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Biden, abortion, and bishops

posted by jmcgee

Yesterday, the country’s first Catholic Vice President had a few things to say about health care reform and abortion:

joe-biden.jpgVice President Joseph Biden, a practicing Catholic, is using his faith and his position to try and help convince those in Congress who have fears about the health care legislation and federal funding of abortion to vote for the bill.

Biden says that he understands there’s disagreement but he has reached out to those who are worried to help convince them.

“I assured them, and this will not allow you to take any subsidized government money you get and say, with that money I’m going to go now I can go purchase an insurance plan that provides for abortions. The principle is intact,” Biden said in an interview with ABC’s Jake Tapper.

The discussion over federal funding for abortion has become a hot-button issue in the health care debate. Michigan Congressman Bart Stupak (D) has flatly said he will not vote for the legislation in its current form because it does not restrict federal funding for abortions. Stupak and others have asked for stricter language, closer to what is known as the Hyde Amendment (after former Congressman Henry Hyde, R-Ill.)

Biden says he’s always supported the Hyde amendment and he’s certain that once the bill passes the issue won’t be as toxic, even within the Catholic Church. “I’m confident even the bishops, once this bill is passed and see how it operates, are not going to have the concern any longer,” Biden told Tapper.

These are the same bishops who, during the 2008 campaign, said Biden should not receive communion over his abortion stance.

There’s much more at the link.



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Emelie

posted March 20, 2010 at 3:29 pm


The funny thing about these assurances from Joe Biden and the other pro-abortion Catholics is that if they’re right, then why are Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice behind this bill?
No one is fooled by these assurances except those looking for an easy way out.



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A.Katherine

posted March 20, 2010 at 6:09 pm


When Planned Parenthood reported a net revenue in their 2007/2008 report of $1.038 billion and recieved $350 million in government contracts and grants, how can it be everyone continues to say taxpayers won’t fund abortion? In the span of that year they performed 305,301 abortions. Obama was very clear prior to being elected that unfettered abortion was a top priority for him and his voting record as Illinois senator proved it. By simply being Obama’s running mate Biden disqualified himself as a Catholic or pro-life. One thing about pro-abortion folks that seems to be consistent – they also happen to be liars. Obama owes a debt of gratitude to Planned Parenthood, and he made them promises he intends to keep.
I am not Catholic but I deeply respect and appreciate their view of life from conception to death. This article is a good one. If Christians don’t hold to that basic tenet of faith they are dually guilty for the deaths of innocents as well as hypocrits of the highest order.



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mike

posted March 20, 2010 at 6:12 pm


I don’t trust Biden



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LouBob

posted March 20, 2010 at 7:30 pm


Just got the word.
Pelosi, sad to say she just invoked St Joseph yesterday; today has said she will not allow any more discussion on making the Health Care Bill more pro-life.
May Christ help all of us.



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Peter Ramsey

posted March 21, 2010 at 12:20 am


Catholics who support abortion are obviously concerned about sex abuse in the church. Their argument goes something like this, “If we just killed them before they were born, they would never have been abused.” Which is a good thing, right?
Trying to understand Liberals means going deep within their minds and gleaning pearls of wisdom like that.



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janice mendelson

posted March 21, 2010 at 12:29 am


The day I look to Catholic bishops for moral guidence, is a day pigs fly.



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steve

posted March 21, 2010 at 12:41 am


Biden’s comments only prove that being a politician doesn’t require honest or a conscience.



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Judith Raczko

posted March 21, 2010 at 7:52 am


I echo LouBob’s sentiments….May Christ help us all.



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marie infinito

posted March 21, 2010 at 8:25 am


I don’t know anything about Mr Biden’s spirituality. He appears to be a “cafeteria” Catholic and it looks like this time he picked up the cole sole.



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Mike

posted March 21, 2010 at 9:36 am


Trying to understand Liberals means going deep within their minds and gleaning pearls of wisdom like that.
Trying to understand conservatives means recognizing that not a single one of them has a conscience or any decency at all. There is no such thing a as conservative Christian. You’re a good example.



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Michael

posted March 21, 2010 at 1:08 pm


Apparently Janice is not Catholic or has had a bad experience with the church. That is OK. We should look to God for moral guidance. A bisop is a pastor just like all pastors. If you depend on men and not God,you are in deep trouble.Look at our politicians. I am Catholic,very devout ,and I also know Bishops are men also. That does not mean I do not go to church and thank God every day that there are moral compasses out there.The topic was Joe Biden. He has a moral responsibility as a Catholic to support life in all stages as do true christains.



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Henrietta22

posted March 21, 2010 at 2:47 pm


He, Biden, also has the moral responsibility to uphold his countrys laws. Roe vs Wade is a law. You conservatives wouldn’t have your religious rights if it wasn’t for the United States Government. We wouldn’t have Social Security or Medicare if it wasn’t for the United States Government, namely Franklin Roosevelt, and Lyndon Johnson. Plese keep your religion seperate from the U.S. Government, as any thinking person of faith should.



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Reaganite in NYC

posted March 21, 2010 at 3:30 pm


Henrietta22: “You conservatives wouldn’t have your religious rights if it wasn’t for the United States Government.”
(1) Not only conservatives have “religious rights” but liberals, too. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was not an atheist zealot, but a Baptist minister and his civil rights work was founded on Christian principles.
(2) Our religious rights don’t come from the Unites States Government. They are not some kind of social welfare handout or entitlement. Rather, they are guaranteed by the US Constitution, a document which Obama/Pelosi/Slaughter apparently have very little respect for.



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Henrietta22

posted March 21, 2010 at 6:38 pm


Such hair picking Reganite. Of course we all have religious rights, and it was because of our government that set up the Countrys Constitution. Incidently I voted for Reagan twice, and worked at the polls. Republicans were very different back then than now. I come from the Greatest Generation, so don’t instruct me about U.S.A. history.



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Max

posted March 22, 2010 at 12:31 pm


Why do so many sour, mean-spirited people post here? Particularly “fundamentalists” of all stripes–where is the joy in your faith? Where is the tolerance, the forgiveness? The delight in diversity? Nowhere. I have a suggestion: try taking the lemons you’re sucking out of your mouths for a CHANGE.



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