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Stupak: “We have an agreement”

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The passionate pro-life Democrat (and Catholic) is satisfied that the health care reform bill will not use federal funds for abortion:

House Democrats who had withheld support of the health care legislation because of abortion concerns said Sunday afternoon that they would back the bill, all but assuring that Democrats would have the 216 votes needed for passage.

The White House and Congressional Democratic leaders announced the deal, and rank-and-file Democrats who had worried that the bill would somehow allow the use of federal money to pay for abortions or for insurance coverage of the procedure appeared at a news conference to say those concerns had been addressed.

“I am pleased to announce we have an agreement,” said Representative Bart Stupak, Democrat of Michigan and a leader of the Congressional Pro-life Caucus.

“We’re well past 216, yes.”

The White House announced that after passage of the health-care legislation, President Obama would sign an executive order that will reaffirm the measure’s “consistency with longstanding restrictions on the use of federal funds for abortion.”

But a number of groups that oppose abortion rights said that an executive order was insufficient in part because of a lack of trust in the Obama administration. Even before Mr. Stupak’s news conference ended, the House Republican Leader Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio issued a statement saying: “The law of the land trumps any Executive Order, which can be reversed or altered at the stroke of a pen by this or any subsequent President without any congressional approval or notice.”

And Mr. Boehner warned that a vote for the health care bill was a vote for taxpayer-financed abortions.

Mr. Stupak rejected that claim. Mr. Stupak also noted that the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops still wanted statutory language barring the use of federal money for abortions. “I know it’s Lent,” he said, but added that the bishops could not supply the 60 votes needed in the Senate to approve such a law.

“This has the full force of law,” he said of the executive order.

But Mr. Stupak said the order would make clear there is “no public funding for abortion” and that community health centers, which will get billions in new federal financing under the health care bill, cannot perform the procedure.



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Reaganite in NYC

posted March 21, 2010 at 6:20 pm


“This has the full force of law,” he [Stupak] said of the executive order.
Actually, he knows it doesn’t. Following the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, courts have interpreted the decision as a statutory mandate that the government MUST provide federal funding for elective abortion in through federal programs.
In other words, no Executive Order or regulation can override a statutory mandate unless Congress passes a law that prohibits federal funding from being used in this manner. Legal experts at the US Catholic Conference of Bishops, National Right to Life Committee, Americans United for Life, and Family Research Council have confirmed this view that if the Senate bill is signed into law, it is a statutory mandate for the new health plans to include federal funding of elective abortion.
The need for an Executive Order is evidence that this is true, and Congressional Democrats know it. Make no mistake, a “yes” vote on Obama is a vote for taxpayer-funded abortions.



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Reaganite in NYC

posted March 21, 2010 at 6:24 pm


Stupak: “We have an agreement.”
Both sides (pro-life and pro-abortion) have to believe they are getting what they want with this bill, but that SIMPLY IS NOT POSSIBLE. Either federal funding of abortions will happen with this bill or it won’t.
If both sides vote “yes”, one side is being sandbagged by the President. Which side do you think he will be more likely to sandbag?



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Linus, K.C., Ks

posted March 21, 2010 at 7:35 pm


Oh! An agreement with the devil you mean. Everyone knows that Executive orders do not trump law. So, Stupak got snookered. So much for the Catholic voice in congress.



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Patrick

posted March 21, 2010 at 7:40 pm


The abortion funding issue is just being used by Republicans whose pockets are being filled by special interest lobbyers… I regret to say this, being 100% pro-life and a practicing Catholic to boot. The truth is, even if statutory language were used and the democrats accepted it, the republicans would still oppose the reform. The real issue here is that abortions are considered legitimate and legal medical procedures in the USA. That is what needs to change… and it is a seperate issue altogether.



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Chris Sullivan

posted March 21, 2010 at 7:41 pm


I think that Stupak has amply demonstrated his solid prolife credentials by pushing strongly for anti abortion funding language in the healthcare bill.
If he is satisfied that the bill actually doesn’t increase public funding for abortion, then I think he’s almost certainly right.
Obama always promised this bill would not increase govt funding of abortions.
Looks like he’s keeping his promise.
God Bless



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Reaganite in NYC

posted March 21, 2010 at 7:42 pm


Linus, K.C., Ks: “So much for the Catholic voice in congress.”
No, not quite. There are plenty of pro-life Catholic members in Congress who will be voting “NO” on this bill. Some are Democrats, many more are Republican.
By the way, last week Bart Stupak got himself a declared opponent for Michigan’s First Congressional District seat in November: DR. DAN BENISHEK.
Dr. Benishek is a general surgeon in practice since 1983 and has never been in elective politics before. He’s a Republican. He doesn’t have a website, but has a Facebook page, “Benishek for Congress,” that has seen an astonomical spike in hits and new “friends” since about 4:30 PM TODAY, when Mr. Stupak announced his cave-in.
Goodbye Congressman Stupak. Hello Congressman Benishek.
For more information, check out this Facebook page: “Benishek for Congress”
You can also get to Dr. Benishek’s FB page at this website: http://benishekforcongress.net/



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Thomas

posted March 21, 2010 at 7:43 pm


Formal excommunication looks to be a good option for Catholics in government positions supporting the abortion agenda.



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Klaire

posted March 21, 2010 at 7:49 pm


Another useful idiot; EO not worth the paper it will be written on, and certainly not from the most pro abort president in US history.
I digress; only left to wonder if God’s mercy has run out. Anyone who thinks there isn’t going to be “major suffering” in American under this bill is not living in reality.
I deem this day worse than the day Roe V Wade passed. The consequences will be far greater, but maybe at this point, “Consequences” are the only way to wake up a country that has for the most part, forgotten God.



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Thomas

posted March 21, 2010 at 8:01 pm


God’s mercy is infinite, but the wisdom of man is finite. Especially men in Washington, which is the greatest single cause of killing braincells than drugs or alcohol.
People choose their own course of action, and suffer the consequences. But what we intend for evil, God can make into the greatest good. Throwing away the theological virtues of faith, *hope* and charity during times of crisis is just as foolish as anything the Washington Imbeciles could possibly do. Besides, there has always been and always will be political and military tyranny. The kingdom of man is not the kingdom of heaven, which is something we need to remember. To place our trust and hopes in things of the earth is to serve man rather than God. To place our hope in God is to reject the things of the world while serving as a living example of the Gospel, which is the best course of action.



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Reaganite in NYC

posted March 21, 2010 at 8:14 pm


Thomas: “Formal excommunication looks to be a good option for Catholics in government positions supporting the abortion agenda.
Nah, Thomas, that would be way too much trouble and fuss. The malcontents would probably hire canon lawyers and clog our already overburdened diocesan tribunals. It would serve only to give Maureen Dowd occasion to write another hateful, misandronous column aimed at our shepherds.
Far easier to simply boot them out of office come November.
Of course, that still leaves us with the problem of what to do with those appointed (or selected) by Obama (Ambassador to Malta Douglas Kmiec, Ambassador to the Vatican Miguel Diaz, VP Joe Biden, Health Commisar Kathleen Sebelius all come to mind). Here, a bit more patience is advised until we manage to boot their Lord and Master out of the White House in November 2012.



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pagansister

posted March 21, 2010 at 8:14 pm


EXCELLENT! There is hope for Congress yet!



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Paul List

posted March 21, 2010 at 9:17 pm


Bargaining with Morgoth is always a losing proposition. He promises fair treatings but deals only death….



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Scott Jerome

posted March 21, 2010 at 9:25 pm


And Joy Behar and the Democrats are claiming that the CatholicCulture nuns are the true representatives of the Church, regardless what any bishops may say.
Isn’t that interesting?
Who owns the authority to tell the world what the Catholic Church believes?



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Emelie

posted March 21, 2010 at 10:12 pm


David Frum:
You are so desperate for readers … that you stoop so low as to post your entire column from today here on this blog? Wow, that’s a new low. I think I’ll check the other blogs on belief.net to see if you tried this stunt on them, too.
Whose political “Waterloo” is this really? No, my dear Mr. Frum, this awful day for America is a day that Democrats will come to rue in November (including the soon-to-be-booted Mr. Stupak) and which they will rue for a generation or more.
For the past 35 years, “don’t mess with my body” was the political rallying cry of pro-choice women. Today, that slogan becomes the rallying cry of all Americans who don’t want government messing with their health care. The “Party of Death” will be a dead party within 25 years.



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Peter

posted March 21, 2010 at 11:11 pm


Stupak is a treasonous bastard, like the 200-some other leftists. May they all rot in hell, or at least lose their jobs in the near future!



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Linus, K.C., Ks

posted March 21, 2010 at 11:14 pm


Stupak made a deal with the devil. It was that deal that won the day. Now we are all going to pay for it. One giant step for Socialis.



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Reaganite in NYC

posted March 21, 2010 at 11:38 pm


“Congratulations, Democrats. Beginning now, you own the health-care system in America. Every hiccup. Every complaint. Every long line. All yours.”
—- Kathryn Jean Lopez, posted at 10:48 PM tonight on “National Review Online” following the passage, 219-212, of Obamacare.
Only 4 votes swinging in the other direction and it would have lost 215-216. Elections have consequences.



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Klaire

posted March 21, 2010 at 11:53 pm


Linus as mad as I am over the worthless EO and Stupek’s sellout, I’m not convinced he made a deal with the devil as much as the devil simply overpowered him.
I really believe he is a sincere prolifer. I would be shocked if he got some “back room undisclosed” deal as much as he was threatened by the Obama Thugs. Remember, these are pros we are talking about.
I honestly thing he didn’t have enough people praying for him, and didn’t cave as much as he was tortured to his breaking point, consequently, perhaps accepting the EO under duress, almost in a rationalization.
Despite convinced he was made a useful idiot, my gut tells me he really was/is the good guy who simply got overwhelmed by the thugs.
Could be wrong, but the deed is done; not going to beat up on Stupek.



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R.Barnett

posted March 22, 2010 at 12:00 am


DISCOURAGING…HE SOLD OUT AND WILL BE SENDING OUR FREEDOM “DOWN THE RIVER” WITH WHAT HE HAS DONE BY BEING THE PIVITOL VOTES. WE NEED ANOTHER HEALTH REFORM TO DISCARD THIS ONE. CONGRESS NEEDS TO GO…COME NOVEMBER. THEN, TERM LIMITS NEED APPLIED!
HAS THE SLEEPING GIANT(AMERICA VALUES)AWAKENED? WE HOPE!!K



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Greta

posted March 22, 2010 at 12:00 am


Stupak met with Barry Obama. then this is released below. Probably just a coincidence and not cash for dead infants program to pass healthcare.
STUPAK ANNOUNCES $726,409 FOR AIRPORTS IN
ALPENA, DELTA AND CHIPPEWA COUNTIES
WASHINGTON, DC – March 19 for immediate release
U.S. Congressman Bart Stupak (D-Menominee) announced three airports in northern Michigan have received grants totaling $726,409 for airport maintenance and improvements. The funding was provided by the U.S. Department of Transportation Federal Aviation Administration.
“This federal funding will help these airports better provide critical services to communities in northern Michigan,” Stupak said. “I am pleased the FAA has made this investment in our local airports and the individuals and businesses they serve.”
Alpena County Regional Airport received a grant of $85,500 to acquire friction measuring equipment, specifically a decelermeter and tow vehicle, to replace equipment that has worn out.
Delta County Airport in Escanaba received a grant of $179,209 to install a 10 foot perimeter fence to enhance security and prevent wildlife from entering the airport.
The Chippewa County International Airport near Sault Ste. Marie received a grant of $461,700 to install lighted signs on Runway 16/34 and make repairs to the pavement to meet marking requirements and maintain structural integrity.



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Ron In Sacramento

posted March 22, 2010 at 12:56 am


The people of this country no longer have a voice or representation. Welcome back to 1775 and taxation without representation. We are governed by elitists that do not believe they have to listen to us any longer. The believe that we, the stupid citizens of this country, are not as informed and intelligent as they are.
Ask yourself, do you feel like you have ANY INPUT into how your country is governed any longer. Do you feel as though the IDIOT in charge gives a damn about what you think?
No? Let’s do something about it!



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wayne

posted March 22, 2010 at 4:13 am


are all of you stupid?? this bill is not taking your freedoms the health care system is broken and you are slaves to the large insurance companies who don’t have your interests in mind but rather those of there stockholders. Get over it..u lost



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AWashingtonDCCatholic

posted March 22, 2010 at 8:10 am


It profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world† But for an Executive Order.



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Maria

posted March 22, 2010 at 11:29 am


Klaire: Right you are. Get ready for the Chastisement.



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George

posted March 22, 2010 at 12:06 pm


I’m confused that so many people are confused about this, there will be no federal funding of abortions. Very proud of Rep. Stupak. Great to see a consistent Pro-Life Catholic represent the entire spectrum of the Church’s social and moral teaching. Inspiring.



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Alex

posted March 22, 2010 at 2:31 pm


@Wayne – you do realize that the stockholders of those “evil” insurance companies are laughing all the way to the bank, right? They just gained 30+ million customers by government decree. What other industry can claim that the government forces citizens to buy their product?



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James

posted March 22, 2010 at 3:41 pm


Stupak is soul-less. This guy is a Democrat, not pro-life. He says he’s pro-life to get re-elected in his district. Period. I cannot believe how naive you people are.
Also, Congress is sending Obama the Senate’s bill. The House never voted on that bill. They just deemed it passed, which is uncontitutional. Both Houses of Congress are supposed to act on the same exact piece of legislation to forward to the President. They did not do that here because neither the House, nor, the Senate could agree on the language of one bill. What the House did, and what the Senate is about to do, is illegal. We have two seperate bills, and Obama is going to be given the Senate version to sign. That bill makes a very specific provision to fund abortions. Obama wants that. And according to the language of THAT bill, no E.O. can superceed it. Meaning Obama’s promise to stop public funding of abortions through Executive Order is toothless–and he knows this!
Stupak and Obama are playing this country for fools (which we are) by claiming innocence on this one. They are both liars.
Now, you may support national health care. Fine. But pass it legally. The Democrats themselves can’t agree on one bill, so, each house has it’s own version. For the previous 200 years in the U.S., that meant they did NOT, in fact, have a bill to give to the President. Of course, rules and laws don’t matter to DemocRats. You all just make it up as you go along. Marxist tyrants!



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Patricia G.

posted March 22, 2010 at 4:14 pm


James wrote “Congress is sending Obama the Senate’s bill. The House never voted on that bill. They just deemed it passed, which is unconstitutional.”
That’s NOT true. I don’t know whether deeming something passed is constitutional or not (though I believe it has happened in the past), but what happened last night was an actual vote on the bill. I saw it (at 10:48 pm Eastern time), and I have the video of it on my DVR box.
Ahead of time, they had discussed the approach of deeming the bill passed, but they changed their minds.
Better you should read the news carefully, rather than making assumptions about what has happened.



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Your Name

posted March 22, 2010 at 4:49 pm


“Formal excommunication looks to be a good option for Catholics in government positions supporting the abortion agenda.

OR, The Good Ole Holy Roman Catholic Church (TM) could just deny communion to them, sorta like they tried in Canada over the gay marriage debate.
It’s the same folk who are calling Stupak “baby killer” that called black politicians “niggers” and gay ones “faggots”.
Haters. The lot of ‘em!



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Your Name

posted March 22, 2010 at 4:55 pm


“Stupak is a treasonous bastard
“May they all rot in hell”
“Stupak is soul-less”
Yet more evidence of that good ole Christian charity you folk are know for. (Add these to the list of the “niggers” and “faggots” slurs. Sooo quick to censor.)



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pagansister

posted March 22, 2010 at 5:48 pm


It’s a done deal, Folks! YEA!



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Makarios

posted March 23, 2010 at 1:01 am


Ron in Sacramento wrote:
“The people of this country no longer have a voice or representation. Welcome back to 1775 and taxation without representation.”
Um….Ron, the Democrats won the election. They have majorities in both houses of Congress, as well as a President who was actually elected, and not appointed by the Supreme Court. You may not like it, but there it is. They won, you lost. It’s called democracy, regardless of whether you win or lose.



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Diakonos

posted March 24, 2010 at 10:40 am


There are 2 commentaries on this worth mentioning,,,,
From Msgr Pope
http://blog.adw.org/2010/03/are-congressman-stupaks-assurances-are-without-merit/
And From today’s (3/24)Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/23/AR2010032302841.html?nav%3Dhcmodule&sub=AR
Two disciples of Jesus denied him during his passion Judas and Peter……



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Mike

posted March 25, 2010 at 12:06 am


Fortunately, decent people recognize that the passage of the health care bill is a good thing. Yes, that means the bishops are indecent. But sane people knew that already.



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Your Name

posted March 25, 2010 at 11:26 am


bishops are NOT indecent nor insane, and you would know that if you had a true relationship with God. And he you anyways.



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Your Name

posted March 25, 2010 at 11:29 am


God loves you anyways and to all you atheist out there god loves you to and if you don’t believe in God well let me tell you Something God don’t believe in atheist. Everyone pray for this country, we need it big time. we are in the end times. Are you ready for God to come back?



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