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Jim Wallis: Video of Davos Religion Roundtable

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Click on the image below to see video of Jim Wallis among religous, cultural, and political leaders from around the world engaging in a forum titled, “Rules for a Global Neighbourhood in a Multicultural World” at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. They even gave Jim the last word…

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Kris Weinschenker

posted January 25, 2007 at 7:02 pm

I just saw an interesting report on the World Econimc Forum at Davos on CNN. A lot of money is spent on security for these Global Capitalists to rub elbows. Probably enough to treat every African who has AIDS

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Mike Hayes

posted January 26, 2007 at 1:08 am

In “The End of Poverty” economist Jeffrey Sachs says that the suffering of persons in extreme poverty from waterborne illness and maleria and malnutrition and other causes could end by 2025 if wealthy nations could see it as a priority.

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posted January 26, 2007 at 3:11 am

Thanks for reprezentin’ Jim!

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Kris Weinschenker

posted January 26, 2007 at 6:00 am

Speaking of unGODLY sums of money being spent on the political elite, that gig, fat, pay raise PA Supreme Court Judge Ralph Cappy got for himself and all his partners in crime could go a long way to helping out in Darfur.

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posted January 26, 2007 at 11:15 am

Morality cures AIDS. Women and children would not get the disease if men acted like the early Christian Church, or the real one of today. Instead, you have guys like Wallis, gutless and selling a watered down Goespl that does nothing for ending perversion. His Progressive religion, perpetuate horror. No where has Progressive “ness” made the world a better place. Christians should flee Wallis’ worldview like Lot from Sodom. I’m sure not all the Sodomites were screaming mad rapists. Some had to be soft-spoken like Wallis, wreaking pain and suffering in their quiet supportive apathy. Until Progressive ideology changes its views on permissiveness and its heretical religion, it will never be preaching the whole council of truth. But, as we can see from the history of civilization, Progressives are just the new version Roman-pagan.

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posted January 26, 2007 at 11:19 am

Any Section Eight housing in Beverly Hills? Any “Projects” in Malibu? In the Hamptons? Etc., etc.??? The hypocrisy of the Leftist is shocking. They want to continually help the poor . . . live somewhere else.

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posted January 26, 2007 at 12:55 pm

I believe that the rhetoric of Donny (in post #5) is irresponisble and uncharitable, however, it does raise an interesting question: how do progressive Christians address issues of sexual morality/immorality. How does council go regarding hetero-sexual pre-marital sex, homosexual sex, etc, play out? (Note: many may say “to even bring those questions up speaks to the questioners ‘fundamentalism'”. Let me be clear and say that my leanings lie with the greater vision of progressive Christians. But I do think that some have lost the message of the historic Christian tradition when it come to personal sexual ethics)

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posted January 26, 2007 at 3:47 pm

Donny | 01.26.07 – 6:24 am | Now this one I will agree with. Living and growing up in the Twin Cities, we had a group that we called the “KEM.’s” that went around talking in schools – churches and civic groups about how we need to help our fellow man. The American Dream is over and we need to supply affordable housing for them. It was ‘our’ responsibility to take care of them and live next to them and accept them into the community. KEM stood for KENWOOD – EDINA – MATRONS. Kenwood and Edina are two areas in the community where the housing is 4 times the price of most communities. There really is no low income housing to speak of in these areas. A significant percentage of the children are educated in private schools. Country Clubs thrive here and back in the day were restricted. And during election time the ratio of DEM political signs to REP political signs is about 15 DEM’s to 1 REP. These areas are fine examples of the ‘do as I say – not as I do.’ EDINA – Every Day I Need Attention. Kerry would fit in just fine with these ‘blue bloods’ Have a great day. .

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kevin s.

posted January 26, 2007 at 4:02 pm

Minneapolis politics are interesting. The swanky southwest (where the city’s “chain of lakes” is located”) is very liberal, and home to the cities older hardline communist and anti-Semitic factions.

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posted January 26, 2007 at 8:10 pm

Donny, No where has Progressive “ness” made the world a better place. So you support slavery & Jim Crow and oppose women having the right to vote? I find that “progressive ‘ness'” makes my home a much better place to live. Nothing I’ve seen in the world convinces me it is any different….

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posted January 26, 2007 at 8:43 pm

Brian, …how do progressive Christians address issues of sexual morality/immorality. How does council go regarding hetero-sexual pre-marital sex, homosexual sex, etc, play out? Excellenta nd fair question. I do not think a disclaimer is needed either – people of progressive leanings are often unclear about these very issues. Not to say that I take anything to be certain – I am human and fallible, always. But I;d like to share my perspective if you don’t mind…. In a conservative perspective, sin is seen as whatever God defines as abominable (the law delivered from on high and sans rational basis). Doing those things then creates a credit in the cosmic accounting ledger, the Book of Life. Offsetting debits are earned by believing and acting correctly – we thereby receive Grace through Jesus Christ that wipes the credits clean. Salvation is someting that happens after death, if we are able to keep the moral book balanced in our favor. In contrast, progressives see salvation as having already started – being Born Again a New Being is salvation here and now. Through the Grace of Jesus Christ we are able to connect to God directly, in the here and now. Sin is whatever separates us from God again – in Western terms we’d say our Ego and Self-absorption get in the way of our connection with God and our willingness to do His will. Jesus opens the channel by which we can connect to God through his Life, as an example, and his death and resurrection both as symbols and as real accomplishments. So when we apply these two perspectives to sexual ethics we get different ideas. Conservatives see that God delivered a levitical rule that homosexuality is bad; paul reinforced this rule in his letter to the Romans by calling homosexual desire unnatural. Therefore God sees homosexuality as bad and we cannot do it. If we do, we enter credits into the cosmic accounting ledger and to the extent we defened it as right we start to develop an evil and wicked character. Progressives see Leviticus as a book containing lws expressing how the Jews understood God’s ways. It also says we shouldn’t wear blended fabrics, plant two kinds of seed in teh same field, and that a woman is unclean at certain times and if she does not follow a certain penance for mentruating and delivering a baby she will be destroyed along with evildoers who wear cotton/poly blends. Paul of Tarsus is writing a regulative document to the Romans, outlining the reasons for choosing Christianity as opposed to the Apollo or Dionysus cults, etc. Sin is somewaht loosly defined as the “rude things those people do that we do not.” Sex for entertainment certainly was foreign to Paul – Jesus says marriage is sacred but Paul says it is better not to marry at all. He very clearly found sex to be dirty in general. So these rules are seen as expressions within a cultural context of those things the community leaders determined would best facilitate a relationship with God. We then ask, what is the reason for maintaining or rejecting any given rule? For example, does it matter if women have their heads covered or if men have long hair? Do we have to share our wealth in common wit the church or can we retain private property? Is homosexuality inherently bad or was it bad in the year 40 AD in a way it might not be in all places at all times? Given my experiences with gay people and the ffects of their relationships on their lives I have concluded this: I know heterosexual married and faithful people whose sex lives stand in their way of serving God and I know committed gay couples who are on fire with the spirit. I, for one, am convinced that any sexual practice that consumes our Egos and our desires needs to be eliminated or re-visioned. That can include ANY sexual practice. But the sexual act in itself, for me, is a symbollic reflection of the Oneness of God and our Unity with Him. The important thing about that situation, to me, is that I love my wife. Would it be any different if I loved a man named Bob? Given what I know about the distinctions between gender and genetalia and what I have seen among gay friends, I just don’t see that it would. In terms fo pre-marital sex I see it the same way. I believe the sex that occurs in a committed, unconditional relationship between two people who love each other and share a walk with God as sacred. The wedding is pomp and circumstance for the community, it doesn’t create any commitments that weren’t in place before the ceremony. But pre-marital sex as an outlet for physical lust can be very problematic indeed. It does not require love, unity, safety, responsibility, commitment, or attitude – it is almost inherently selfish. I would counsel anyone and everyone that this is detrimental to the state of a person’s soul. Hope this is helpful!

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Don Costello

posted January 27, 2007 at 1:00 am

Much of the vomit that Wallis and the rest of his buddies on this blog are saying is the same vomit that apostate Christians have said in the past. It’s just wrapped in a different package.

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wich young wulew

posted January 28, 2007 at 6:14 pm

Don Costello = skunk detritus

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kevin s.

posted January 28, 2007 at 11:02 pm

Daniel, Your statement that Paul found sex to be dirty in general is complete unfounded. He refers to the mutual pelasure of the marriage bed, and urges us to be married lest we sin in lust for one another. Further, Jesus (the red letter guy) also references that marriage is for men and women, and decries sex outside of marriage. There simply is no biblical support for the notion that the Bible is accepting of homosexual relationships. Theological liberals (or, at least, those of whom you speak) play all manner of games to get around this fact, but they are left literally reinventing Biblical texts to serve what is largely a political end. Your reference to the value of a wedding ceremony is confusing. You extoll the value of sex within a committed relationship based upon unconditional love. If this is not marriage, then what is? If the marriage ends, then the love was almost certainly conditional, yes?

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posted January 30, 2007 at 4:49 pm

Donny Morality dures AIDS? Go to Africa and see what the reality is. Young widows with children they cannot feed because there is no work so they resort to prostitution. Jobs could surely cure AIDS but morality is not something you can afford when put in the position of these women. I have been there. I have seen it. Donny all you have to do is think instead of judge. Your morality is very convenient given you have probably never lived through what the people of Africa or South East Asia are currently experiencing. I suggest you might want to “go and sin no more!”

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