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It’s almost like visiting the Vatican

That’s my reaction to the new signs that are popping up in one orthodox Jewish village in New York — and that are getting a lot of media attention. Check out the local news report below.

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posted September 2, 2010 at 2:53 pm

Not even in Anatevka was there such a thing!
(BTW, the Captcha for this included the phrase “foreign-born.” Coincidence??)

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posted September 2, 2010 at 5:00 pm

Imagine if this were a sign erected by a group of Muslims here in the US. No doubt Beck, Limbaugh, Palin and the crew would be doing backflips trying to be the first to scream out “Sharia law”.

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Georgia Hilliard

posted September 2, 2010 at 5:31 pm

This isn’t law, so your point is moot. These guys don’t go around killing innocent people all across the world either.

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posted September 2, 2010 at 6:48 pm

Georgia: “This isn’t law, so your point is moot. These guys don’t go around killing innocent people all across the world either.”
Neither do the folks sponsoring the Park51 center, but that doesn’t seem to stop the protesters from getting their digs in. And from the tone of your statement, Georgia, if a mosque were to put up a sign like this, also with no law behind it, you’d still go nuke over it.

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posted September 2, 2010 at 7:04 pm

Interesting to read the stories in the NYC papers about the imam behind the mosque. Apparently he is a slumlord of buildings in New Jersey. People are living in terrible conditions and no repairs made. Other than that he wants to be a bridge builder. Right.

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posted September 3, 2010 at 8:06 am

The people of Kiryas Joel are only asking people to respect their tradition and values. They are not forcing their traditions and values on anyone, just asking for respect. I think tradition and values are important. God bless them!

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posted September 3, 2010 at 10:01 am

If you feel the need to go naked in public don’t go to Kiryas Joel. Leave them in peace. Is that so hard to do?

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posted September 3, 2010 at 11:26 am

I think it would be a great idea for Catholic parishes to have a simple sign in the vestibule or outside asking for modesty in dress. No need to get specific I suppose as modesty does have its subjective limits BUT…and maybe this is a CALIF beachtown thing…every try to distribute Holy Communion to numbers of women whose cleavage is slapping you in the face? Not only can you see “London and France” but I have oft times caught site of Belgium and a tad of Holland. :)

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Deacon Greg Kandra

posted September 3, 2010 at 11:36 am

A true story, about a priest I know.
Many years ago, before he was ordained, he served as a Eucharistic Minister at his parish. During the hot summer months, a curvacious woman wearing a tank top approached him for communion. She opened her mouth to receive on the tongue — and the host slipped from his fingers, down into the tank top.
He looked at her in horror. She looked at him in horror. She wasn’t going to touch the Body of Christ. (And, well, HE wasn’t about to go near THAT body…) Time stood still for several anguished seconds. She finally swallowed hard and reached down to retrieve and consume the host.
Looking back on it all these years later, he must wonder from time to time if he made the right choice when he decided not to take matters into his own hands …
Dcn. G.

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posted September 3, 2010 at 12:52 pm

Sts. Peter and Paul in San Francisco does actually have a statement on their website asking people to dress modestly. They also request that people not break out into applause for any reason during the Mass. While I appreciate that however, they also have a priest who BADLY needs to retire who, in spite of seeing the very large, very obvious bandage on my throat a few weeks ago, ripped me out publicly for not saying “Amen” loudly enough.
This guy, who is clearly not quite all there anymore and loses his place frequently during Mass (I’ve only ever seen him do daily Mass, though, so I assume others are aware of his limitations) and forgets the words, and repeats sections of the Mass already said, but apparently I’m the big, bad sinner for not being able to shriek “Amen” so loudly they could hear me in Hoboken in spite of the fact I obviously just MIGHT be having a little difficulty in that area…sheesh. He actually sat everyone down at the end of Mass and took the opporunity to single me out and chastize me in front of the (thankfully small) congregation. Nice.
So that modesty stuff can be pretty superficial.

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posted September 4, 2010 at 9:45 am

Kiryas Joel is an enclave of the Satmar Hasidim. This group is fiercely anti-Zionist, believing that the Jewish people need to wait for the Messiah to establish a Jewish state, rather than taking the matter into their own hands.
Satmer supports the president of Iran in his desire to eliminate the State of Israel from off the face of the earth!
Secondly, they are free-loading welfare queens. An overwhelming number of them, if not a majority, are on the welfare rolls, believing that they (= the men; women’s place is only in the home) should be spending time studying traditional texts rather than working in an actual job. Think ‘academic bum’ !
So, folks, enjoy their quaint customs. As hard-working, tax-paying Americans, YOU are footing their bills!

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