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Ann Coulter is to Christianity as … (by Becky Garrison)

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Here’s an intriguing SAT-style question.


Ann Coulter is to Christianity as …


(A) Dr. James Dobson is to Sponge Bob Square Pants
(B) The new thought movement is to common sense
(C) Marilyn Manson is to Satanism
(D) Dick Cheney is to gun control
(E) Richard Dawkins is to reasoned debate



The correct answer is C. Both Ann and Marilyn found a profitable way to utilize religion as a provocative tool to feed their cash cow. Ann appeals to the base instincts of her rabid followers that right makes (Christian) might. Conversely, Marilyn attracts the kids of control freak parents who want to rebel from what can best be described as a rigid and repressive regime. I’ll let the Satanists deal with Marilyn Manson, but please, do not interpret Coulter’s trademark viciousness and venom as viable Christian virtues.


I thought when I reported on Coulter’s “faggot” comment that this political pundit committed career suicide. But I was wrong. But given that even Fox News condemned the latest Coulter snafu blasting the Jews, one can hope that she will be off the airways for good.


This is not to say there isn’t a place for insult humor. While covering The New York Film Festival, I had the opportunity to catch John Landis’ new documentary Mr. Warmth: The Don Rickles Project. Landis took me on a journey that enabled me to sample the depth of this fearless comic and actor. In particular, I was impressed by the plethora of comedians including George Wallace, Chris Rock, and Sarah Silverman who praised him for his “take no prisoners” attack dog approach. Throughout the movie, I was reminded that to be insulted by Rickles was indeed the highest compliment. Also, Landis showed us Rickles’ softer side by illuminating the kindness he shows towards his family, friends, staff, waiters, and even strangers that he encountered offstage.


Watch this documentary and you’ll see how people double up with laughter whenever Rickles reams them. In fact, they jockey for position just so they can be part of the act. Coulter proclaims in her latest book, If Democrats Had Brains, They’d be Republicans, ” I am the illegal alien of commentary. I will do the jokes that no one else will do.” She might think she’s funny, but her targets aren’t amused one bit.


For Rickles, hurling insults is an act. In Coulter’s case, spewing venom appears to be a lifestyle choice.


Becky Garrison’s further critiques of Ann Coulter can be found in her Amazon short, Contemplating Coulter Christianity, as well as her forthcoming book, The New Atheist Crusaders and Their Unholy Grail: Their Misguided Quest to Destroy Your Faith (Thomas Nelson, January 2008).



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moderatelad

posted October 12, 2007 at 3:42 pm


OK – so is this article about Ann or Don?
Am I to comment about what Ann has said or should I say that I would really like to see the doc. about Don?
GGIH – what happened to talking about caring for the poor – Darfur – ending poverty – etc?
It seems like every article has to take some conservative and figuritivly linch them on the tree of journalism so that we can promote some agenda. What the %^&* are you people going to write about if there is not a Rep in the White House. Conservative leaders that have been vilianized on this site are being extracted to their heavenly reward so there might be so few for you to attack.
When is the next ‘photo opt’ that will be the next ‘love fest’ article here on Sojo.
So – let cut to the chase, we understand that most if not all the writers on this site believe that…
…Bush is bad
…the Left Behind series is dribble
…conservative evangelical church leaders are the cause of all the ills of the world.
…Red Letter are more important than all the black letters in the bible.
…if we would just stay home, radical Islamists will leave us alone.
…the Iraqi people were better under Saddam and his morally superior leadership.
…let’s talk about religion with out any specifics because all roads lead to Heaven.
…etc etc etc.
NOW – can we talk about something of substance without mentioning Bush – Conservatives – Evangelicals – etc.
Have a great weekend -
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Peter

posted October 12, 2007 at 3:59 pm


I completely disagree with your generalized interpretation of this site and the people who read it. Ann Coulter is a leading right-wing evangelist who plays as loose with the truth and fact as she claims left-wingers do. It’s hard to back Ms. Coulter or identify with her version of Christianity–or shall we call it GOPianity–when she focuses more on marketing to her base than on being accurate and balanced.
While I do feel the Manson/Satanism comparison to Coulter/Christianity was intentionally provocative (and unnecessarily so), the author has a point: both people are marketers who know who butters their bread.



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Davis

posted October 12, 2007 at 4:03 pm


Wow………..mod, do you need a hug?



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Chris

posted October 12, 2007 at 4:04 pm


“But given that even Fox News condemned the latest Coulter snafu blasting the Jews…”
Actually, Fox News simply reported the exchange. They did not condem her remarks, at least not in the link provided.
And they shouldn’t. No news organization on anything other than the editorial page should pass judgement. Yes, I realize that’s a pipe dream, but when I was a journalism student we were grilled if we ever inserted our opinion in any of our stories.
What, exactly, is wrong with Coulter wishing for Jewish people to becoming Christians? Isn’t that the point of the Great Commission, to preach the Gospel to all nations?
No doubt her style won’t win over many people, but fundamentally desiring Jews to become “perfected” by becoming Christians is not wrong.



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Moderatrlad

posted October 12, 2007 at 4:19 pm


Posted by: Davis | October 12, 2007 4:03 PM
Guy hug only – right now I am a little too big to get your arms around. But I am 32 lbs lighter than I was 2 months ago.
Blessings and have a great weekend!
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Eric

posted October 12, 2007 at 4:22 pm


Ann Coulter is an embarrassment. I feel bad for people who have to put up with her.



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Josh

posted October 12, 2007 at 4:28 pm


“NOW – can we talk about something of substance without mentioning Bush – Conservatives – Evangelicals – etc.”
Sure, as long as we can agree that the conservatives who post on this site can be unfairly pigeon-holed as believeing that…
…Bush is the greatest president we’ve ever had and is God’s mouthpiece.
…James Dobson and Ann Coulter represent outstanding Christian thinking.
…the American mega-church holds the key to salvation for all people.
…everything said in the Bible (and on Christian radio stations and FOX news and World magazine) is equal.
…if we bomb the heck out of radical Islamists, they will leave us alone.
…thanks to the US, the Iraqi people are skipping through the streets and not getting killed at all.
…the way to seek after lost souls is to shout at them and tell them why they’re wrong.
Let me be clear – I don’t believe this stereotype. My point is that if you truly believe what you wrote in your post (if you believe that’s who left-leaning Christians really are), then we are so very far away from being able to have productive conversations about anything substantative.



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Doug

posted October 12, 2007 at 4:32 pm


The problem liberals have with Ann Coulter is she speaks the truth and they can’t handle the truth. Christians in america today and especially liberal christians are soft and have bought into the worlds way of living. Ann tells it like is and gets blasted for it. I personally wish all christians had the boldness to speak the truth like Ann Coulter does. I wonder if liberal christians would even know who Jesus is if he returned today being how they have watered down and made a mockery of his message. I know I will get accused of being mean spirited and maybe not even a christian by libs on this site and that is ok and even to be expected. When truth is not on your side you will resort to anything to save face. I just wish one liberal on this site who says he or she is a christian could please explain to me how they could possibly be a liberal. Please do not bring poverty or any other social issue up in your answer. Yes those are important but not what I am looking for. If conservatives and liberals can both claim to be christians yet have very different views on how to live life here on earth how can we both be worshipping the same God? We can’t and that means one of us is following the Devil and not God. I will explain why I think I am right to be a conservative Christian later as I am pressed for time right now.



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Moderatelad

posted October 12, 2007 at 4:36 pm


Posted by: Peter | October 12, 2007 3:59 PM
‘…shall we call it GOPianity…’
Please – that is so lame. But if it makes you feel better – go for it.
‘…Coulter is a leading right-wing evangelist…’
I sorry – I have never heard Ann refer to herself as an ‘evangelists’, please get your facts straight. She professes to be a Christian, (I believe that she is Catholic) and I believe that she is a believer.
Of all my friends, both Liberal and Conservative put their Faith First and then look at their political perspective and how it matches with their Faith. (not the other way around) But you can believe whatever you want to believe if it makes you feel better.
‘…are marketers who know…’
I do hope you but Wallis right in there with the rest of them. He panders to his base just like Robertson and others. (I believe that there is some ‘base envy’ on his part)
Have a great weekend!
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Rick Nowlin

posted October 12, 2007 at 4:43 pm


The problem liberals have with Ann Coulter is she speaks the truth and they can’t handle the truth.
Just the opposite — she lies like the devil (pun intended), and if you call her on it she calls you names. If she ever started slamming Christians you wouldn’t feel so good about her



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kevin s.

posted October 12, 2007 at 4:48 pm


“What, exactly, is wrong with Coulter wishing for Jewish people to becoming Christians? Isn’t that the point of the Great Commission, to preach the Gospel to all nations?”
Sure, but you don’t use this idea to simply insult people. If the topic of the discussion were, for example, violence amongst Jewish citizens, and Coulter said that she thought this spoke to the need to embrace Christ, then she would be in the right. But that is not how she framed the discussion.



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squeaky

posted October 12, 2007 at 4:52 pm


Wow, Doug…just…wow.
Explain to me, please, why it is you equate one’s political leanings with the quality of their faith?
There’s this little verse that says something like “speak the truth in love.” Where is the love in your judgemental post? Where is the love in Ann Coultier’s rhetoric? Help me understand how Christ’s love shines through her. I don’t see it, and seems to me, it should be obvious…



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Andy

posted October 12, 2007 at 5:23 pm


Gee, Doug, I must have been home sick the day they sent out the memo that told everyone that you make the rules on who can and cannot be a Christian! If you read the New Testament, you’ll find that it tells us that what one does re. the person of Jesus Christ that makes us saved/right with God/born again, not what side of the political fence they fall on. I also refuse to submit myself to your rules of what one can and cannot bring up in responding to your question. The issue of what one does re. the poor/disenfranchised is crucial to how a person can be a Christian and be politically liberal. Come to think of it, the question of what we do re. the poor is also crucial when it comes to whether or not we’ll be allowed into God’s kingdom at the final judgment (Matthew 25). And if we get back to the traditional, and some would say real, understanding of what makes a person’s politics conservative or liberal, it becomes a great deal easier to see how a devout Christian can be either. True conservatism has to do with a belief in small government, low taxes, low government spending, a strong defense, and government keeping their noses out of people’s everyday lives, including their business lives and their personal lives. True/traditional conservatism has nothing to do with a person being “pro life”, for example. In fact, Barry Goldwater, who some would say was the last true conservative, was “pro choice” on abortion. He believed that what a woman did with her own body was between her and her doctor, and it was none of government’s business. True liberalism is about believing that our government, because of its resources and power, has a responsibility to redress imbalances and injustices in our society. Notice I didn’t say whether I am either conservative or liberal; I’m just telling you how a Christian can be either.
On to Ms. Coulter: As Rick Nowlin pointed out, on several occaisions Coulter has publicly, in her writings and her TV appearances, called people names. The passage in her book–the one that claims that the 9-11 widows are enjoying their husbands deaths, calls them “harpies” and says that their husbands would probably have divorced them if they hadn’t died on 9-11–springs to mind, not to mention calling John Edwards a “faggot”. Her assessment of the “9-11 Widows” was not “the truth”; it was her opinion only, an opinion which, BTW, she was confronted about by her Fox News friends. You may agree with what she says, which is fine, but that doesn’t make it “the truth”.
Now, if someone understands why/how she and Bill Maher are good friends, you’re much smarter than me!



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squeaky

posted October 12, 2007 at 5:28 pm


Moderatelad,
I’m just wondering on what basis you defend Ann Coultier. Let me put it this way, if a liberal Christian used the same approach speech she does, I would not defend that person, even if I agreed with him or her politically. I wouldn’t be able to side with them because they are not being Christlike when they claim to be a Christian, and their hateful rhetoric betrays that. Out of the heart the mouth speaks, right? There is nothing defensible in that behavior–so what is it you are defending with regards to Ann Coultier?
Congrats on the weight loss, by the way–what’s your secret?



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Don

posted October 12, 2007 at 5:39 pm


Doug, Ann Coulter is a slanderer. She violates just about every Scripture that talks about watching what we say and being careful with our tongue–the Letter of James, for example. Get me a concordance and I could probably easily find a dozen Scriptures that she and her vitriol violate on a regular basis.
Not to mention the Ninth Commandment (or Eighth in the Catholic and Lutheran numbering).
How anyone can defend her hate speech in the name of Christ is beyond me.
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Carrick

posted October 12, 2007 at 5:42 pm


Doug said:
“Christians in america today and especially liberal christians are soft and have bought into the worlds way of living…I personally wish all christians had the boldness to speak the truth like Ann Coulter does.”
Here’s a sampling of the truth Ann preaches:
“The ethic of conservation is the explicit abnegation of man’s dominion over the Earth. The lower species are here for our use. God said so: Go forth, be fruitful, multiply, and rape the planet — it’s yours. That’s our job: drilling, mining and stripping. Sweaters are the anti-Biblical view. Big gas-guzzling cars with phones and CD players and wet bars — that’s the Biblical view.”
“I don’t know if Bill Clinton is gay. But Al Gore – total fag.”
“I think our motto should be, post-9-11, ‘raghead talks tough, raghead faces consequences.’”
“We should invade their [Muslim] countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”
Doug – get off your high horse.



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squeaky

posted October 12, 2007 at 5:48 pm


By the way Doug–I don’t have much to add to Andy’s response, as I think he explains things quite well. However, I would like to say this:
This is my observation of politics and Christianity. If you have a hard time seeing how one can be a Democrat and a Christian, think of it this way: From what I can tell, Republican Christianity is more in line with God’s judgement and law. The Democratic party is more in line with God’s grace. It is not easy to reconcile God’s role as judge, as we see most clearly in the Old Testament, with God’s sacrifice of love and grace, as we see most clearly in the New Testament and in Jesus. Is one more important than the other? No. Can you understand God to the exclusion of one of these views? No. Is God fully God without one of these aspects of His personality? No. If, then, you look at politics as representing two aspects of His personality–His judgement and His grace, it may at the least be a little easier to see how one can be both a Christian and a Democrat, and how one can be both a Republican and a Christian. Maybe it comes down to what part of God’s personality we understand best or “value” most. The reality is, we should not value either of those aspects more than the other, and if that is the case, both Republicans and Democrats should be equally valued as having important perspectives to bring to the table.
In any case, politics can never perfectly represent God. By valuing only one political party at the exclusion of the other shuts down a perspective that, quite frankly, may represent part of God’s personality. This is the wisdom of our forefathers in creating three branches of government–they recognized that in order for our democracy to work, even dissenting voices need to be heard and considered. So, your lambasting of the Democratic party not only denigrates the principles this nation was founded on, but it denigrates part of God’s personality.



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Alicia

posted October 12, 2007 at 6:03 pm


I think that Donny Deutsch, who was interviewed on the “Today” show this morning, had the best response. He said, of Coulter’s remarks, “It’s Over, It’s boring.”
If people stop listening to Coulter’s “smart-mouthed adolescent” pronouncements, she will eventually stop talking, particularly if she stops selling books. She reminds me of the character of Otto (Kevin Kline) in “A Fish Called Wanda.”
Or, as Jamie Lee Curtis’s character said to Otto,” “Calling you stupid is an insult to stupid people.”



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Alicia

posted October 12, 2007 at 6:06 pm


If you recall the movie, Otto is so entranced with his machismo that he sniffs his own armpits while reading Nietzche. Sound like anyone we know?



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Bill Samuel

posted October 12, 2007 at 6:37 pm


Ann Coulter said some outrageous things in that interview, but Becky Garrison ignored them in favor of attacking something that was not outrageous.
Becky needs to read the Gospels. They are simply chock full of Jesus pointing to himself as the fulfillment of the Jewish tradition. The “Who do you say that I am” passage in all three synoptics makes it clear that he was the predicted Messiah.
Why is pointing this out anti-Semitic? I found nothing anti-Semitic in the interview.
Becky is attacking the Christian faith in the guise of attacking Ann Coulter, someone who is indefensible. Well, Becky, we can see through that.
Sojourners was once a Christian ministry. But it has really lost its way.



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Kristi

posted October 12, 2007 at 6:56 pm


Thank you Squeaky—
Yes it is the nasty, vicious, demeaning, and just down right rude way that Coulter comes across with her opinions that I find anathema to Jesus’ message. I have PLENTY of conservative friends and family, and we respect each others ways of living out Jesus’ commandment to “love thy God with all thine heart… and to love thy neighbor as thyself.” But NONE of us throw screaming neemie attacks at each other. We agree on many things, like abortion, and we disagree on others, like whether women should be pastors. But we still expect to see each other in heaven. Can you say the same, you neocons out there? Jim Wallis et al, simply state that we are not fully answering our Christian commission, if we lack compassion towards the poor, or if we support violent means for example. No one is saying that you all are going to hell, yet many of you would say that of us. We still love you—do you love us?



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kevin s.

posted October 12, 2007 at 7:03 pm


If there is one thing I can offer in Coulter’s defense, it is that she did lose a good friend, Barbara Olson, on United 93. She became very angry, and refused to correct the column (which begins endearingly enough) that would send her on the road to lunacy. She was fired from the National Review, and now wastes her talents as a sort of literary shock jock.
Instead of moderating her stances, she has made money by continuing to espouse a very shallow assessment of the political landscape, punctuated by public outbursts that barely even qualify as polemic. And she is being paid handsomely to do so. She is published, dates famous (and, ironically, liberal) people.
As top-tier graduate from Cornell and the Law School at the University of Michigan, she is no dummy. I would be interested in her real thoughts on issues, rather than this sort of self-parody she is presently conducting.
Perhaps we would do well to ignore the fringes and pay attention to the legitimate dialogue, if the latter is what we hope to see flourish.



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Trent

posted October 12, 2007 at 7:31 pm


Moderatelad,
curious how no one has responded yet to the earlier blog about Child Brides, yet you begin this posting with a diatribe about how such things are not discussed. hmmm.
and I wonder if all those who criticised kevin s in the last post have read his well-balanced and thoughtful (as always) comments here.
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James Palmer

posted October 12, 2007 at 7:59 pm


“and I wonder if all those who criticised kevin s in the last post have read his well-balanced and thoughtful (as always) comments here.”
Oh geez… Just kidding. I appreciated Kevin’s comments about Ann C.–though I still vehemently disagree with most of his other comments. That doesn’t mean that I don’t enjoy reading them.
My question is this, why do we bother with her? Whatever relevance she may have once enjoyed has long since been replaced by, to use Kevin’s words, “self parody.”



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Gordon

posted October 12, 2007 at 8:06 pm


My take on Ann Coulter is that she is principally engaging in parody of the far left. Looked at that way, much of what she says is hilarious.
I don’t much care for her style, as I think we could all benefit from a more dignified and respectful public discourse. But the things she says aren’t much different in tone from the sort of over-the-top outrageous things said all the time by people on the left.
When you write articles about her work, you are doing exactly what she wants, IMO. The whole point of her style is to get a rise from the left. You would be much more effective by just ignoring her.



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Hali

posted October 12, 2007 at 8:37 pm


“moderatelad” wrote:
“…Red Letter are more important than all the black letters in the bible.”
Red Letters give meaning to all the black letters in the Bible.
Shabbat shalom and Eid mubarak!



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Moderatelad

posted October 12, 2007 at 9:22 pm


Posted by: squeaky | October 12, 2007 5:28 PM
Not always defending what she says – just her right to say it. I have felt that some of her comments have been a little over the top. I have read some of her books and she has researched them well. What she has put into print about some – if it were a lie, I believe that they would have sued in a heart beat. Most of the time her comments are about the persons actions or affilations and how they do not jive with what they say. She has attacked and it was wrong. But even then – most of those were in responce to something they did or said.
Blessings -
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Anonymous

posted October 12, 2007 at 10:34 pm


Ms Coulter seems to be addicted to the adoration she gets from the hate-filled, dysfunctional people she gears her remarks to. Anyone even nominally functional will find her too repulsing and mean spirited after an initial curiousity about her. Unfortunately, too many in the media have given her a platform just because she attracts attention, kind of like a car-wreck. Lets hope that she will fade into obscurity now that most people can see her for what she is, a very broken soul, not an inspiring thinker or speaker.



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Wonderment

posted October 13, 2007 at 12:34 am


Ann should remember that some of the Red Letters contain great advice. “Don’t cast pearls before swine.”
Christians shoul dnot talk doctrine with non-Christians, and certainly not anti-Christians.
This is why I do not try to convert Progressives. Some Rabbi once said that he’d rather be in a concentration camp than become a believer in Jesus as the Messiah.
Nothing came of it.
Ann should continue to correctly identify Liberals and Progressives and leave Christian ideology and theology for more effective handlers of that portion of the Christian Community.
Just let the dust fall from her feet and settle where God intends it to be.
Donny



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Amazon Creek

posted October 13, 2007 at 1:11 am


Shaking my head…
My take? Ann Coulter loves being the center of attention – and will go to great lengths to get that attention. Best approach is to ignore her.
The best way to show people that she does not represent Christianity is to ask God to live His life and love through us – and then to let our light shine.
It’s been said that people who who must come into contact with counterfeit currency and be able to recognize it, don’t spend half as much time studying counterfeit currency as they do studying the REAL THING.
The more you become acquainted with the real thing – the more that which is false blares off the page at you.
Moral? Spend our time, not worrying so much about someone like Ann Coulter, but in becoming so familiar with God’s thoughts and character as revealed in the Scriptures – that you spontaneously SEE the difference.
Many Christians spend too much time reading and listening to what OTHERS say about God and Jesus Christ. And not enough getting alone with God and going one-on-one with Him in His Word and talking to HIM directly.
We need more direct contact and face time with the pages of the Scriptures and more pouring out our hearts to God.
THEN…you automatically see the difference between what Jesus Christ and the apostles did and were – and what Ann Coulter does and is. It’s as obvious as a counterfeit twenty is to the Feds.



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Mick Sheldon

posted October 13, 2007 at 1:16 am


If the topic of the discussion were, for example, violence amongst Jewish citizens, and Coulter said that she thought this spoke to the need to embrace Christ, then she would be in the right. But that is not how she framed the discussion.
Posted by: kevin s
Kevin it appears she was asked the question . I would never go up to a guy
and his girlfriend who were living together and say you know this is sinning .
But what could you say if someone asked you if it was a sin ?
Also the culture in liberal judaism in out culture in the USA is that Evangelizing of any religion is wrong .
I have read many liberal Jews
explain to me they consider it an insult to them or other people .
When people come to my door and evangelize
a different faith as they will sometimes , I actually consider it a compliment that they would care enough , I Love the Lord and am Home in my faith . Unless you are rude , people need to lighten up some I think .



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Amazon Creek

posted October 13, 2007 at 1:20 am


By the way, I would join hands with what the apostle Paul said during one of his many interrogations – “How I wish that all men were like me, except for these chains.”
Or as BJ Thomas once sang in a song, “I would wish you so many things….but….I wish you Jesus more than anything.”
I DO wish everyone knew the relationship with God that accepting the forgiveness in Jesus Christ gives. There is nothing comparable. It is truly “peace not as the world gives.”
But…I would hope that by my actions and attitudes and the way I treat others – other people would know I mean those words – as sincere and heartfelt “wishing you good things”.
Somehow, I cringe when Ann Coulter says something like that – again because of her daily actions and attitudes. It is clear she means something different in wanting everyone to be a Christian. It is more of a control thing.



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MarkSouthFL

posted October 13, 2007 at 2:13 am


As a Jew, I don’t really find Ann’s comments anti-Semitic. She hurls abuse at everyone else…it’s nice not to be excluded. And by the way, she also insulted the Episcopal Church, at least.
I agree with Amazon Creek — Ann craves attention. That’s why she makes outrageous remarks and dresses like a (well, I’d better not say that, it got Don Imus fired), and acts like a cartoon character. Every time I hear her latest pronouncement, in my head it’s followed by Porky Pig saying, “Th-th-th-th-th-that’s all folks!”
And of course, Ann has a constitutional right to say what she wants. But if you say something stupid, other people have the right to call you on it.
As for Becky, I have known her for a long time, and I can assure you she has read the Gospels more than most people. And if she invited me to church, I would go. In fact, I think I would rather go to church with Becky than go fly fishing with her.



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Big Daddy

posted October 13, 2007 at 3:44 am


I’m an actual Jew. You know the one Ann Coulter was talking about.
And, coincidentally I’m a born again Christian.
I’m not insulted by Ann’s Comments.
I’m DELIGHTED by them.
Unlike the meely mouth scaredy cat half baked Christians that fire pot shots at her from their keyboard fortress, Ann had the boldness to share a truth that changed my life over 10 years ago.
Thank you Jesus for Ann Coulter.
Ann…do not be discouraged by these cheap shot fair weather friends. Trust me. You are on the right path…



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Big Daddy

posted October 13, 2007 at 3:50 am


“Some Rabbi once said that he’d rather be in a concentration camp than become a believer in Jesus as the Messiah.”
Wow! That’s as powerful a statement as I’ve read in a long time.
And yet I have no doubt that it’s true.
So sad. So tragic. Such deception.
If only he knew. If only he could see…



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Bob

posted October 13, 2007 at 6:12 am


“He believed that what a woman did with her own body was between her and her doctor, and it was none of government’s business.”
The thing is, it’s not about the woman’s body. We’re not talking about her arm or her leg; we’re talking about what she does to another person — her child. if she has an abortion, she kills her own child. Conservatives traditionally look down upon mothers killing their children, and can’t see why liberals don’t seem to have a problem with it.



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Hal Weiner

posted October 13, 2007 at 7:39 am


Oh puleeeez! As a Jewopalian ( silly me, I thought
I was joining mainstream Christianity when I opted
for the Episcopal Church after my personal encounter
with Christ, who I assure you is laughing his butt off at some of you all too earnest Christians here)
I am deeply offended by being told by Ms. Coulter,
a twit if I ever read one, that I need “perfecting”.
Perhaps I do; but not at the hands of such as her.
I will take my chances with God and Jesus on my
faith in grace. Nobody gets outta this world alive.
But just because someone went to law school ( or
Divinity School ) doesn’t make them either a lawyer or divine. Just human. The difference between Ann Coulter and the aborigine in The Gods Must Be Crazy is that unlike Coulter,he doesn’t take himself seriously. Perhaps Ann should lighten up and rediscover her personal Coke bottle. It’s not just for drinking anymore.
Knowing Becky, I think she can handle the criticisms levelled at her here. Just remember,
frogs, you may not have the proper credentials
to give her, or me for that matter, singing lessons.



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Some guy

posted October 13, 2007 at 8:27 am


Big Daddy,
If you take the Devil’s Advocate position (which of course is Liberal/Progressive) and do the required Biblical study you will see that Ann Coulter has done nothing wrong. And you will see that Lib-Progressives will not study the Bible as it contradicts everything they desire except war for government, which of course opposes Islam far more than anything Christians ever do. But they won’t go there because “who” drives Liberal and Progressive ideology is busying setting up his powers and principalities over the western world.
And Hal Warner,
First off, read Isaiah for “anti-Semitism” to be preached against the people we now call “Jews.”
Also, ALL of the first followers of Christ (which means Messiah) were “Jews.”
“Ann” is not judging nor condemning anyone. She needs to get real if she thinks she’s going to be an apologist anytime soon, but she has said nothing “wrong.”
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JCinSunnyLA

posted October 13, 2007 at 10:30 am


I just posted this on “Devils and Dust”, by I want to be sure of connecting with Mick, so here it is again. I cannot comment at this time about Ann Coulter until my meds kick in.
Mick:
I am likewise sorry for my impulsive outburst. I forgot to take my medication yesterday. Although I try to be clear about my feelings, I sometimes give people the wrong impression, and that is my biggest gripe with the whole “pro-life” movement. Buffalo has been the scene of many ugly displays of self-righteousness on the part of some who would make political hay out of a serious issue. There have even been cases of pro-lifers aggressively harassing women who want their children simply because their obstetrician happened to share office space with an abortionist. One woman wrote a letter to the editor several years ago describing just such an incident where she was nearly knocked down a flight of stairs.
Politics and religion often make poor bedfellows. There are many shades of gray to the issue, as “pro-lifers” and “pro-choicers” accuse each other of having a hard heart. Some obviously do, but many others are struggling with the ethical dilemma posed by God’s decision to give us all free will. There is not enough emphasis on helping mothers make the RIGHT choice, and too much emphasis on making that choice for them.
The biggest crime in abortion on demand happens to be the notion that it is just another form of birth control, and a woman’s right to “choose” when many are made to feel that they have no choice at all. Of course, there are those that merely do not wish to give up their “choice” to be totally free of responsibility for their actions. I sometimes feel that many pro-lifers believe aborted fetuses are being sent to Hell. I sincerely hope and pray that they realize that God would never condemn innocent life, and has made provision for their entry into eternal life. As such, I feel no need to weep for the children who will never experience life in this evil world. Rather, I weep for the mothers who cannot see other possibilities, and I am dismayed by those who do not realize that life most assuredly begins at conception.
I can see that many of us are in agreement in what is spiritually correct, but political correctness gets in the way of serious discussion on how to approach the issues. The label of pro-choice has been co-opted by those who are committed to making abortion a routine medical procedure with no ethical overtones. I have a difficult time understanding how some believe that transporting someone else’s child across state boundaries to have an abortion without the parent’s knowledge is moral when they would condemn others for buying the child an ice cream cone. It is proof positive that, while it is God’s creation, this is Satan’s world.
This is what makes the Neo-Con philosophy of pre-emptive, pro-active involvement in creating the Kingdom of God before Christ returns so dangerous. Many Liberal Democrats and Conservative Republicans do not realize that their judgmental attitudes towards those who disagree with them make fertile ground for the growth of apostasy and the irony of bringing the Antichrist to power. My only consolation is the fact that God most assuredly knows what He is doing even as we often do not understand why He has allowed such an evil world to exist for so long.
On a personal note, I find that my blogs make a little more sense when I compose them with Word and review them before I copy and paste them online. Still, I feel most inadequate in expressing my feelings and often question my own understanding of what is expected of me in my walk. I previously indicated that my biggest disability is Major Depression caused by Post-Polio Syndrome (among other things). However, the truth is that I have been hamstrung since earliest childhood by my inability to forgive myself for being less than perfect and by the guilt and shame of doing what I know is wrong in God’s sight. Ironically, I find it much easier to forgive others for what they have done to me, but I am nevertheless frustrated by their blindness to the pain they have caused others. It is not my right, nor is it within my power, to forgive what has not been done to me. Nevertheless, I must resist the temptation to pass judgment in God’s stead. I must admit that when I look back on my past I have seldom been able to stand on my own two feet and I am often all too reluctant to ask Christ for His help when I need it most. I thank God that He has never abandoned me to my foolish ways.
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Rick Nowlin

posted October 13, 2007 at 10:58 am


Conservatives traditionally look down upon mothers killing their children, and can’t see why liberals don’t seem to have a problem with it.
No, not “traditionally.” Abortion has been a factor in the conservative agenda only since 1978, when the “religious right” began using it to get votes, and in fact many secular conservatives couldn’t care less.
“Ann” is not judging nor condemning anyone. She needs to get real if she thinks she’s going to be an apologist anytime soon, but she has said nothing “wrong.”
As I mentioned above, she lies like the devil and lambastes anyone who tells her so. If that’s not nothing wrong, then nothing is wrong.



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JamesMartin

posted October 13, 2007 at 11:09 am


“I think that Donny Deutsch, who was interviewed on the “Today” show this morning, had the best response. He said, of Coulter’s remarks, “It’s Over, It’s boring.” ”
I would attribute his trying to sweep this incident under the rug less to his forgiveness and compassion and more to trying to cover for a politicial ally who made a very bad gaffe. Donny Deutsch doesn’t let go so easily of blunders made by liberals for whom he has no sympathy.
I can only hope that Ann finally attacked the wrong people this time and that her speaking engagements and lucrative book contracts dry up and to borrow a phrase from the so-called “Great Communicator” that she and her vitriolic statements and up on the ash heap of history.



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JamesMartin

posted October 13, 2007 at 11:14 am


If there is one thing I can offer in Coulter’s defense, it is that she did lose a good friend, Barbara Olson, on United 93. She became very angry, and refused to correct the column (which begins endearingly enough) that would send her on the road to lunacy. She was fired from the National Review, and now wastes her talents as a sort of literary shock jock.”
Too bad you couldn’t accord that same understanding to Desmond Tutu who suffered under an Apartheid government that received a great deal of support from Israel.



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JamesMartin

posted October 13, 2007 at 11:20 am


“When people come to my door and evangelize
a different faith as they will sometimes , I actually consider it a compliment that they would care enough , I Love the Lord and am Home in my faith . Unless you are rude , people need to lighten up some I think . ”
Well, that is your perspective. I would guess that it is a perspective that is not informed by having 2000 years of ancestors being subjected to abuse, pogroms and concentration camps at the hands of so-called Christians. People need to be a little bit more sensitive, I think, and try to walk a mile in somebody else’s shoes before they simply tell them to “lighten up”



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JCinSunnyLA

posted October 13, 2007 at 11:32 am


Hi y’all! I have done a quick read of the posts on this thread, and I must say that I am most impressed by the thoughtfulness given to the subject of what constitutes Christian behavior in the political arena. I have selected the following excerpts for further comment:
From Hali-
“moderatelad” wrote:
“…Red Letter are more important than all the black letters in the bible.”
Red Letters give meaning to all the black letters in the Bible.
Shabbat shalom and Eid mubarak!
Posted by: Hali | October 12, 2007 8:37 PM
Hali:
I couldn’t agree with you more, and wrote something a couple of years ago that makes the very same point.
THE PROGRAM OF LIFE
The Bible is a Program:
Full of Life Edifying,
Written by Life Eternal,
Given for Life Everlasting.
It is the Key to finding Humility
Amidst the False Pride in Humanity.
Without God, nothing would exist—either spiritual, or material. There would be no good or evil, or anything in between—if, indeed, there were anything between spiritual and material, good and evil. Just who is to define the parameters of life and refine the lessons of life but God Himself—God Almighty—Maker of Heaven and Earth and of ALL things, both visible and invisible?
Jesus Christ had a temper. It was amply displayed on more than one occasion when confronted by hypocrites. Since He was God in the flesh, He never really lost control of His temper; but He made it very clear that the “moral” authorities of His day were headed for Hell and He became somewhat enraged by the moneychangers in His Father’s Temple. He didn’t CONDEMN anyone for his or her sins; He would never usurp His Father’s authority. But He had only scorn for ignorance of the fact that “all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God” (Romans 3:23).
There is no denying He considered us all worth dying for—if we could only BELIEVE. His ultimate sacrifice opened the door to anyone with the price of admission (the admission of guilt and shame) and a burning desire in one’s heart for His Way and His Father’s Will—which are one and the same—to be the way of each new day. To guide us in our walk through life, He left us a blueprint for Christian living in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew: Chapters 5-7).
He gave greater meaning and purpose to the Ten Commandments and focused their life-sustaining power upon the two core principles of a life worth living after all is said and done:
And Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength” this is the first commandment.
And the second is like; namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”
(Mark 12:29-31)
Those who truly love THE LAW do not view it as a tool of control over others, but a means of personal redemption—insofar as God may allow us to believe that we have any way of redeeming ourselves. The hard truth is that there is no redemption without His Grace and Mercy. May God have mercy on those who think otherwise.
From Amazon Creek-
Many Christians spend too much time reading and listening to what OTHERS say about God and Jesus Christ. And not enough getting alone with God and going one-on-one with Him in His Word and talking to HIM directly.
We need more direct contact and face time with the pages of the Scriptures and more pouring out our hearts to God.
THEN…you automatically see the difference between what Jesus Christ and the apostles did and were – and what Ann Coulter does and is. It’s as obvious as a counterfeit twenty is to the Feds.
Posted by: Amazon Creek | October 13, 2007 1:11 AM
Amazon Creek:
Right on! And more power to you for hitting the nail on the proverbial head. We can’t get much out of the Bible when we are reading into it.



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kevin s.

posted October 13, 2007 at 1:08 pm


“Too bad you couldn’t accord that same understanding to Desmond Tutu who suffered under an Apartheid government that received a great deal of support from Israel.”
I called Ann Coulter a self-parody. Do you really want me to apply the same understanding to Desmond Tutu? If St. Thomas didn’t invite Ann Coulter to speak, I would have no problem with their decision.



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squeaky

posted October 13, 2007 at 1:12 pm


Kevin S–
Good comments–and ones I can agree with. From what I gather from what you say about her, she is one who should be pitied rather than reviled. I’m sorry for her loss, and for the fact she is wasting her talents. She is responsible for how she uses the gifts God gave her, and it is sad to see someone waste them. It is sad to see her turn her grief into bitterness–the more she plays that tape in her head, the less likely she will be able to break from its grip. And certainly the attention she gets only furthers to encourage her to go down that road.
Ignoring the fringes is certainly a great stance to take.



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Mick Sheldon

posted October 13, 2007 at 2:35 pm


Well, that is your perspective. I would guess that it is a perspective that is not informed by having 2000 years of ancestors being subjected to abuse, pogroms and concentration camps at the hands of so-called Christians. People need to be a little bit more sensitive, I think, and try to walk a mile in somebody else’s shoes before they simply tell them to “lighten up”
JamesMartin
Jame the people who come to my door and Evangelize are not Christians . The most people killed in the recorded history of the world in wars was in the last century . Outnumbers all the previous centuries . The wars were started by secualarist , the evil of gas chambers and the multitudes who died because of their sexuality , race , religion was conducted by pagans .
. One of the great things in this country is freedom of religion , not freedom from religion . Yes I aggree , religion has no great history either , one of the greatest things about America is not one religion is considered better then another by the government . You even have a right to condemn them all , but you don’t have a right to prohibit the free exercise there of .



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posted October 13, 2007 at 2:46 pm


religious right” began using it to get votes, and in fact many secular conservatives couldn’t care less.
Where I live the liberals will go out of the way to exploit you if your pro life , as will the religious left .
The religious left in Washington state is nothing like the majority of posters here who at least advocate for life but question a law stopping abortion rights at the present time .
So this is encourgaging to hear when I hear this from the rest of you here , as usual there are those who will take this issue and make the people who support life as being insincere .
That is a common tactic I see in political politics from either side .
Also in the Seattle area the churches have formed a coalition to promote gay marriage .
In my own experience locally , which is I have always seemed to believe was most important fir me the pro life local politcal movement is quite diverse . Mostly republicans , but a large percentage of Catholics , diverse ethnic groups , also . Too radical for me , but not at all concerned about making republicans look good . In this state Partical Birth Abortion was supported way over 60 percent .



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canucklehead

posted October 13, 2007 at 3:30 pm


It is indicative of both the quality and the quantity of the grey matter some have/don’t have that they would give “Tantrum” Annie the time of day. She’s now getting the attention that she obviously never rec’vd in what must have been a wonderful childhood. Christian? Right! As one wag once said, “by their fruits you shall know them!”



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Rick Nowlin

posted October 13, 2007 at 3:40 pm


So this is encourgaging to hear when I hear this from the rest of you here, as usual there are those who will take this issue and make the people who support life as being insincere.
What are you talking about? I for one support the sanctity of ALL human life, not just the unborn — and I have consistently made that clear. But there are those who oppose abortion only for the power it gives them — admit that it does happen.
In my own experience locally, which is I have always seemed to believe was most important fir me the pro life local politcal movement is quite diverse.
The same here — although Democrats dominate in my city many are Catholic, plus even many of the mainline churches are often evangelical and conservative. “Gay marriage” doesn’t fly, either, and “partial-birth abortion” was already illegal. But those decisions are not made at that level.



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Anonymous

posted October 13, 2007 at 5:54 pm


I called Ann Coulter a self-parody. Do you really want me to apply the same understanding to Desmond Tutu? If St. Thomas didn’t invite Ann Coulter to speak, I would have no problem with their decision. Posted by: kevin s.
No. The point is that you found some reason to pity Ann Coulter on some level and had no words of understanding of any kind for Tutu. Truly a double standard.
You even have a right to condemn them all, but you don’t have a right to prohibit the free exercise there of. Posted by: Mick Sheldon
Who said they want to prohibit the free exercise of religion?
The wars were started by secualarist, the evil of gas chambers and the multitudes who died because of their sexuality , race , religion was conducted by pagans. Mick Sheldon
A valid point but let’s not forget the silence of the vast majority of Christians in WWII as well as the complicity of other Christians. That point certainly has not been lost on Jewish people who are very sensitive to the issue of proseltyzing. That is not to say people don’t have the right to go door to door. But it is rather insensitive to tell people to “lighten up” when a good measure of their apprehension has to do with 2000 years of persecution at the hands of Christians.



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Annie (UK)

posted October 13, 2007 at 6:44 pm


This woman sounds dreadful, far worse than our Northern Irish Ian Paisley. What sort of responsible TV organization gives her air time to expound such irrational and evil ideas? What possible witness is she to the love of God in Jesus Christ or New Testament loving, forgiving, sacrificial Christianity? Does she make the World a better place in any way? Does she reflect any of the fruits of the Spirit? Her bitterness and unkind attitude is not going to make her warped version of Christianity attractive to anybody except her fellow bigots. It saddens me that any true Christian would even consider her views acceptable.



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JamesMartin

posted October 13, 2007 at 8:53 pm


The previous post was me.



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kevin s.

posted October 13, 2007 at 10:06 pm


“Good comments–and ones I can agree with. From what I gather from what you say about her, she is one who should be pitied rather than reviled.”
I would rather ignore her.
“No. The point is that you found some reason to pity Ann Coulter on some level and had no words of understanding of any kind for Tutu. Truly a double standard.”
These are entirely different discussions. The question on the other thread was whether we could overlook potentially anti-Semitic remarks. With Coulter, we absolutely cannot. I believe we should ignore Coulter so that she either changes or disappears from the limelight. I am not suggesting any such thing for Desmond Tutu, whose words carry substantially more weight.



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payshun

posted October 13, 2007 at 10:34 pm


“The problem liberals have with Ann Coulter is she speaks the truth and they can’t handle the truth.”
ROFLMAO repeatedly. Doug you just gave me the best laugh I have had in the last three days. Thank you.
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Doug

posted October 14, 2007 at 8:40 am


Every Christian on this site whether liberal or conservative should read the book The Marketing Of Evil by David Kupelian. I especially challange liberal christians to read it because it shows how you all have been duped into believing things that are evil.
Rick,
I think you work for the drive by media so please do your self a favor and read this book. The drive by media today are more responsible for promoting evil then any other instution in the world today. They do not report the truth and they know it. Judging by your posts you have been decived far more then you know. I will post more later to explain why Christians can not be liberal and be following and be truly following God.



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Iris Alantiel

posted October 14, 2007 at 9:59 am


Personally, I would have said that Ann Coulter is to Christianity as (E) Richard Dawkins is to reasoned debate. In other words, each claims to practice it, but they use such sweeping generalizations and mischaracterizations that neither even resides in the same state as what they tell everyone they’re doing.



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Anonymous

posted October 14, 2007 at 11:59 am


“I especially challange liberal christians to read it because it shows how you all have been duped into believing things that are evil.”
When you admit that Conservative Christians were duped into following and believing things that are evil concerning their support for the war, a dialog may be able to start on other issues. Until that time, please step down from your self-righteous pedestal.
“Judging by your posts you have been decived far more then you know. I will post more later to explain why Christians can not be liberal and be following and be truly following God.”
Save your keystrokes, Pharisee.



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JCinSunnyLA

posted October 14, 2007 at 12:47 pm


Ann Coulter is irrelevant to rational discussion of both politics and religion.
Insult humor is a delicate balance between truth and absurdity. Don Rickles set the standard—a standard that Ms. Coulter has seldom attempted to aspire to, much less achieve.
There is no place for her vindictive and vituperative rhetorical rants. I have long since written her off as anyone who has this country’s best interest at heart.



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N.M. Rod

posted October 14, 2007 at 12:50 pm


Ann Coulter’s all about making lots of money by generating controversy which booms ratings.
She’s not going to be fired – look at the ink she can generate here in a trice, more than genocide or war – and that kind of pull is worth a ton.
Now they can have some huge audience for a fake debate about the controversy.
Money, money, money!



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Mick Sheldon

posted October 14, 2007 at 1:47 pm


ROFLMAO repeatedly. Doug you just gave me the best laugh I have had in the last three days. Thank you.
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Posted by: payshun
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I suggest you get cable , Chris Rock has been on the last few nights . Can get a little crude , but nothing worse then here . And he really makes you laugh for a reason .



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Mick Sheldon

posted October 14, 2007 at 2:11 pm


JCinSunnyLA said
If Jesus had been as judgmental and intolerant as many who describe themselves as Christian Conservatives, none of us would have a snowball’s chance in Hell of making it to Heaven
Oh come on , thats like me saying if Jesus was as non judgemental and tolerant as the religious left thinks they are we be singing Holy Is the Lamb with every cult that finds it way to pervert the Gospel or exclude it .
Rome was a perfect example of being open to and tolerant of different gods and sexuality , yet they had no problem being quite ruthless when they wanted to be .
The vast majority of people I know are not politcally active who are Christian , and at least from what I hear here , much more tolerant then the folks here . From the right or left .
The word tolerance here is made for one group to be considered worth listening to anther not to be . Admit it .
For the most part Evangelcials are not political activists . But their opinions are often demonized., Promoting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is made to look as thoug your against other religions . Promoting safe sex , which is sex between a man and a women in a marriage contract is made to be seen as judgemental and bigoted in this culture . If you are not artculate , you will get attacked for prejudice . If you are articulate , well we all know conservative Christians base their opinions in hate .
Conservatives do not see the government as a means of promoting their faith . But one thing I know , if you switch the religious right with another minority group and lebel in in a way they found distasteful, accuse and stereotype based on religion , sexuality , or any group you would be called on discrimination and stereotyping . You have such a good heart , I don’t see why that does not bother you ?



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Malaki

posted October 14, 2007 at 4:05 pm


Is as simple as this:
Whoever is judgmental does not speak for Jesus.
“Do not judge, so that you may not be judged.”
If you deny that universal truth, then you deny God and you deny Jesus.
Don’t condemn others lest you yourself be condemned. “Why do you see the speck in your neighbor’s eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye?”
Ann Coulter may call helself a Christian, yet she does not really love Jesus because she does NOT follow his teachings. Because a big part of her career is based in being judgmental against others.
Only God is judge — because only God can see into the human heart.



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ardan

posted October 14, 2007 at 5:11 pm


This is my first visit to this website and I would imagine my last. What I see is that most of the users seem to be liberals that claim a belief system not found in the Bible. They use this loosely based end user defined Christianity to spew hate at anyone with traditional Bible views….
Sad, it is really sad



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Rick Nowlin

posted October 14, 2007 at 5:20 pm


I think you work for the drive by media so please do your self a favor and read this book. The drive by media today are more responsible for promoting evil then any other instution in the world today. They do not report the truth and they know it. Judging by your posts you have been decived far more then you know. I will post more later to explain why Christians can not be liberal and be following and be truly following God.
Actually, based on the way they operate, the true “drive-by” media are conservative. I do work for a major metropolitan newspaper, to be sure, but that doesn’t make what we say false. In fact, we use many more checks and balances than any of the right-wing outlets you subscribe to — and even the conservatives know this. Bottom line, I’m not the one who’s deceived.
Another question — who published the book in question? If I know the publishing house I’ll know if it would be worth my reading — but probably not.
This is my first visit to this website and I would imagine my last. What I see is that most of the users seem to be liberals that claim a belief system not found in the Bible. They use this loosely based end user defined Christianity to spew hate at anyone with traditional Bible views….
Actually, most of us “liberals” do subscribe to “traditional Bible views,” truth be told. It’s the “fundies” that have distorted the clear meaning of the Word of God.



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Annie (UK)

posted October 14, 2007 at 6:08 pm


This is my first visit to this website and I would imagine my last. What I see is that most of the users seem to be liberals that claim a belief system not found in the Bible. They use this loosely based end user defined Christianity to spew hate at anyone with traditional Bible views….
Sad, it is really sad
Posted by: ardan | October 14, 2007 5:11 PM
I don’t see it as “liberals” (whatever they are in US terminology) spewing hate when they challenge Coulter’s unchristian rhetoric and behaviour.
As a pont of interest which “traditional Bible views” do you regard as being the correct ones? The views of the Early Church Fathers, the Medieval theologians, the Lutheran or Calvinist Reformers, Wesley, Jonathon Edwards, Moody, Hudson Taylor, Billy Graham, Pat Robertson. The people who seems to have followed Bible teaching on humility, lack of materialism. forgiveness, non-violence, treating all as equals etc the most closely seems to have been St Francis of Assisi , Mother Teresa of Calcutta and Mahatma Gandhi, all of whose lives speak to people more about the true meaning of being a disciple of Christ than the Ann Coulters of the 21st century ever will.



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Arthur

posted October 14, 2007 at 7:52 pm


The only comment I would want to make, and this goes for both sides in these kind of discussions, is that as a Christian I am not called to judge anyone else. In fact, I am told that I am NOT to do so, that judgment is God’s not mine.
I do not have to like or dislike Ann Coulter or the people who write unpleasant prose about her. The best I can and will do is ignore it.
And if I have to make a judgment, I will only say that both sides seem to be no longer acting in a Christian manner.



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Payshun

posted October 14, 2007 at 8:41 pm


Doug,
Every Christian on this site whether liberal or conservative should read the book The Marketing Of Evil by David Kupelian. I especially challange liberal christians to read it because it shows how you all have been duped into believing things that are evil.
Me:
I think you should read Dark Night of Soul just to see how hard loving your enemies is. I also think you should try reading Interior Castles or The Souls of Black Folk or…
You are deluded but you give me a great laugh. So again thank you.
Mick,
I watched Chris Rock’s comedy special the other day and it was awesome. I love him because he is so right.
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JCinSunnyLA

posted October 14, 2007 at 9:21 pm


Mick:
I was speaking of many Christian Conservatives, not all or even most. I have great respect for truly conservative Christians. It is a well-known fact that there are politically active Evangelicals who can be just as unreasonable as the most radical liberal who advocates total freedom from responsibility.
I have never advocated abortion as an answer to unwanted pregnancy. However, I recall a Republican Convention in which a plank on abortion was being debated. A dowager with a dour expression on her face objected to making an exception for rape, incest and the health of the mother with the asinine statement that it would result in an increase in rape and incest.
Perhaps she only meant that women might make that claim to get approval for the procedure, but she certainly did not make that clear in her tone and tenor.
I must agree that many on both sides can take both tolerance and intolerance to ridiculous extremes. It’s just another sign of the times in which we live.



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Rick Nowlin

posted October 14, 2007 at 10:27 pm


Really, you cannot believe that….Your hatred of anyone who doesn’t agree with you, your support of the murdering of Children, the destruction of the institution of marriage which God created, and on and on. I know you have a “form of Godliness” I hope you know the rest…….But to reject the Bible’s teaches and create your own warm and fuzzy religion doesn’t make you support “the clear meaning of the Word of God.”
I don’t think you know what the Bible teaches, otherwise you wouldn’t say something so out-of-kilter. Furthemore, are you sure you’re not projecting your attitudes onto everyone else? That’s what you sound like.



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mark

posted October 14, 2007 at 11:26 pm


If any of us are so diluted to think that Coulter’s diatribes have anything to do with her faith/beliefs, then we are the fools. Ann Coulter is nothing more than an actress/author. She is selling books, nothing more, nothing less. To increase her sales, she needs to promote herself and her product, therefore she appears on highly rated shows and to make sure viewers tune in and/or buy her books, she says the most extreme statements to grab attention. Do you really think that these comments are off-the-cuff? Of course not, her comments are scripted, rehearsed, and perfected. She also has the “hot blond” thing going for her (not with me) so I’m sure there are some men that give her attention just for that fact alone. Show biz is built upon image and sound bites – its entertainment. Coulter’s “commentaries” on Christianity and culture are the political equivalent to Spear’s “commentaries” on marriage and motherhood. I’m just as guilty as the rest of us: the more we pay attention to her,the more her bank accounts grow, and the stronger her career as an actress becomes. Don’t buy her product and she’ll have to change careers sooner than later.



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canucklehead

posted October 15, 2007 at 12:40 am


>>>”Another question — who published the book in question? If I know the publishing house I’ll know if it would be worth my reading — but probably not.” Rick Nowlin
Rick, I took the time to check that out when I saw the recommendation. The book is published by Cumberland House Publishing in Nashville, not really a household name in my books. I visited the website – lots of cookbooks and books by people who use PhD behind their name – you know what that usually means! ’nuff said.



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canucklehead

posted October 15, 2007 at 12:44 am


It’s obvious from some of the postings here that certain contributors don’t understand the difference between the kind of judging Jesus had in mind in Matthew 7 and the Christ-followers’s responsibility/obligation to critically evaluate someone’s work or character.
If you want to start swapping Bible verses, didst not our Lord also tell us to be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves?



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posted October 15, 2007 at 12:53 am


Some of these comments are funny. Ann should be allowed to say whatever she wants. The more outrageous the better. She does more to draw ridicule to her self than anyone else can. She is not a Catholic by the way but was raised an Anglican. But she by anyones definition is a poor example of Christianity. Indeed, if Christ were among us today (and he well might be) I am sure he would be as angry as he was with the money changers in God’s temple. Her hatred laced speech he would find offensive and surely not the loving words of a Christian. “See those Christians how they love one another”. So you can defend her or blast her. It is best to just ignore her and pray for her.



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Trent

posted October 15, 2007 at 10:07 am


have to echo the concerns raised a few times earlier about judging others. I’ve read judgements against Coulter, against Garrison, against Sojourners, against Moderatelad, against conservatives, against liberals, against Wallis, against Doug, against Republicans, against Democrats, and against Rick. Hope I didn’t miss anyone.
Not sure whether to feel depressed about the non-Christians who (infrequently) visit these postings and are turned away from Christ because of our abject lack of love and grace shown to those we disagree with,
Or whether to laugh at the irony of people abusing ann coulter for abusing people (one of those plank meet beam scenarios).
Either way it’s not very Christ-like behaviour. Hope we can all do better tomorrow.
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Payshun

posted October 15, 2007 at 10:17 am


Adr,
I don’t support abortion. I don’t agree w/ it. I hate it. But I am not judgemental of those that have had them. I used to have a ministry where I dealt w/ the mothers and fathers that had them. Belief me it taught me to not be judgemental.
Re Paul:
Paul’s comments were about the church and were in the context of not being judgemental. Paul knew there were people in his church that were sleeping w/ the same sex. It did not stop them from being Christians. It just made them hypocrits and Paul was more against that than stomping out homosexuality.
I have not created my own religion. Quite the opposite, my religion is quite older than yours. It’s called mystical Christianity and it dates back to the desert fathers.
Paul was also very clear about letting the world do what it wants. I find you putting your Christian ideals of marriage onto a purely secular institution. Not all married couples are married in a church. Not all married couples are Christian. By your definition are you saying they should not be married since it’s not in a church?
Not only that but your insistence that gay marriage threatens heterosexual marriage is a delusional fantasy. What are the gays going to do come into your bedroom and decide how you are going to sleep w/ your spouse? Are they going to control your family decisions about where you are going to buy a house, send your kids to school or change the contract of your marriage? I did not know they had the power to do that. Your insistence that they will is a lie.
The funny thing is many of you conservatives ignore your history and don’t really take up the mantle of our ancestors insisting this nation was founded on CHristian principles when our history clearly says it was not. Conservatives by and large supported the genocide of the Africans and the American Indians during their time and many of you folks on the right don’t utter a peep about that.
Those two things are far more bloody than abortion has ever been. That is not to say that abortion is right. It’s not but let’s get some perspective here and stop living in a paranoid delusional fantasy.
This is America and adults have the right to decide how they should live regardless of whether or not you or I think their sexual habits are sinful.
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posted October 15, 2007 at 12:26 pm


P
I guess in another forum we could have spend days going through different points and counter points, I think now it is a waste of both our time and effort in a blog. I wish you well and I hope that you know Jesus as your Saviour, if so I will see you later if not I will not. I don’t think I will be back to this site, after reading many posts it seems to hostile towards Christians with fundamentalist views, to many attack dogs and not enought thinkers. I don’t mind discussing issues but don’t wish to be hit from a dozen sides at once…No need to answer I will not be back….
I wish you well
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adrianpetersonrules

posted October 15, 2007 at 12:39 pm


How about some liberals disavowing Al Franken? He might do it under the guise of being “more intellectual”. But his comments have also often been quite offensive, and yet liberals simply say, “well, it’s the truth”. When a conservative (i.e. Ann Coulter) uses similar rhetorical devices, she is instantly intolerable…



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Alicia

posted October 15, 2007 at 1:44 pm


Doug, I couldn’t disagree more. Separation of Church and State, whether it is directly found in those words in the Constitution or not, is one of the best and most humble, Godly ideas discovered by human beings in the past few centuries.
Those who claim to rule in God’s name, such as the theocrats in Iran, always rule to bolster up their own power. Human beings will always be too sinful and corrupt to be trusted to rule anyone “on God’s behalf.” (BTW, I’m not in favor of secular totalitarian states either.)



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Moderatelad

posted October 15, 2007 at 2:07 pm


Posted by: Chuck | October 15, 2007 1:33 PM
‘…people fantasize about how she would look in lots of rope.’
So – would you say the above statement if the we were talking about Sec. of State Rice? (I would think not)
Coulter is one person and I believe that she balances out the likes of Al Frankin – the hope Senator from the state of MN.
I believe you better stick with something else and leave Coulter alone – I believe you might be out of her league.
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Rick Nowlin

posted October 15, 2007 at 2:52 pm


Sorry Rick but you don’t live in reality. I really wish you would read this book. It would probally change your life if you would let it. The difference between you and me is while you think you have an open mind and while you think my is closed the reality is quite different.
Sorry, Doug, but about two decades ago I did read books with a conservative slant, and in virtually every case the “facts” that they disseminated turned out to be false or misleading and their conclusions were thus flawed, plus there is a vast apparatus (funded largely by someone in my city) in existence since the 1950s to spread right-wing lies. Why would I want to read something that, upon further inspection, might turn out to be false? The first rule of journalism: Check it out for yourself and don’t ever believe what you’re told. And since you’re apparently not a reporter of any kind, your advice is worthless to me.
How about some liberals disavowing Al Franken? He might do it under the guise of being “more intellectual”. But his comments have also often been quite offensive, and yet liberals simply say, “well, it’s the truth”. When a conservative (i.e. Ann Coulter) uses similar rhetorical devices, she is instantly intolerable…
The problem is such: When most liberals, Franken included, go on the warpath, what they say is generally true, although sometimes out of context (see Fahrenheit 9/11, which I refused to watch) and designed specifically to insult movement conservatives. When Coulter and her ilk do it, however, its veracity is often questionable at best because they do shoddy reporting, plus they spend most of their time scapegoating.
BTW, “separation of church and state” actually comes out of Calvinism, but in that context it wasn’t talking about them having nothing to do with each other. In those days it was a way to keep the politicians, in those days kings and other nobles, from having any say in running the church — however, also, the state was supposed to take orders FROM the church.



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Mick Sheldon

posted October 15, 2007 at 3:35 pm


A valid point but let’s not forget the silence of the vast majority of Christians in WWII as well as the complicity of other Christians.
Yes that is true , some out of ignorance , some out of just indifference . But some gave their lives to help also . You must know those stories also .
Also the how many men from this country gave their last full measure to free Europe . Many were totally surprised to find out what was being done to the Jews and other minorities . . Ligeten up , yes I believe some need to take that to heart in this country . Seeing prejudice when none was intended .
Also the European Christian is different then North American Christian . I am not saying their is no prejudice against Jews , but in putting theChristian mindset of its difference with Jews for insteance and our culture is not fair . The Jews history of being mistreated in Europe is not the same history in this country . To say their is none here is silly , and I think you missed my point . But I hear things about my faith all the time that if stated about any other religion you could not just come back and say I did not mean it for all you and have no one call you on it .



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Rick Nowlin

posted October 15, 2007 at 3:57 pm


But I hear things about my faith all the time that if stated about any other religion you could not just come back and say I did not mean it for all you and have no one call you on it.
There’s a difference. When Christianity is challenged in this country it’s because of its cultural authority, especially when it’s used to bully people into submission. That’s the reason for fights over publicly-sponsored Nativity displays, school prayer and the like. When other faiths are denigrated, however, it’s precisely because they’re in the minority, and only in Israel are Jews anywhere near a majority.



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squeaky

posted October 15, 2007 at 5:13 pm


adrianpetersonrules
Nice moniker—and how awesomely true!



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Porcupine

posted October 15, 2007 at 5:25 pm


I do wish Ann Coulter would just shut up and take her clothes off.



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Steve-a-Reno

posted October 15, 2007 at 5:26 pm


Anne Coulter is the quintessential Republican. But, you’re right, there is that shocking thing about her. You expect her to be kind of a dumpy lady conservative with no makeup. Then you see a slim somewhat attractive woman who looks more liberal. There I got her back.
Wow, she really knows how to manipulate the media reporters and managers for a few free mentions doesn’t she?



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Mick Sheldon

posted October 15, 2007 at 5:30 pm


When other faiths are denigrated, however, it’s precisely because they’re in the minority, and only in Israel are Jews anywhere near a majority.
I understand that Rick , but somestimes like Nativity Scenes the majority can be bullied . Cultural authority ? Not where I live , and not anywhere I can tell from looking at the the Teachers Unions in any state or National Web sites when they list what they promote on cultural issues . Who has authority ?
The secualrist have used the tactic well may I add . You don’t see the problem with teaching sex education persay with the standard being in the confines of marriage as I do . Perhaps you see advantages of every dasy like from our historical cultural perspectives , and the damage thay have sometimes caused . I don’t see those like you , I see the current activities , like when Our District Banned a Charlie Brown’s Christmas , they allowed it at night so the kids who had practiced so hard could perform in front of their parents . What a crock . Charlie Brown is now a member of the religious right ?
I have stated this before , you can have comprehensive sex education , taught in the confines of marriage . That is considered denigrating the minority when your assumption goes further and as secualrist have used it . I suggest to you that Judeo Christian values promote tolerance and SAFETY when properly used, not limit it . Secularism does not do the same . Especially with the liberal secualism winning the day in this country . .
Teach all the same materials in sex education in the confines of marriage , the secualist will not let you . Because then you are making a moral distinction between marriage and a sexual relationship out of marriage . Thuse they are equal ! No they are not . But the secualist gets there view , not the majority as you say .
In some areas like my district anal sex is compared to vaginal and oral , all methods are taught with safety first , but no realtionship standard . A mongomous relationship to a 14 year old is two months .
I don’t expect kids to all wait till marriage , not even the majority , maybe a small minority if there is a standard that we all could support . But having the standard causes those who deviate from the standard to not travel as far away from the standard supports . That make sense ?



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Rick Nowlin

posted October 15, 2007 at 6:02 pm


I understand that Rick, but somestimes like Nativity Scenes the majority can be bullied. Cultural authority? Not where I live, and not anywhere I can tell from looking at the the Teachers Unions in any state or National Web sites when they list what they promote on cultural issues. Who has authority?
It’s the same concept as Iran desperately trying to get nuclear weapons precisely because Israel has them. You actually prove my point because you’re not even aware of the cultural authority of Christianity, even in the part of the country where you live — you simply take it for granted that people will think and act the way you do. (Heck, even public schools give time off for Christmas!)
I suggest to you that Judeo Christian values promote tolerance and SAFETY when properly used, not limit it. Secularism does not do the same. Especially with the liberal secualism winning the day in this country.
Uh — no. For openers, American society beginning in 1980 became heavily influenced by secular conservatism, but since many religious people embraced it it was wrongly deemed “religious.” That’s what makes it so dangerous. The original backers of the “religious right” actually were themselves secularists but who nevertheless saw religious conservatives as a gold mine to troll for votes.
That said, I think you miss the point of the Christian teaching on marriage, which goes far beyond any sexual act. You have to have a certain amount of general respect for other people, without which the Biblical prohibition on non-marital sex has no meaning. Frankly, I’ve found more of that kind of respect in liberal circles than conservative.



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Anonymous

posted October 15, 2007 at 11:25 pm


“It’s obvious from some of the postings here that certain contributors don’t understand the difference between the kind of judging Jesus had in mind in Matthew 7 and the Christ-followers’s responsibility/obligation to critically evaluate someone’s work or character.
If you want to start swapping Bible verses, didst not our Lord also tell us to be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves?”
^^^ Do you know what it means?… be wise as serpents, and harmless as doves?
Be as wise as serpents = You got to be aware of false prophets & teachers (By their fruits ye shall know them). That way you won’t be taken in by false teachers/prophets.
However, read carefully the next part of the verse of scripture… “be as harmless as doves”… that means that you must NOT be like serpents (like venomous serpents that are judgemental) but you must be HARMLESS as doves!
True Christians do not judge in the way false Christians (Ann Coulter) do. True Christians never condemn nor they attack like rabid dogs. Christians can only speak about the word. The word of God. Jesus is the word.
Because as it was written:
“Do not judge, so that you may not be judged.”
Don’t condemn others lest you yourself be condemned.
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Payshun

posted October 16, 2007 at 1:27 am


“That make sense ?”
I think so but the thing is you seem to not be aware of the fact that anal sex among young people has gone up a great deal and its mostly among evangelical Christians. Teaching abstinice only leads to self hatred and a further disavowel of human sexuality. It’s what tripped up the Puritans.
If we are going to have a real discussion about teaching kids human sexuality then we need to have it. I would rather they have the information than not because at least then they are informed and society can cut down on the amount of risky sex.
The problem is that we have made all forms of sex taboo and wrong outside of marriage. I am not saying that Christians should not teach their kids about sex. The problem is that our society has taught repression over acceptance. Human sexuality is seen as bad when it’s not. We as a culture (Christian, secular, Hindu, Wiccan, whatever) need to really evaluate how we teach our kids to value themselves.
That’s the real problem. If we are going to really examine and heal kid’s self esteem and help them not choose sex then we need to build up their sense of self worth and their ability to treat their potential friends and sex partners w/ respect and not as objects to be used. That’s what we need to talk about and unfortnately I have not seen enough abstinince only teaching that even begins to cover that.
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Susan

posted October 16, 2007 at 7:15 am


I have met many other Christians who believe the same thing. Some Christians ahve even thought that this is a good message to get me to convert to Christianity for some strange reason. At least Coulter is honest and she spares me the condenscending pity.



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posted October 16, 2007 at 8:18 am


Posted by: Porcupine | October 15, 2007 5:25 PM
I do wish Ann Coulter would just shut up and take her clothes off.
OK – and this is a posting that you feel is worthy of the rest of us reading? Moderator – this one made it past you and you have removed others that had nothing to do with nudity?
I would love to see the outrage if this was said about some liberal babe. I believe Susan Estrige in the buff would be enough to cause admissions to Monastaries to skyrocket.
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Moderatelad

posted October 16, 2007 at 8:51 am


Ms. Becky -
Might I suggest that your next article on a public personality should be Al Frankin of Air America fame. I would be interested in what you have to say about him. Just to give you a start.
He is a Democrat and some say a ‘comedian’
He wants to be the next Senator from the state of MN
Your accessment of him should be positive because he is a liberal and Sojo loves liberals.
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Rick Nowlin

posted October 16, 2007 at 10:03 am


Might I suggest that your next article on a public personality should be Al Franken of Air America fame. I would be interested in what you have to say about him. Just to give you a start.
Uh — Franken is Jewish, so there would be no point in doing so on a Christian blog. Coulter, on the other hand, claims to follow Christ, which is why she deserves to be taken to task.



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Anonymous

posted October 16, 2007 at 12:46 pm


“Ann Coulter is to Christianity as …
(A) Dr. James Dobson is to Sponge Bob Square Pants
(B) The new thought movement is to common sense
(C) Marilyn Manson is to Satanism
(D) Dick Cheney is to gun control
(E) Richard Dawkins is to reasoned debate”
Isn’t funny how Ann Coulter’s provocations have a way of reducing her critics to her level? I fear Becky Garrison falls into the same traps of extreme rhetoric and inflammatory comments rather than relying on the more difficult tools of reasoned logic and careful argumentation.
Oh well. I guess the wonderful similarities between the fundamentalism of the religious left and right will be something we will deal with honestly in a more tempered era.



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Porcupine

posted October 16, 2007 at 5:03 pm


“OK – and this is a posting that you feel is worthy of the rest of us reading? Moderator – this one made it past you” etc. etc. etc.
Sorry, I was confusing her with Michelle Malkin.



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Mick Sheldon

posted October 16, 2007 at 5:24 pm


Frankly, I’ve found more of that kind of respect in liberal circles than conservative.
Posted by: Rick Nowlin |
Me
I haven’t , I have found it similiar . I believe P was giving a better answer to what I was speaking to . You failed to address the issue .
P said
I think so but the thing is you seem to not be aware of the fact that anal sex among young people has gone up a great deal and its mostly among evangelical Christians
Me
Well I don’t know about that , but I know anal sexual activity has risen statistically among us as a total population. Also now in many High Schools it is considered cool for girls to make out and such , still a taboo for the boys . I don’t see this as good or natural . But I am the minority I guess, Sex as a standard is to be in the confines of marriage , it is seen as unnatural ,repressive to some P . That is the currecnt view in our culture by the experts on sex education from a secular view point . I challenge that view by an Evangelical or by non Christians however . , I believe God’s plan is for it to be in the confines of marriage , and joy unmeasurable . whopppeeeeee
And Payshum I suggest your philospy is closer to that of sex education then mine in public education , and closer to the culture of the day . I just think its the wrong view , and was hoping the liberal Christians would share some commonality with my values on this .
Anom said
Isn’t funny how Ann Coulter’s provocations have a way of reducing her critics to her level?
Yes that is an astute observation . Listen to Air America and how they speak about Hannity , Coulter , Bush , Rice , or anyone on the right hand of the political compass. If they are outspoken or quiet , they are put in the same box in order to dehumanize and de emphasis their message . Coulter does the same thing . I guess the real outrage is that their message is spoken to smaller circels causing more outrageous statements by them causing smaller circles .
Coulter blends in truth with some outrageous comments , its an art , a toxic art had taken hold of our discourse in this country .



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Rick Nowlin

posted October 16, 2007 at 6:04 pm


I believe P was giving a better answer to what I was speaking to. You failed to address the issue.
Actually, I didn’t at all. See, when you truly love — that is, want the best for — someone you will not exploit him/her sexually, among other things. Simpley trying to keep kids out of the sack misses the ultimate issue.



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payshun

posted October 16, 2007 at 9:44 pm


Mick,
First my name is Payshun. I am not offended but please get my name right. Or you call me Pashe or Pay or P, All those are acceptable. I agree w/ you that marriage is the ideal for all Christian people. But what about people that aren’t? What about people that don’t? Do you think they should have all the knowledge and tools necessary to protect themselves as much as possible?
Ofcourse my viewpoints are closer to traditional sex education because there is plenty of data to suggest that abstinince only programs don’t work. I am an educator that has seen the myths associated w/ a lack of information about sex. When you give people knowledge you give them the power to see that they are worthy of waiting or abstinince or condoms if they so choose.
I counsel a lot of people and most them are sexually active. I could sit there and constantly remind them that God wants something different but that never works (at least to the people I minister to.) The truth is people will do what they do and we can either prepare them as best we can or not. I would rather mitigate some of the most severe circumstances instead of add to them.
Actually Mick I can back up what I am saying.
When I say abstinince only programs don’t work I can show links that prove it.
Like here:
Abstinence-only-until-marriage as a method of birth control is spectacularly ineffective. Like other methods, abstinence-only-until-marriage works if ‘used’ consistently and correctly. Common sense as well as available research, suggests that in the real world, it can and does fail routinely – as evidenced by the staggering proportion (95 percent) of Americans who have had premarital sex.[15] A recent study of teens who made a public pledge to abstain until marriage questioned the youth again six years after they made the pledge. Researchers found that over 60 percent had broken their vow to remain abstinent until marriage. The study also found that teens who took virginity pledges begin engaging in vaginal intercourse later than non-pledging teens, but that pledgers were more likely to engage in oral or anal sex than non-pledging virgin teens and less likely to use condoms once they become sexually active. The study found that pledgers were much less likely than non-pledgers to use contraception the first time they had sex and also were less likely than other teens to have undergone STI testing and to know their STI status. As a result, the STI rates between pledgers and non-pledgers were statistically similar.[7,8]
Here is where I got that from.
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/PUBLICATIONS/policybrief/pbabonly.htm
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payshun

posted October 16, 2007 at 9:47 pm


Last post.
Purity Pledges don’t work.
http://jscms.jrn.columbia.edu/cns/2005-03-01/bario-purityrings/
Can we please start being realistic and stopping putting our sexual standards on a pagan culture?
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payshun

posted October 16, 2007 at 9:49 pm


I lied. One more and this is christians reporting on it in Kentucky.
http://www.abpnews.com/2528.article
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kevin s.

posted October 17, 2007 at 1:21 pm


“Can we please start being realistic and stopping putting our sexual standards on a pagan culture?”
They are not our standards, they are God’s. People are subject to them anyway. That is not an argument for or against abstinence education.



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payshun

posted October 17, 2007 at 6:01 pm


Not if they choose to ignore them they are not. God’s sexual standards are for those that choose to follow them.
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Bruce W. Robida

posted October 17, 2007 at 6:10 pm


I am a Christian and it is my belief, based on the teachings of the founder of my faith, Jesus Christ, that unless a person converts to Christianity, he or she will not go to heaven. Jesus and his first followers were all Jews. One of the first obligations of a Christian is to try to convert non-Christians to Christianity, unlike Muslims, through non-violent means, mainly, just by speaking to people. I know that is not how it has always occurred, but that is how it is supposed to happen. People like me and Ann Coulter are painted as anti-Semitic, which couldn’t be further from the truth. We in fact, love the Jewish people and it is Christians that support Israel more than anyone on the face of the earth.



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Mick Sheldon

posted October 17, 2007 at 8:31 pm


God’s sexual standards are for those that choose to follow them.
p
Posted by: payshun
The ramifications of not following Gods Word effect the non believer as well as the believer . Just as air is breathed by all of us , Gods design for us was created by Him .
Ignorance of God and his Word does not mean the good that can follow by following some of those Bibical Truths will not follow a non believer . Just as not following those Bibical truths may cause harm .



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Rick Nowlin

posted October 18, 2007 at 3:51 pm


We in fact, love the Jewish people and it is Christians that support Israel more than anyone on the face of the earth.
For some very suspect eschatological reasons, if you will. If we consider the Jewish people unsaved — and almost all Christians do — they should have no special status before God. And as for their being “chosen,” God does so in order to display His holiness. Anyone who looks at ancient Israel knows that it failed miserably in that task.



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Rick Nowlin

posted October 18, 2007 at 4:01 pm


They are not our standards, they are God’s. People are subject to them anyway. That is not an argument for or against abstinence education.
If you don’t personally know the God Who gave the standards, you will fall away from them anyway.



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Carl Wilton

posted October 18, 2007 at 5:23 pm


I’ve stopped taking Ann Coulter seriously. I don’t think she’s a serious commentator. I think she’s a performance artist. Her goal is to shock, and to try to rope as many naive people as she can into taking her remarks at face value.
It’s surprising how many do.



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anastasi

posted October 18, 2007 at 5:30 pm


I thought this was about Ann Coulter using Christianity to market herself, and bash others. Not abortion, or sex ed.
Again, Ann’s constant violation of the “judge not, lest ye be judged” rule is enough to prove her to be a hypocrite. Add to the fact that she has never been seen by the pastor of the church in which she claims membership.



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payshun

posted October 18, 2007 at 11:15 pm


“Ignorance of God and his Word does not mean the good that can follow by following some of those Bibical Truths will not follow a non believer . Just as not following those Bibical truths may cause harm.”
True but that still is not dealing w/ reality. The truth is people have sex period. What are you going to do about that? Are you going to keep encouraging abstinince even though it doesn’t work or try and educate people about reproductive health?
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posted October 19, 2007 at 2:19 pm


Response to Moderated – I don’t find Franken funny since he left SNL. As I stated in my Amazon.com short, “Contemplating Coulter Christianity,” I didn’t go after Coulter until the publication of “Godless: The Church of Liberalism,” in which she claimed to be a Christian. At that point, I felt it was fair game to analyze how her comments measured up against the teachings of Christ. IF Al penned a similar book, I’d go after him in a heartbeat. And in my upcoming book, “The New Atheist Crusaders and Their Unholy Grail,” I really let the mushy moderates have it for their failure to develop a biblical backbone. (And in an earlier post, I voiced my distain for Bishop Spongs public posturing.) In Red & Blue God, Black and Blue Church, I admit I was a member of the Young Reopublicans back in the ’80s. While I have pulled the Republican lever at the voting booth, like most journalists I respect, I prefer to keep my voting record private.



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posted October 19, 2007 at 2:19 pm


Response to Moderated – I don’t find Franken funny since he left SNL. As I stated in my Amazon.com short, “Contemplating Coulter Christianity,” I didn’t go after Coulter until the publication of “Godless: The Church of Liberalism,” in which she claimed to be a Christian. At that point, I felt it was fair game to analyze how her comments measured up against the teachings of Christ. IF Al penned a similar book, I’d go after him in a heartbeat. And in my upcoming book, “The New Atheist Crusaders and Their Unholy Grail,” I really let the mushy moderates have it for their failure to develop a biblical backbone. (And in an earlier post, I voiced my distain for Bishop Spongs public posturing.) In “Red & Blue God, Black and Blue Church,” I noted that I was a member of the Young Reopublicans back in the ’80s. While I have pulled the Republican and Libertarian levers at the voting booth, like most journalists I respect, I prefer to keep my voting record private.



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Tamara

posted October 23, 2007 at 12:33 pm


FYI..God isn’t American. He created ALL men and women in His image.
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Willard Cratchlow

posted November 7, 2007 at 5:30 pm


This site is a real hoot. All I see is politics. There’s little if any views presented from a biblical perspective.
Ann Coulter is a entertainer. However, if you hang on her every word, you’re obsessing. I love her books and consider her a genius as a writer and thinker. However, her handgrenade comments are her form of humor and it’s hilarious to see the reactions to them by people on the left. Here’s a little secret (promise not to tell the liberals)… if they turn purple and fly into a rage at one of her barbs, SHE WINS!



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posted May 13, 2008 at 10:51 am


Marilyn Manson isnt a Satanist, but I suppose thats besides the point. anyway, Organized religion is, at best, a means for violence, but I suppose everyone needs to feel validated and self righteous, and thats its only other use. Really, voltaire was right when he said ” kill the infamous thing!”….. hundreds of eyars have passed and we have yet to really figure that out…



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