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How the Christian Right May Grow More Undead Still

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huckabee.jpgromney.jpgThe two speakers at tonight’s convention who will vie to lead the GOP in 2012, should John McCain fail this year, are Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee.
What’s the biggest difference between those two candidates and McCain? It’s that Romney and Huckabee campaigned as pro-family candidates, painstakingly wooing the Christian Right, while McCain has ignored that base until now, a couple months before Election Day.
Consider these choice excerpts from Mitt Romney’s address:

–Opportunity rises when children are raised in homes and schools that are free from pornography, promiscuity and drugs; in homes that are blessed with family values and the presence of a father and a mother. America cannot long lead the family of nations if we fail the family here at home!
–Did you hear any Democrats talk last week about the threat from radical, violent Jihad? Republicans believe that there is good and evil in the world. Ronald Reagan called-out the Evil Empire. George Bush labeled the terror-sponsor states the Axis of Evil. And at Saddleback, after Barack Obama dodged and ducked every direct question, John McCain hit the nail on the head: radical violent Islam is evil, and he will defeat it!
–To this we are all dedicated and I firmly believe, by the providence of the Almighty, that we will succeed.

Or this line from Mike Huckabee tonight:

–He doesn’t want to change the very definition of marriage from what it has always meant throughout recorded human history. It is not above John McCain’s pay grade to grasp the simple fact that human life begins at conception, and he is committed to protecting it.

It seems to God-o-Meter that the Christian Right is back on the ascent. If McCain is elected, it will be in no small part because of his 11th hour campaign to rally Christian conservatives to his side. If McCain loses, the two men competing most zealously to be the next Republican nominee are working even harder for Christian Right support. After being counted out since 2006, the movement is sitting pretty.


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PhoenixOrion

posted September 4, 2008 at 12:14 am


WTF, Huckabee? Marriage has only ever meant “the union of one man and one woman” throughout all of recorded human history? If Huckabee would take a look at the world outside of America, he would see that many societies (particularly in Africa, the Middle East and Arab World, and some parts of Asia) polygamy is widely practiced. In fact, some anthropologists estimate that 75% of the world accepts the practice of polygamy. I am not condoning polygamy by saying that, but merely recognizing that it is an “alternative” marriage structure that is widely accepted in non-Western societies.
And if Huckabee would read his Bible, he would see that there are many different types of marriage in the Bible (eight, to be exact) other than the Adam and Eve style marriage between one man and one woman. Of course, there are monogamous heterosexual marriages described in the Bible, but there are also numerous examples of polygamous marriages (i.e. Jacob, King David, King Solomon, Gideon, etc.). There are several variations on the polygamous marriage in the Bible, such as a man married to several women and having several concubines on the side (King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines), and a man married to multiple women with slaves on the side (Jacob, his 2 wives, and a couple of his slaves). There is also levirate marriage, where a man marries his dead brother’s widow so the widow can produce an heir (i.e. the story of Onan). And God blessed Abraham’s incestuous marriage to Sarah (Sarah was his half-sister). It is true that Jesus mentioned monogamous, heterosexual marriage, but he (nor did anyone else in the Bible) never condemned the other types of marriage described in the Bible like polygamy and levirate marriage, nor did anyone else in the Bible.
So the next time a conservative politician says “We need to preserve Biblical marriage” I will ask him “Well, does that mean I can have 700 wives and 300 concubines



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PhoenixOrion

posted September 4, 2008 at 12:19 am


Another thing that I find really interesting is that in many parts of the Middle East and the Muslim world, homosexuality is illegal and often punishable by death (or at least a prison sentence), but in most of those countries polygamy is legal and widely accepted.
In contrast, gay marriage is legal and widely accepted in some parts of North America and Europe (some US states, Canada, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium, etc.), but most people in those areas would never condone polygamy and there is no way any of their lawmakers would try to legalize it.
I think it’s ironic that many people who support polygamy oppose gay marriage, and many people who support gay marriage oppose polygamy, given that religious conservatives generally lump those two things together.



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MomOfSRK

posted September 4, 2008 at 9:26 am


Most of you liberal, God-haters want desperately to believe that the “right-wing, Evangelical Christian” political involvement is over. Sorry to disappoint you.
Have you ever asked yourselves this one simple question?: Why, in the country that was founded by Christians, and who based our Constitution on Christian values, are so demonized? Why is it that Christians are the only group of people in United States of America, that are “fair game”? Why is it perfectly “acceptable” (and even encouraged) to make fun of, malign, attack, condemn and discriminate against Christians, but to even LOOK like you’re going to do the same to a muslim, a jewish person, (OR ANY OTHER “RELIGION” for that matter); a gay person, a person of another “ethnic” background, or ANYONE ELSE, it becomes a “HATE CRIME”? There’s no such thing as “HATE CRIME” against CHRISTIANS, however.
You EVER ask yourself WHY that is??? Jesus said it would be that way….That’s why. He said: “They will hate you because of Me, because they have hated Me [too]“… Real Christians know, however, who their final “Judge” is, and are not worried about all you “haters”.



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God-o-Meter

posted September 4, 2008 at 1:20 pm


MomOfSRK–
Do you feel any differently now that the Dems are working so hard for your vote? Not saying you’d consider supporting one, but do you feel less maligned now that the leader of the Democratic party talks openly of his relationship with Jesus and is going out of his way to meet with Christian leaders?



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PhoenixOrion

posted September 4, 2008 at 6:51 pm


A note on my previous post: While the various types of marriage other than monogamous heterosexual marriage in the Bible do not necessarily mean that God and the Bible are OK with gay marriage (which is not once mentioned in the Bible, btw), but the whole thing does make one think about the differences between our 21st century society and that of the ancient Hebrews among whom the Bible was written.



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