness… You are promoting it and keeping people from hearing the real truth – From hearing the Gospel.

You love your sin more than Jesus…. Your message is the exact opposite of Jesus.

Repent and trust in Jesus. Become an ex-homosexual. Become born again… Which is what we all must be to see heaven.

Then start reversing the incredible damage you have done and are doing to the Gospel.

As long as your identity is in sin, and perversion, you are living under God’s wrath.



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