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Bookmaker gives odds for papal resignation

posted by jmcgee

Yes, you read that right.

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gambling.jpgWith the Catholic Church currently embroiled in a sex abuse scandal, leading online bookmaker PaddyPower.com has shortened its odds on Pope Benedict XVI resigning his papacy from 12/1 to 3/1.

The Irish site stated that it shortened its odds following a ‘cascade of bets placed on the Pontiff stepping down’ with 77-year-old Francis Arinze from Nigeria favourite to succeed the current Pope at odds of 4/1.

Although rare, Papal resignations have occurred with Pope Celestine V stepping aside after only five months in 1294 while Pope Gregory XII was deposed in 1415. As recently as 2002, speculation was rife that then 82-year-old Pope John Paul II would resign due to failing health.

The latest scandal involves a chorister that was dismissed for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for a Papal gentleman-in-waiting.

“The dark clouds of clerical abuse scandals show no sign of abating and recent reports from Germany are surely a little too close to home for the Pope,” read a statement from PaddyPower.com.

“Current betting patterns hint towards a possible Papal resignation and should this happen Cardinal Arinze seems the most Papabile.”

Other favourites to be elected as the new Pope include Cardinal Angelo Scola from Venice, Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga from Honduras and Cardinal Peter Turkson from Ghana at odds of 8/1. Longer shots include Argentina’s Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco from Italy and Cardinal William Levada from California at 10/1.



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Reaganite in NYC

posted March 18, 2010 at 11:59 pm


No way!!
My prayers are with the Holy Father in Rome, and I pray that he enjoys many, many good years on this earth — all of them as Pope.



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jestrfyl

posted March 19, 2010 at 12:15 am


Rat-zinger is far too proud and he worked too hard to get to this point. He would NEVER retire! Nothing like a few pederasts will get him off that throne.



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Frank

posted March 19, 2010 at 2:27 am


Vox populi vox Dei.



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Eka

posted March 19, 2010 at 10:12 am


Nonsense!



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Thomas

posted March 19, 2010 at 11:39 am


During this time of tribulation, Pope Benedict is the one we need at the helm. The world has no right and no authority to call for any papal resignation. It doesn’t matter if they like our Pope or not: he is precisely what we need at this time of liturgical and sexual abuse. Those who think and act otherwise show who their true master is.



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Ceile De

posted March 19, 2010 at 12:34 pm


Well now Deacon, there’s nothing lik asking for prayers for His Holiness, OUR Pope, in his time of trial. Oh wait – I must have missed that post.



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newguy40

posted March 19, 2010 at 2:41 pm


Why even post an article like this?
What useful purpose does this serve? Are you a Deacon as you say?
Instead of posting this drivel that is just so much fodder for the Anti – Catholic folks, how about some article supporting Christ’s Vicar on Earth? You know? Prayers and Faith?
How about some REAL article about today’s solemnity? St. Joseph as the protector of the Church? No? Instead you post irrelevant silly stuff about him as the patron saint of Real Estate!
Where is your reverence Deacon?



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pagansister

posted March 19, 2010 at 3:09 pm


He won’t resign….he’s liking his job. However, if I were Catholic, I’d be very disappointed in my church, and it’s leaders. Due to the priests misplaced loyality to this church, thousands of young children were molested by those they were trained to trust. The Pope, as well as the priests who covered up the abuse, are just as guilty as those who perpetrated the abuse. If the Pope did resign, it would be the ultimate way to show he is willing to take the blame as head of the church. Pope John Paul II must have known about all this too, and he did nothing to stop it either.



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bt

posted March 19, 2010 at 3:18 pm


There is a stark irony in that at the same time the child abuse crisis is in full spotlight, we are trying to pass a health “reform” bill that would allow for the deprivation of the unborn child’s right to life.



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Dana MacKenzie

posted March 19, 2010 at 3:38 pm


This is wishful thinking on the part of the left. Benedict knows where he needs to be. We need him now. But this fantasy must tantalize the haters. It would be the end of the church.



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Mere Catholic

posted March 19, 2010 at 4:10 pm


” It would be the end of the church”
Really? Whatever happened to Christ’s promise to Peter that the “gates of hell will not prevail against it [the Church].” I am praying for the Holy Father, but the Apostolic Chair of Peter is greater than any individual who occupies it.



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Wondering

posted March 19, 2010 at 4:25 pm


Does anyone wonder why pagansister comments about things Catholic as though her opinion matters? She states ‘if I were Cathaolic’ well you’re not!



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pagansister

posted March 19, 2010 at 7:14 pm


Wondering: 10 years teaching in a Catholic school gave me enough information to know that I couldn’t be a Catholic, but I totally enjoyed my 10 years teaching and the wonderful teachers and kids I worked with. I respect their beliefs even as I don’t always agree with them. To use a trite expression “Some of my best friends are Catholic”. Being outside the faith makes it easier to comment on things I read and see about the church. I haven’t figured out how Catholics in good conscience can support Benedict since it is probably true he knew in his pre Pope days about what was happening. Priests have probably gotten away with this activity for centuries. My opinion might not matter, but I do have the right to give it. You don’t have to agree…and you also don’t have to read what I write. have a great evening.



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Tom

posted March 19, 2010 at 7:42 pm


Pagansis, you’re not allowed to out-grace us who belong to the One True Church (it is soooo unpaganlike). Hopefully now you’ve learned your lesson and will return to your sassy old self that we may feel better about our holy selves. Besides, I’d rather it come from someone outside the Church than in-house dissidence, particularly consecrated religious.



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pagansister

posted March 19, 2010 at 8:03 pm


Thanks, Tom.



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Ismael

posted March 20, 2010 at 11:57 am


@Pagan sister
” I haven’t figured out how Catholics in good conscience can support Benedict since it is probably true he knew in his pre Pope days about what was happening. ”
The point is that facts point out that he did NOT know. The media is always ready to accuse… but the media made LOTS of false statements about Benedict XVI (like about what he said in Africa where the media completely distorted his words)
However even if he did and made a gross mistake should we stone him?
I invite you to go to a catholic church and listen to the gospel tomorrow…
“Being outside the faith makes it easier to comment on things I read and see about the church.”
Yes it’s always easer to spit in someone else’s plate…
However one should also be careful, because with the same measure which he judges he/she shall be judged…
Ismael



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pagansister

posted March 20, 2010 at 9:20 pm


Ismael: As you probably read in my post above, I spent 10 years as a teacher in an RC school, with mass once a month, so I have heard the gospel. Also, 17 years as a Methodist. Heard it there too.
As much as many Catholics would like to believe Benedict is innocent of knowledge, I still find it really hard to believe that Benedict, in all his years starting as a priest, NEVER heard/knew about misconduct by any priest. The churches rules are to keep anything that reflects badly on the church quiet. Just like the President of the USA, who realizes that “the buck stops here”, Benedict needs to realize that too. He is the head of that organization. Today he put all the blame in Ireland on the church there….acting like the Vatican had no knowledge. They were following rules set forth by the Vatican. Benedict is passing said buck, not accepting any responsibility for what has been happening forever in the RCC. Judgeing? Just commenting. Germany and the revelations makes it hard for Benedict to say he knew nothing…he was there during the time of the accusations, and was Archbishop. (?)



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bt

posted March 21, 2010 at 12:37 am


I went to a funeral this week of a close friend of my sister. The preacher was a Pentecostal, not Catholic. He gave an interesting sermon. He spoke about the two thieves who were on crosses on either side of Christ during His crucifixion. The one thief said that he had only gotten what he deserved, and he asked Jesus to remember Him. Jesus told this thief that this day he would be with Him in Paradise.
The Pentecostal preacher pointed out that we all have sinned, and that that cross the thief was on could have been reserved for any of us if it was known what we have done. It was a sobering thought. But then one remembers Jesus words to the thief: “Amen, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”
It was a good sermon, one I’m not sure I’ve heard in our Church.
I always wonder…and what of the other thief? Perhaps it is left for us to pray for him. We have all sinned…



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Tapestry

posted March 21, 2010 at 1:59 pm


Most seculariest have no clue about the Church hierarchy they think, it’s a human organization. Well that is their first wrong idea; the Church is a spiritual organization founded by Jesus Christ and guided by the Holy Spirit.
The Church hierarchy in the Vatican, expects their Archbishops and bishops to do the right thing and only in grave situation need they ‘kick it upstairs’.
So for Cardinal Ratzinger or Pope Benedict to have pre knowledge of any of these situations are slim to none.
The Church has watched the Romans, the Pharisees,various heresies, gnostism, arianism, protestant revolutions, french revolutions, eugenics, nazism and communism try to take the Church down like it would go away of you killed off enough of the parishioners.
Now its the seculariest using mind games and media frenzy.
The blood of the martyrs just makes the Church grow larger, the Pope isn’t going to step down. I hope the people that make bets make this guy set up a time limit and he loses big time!



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pagansister

posted March 21, 2010 at 2:59 pm


Tapestry: Child molestation wasn’t considered a “grave situation?” It wasn’t serious enough to “kick up stairs”? The one who might have been told and perhaps were, did nothing either/ That says something right there. Poorly run organization. No matter who the head of any organization is, he/she should know what is happening. The CEO’s of the financial institutions claimed they were innocent too….ignorance is no excuse. There was priest trouble in Benedict’s life before he was kicked up stairs. Priests were molesting when he was in Germany. No, he is so not innocent in all this. The fire is getting close to his fanny.



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Salvation through CHRIST JESUS

posted March 21, 2010 at 3:55 pm


Apparenlty you haven’t heard that Pope Benedict had issued an apoligy letter 8 pages wrong for the errors of that church in question. And Judging PaganSiter Yes you are wake up to the facts and stop being so blind. The Pope reached out and is also investigating that problem. He responded. What more do you want to see? Blood??? Give it up



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Tim H.

posted March 21, 2010 at 6:02 pm


With all due respect Rev Mr. Kandra, this post is not news nor is it opinion nor is it a substantive discussion of any issue and as such seems like nothing more than gossip.
The fact that it is about the Vicar of Christ on earth makes it most distasteful.
And why the link to a bookmaker’s website?
Again, with all due respect to one who serves the body of Christ, what’s the point?
-Tim-



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Deacon Greg Kandra

posted March 21, 2010 at 6:27 pm


Tim…
Yes, it is distasteful. And shocking. And upsetting.
That’s why I linked to it: to make people aware that this kind of crap is out there.
I’ve never before heard of an online casino making odds on a papal resignation, have you? That, to me, is news.
Blessings,
Dcn. G.



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pagansister

posted March 21, 2010 at 8:33 pm


An apology is only words, Tapestry. What will prove more effective will be what kind of investigation is launched….and how long it takes to start the “investigation”. They should get an outside group to do it. I can’t believe that the church will be able to seriously investigate itself. They can’t and won’t be objective. Too much self interest.



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pagansister

posted March 21, 2010 at 8:37 pm


Correction: I addressed the wrong person in my last post, 8:33 PM. 21 March. Sorry Tapestry. Should have addressed “Salvation through Christ Jesus”. More blood? Nope, just punishment for those men who took advantage for those trusted them. (until they ruined that)Give it up? Dont’ think so.



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Your Name

posted March 22, 2010 at 7:03 am


Prior, such histerical public opinions about the public persona, all the available facts should be thoroughly cheked.
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Dermot Ryan

posted March 28, 2010 at 12:10 am


Sometimes it’s human nature to go against ultimate understanding and our will fails to control and contain our need for security and power. Didn’t Peter deny Christ and yet Jesus said he would build the church? The greed, the money, the corruption are elements no one will deny in respect of the top hierarchy, but the Church continues to be a pure truth that resonates in all people. The Catholic church is deeply related to the promotion of human values and has been an intrepid bastion over the ages, fighting for the oppressed and the weak and for world peace, fighting for justice. It has done much good in this world to many people. People within the institution have committed atrocious things but the religion, belief and faith is something entirely different. Jesus showed others who were more fortunate how to give and to love. It is hard not to recognize the great power of love’s message. I criticise the executive group, which has been exposed as having turned a blind eye to years of horrific child abuse. My Catholic Church is a joy that surpasses all understanding.



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