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Think Muslims Haven’t Condemned ISIS? Think Again

In the Name of God: the Infinitely Merciful and Compassionate Lord

A very common, oft-repeated mantra among pundits and “experts” is that Muslims haven’t roundly condemned the extremism committed in Islam’s name. So many times, we hear people saying, “Where are the Muslim voices in condemnation?” “Why aren’t Muslims speaking up against extremists like ISIS?”

Well, the fact is, Muslims have been speaking out against ISIS and other extremist groups. The problem is, some times, people either don’t know or choose not to know this fact. Enter in this excellent post by Media Matters For America, which documents the round condemnation of ISIS by Muslim groups all across the world:


The Organization Of Islamic Cooperation: The Islamic State Has “Nothing To Do With Islam,” Has Committed Crimes “That Cannot Be Tolerated.” As the Vatican’s internal news source reported, the Secretary General for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, which represents 1.4 billion Muslims in 57 countries around the world, condemned the Islamic State’s persecution of of Christians and other religious minorities in Iraq, saying the “forced deportation under the threat of execution” is a “crime that cannot be tolerated.” According to the Vatican:

The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they ‘have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.’ [Vatican Radio, 7/25/14]


Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And “A Danger To Islam.” Lebanese paper The Daily Star reported that Al-Azhar’s Grand Mufti Shawqi Allam, Egypt’s highest religious authority, denounced the Islamic State as a threat to Islam and said that the group both violates Sharia law and humanitarian law: “[They] give an opportunity for those who seek to harm us, to destroy us and interfere in our affairs with the [pretext of a] call to fight terrorism.” [The Daily Star, 8/13/14]

Arab League: “Strongly Denounced” The “Crimes Against Humanity” Carried Out By The Islamic State. On August 11, Nabil al-Arabi, the Arab League Chief, denounced acts committed by the Islamic State in Iraq as “crimes against humanity,” demanding that they be brought to justice. According to Al Arabiya News, he said in a statement that he “strongly denounced the crimes, killings, dispossession carried out by the terrorist (ISIS) against civilians and minorities in Iraq that have affected Christians in Mosul and Yazidis.” [Al Arabiya News, 8/11/14]


Turkey’s Top Cleric: Islamic State’s Threats Are “Hugely Damaging,” “Truly Awful.” Turkey’s highest ranking cleric, Mehmet Gormez, decried the Islamic State’s declaration of a “caliphate” and argued that the statements were damaging to the Muslim community, according to Reuters:

“Such declarations have no legitimacy whatsoever,” Mehmet Gormez, head of the Religious Affairs Directorate, the highest religious authority in Turkey, which, although a majority Muslim country, has been a secular state since the 1920s.

“Since the caliphate was abolished … there have been movements that think they can pull together the Muslim world by re-establishing a caliphate, but they have nothing to do with reality, whether from a political or legal perspective.”


Gormez said death threats against non-Muslims made by the group, formerly known as Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), were hugely damaging.

“The statement made against Christians is truly awful. Islamic scholars need to focus on this (because) an inability to peacefully sustain other faiths and cultures heralds the collapse of a civilization,” he told Reuters in an interview. [Reuters, 7/22/14]

CAIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As “Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant.” In a July 7 statement, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) called the terrorist group “un-Islamic and morally repugnant,” noted that the Islamic State’s “human rights abuses on the ground are well-documented,” and called on other Muslim community leaders to speak out against the violence. CAIR reiterated the condemnation of the Islamic State as “both un-Islamic and morally repugnant” on August 11, and on August 21, CAIR once again condemned the group, calling the killing of American journalist James Foley “gruesome and barbaric”:


We strongly condemn this gruesome and barbaric killing as a violation of Islamic beliefs and of universally-accepted international norms mandating the protection of prisoners and journalists during conflicts.

The Geneva Conventions, the Quran – Islam’s revealed text – and the traditions (hadith) of the Prophet Muhammad all require that prisoners not be harmed in any way. There can be no excuse or justification for such criminal and bloodthirsty actions.

We also call on those holding Steven Sotloff and other prisoners to immediately release them unharmed so they may return to their loved ones. [Council on American-Islamic Relations, 7/7/14; Council on American-Islamic Relations, 8/11/14; Council on American-Islamic Relations, 8/20/14]


The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: “Violence Has No Place In Religion.” The Muslim Council of Great Britain condemned the Islamic State’s actions and expressed that they do not represent Sunni Muslims, according to The Independent. Shuja Shafi, a member of the council also said: “Violence has no place in religion, violence has no religion. It is prohibited for people to present themselves for destruction.” [The Independent, 7/11/14]

The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic State’s Actions “Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches. The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) released a statement denouncing the Islamic State “for its attacks on Iraq’s religious minorities and the destruction of their places of worship.” ISNA President Imam Mohamed Magid said, “ISIS actions against religious minorities in Iraq violate the Quranic teaching, ‘Let there be no compulsion in religion’ (Surat al-Baqara 2:256),” adding, “Their actions are to be denounced and are in no way representative of what Islam actually teaches.” [The Islamic Society of North America, 8/9/14]


100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An “Illegitimate, Vicious Group.” As the Huffington Post reported, 100 Sunni and Shiite Imams from the U.K. came together to produce a video denouncing the Islamic State, releasing a statement that they wanted to “come together to emphasise the importance of unity in the UK and to decree ISIS as an illegitimate, vicious group who do not represent Islam in any way.” (Please see below)

Saudi Arabia’s Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The “Number One Enemy Of Islam.” On August 19, Al Jazeera reported that Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti, Abdulaziz al-Sheikh, the country’s top religious authority, said that terrorism is anti-Islamic and said that groups like the Islamic State which practice violence are the “number one enemy of Islam”:


Extremist and militant ideas and terrorism which spread decay on Earth, destroying human civilisation, are not in any way part of Islam, but are enemy number one of Islam, and Muslims are their first victims. [Al Jazeera, 8/19/14]

Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For “Stand Against Extremism.” On August 20, the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) released a statement condemning “the barbaric execution of American Journalist James Foley by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).” MPAC urged “all people of conscience to take a stand against extremism” and offered condolences to Foley’s family. MPAC also noted the importance of countering ISIS and other extremist groups by working “to empower the mainstream and relegate extremists to the irrelevance they deserve.” [Muslim Public Affairs Council, 8/20/14]


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So, the next time you hear someone say, “Few Muslim voices have condemned ISIS or any other extremist group,” know that this statement is clearly not true.

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  • Niamh

    Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world because you are all following Satan into hellfire. Your prophet is a false prophet, the ‘angel’ who appeared to him was Lucifer; as the Bible teaches, he has the ability to appear as an angel of light; it is becoming more evident every day because ‘by their fruits you shall know them’. And what are the fruits of islam? Subjugated women, violence, poverty, war, murder, beheadings, intolerance, illiteracy; Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan…..Islamic ‘fruits’ are plain to see. And what did Lucifer tell your prophet? Little bits of the Jewish Torah, distorted and twisted bits from Christianity so that Muslims can say, oh we revere Jesus as a prophet! You don’t even know who Jesus is-how can you revere him on the one hand and ignore his teachings on the other? Islam is the devil’s last hooray; ‘because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.’ Another poster says your mind is closed. I hope that is not so. You may never get another chance to open it. May the good Lord enlighten your mind and save you.

  • Niamh

    See my response above. This is the problem when people think they know what they are talking about. You obviously don’t have even a basic understanding of what the Bible is or what Christianity actually teaches. Educate yourself! Free yourself in the truth!

  • Niamh

    All these quotes are from the Old Testament, which is basically the Jewish Torah, it is included in the Bible as an historical book and a record of the developing Jewish relationship and understanding of God. Christians follow the New Testament, which is the Life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
    Educate yourself about Christianity instead of posting ancient Jewish law as though it were in any way relevant! Did you know that Jesus warned that a false prophet would arise, leading astray most of the world? I always think of this when I hear how ‘fast-growing’ Islam is throughout the world. And He told us how to recognise this false prophet too; ‘Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.’

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  • joe the grinder

    Yes, Muslims are truly damned for all eternity, unless they repent of their sins and accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour. They should be much wore worried about eternal damnation than they are about the Israelis.

  • joe the grinder

    Christianity and Judaism have absolutely nothing in common with the Islamic word or god. Just because Mohammed stole a few names from the Bible doesn’t mean he got any of it right. There are some Westerners who would also have us believe that the “People of the book” are all basically of the same belief system. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Koran would try to tell us the Jesus was a mere prophet. Totally untrue and blasphemous. Jesus saith unto him, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
    The Truth is the Lord Jesus Christ is the only means to salvation.
    John1:1 – “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
    John 1:14 – “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten Son of the Father,) full of grace and Truth.)
    Jesus foretold all of today’s troubles, including the horrors being perpetrated by Isis jihadists in the Middle East right now…” Then they shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of many nations for my name’s sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.”

  • joe the grinder

    Try looking back more than a generation…before the Crusades-when nascent Mohammedanism starting forcefully converting their peaceful neighbours by threat of the sword–the areas of the Levant, Egypt and North Africa had an overwhelming predominance of Christian populaces. The Crusades came about mainly by Christian Europeans responding to the threats of massacres of their Eastern Orthodox Christian brethren (as well as the numerous Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land) by the murderous intrusion of jihadist Islam. When the Muslims eventually prevailed under Saladin(a Sunni jihadist of Kurdish ethnicity) they destroyed all the ancient and priceless Christian Holy sites and churches-replacing them with mosques, such as the false shrines in Jerusalem, e.g. Dome of the Rock-which is the site where Abraham was prepared to sacrifice his son). According to many old histories, Saladin even stole the priceless Christian relic of the True Cross. As was typical of ongoing Muslim attempts to take over the world by force they stole or usurped whatever they could of the religions of the One True God-Judaism and Christianity. Does any of this sound faintly familiar? Yes, you may have heard of a modern equivalent…that lovely little gang of butchering thugs, ISIS perhaps.
    Since your perception of history seems to go back no further than the twentieth century, you should still be able to detect the parallels.

  • joe the grinder

    Any author who would entitle a book- Common Word, Common Lord….is obviously not anywhere near being in close contact with reality or religious Truth. So I won’t even bother reading any drivel that might dribble from his mouth or pen (or keyboard). There has been an obvious and effectively near-total lack of indignation expressed by the imaginary group labelled “moderate muslims.”
    Just because the deluded, demented and demonically-influenced founder of Islam usurped many facets of the two religions that worship the One True God (Christianity and Judaism) does not mean there is a shred of commonality between our God, or His Holy Word. The mere fact that they call the three religions in question “people of the book” and that they consider the Lord Jesus Christ a mere prophet is all the proof necessary to totally discredit any argument in favour of Islam having any credibility with real Christianity or the faith of the Jews.
    John 1:1 — “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
    That is the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth. Despite any claims by Muslims, humanists, new-agers or those inclusivists who are so deceived to call themselves Christian.
    It is more than apparent to anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear that Allah ids NOT a God of love, as is the One True God of Israel, and the Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

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  • kilikalanikane

    If there are so many millions of muslims in the world, why can’t they all come out and protest and tell these few jihadist that they are being brain-washed and there is no martyr’s heaven with virgins waiting.They could do a lot more; no, I don’t believe they want it to stop. Even the quran tells them to end us, the quran calls us the infidel.

    ‘It is written in the Quran that killing one innocent person is equivalent to killing all humanity,”

    –But The Quran Doesn’t Believe Infidels Are Innocent–

    ”This kind of policy would “only cultivate hatred and divide people,” one cleric said.”

    –What do they think we have now–

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  • Scooter Tramp

    How can they silence 1.6 BILLION voices?

  • Scooter Tramp

    I don’t buy it either. How can they silence 1.6 BILLION voices?

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  • Barbara C Peterson

    I don’t seem these protests in the main stream media. Why is that?

  • Melvia

    A false god condoning violence is against the commandments presented to us by Jesus. In matter of fact, Muslim belief also disagrees with violent acts towards one another. Let’s start the conversation, God is right and following Isis is wrong. For everyone seeking war, they are seeking the end of God’s prosperity. And Jer 29:11 states that He wants us to PROSPER and not to be harmed. End the violence and seek love. Love never fails. (1 cor 13:8)

  • flothow

    Of course some muslims condemn ISIS. however, don’t be fooled. It’s a disagreement about when, not how to kill and conquer. Sunni and Shia have slightly different beliefs in that Sunni believe they can bring about Armaggedon now, and Shia are waiting for a sign. Both want Sharia Law worldwide, both hate non muslims but agree to lie about it, as Mohammad commanded, until they have enough numbers in a country (about 10%) to force conversion or death.

  • geoh777

    OK. So now show that this “dsiapproval” of ISIS has had a significant effect.

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  • WTF_WorldTradeFederation

    Let The Israelis move back to Germany and The Muslims in Germany move back to Israel. While we’re at it, I have to move back to Europe and give the Natives my home.

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  • Oilfart1

    CAIR has “condemned” ISIS/ISIL/DAESH in the media also. They have also continued to funnel money to them in violation of U.S. law. Beliefnet really needs to concentrate on the truth, not what the media is telling you.

    I don’t know many muslims are part of your staff, but they are not being truthful. If muslims really are against ISIS/ISIL/DAESH, muslim nations would take in all the refugees from the fighting in Syria. Don’t hold your breath waiting on that to happen.

  • taqwa1960d

    read the 13 th tribe your not real Jews your not semtic

  • taqwa1960d

    read the general son educate yourself

  • Ronnie Solbakken

    And what kinds of muslims do you think the media will cover? Boring ones or the ones with strong extremist opinions? The media survives on intrigue, not on stories of little Muhammed who plays hopscotch with Bob and Hannah.

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  • reve888

    Sorry, we can’t read the qura’an, because it is a translation into English, and that, according to you, is not the qura’an anymore. Why would we want to be confused by something that was changed into English? It has been changed, has it not? Any translation is a change and is not valid anymore. In the same way, the Bible has been translated into other languages so that everyone can understand it. Evidently, all languages except the original are not valid anymore. And I guess we should not translate any books into other languages anymore, because once it is translated, it is not the same. Also, we should not use copies of those books either, because a copy is not the original. I assume that you are using the original first qura’an and not a copy, because if you are using a copy, then it cannot be correct. Every copy and every translation cannot be valid.

  • David

    As a follow up, it is interesting that most of these comments were made 1 year ago. I wonder if their views would still be the same?

  • Vishwas Patil

    Muslim lies. Talk against ISIS and stab non-Muslims in back. They just follow true Islam. Don’t believe a word what they say. If ISIS wins, these very same people will rape and shoot you.

  • Karen Phillips-Lips

    I don’t buy it either!

  • Rick Kilgore

    David …Duke?

  • David

    I am just a simple retired teacher who likes to play music on community radio. I have one major rule, a little like Jethro Gibbs who has a few rules, I will not, where possible, play any music sung or played by a convicted pedophile. Yet, in the Qu’ran (and there seems to be numerous spellings of this book’s title so I may have spelt it incorrectly) the revered one marries a six year old daughter of his “brother in arms” and consummates the marriage when she is nine. This is all carried out in the name of Allah. On this fact alone, Islam has lost me as this form of behaviour appears to be condoned by their acceptance of this book. As far as Israel goes, you can discuss the pros and cons for as long as you want to but the fact is that the Palestinians do not recognise and will not recognise Israel’s existence. Therefore, no matter what ever, Israel would be prepared to concede would never be enough. Palestine would still want more.

    Slightly off the point but still relevant – I was told during a discussion on the pros and cons of Islam that I was an islamophobic person. I had to explain that there was nothing irrational in my fear of Islam based on what has been happening throughout the world over the last few years. The use of phobias to attempt to silence people on particular topics is not only wrong, it is incorrect. So tell these people who are attempting to label you because you have a different view to bugger off. I hope there are no spelling mistakes. If there are, so be it..

  • zamzamwater40

    And now…the truth ignore the endless debates about the peaceful versus violent nature of Islam and take a long, hard look at the Islamic State. ISIS is Islam, exposed in all its cruelty and ugliness, unchanged since Muhammad.

    The atrocities committed by ISIS are merely an extension of the atrocities committed by Islam’s prophet.

    The true Five Pillars of Islam are: Slaughter, Intolerance, Oppression, Hatred, and Global Dominion, because Muhammad was a slaughterer, intolerant, oppressive, hateful, and drove his armies to destroy everything and everyone that stood in the way of his establishment of a world caliphate.

    Muhammad said to the people of Mecca, “I have brought slaughter to you,” then he beheaded every Jewish male, young and old.

    Anwar Tarawneh holds a photo of her husband Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh, before he was burned alive by ISIS.
    Anwar Tarawneh holds a photo of her husband Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh, before he was burned alive by ISIS.

    ISIS immolated Jordanian pilot Muath al-Kaseasbeh, because Muhammad burned people alive.

    When the leader of the Jewish Bani al-Nadir tribe refused to reveal the location of his tribe’s treasures, Muhammad ordered his soldiers to “Torture him until you extract what he has.” So a fire was built on the chest of Kinanah bin al-Rabi. Again, when some of his men resisted Muhammad’s planned attack against the Byzantines at Tabuk, the prophet commanded that they be burned alive in the house where they were meeting.

    ISIS enslaves and rapes women because Muhammad did, even when he took a six-year-old little girl as his wife and consummated their union when she turned nine.

    ISIS mutilates and crucifies men, women, and children because its prophet did. When ISIS hurled a homosexual man from a tower, and the crowd waiting below stoned him to death after they saw that he had survived, they were only following the example of their prophet who stoned homosexuals.

    The only difference between 1,400 years of slaughter by Muslims, who follow the practices of Muhammad, and the carnage carried out today by ISIS is that today’s atrocities are broadcast throughout the world by social media.

    Unexpectedly, social media has also made ISIS a blessing to the Muslim world, enabling Muslims to see the true face of Islam.

    Hatred is what your religion requires of you, not just ritual washings. Slaughter is what your prophet demands of you, not just daily prayers. To follow Islam is to commit your life to jihad, to the destruction or subjugation of all non-Muslims in the name of the god of Islam.

    But thanks to ISIS, you can free yourself from the lies of Hezbollah, Hamas, and Al-Jazeera, if you have the courage. They cannot protect you from a western conspiracy, because there is none. Your enemy is Islam, not America.

    When you recognize that ISIS is Islam, you free yourself from the naiveté of world leaders who tell you that ISIS is an anomaly of Islam, leaders that, I am sorry to say, include US President Barack Obama, who told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria recently that, “There is an element growing out of Muslim communities in certain parts of the world that have perverted the religion, have embraced a nihilistic, violent, almost medieval interpretation of Islam.”

    But it is those who deny that Islam is “nihilistic, violent, almost medieval” who have perverted the religion.

    ISIS is Islam. Religion by the sword. Religion by intolerance and violence. Religion commanded by its prophet to conquer the world, behead apostates, mutilate thieves, crucify nonmuslims, and stone everyone that engages in sexual relations that disagree with Muslim laws and practices.

    ISIS has torn the mask from Islam, giving the Muslim world a choice for the first time in fourteen centuries.

    Choose Islam, and you choose ISIS, because they are indistinguishable. Reject ISIS, and you reject Islam, because they are one.

    ISIS must be stopped, yes. It is a threat to every nation’s security. More than that, it is a threat to the evolution of human consciousness. But it is not the sole problem of America and the West. It is, first and foremost, the responsibility of Muslims and Arabs. And the armies of Jordan, Egypt, UAE, and others are well equipped to deal with it. Western intervention will only create more chaos and reinforce the illusion of a Middle East/Western conflict.

    Like Libya and Yemen, ISIS is a tribal conflict, not a political one. The Islamic State is the Sunni backlash against domination and persecution by minority Shi’a Muslims in Iraq and the ruling Alawite minority of Syria.

    Islam hates everything that is not Islam. And just as fresh water and salt water cannot flow from the same spring, love and goodness cannot flow from a religion that is established on hatred and violence.

    As long as Muslims refuse to take a strong and aggressive stand against terrorism, they must share responsibility for the continuing atrocities. The hour has come for every Muslim to choose to be human or inhuman, noble or criminal.

  • zamzamwater40

    ignore the endless debates about the peaceful versus violent nature of Islam and take a long, hard look at the Islamic State. ISIS is Islam, exposed in all its cruelty and ugliness, unchanged since Muhammad.

    The atrocities committed by ISIS are merely an extension of the atrocities committed by Islam’s prophet.

    The true Five Pillars of Islam are: Slaughter, Intolerance, Oppression, Hatred, and Global Dominion, because Muhammad was a slaughterer, intolerant, oppressive, hateful, and drove his armies to destroy everything and everyone that stood in the way of his establishment of a world caliphate.

    Muhammad said to the people of Mecca, “I have brought slaughter to you,” then he beheaded every Jewish male, young and old.

    Anwar Tarawneh holds a photo of her husband Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh, before he was burned alive by ISIS.
    Anwar Tarawneh holds a photo of her husband Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh, before he was burned alive by ISIS.

    ISIS immolated Jordanian pilot Muath al-Kaseasbeh, because Muhammad burned people alive.

    When the leader of the Jewish Bani al-Nadir tribe refused to reveal the location of his tribe’s treasures, Muhammad ordered his soldiers to “Torture him until you extract what he has.” So a fire was built on the chest of Kinanah bin al-Rabi. Again, when some of his men resisted Muhammad’s planned attack against the Byzantines at Tabuk, the prophet commanded that they be burned alive in the house where they were meeting.

    ISIS enslaves and rapes women because Muhammad did, even when he took a six-year-old little girl as his wife and consummated their union when she turned nine.

    ISIS mutilates and crucifies men, women, and children because its prophet did. When ISIS hurled a homosexual man from a tower, and the crowd waiting below stoned him to death after they saw that he had survived, they were only following the example of their prophet who stoned homosexuals.

    The only difference between 1,400 years of slaughter by Muslims, who follow the practices of Muhammad, and the carnage carried out today by ISIS is that today’s atrocities are broadcast throughout the world by social media.

    Unexpectedly, social media has also made ISIS a blessing to the Muslim world, enabling Muslims to see the true face of Islam.

    Hatred is what your religion requires of you, not just ritual washings. Slaughter is what your prophet demands of you, not just daily prayers. To follow Islam is to commit your life to jihad, to the destruction or subjugation of all non-Muslims in the name of the god of Islam.

    But thanks to ISIS, you can free yourself from the lies of Hezbollah, Hamas, and Al-Jazeera, if you have the courage. They cannot protect you from a western conspiracy, because there is none. Your enemy is Islam, not America.

    When you recognize that ISIS is Islam, you free yourself from the naiveté of world leaders who tell you that ISIS is an anomaly of Islam, leaders that, I am sorry to say, include US President Barack Obama, who told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria recently that, “There is an element growing out of Muslim communities in certain parts of the world that have perverted the religion, have embraced a nihilistic, violent, almost medieval interpretation of Islam.”

    But it is those who deny that Islam is “nihilistic, violent, almost medieval” who have perverted the religion.

    ISIS is Islam. Religion by the sword. Religion by intolerance and violence. Religion commanded by its prophet to conquer the world, behead apostates, mutilate thieves, crucify nonmuslims, and stone everyone that engages in sexual relations that disagree with Muslim laws and practices.

    ISIS has torn the mask from Islam, giving the Muslim world a choice for the first time in fourteen centuries.

    Choose Islam, and you choose ISIS, because they are indistinguishable. Reject ISIS, and you reject Islam, because they are one.

    ISIS must be stopped, yes. It is a threat to every nation’s security. More than that, it is a threat to the evolution of human consciousness. But it is not the sole problem of America and the West. It is, first and foremost, the responsibility of Muslims and Arabs. And the armies of Jordan, Egypt, UAE, and others are well equipped to deal with it. Western intervention will only create more chaos and reinforce the illusion of a Middle East/Western conflict.

    Like Libya and Yemen, ISIS is a tribal conflict, not a political one. The Islamic State is the Sunni backlash against domination and persecution by minority Shi’a Muslims in Iraq and the ruling Alawite minority of Syria.

    Islam hates everything that is not Islam. And just as fresh water and salt water cannot flow from the same spring, love and goodness cannot flow from a religion that is established on hatred and violence.

    As long as Muslims refuse to take a strong and aggressive stand against terrorism, they must share responsibility for the continuing atrocities. The hour has come for every Muslim to choose to be human or inhuman, noble or criminal…..

  • EternalDamnation

    Perhaps you should do a little more study and see the proportions of Palestinians killed versus number of Israeli citizens each year. Can you guess which side has 50x more casualties than the other?

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  • holyworrier

    Well, Leland, Palestinian Christians are generally Arabs. (sigh) I didn’t assert that Palestinians were ethnically cleansed in the coastal areas where Jews set up shop.

    I stick with my assertion that there are no reliable statistics on Palestinian migration to the coast. As for Peters, Finkelstein dealt with her claims.


  • J Leland Kupferberg

    “Expanding their territory for decades?”

    Exactly how big do you think Israel is these days? Since 1967, they gave up the Sinai Peninsula, dismantled all their settlements in Gaza, and ensconced the PLO in the West Bank.

    That hardly strikes me as a competent Israeli recipe for steady territorial expansion over these past 50 years. And now I’m going to burst your bubble further. Would you believe me if I told you that about two-thirds of Israel’s settler population reside just five or six kilometers over the 1949 Armistice line?

    In practical terms, that’s hardly an imperial land expansion. More like positioning for a sustainable border adjustment – particularly apt when you consider that Israel is just 9 miles wide at its center point.

    How many facts and fuzzy pictures do you need to imagine before you consider that you might have a weird personal issue with the Jewish State that is explained by something other than legitimate moral concern?

    If you weren’t aware of these publicly accessible facts, then it’s clear you’ve rushed to judgment against the Jewish State. If you’re so concerned about the Palestinians, I would expect you should at least take the time to learn what the Israelis truly want.

    Just imagine for a moment if there is evidence out there that the Israeli intent toward the Palestinians is not nearly as malevolent as you imagine. Isn’t that cause for celebration?

    Isn’t there perhaps a reason why the Israeli government has held off from annexing the bulk of the West Bank? Yes, the Israelis actually want to pursue their interests. Can you imagine that? But imagine, too, what a truly malevolent Israel could be capable of – and then look at what it has thus far refrained from doing.

    Honestly, sometimes I feel like I am instructing six-year olds in basic logic and moral reasoning.

    As far as outright land grabs go, Israel sucks. Fifty years of countless UN condemnations – and Israel is still only nine miles across at its center??

    Countless articles have been written about Israel kicking out 800,000 Palestinians from Mandate Palestine in 1948. But wait – aren’t the overwhelming majority of Palestinian “refugees” living within the actual borders of Mandate Palestine (which include Jordan)? Isn’t 80% of Gaza’s population formally registered as refugees in refugee camps? Isn’t about 30% of the Palestinian population under the PA in the West Bank still living in UN-administered refugee camps?

    That, my friends, is what is known as an international fraud. It’s a scam. A shell game. Did you imagine that the majority of Palestinian “refugees” are spread far afield in a worldwide “Diaspora” distant from the historic borders of Mandate Palestine?

    Sheer nonsense. The vast majority just crossed several kilometers over the active front lines in 1948 (mostly in the few months before the State of Israel was even declared). 100,000 stayed behind in Israel, to grow to about 1.5 million voting citizens. The vast majority settled in Gaza, Jordan, and the West Bank, with the remainder just over the border in Lebanon and Syria. In geographic/cultural terms, hardly a significant displacement worth going bat-shit over for 70 years.

    Do you really think those Gazan refugees would have a better life if they all relocated a few kilometers back over the 1949 Armistice Line to present-day Israel?

    No, something else is going on here. The Palestinian people have simply been constituted – and have been used by others – as little more than demographic cannon fodder to attack the viability of the State of Israel on multiple fronts, in a campaign that just never ends.

    You almost forget that 15 million Eastern European ethnic Germans were driven from Prussia and their ancestral lands just after World War II – to say nothing of the mass Muslim/Hindu population exchanges when Pakistan was partitioned out of the Indian sub-continent.

    You want to talk about “crimes against humanity”? I call the UN and the Arab nations into the criminal dock. The UN in particular is a party to this ongoing international fraud. They keep the incitement and hostilities festering over decades, while force-feeding a “refugee” scenario that resembles no other refugee scenario in history.

    If they had their way, a lot more Palestinians would be dying by now, and Israel would be a festering pool of homicidal chaos rather than a thriving liberal democracy.

    The fraud, deceit, and bad faith have to end. It’s time you anti-Israel critics woke up and learned the facts. Otherwise, you will continue to be little more than willful abettors and enablers in this ongoing scheme of criminal incitement, rather than helpful mediators in a peaceful resolution between all sides of this conflict.

  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Look, I’m sorry that you are apparently more schooled in Marxist theoretical jargon than in international law.

    Did you know that the Geneva Convention recognizes a Law of Occupation? Go read it. You’d be surprised as to how absolutely draconian it would appear to your Marxist-inflected thinking (except when the Marxists are in charge of the proverbial checkpoints).

    That’s right. International law has encoded the rights of an occupier to do what it can reasonably justify to ensure the security of its soldiers and citizens. In turn, the occupying power is expected to balance its legitimate security concerns against the rights and interests of the occupied population.

    And it gets worse for your case – and here’s why: The Israeli judiciary is respected as being among the most liberal judiciaries in the world, and its jurists are internationally respected.

    And there’s a reason for that. You see, Israel actually does engage in a fairly vigorous balancing of its security interests against the rights of the local population.

    With all that said, there is a huge 56-nation Muslim voting bloc that can and does often try to skew international organizations to cast Israel as falling afoul of such balancing. And yes, Israel’s friends can and do often throw Israel under the proverbial bus for reasons of political expedience. Because let’s face it: Fifty-six regressive dictatorships – fortified with 1.4 billion people and a market share of the world’s fossil fuel supply – are hardly worth challenging for the sake of a liberal democracy of just six million Jews on a sliver of territory.

    As for my “lacking human conscience”, I think I have the better case for moral clarity here. If you want to get into a legal/moral argument as to whether Israel does indeed properly balance its legitimate security needs against the human rights of the Palestinian population, you need to actually show me that you have indeed done the hard work of balancing both sides of the equation.

    On my end, I assure you that I have. Historically speaking, Israel has a far better balancing record this past thirty years than even before 1967. Given its dire existential situation, I would even argue that Israel is a textbook case as to how such balancing should take place in a liberal democracy.

    Despite decades of unprecedented incitement and attempts to destabilize the country on a daily basis, the Israeli government has steadily advanced Israeli Arab rights and protections. Incitement against Arabs is outlawed, which is why you don’t see masses of Israelis handing out candies in celebration when Palestinian civilians die (and to be honest, we both know that Jews are hardly prone toward the kind of death cult/lynch culture that you see established throughout Palestinian institutions).

    But in any case – and you should know this already – anyone can pick up the Jerusalem Post or Haaretz and take the pulse of the Israeli Jewish population. Israeli Jews are frankly obsessed with maintaining a proper balance between their legitimate security interests and the human rights of the Palestinian population.

    That is, if you cared to look. If you’re accusing someone of criminal conduct, you should at least investigate the evidence of their alleged criminal intent (or mens rea).

    It’s simple, really. An intelligent person with moral clarity would actually look at the normalizing institutions of Israeli culture in order to get a picture as to how they are having this national conversation among themselves. An anti-Semitic demagogue, on the other hand, spends (or wastes) all that time on accumulating malicious hearsay about Jewish intent from anti-Jewish writers with an obvious axe to grind. Why, after all. listen to what a Jew like me has to say, when you can better learn my motives from someone who seeks to defame me?

    But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not anti-Semitic – you’re just a poorly informed person for whom it did not occur that you could better evaluate the presumed criminal intent of a population by actually reading what they say and publish among themselves on a daily basis.

    As a comparison test case, you might want to examine what the Palestinians aspire to do to the Jews. Check out their children’s programming, their newspapers, and their mass street gatherings attended by their political leaders. What kind of national conversation are they having among themselves? Are they debating the morality of random suicide bombings and knife attacks? Or are they celebrating such acts as a national aspiration with religious overtones?

    And then tell me which population engages in a liberal democratic balancing of values – and which population daily works itself up with a steady dose of criminal, unlawful, and violent incitement.

    Again, it’s all about moral clarity. If you truly cared about Palestinian human rights, you would ask yourself whether the Israelis are actually open to mitigating Palestinian injury and damage.

    Just a small exhibit in Israel’s favor: Even when Hamas was attempting to cause mass casualties with its rocket barrage against Israel’s cities in 2014, Israel’s lawyers advised against Israel cutting off Gaza’s electricity. The day after the rocket barrage finally ended, Israel resumed ensuring massive building supplies would come in to aid Gazan residents, to the tune of several hundred trucks a day, even as Egypt continued to seal its border.

    I assume, though, you remain focused on the 2,000 deaths incurred in Gaza (with at least 1,000 being civilian). I assure you I do not celebrate that. I wish – as do most Israeli Jews – that Israel could have brought about the cessation of Hamas’ bombing without a single civilian casualty.

    But I will not overlook the fact that those civilians died because Hamas was looking to enablers like you. They know their audience. They know you would rather that Palestinians die en masse than to let Israel out of a strategic/existential bind. So, as Hamas tried to stop Israel from thwarting their rocket barrage by throwing up human shields for their rocket launchers, Hamas could depend on you not to say a word about stopping the rocket barrages or the use of human shields – to stop the loss of life, if for no other reason.

    Yes, sir, you do not counsel the Palestinians to mitigate their damages. If those West Bank military checkpoints incense you, then point out to the Palestinians that they can maintain a checkpoint-free existence or a culture of suicide bombing (but they can’t have both).

    But if the Palestinian leaders drop the daily incitement toward criminal attempts from its population, then that’s also incidentally to Israel’s benefit. And I think that would bother you. I strongly suspect that you would prefer the Palestinian population to incur the logical consequences and damages of their ongoing violent attempts, so long as Israel can pay the moral price for preempting those criminal attempts.

    In the end, I think you are much more invested in Israel paying a moral price for its acts of preemption than in ameliorating the damages to Palestinians that result from those preemptive acts. In other words, you are in it for the zero sum game that morally gratifies you.

    I, on the other hand, much prefer a dynamic in which the Palestinians end their daily attempts at incitement, while Israel, in turn, responds by progressively improving Palestinian daily life. By the way, that just happens to be Israeli policy and strategic aspiration, approved by the vast majority of Israeli Jews. That’s a win-win aspiration.

    Unfortunately, the morally bankrupt enablers of the zero sum scenario are really the ones that keep this conflict festering.

    So, yes, I think I’ve assessed your morality quite well. The day you choose to value Palestinian daily existence, over your need to condemn the Israeli population, is the day the sociopaths lose one more useful idiot/enabler.

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  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Holyworrier – You said: “The point is that no people can claim a land unless they can take it and keep it.”

    Okay, then. If we want to be true to historical facts, then prior to the declaration of the State of Israel, there never was a people in Palestine who understood themselves to be a unified polity called “Palestinians.” In fact, prior to the 20th century, the residents themselves thought of the region as Greater Syria, with the Ottoman Empire dividing up the land into a handful of separate administrative units.

    With the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, all of Palestine west of the Jordan was confirmed under international law – at San Remo – as being reserved for Jewish settlement, by recognition of the Jewish historical ties to the land. So, as of 1922, the Jews had claimed rights of settlement, and those rights were then enshrined under international law.

    And we’re not talking about a huge piece of land either. Israel is a miniscule country that is roughly 60% desert and about 9 miles across at its center.

    And let’s not pretend that this is a mere Israel/Palestine issue. When it suits them, the Palestinian Arabs have consistently called on the wider Arab/Muslim world to act as stakeholders and fellow belligerents. Strategically speaking, then, there can never be strategic parity between Israelis and Palestinians, for the simple reason that Jews in Israel don’t want to share the fate of Christians throughout the Middle East. The Palestinian Arabs live all over the Middle East among their Arab and Muslim brethren (who they functionally regard as brethren when the issue is Israel).

    The descendants of the 800,000 Middle Eastern Jews who were kicked out of their ancestral homelands, however, can only secure residence in this region in the State of Israel.

    So, just on that consideration alone, the State of Israel comprises the only sliver of territory in the Middle East where the remnant of Middle Eastern Jews are entitled to reside (and whose descendants comprise more than 50% of the Jewish population).

    Meanwhile, Arabs are free to live anywhere they wish (and currently comprise a population of 1.5 million voting citizens in Israel, having grown from just over 100,000 in 1948).

    Under Israeli law, Jews can only settle in West Bank territory that is either not privately owned by Palestinians or has never been claimed by a Palestinian collective. Generally speaking, such lands are designated under the Oslo Accords as Area C. And in Area C, there is no functional Palestinian claim here. This is where the bulk of Jewish settlement in the territories is, and the pre-existing right of Jewish settlement in such lands (as opposed to Israeli settlement per se ) has never been formally extinguished under international law.

    And don’t even bother citing UN resolutions, as they never dealt with the legal question of pre-existing Jewish settlement rights (just the Israeli settlement rights arising from the 1967 conquest, which is a different legal issue). And in any case, the UN is no longer a competent forum to adjudicate on this issue, as it is unduly influenced by a 56-nation Muslim voting bloc. Nor can the UN substitute a Palestinian claim in Area C where none has previously existed, since the Palestinians are currently the minority in Area C, and never held possession of these lands as a Palestinian polity.

    So, thank you for your assessment. There never was a Palestinian people before 1967 who had taken these lands and kept it in their name. The State of Israel must therefore preserve what remains of Jewish settlement rights in Area C. Because anywhere the Arab population gains sovereignty, they ban Jewish residence.

    And because the Palestinians will likely continue to internationalize and “regionalize” this conflict, Israel needs whatever slivers of additional territory it can keep in order to grow its Jewish population to a critical mass sufficient enough to face the several hundred million belligerents who will continue to attempt to chip away at Israel’s strategic security.

    Not that you have really given thought to Israel’s crucial existential and strategic considerations. I suspect that you – like most critics of Israel – are satisfied to sacrifice the Jewish State on the altar of political science.

    Incidentally, have you given much thought to the fact that Bethlehem – which used to be 90% Christian before Israel handed it to the Palestinian Authority in the 1990’s – is now effectively depopulated of Christians, who currently comprise less than 10% of the city’s population?

    Probably not. The important thing – as always – is that the Jews are out of there, and that the Jews can’t possibly be allowed any possibility of strategic gain. In the meantime, let the Russians keep Kaliningrad! And let the Turks keep their Cypriot settlements!

    Your moral concern seems to be engaged only when the Jews make a successful defence of their rights and survival. Your job is to ensure that they are morally harangued enough to foolishly miscalculate their strategic situation, and perchance give their Arab/Muslim belligerents an opportunity to visit upon the Jewish residents of Israel the fate of the formerly Christian city of Bethlehem.

    Hold tight, Israel – and never forget that there are indeed millions of Jewish and non-Jewish supporters out there who will stand by your side in the face of the morally hypocritical onslaughts that are being launched against you on multiple fronts.

    And Israel, be aware as to how morally bankrupt your critics are, as they ask you to expose your throats to a society that normalizes human sacrifice throughout its cultural institutions – the cult of the shahid – while such critics willfully hammer away at a democratic culture that tries its best to balance liberal democratic values against this unprecedented existential challenge that no other liberal democracy currently faces.

  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Holyworrier – I wasn’t aware that Palestinian Christians cannot also be Arabs. But putting aside your obvious lack of knowledge concerning the cultural demographics of Palestinian Arabs (whether Muslim or Christian), you might want to ask yourself why the Zionist pioneers of the last century chose to put up settlements mostly in the coastal plain as opposed to the more heavily populated and fertile Judean mountains?

    Yes, indeed, Jewish industry on the coastal plain had attracted Arab migrants across the Ottoman Empire to settle in and near new Jewish settlements. You’re treading a thin line if you imagine that Arab immigration to Palestine in the early decades of the 20th century was just a figment of Joan Peters’ imagination.

    The overall point is that Jewish settlement tended to attract Arab migrants, not ethically cleanse them from those areas. The Arab population in those Jewish areas grew by leaps and bounds during the era of Jewish settlement, which does tend to falsify any argument that Jewish settlement was premised on the displacement and cleansing of the local Arab population in the decades before the outbreak of war in 1947-49.

  • holyworrier

    Why would you imagine that I consider the year 1882 as the year history began? To imagine history having a beginning is rather absurd, don’t you think?

    Yes, there were many tribes living in Palestine three thousand years ago, but there was no Judaism. Then Abraham came from deep within what is now Iraq, as I’m sure you know. But he wasn’t Jewish. It wasn’t until the Exodus that particular tribes picked one of their gods and proclaimed that he had given them the land of Israel, demonized the inhabitants, and took it by conquest.

    How long must a people live in a land before they can lay claim to it? Muslims inhabited Spain for 800 years, a time, incidentally, when Jews flourished there.

    The point is that no people can claim a land unless they can take it and keep it. To say that your god gave it to you doesn’t cut it.

  • stranger_in_the_land

    Nice quote from Samih K. Farsoun’s book….so we are to assume that history begins in 1882 and we are to establish that as our valid starting point? How about after being forced out of Palestine during the second century, the
    Jewish people migrated to different countries throughout the world. This
    dispersal is known as the Diaspora. But we can go farther back to the ancient ties to the Land and approximately 3000 years
    old Jewish tribes inhabited a small kingdom of Israel and Judea around
    the area of Jerusalem.

  • nwgunslinger

    Over the past decades I’ve seen news reports showing thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of muslims demonstrating against the U.S. Calling for death to the US, burning American flags and the like.

    What I want to see is thousands of Muslims demonstrating in the streets calling for the death of ISIS and buring the ISIS flag. When I see that on the news I’ll rethink my position on Muslims. Until then all I see is an occasional tepid rebuke saying ISIS does not represent Islam and frankly that’s not good enough.

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  • Miss Taj Alsir

    Doctored information? Like wekipedia? Really? NO problem. Mmm then why don’t you Enlighten me with your source of information about Islam?

    And stop giving me twisted replies please. Be straight forward. Cause you didn’t Answer any of my questions. First you have mentioned modern muslims and then you shifted to true muslims. Well, How about you tell me what is the difference between modern muslims and other muslims in your opinion? And while you are at it, I would like to know what is the difference between modern christians and other christians?

    By the way, Islam Doesn’t order us to respect those with knowledge only, but all humans regardless thier knowledge level.

    Oh and Perhaps you should have read my comment very well before judging my understanding level which you lack. Obviously you like to manipulate words because I have clearly asked you which sacrifices are you exactly refering to? Huh I’m not the one who mentioned any killings in here so far.

  • mranka

    You are still feeding on doctored information. Check why Mohammed bin Kasim had to come to Indian sub-continent and what happened later. You need to verify and validate your source . According to your logic only those who cover thier bodies and do not drink alcohol and not fornicate
    are true muslims. This means knowledge does not have much value whereas in Islam it is clearly mentioned that a person with valid and proper knowledge must be respected.

    As for the sacrifice, if you are thinking about killings, I am afraid it will be difficult to talk logic with you. Obviously I am expecting a much higher level understanding to debate the issue.

  • Lori

    Addendum to last comment: I’m glad I found your site, as I have wondered if the silence (which you have shown is not reality) was because Muslim families are in fear for their lives if they condemn ISIS, or if they secretly really think what ISIS is doing is “ok”.

  • Lori

    We don’t hear about Muslims standing against ISIS anywhere in our local or national media. There’s a suggestion if you want to change the minds of the general public of the US as well as other countries.

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    First of all, you are so wrong about his own kith being murdered. He got sick and died. You may read about it in here
    Second, Islam can never be highjacked as it is the promise of God. And There are prophecies of Muhammad peace be upon him mentioned in bible. You may also check out these links /
    Third, by modern muslims, do you mean those who uncover thier bodies and drink alcohol and fornicate and unfollow the insturctions of God just the way modern christians do? And which sacrifices are you exactly refering to?

  • mranka

    you need to look at the immediate history after the death of the messenger of Islam. his own kith and kin were murdered. This speaks volumes about the ideals of propagated Islam. As a community you would have to fight out the highjacking of real Islam as you claim, if it was existing. Do the current so called moderate Muslims have the guts. If not, they can be mute spectators only. They do not seem to have the courage to offer sacrifice that restoration of Islam demands.

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    Killing was never a way of life. Now even if you read qura’an then you will find that death sentence mentioned in two cases only: a murder crime unless the family of the victim forgive the person found guilty and in case of war. But again here is the thing, If God didn’t set punishments for people who commit crimes or disobey him then what would be the difference between humans and animals?

    And one more thing, weren’t those verses which I wrote mentioned in bible?

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    No. God has sent his words and insturctions through messengers and prophets who wrote it as they were told. Focus For the rest of humans to follow it. And those messengers peace be upon them are not classified humans like me and you. So that doesn’t give me the right to write a book tomorrow and say that I was inspired.

  • Peace

    I won’t speak about the Quran writings, I have no knowledge. The Bible clearly states THO SHALT NOT KILL! Jesus is the savior. Weather one believes he is the son of God or not his message was always- Do unto others as you would want done unto you. Peace and Love thy neighbor. Killing others for the things you mentioned were not his teachings. Homosexuals, and everyone else. Yes even you. Compassion for all. You should try it.

  • Peace

    Do you really think God wrote any book? Man did the writings inspired by God.

  • Peace

    Just where is the Israelis original homeland? Just asking. It is confusing at best. I am a Christian, and cannot understand all the decades of hate in this part of the world. Jews have been persecuted for centuries. They are a people without a country to call home.

  • holyworrier

    Palestine has no weapons. Israel is a nuclear power.

  • holyworrier

    Kupferberg – Israel metaphorically has the Palestinians chained up in the basement. Occasionally, as is happening now, the captive spits in the captor’s eye. Then comes the next beating.

  • holyworrier

    Palestine in 1882 had a small, native, and migrant religious Jewish community of roughly 24,000 among a Palestinian population of nearly 500,000.

  • holyworrier

    Kupferberg ; “Never mind that this was one “invasion” that attracted mass Arab immigration into those bustling areas of Jewish immigrant settlement on the coastal plain, for the very reason that the Jews were raising the quality of life in these areas.”

    Palestinian Christians also apparently migrated along with Arabs. Is it any wonder, as the Jews were coming in from a European capitalist culture. By the way, the extent of immigration is disputed by historians and is essentially unknown. Be careful in gloating. Don’t put too much stock in Joan Peters.

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  • shaunthebrummie

    palestinians are parasites and just want someone anyone to pay for their upkeep and not do anything themselves…like most muslims they are lazy..only do jobs sitting drivers..

  • Observer2

    the west needed to do something for jewish refugees after WWII.the brits admit the palestinians were disadvantaged in that arrangement.more zionist jews used violence to make their claim after they got there even bombing english police posts.the arabs then vowed to push israel into the sea.hezbollah represents this approach.unfortunately a peaceful solution allowing isreal’s claim and a 2 state solution has been blocked by fundamentalist arabs.
    once the palestinians evolve into an educated self determining people they will no longer be manipulated by hezbollah and others.
    and peace between arabs and jews will return(as it was before WWII)

  • Kay Mann

    palestine is a made up place that has no past nor history. tell us all amie, before arafat – who were the palestinian leaders? where were their borders? what were its major cities? what was their currency called? blah blah blah. palestine is a stumbling block meant to embarrass Israel, and you’ve been duped.

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  • laczara

    I could buy that t-shirt!!!!!!!!!

  • Kathleen Hershner

    Interesting that you have to go to Youtube to watch it…more interesting that they have disabled comments below the Youtube video. They keep talking about ‘unity’ but not once to they actually condemn the actions of ISIS. They’re just telling the viewer what they think they want to hear.

  • Jane Jensen

    These are all from 2014. Islam needs an ongoing loud, consistent, unwavering media campaign against terrorism to counterbalance the ongoing unwavering, slick media campaigns of ISIL.

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  • Joao Ponder

    Well here are some of the protests – this from India. A year late but I can’t believe there aren’t more.

  • Peter Hirsch

    A very convincing series of statements, both written and in video. However, if there is any truth in the polls taken, these teachers are not influencing the people of Islam.

    I thank all those whose statements are here and welcome what they have said or written. With much of it, I can and do identify. I do not denigrate your efforts to produce peace; but you have to accept that you are not being sufficiently effective to prevent a stream of jihadists leaving for the Syrian war or the stream of hate and invective that has, for many years now, come from many radical Muslim preachers.

    The vast majority of modern Christians condemn as evil those who, calling themselves Christian, tortured and burned heretics; who sacked cities and killed those of other religions or none, who refused to convert; who trafficked in and owned slaves; who treated women as less than men; who rejected, ignored or did not trouble to learn what Jesus Christ taught us and commanded of us. They seem to us to have allowed the devil to have found a place in our religion. So perhaps do you condemn the adherents of ISIL and other so-called Moslems who espouse violence and intolerance; who kill and self-immolate to destroy the innocent, especially Jews and Christians.

    Let us agree that the devil aims constantly to enter into men and their religions and corrupt them. This is the same devil, who tempted Jesus during his time in the wilderness, offering “‘him all the kingdoms of the world and their magnificence. ‘Everything there I will give you,’ he said to him, ‘if you will fall down and worship me. ’‘Away with you, Satan! ’ replied Jesus, “the scripture says, ‘Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve’.” We, Christians, Jews and Muslims all share the same God. We are all tempted by the same devil. When we see murders committed by the religious, we should know that the devil has got in amongst us.

    And we must cast him out, run him through and trample him under-foot as Saint George, patron saint of England, was said to have done. And may I remind you that St George was a Syrian, He was born in Turkey; his mother was Palestinian. He’s so multicultural we have to share him with Lithuania, Portugal, Germany, Greece, Georgia, Moscow, Istanbul, Beirut – and Palestine itself.

  • disqus_dDaMcMFxpw

    Amie, ”A large crowed of Muslims in Berlin does not represent thousands of Muslims worldwide”. So where are the others, why don’t they organize their own demonstrations? Why aren’t their united in the condemnation of ISIS which is the most dangerous terrorist organization?

  • disqus_dDaMcMFxpw

    The article only shows some verbal expressions of condemnation, but not visible signs of it. I don’t see any demonstrations, any public outcry in the streets of Paris, Berlin, London. All muslims gropus who condemn ISIS should be united in the protest against the atrocities perpertrated in the name of Allah. And such a protest would be visible in numerous, large demonstration. This is, however, far from reality. The situation resembles me something from our modern history. A lot of historians and sociologists analyse why the Germans in the 3rd Reich did not protest against the terror, hatred, dictatorship and persecution of the minorities. After the war many of them were called Mịtläufer (by-standers). This term is attributed to people who were not responsible for the crimes but nevertheless, because of their silent approval, supported the regime. If the European Muslims don’t do anything to express their disapproval of ISIS, they will deserve to be called by-standers.

  • Adale

    You are right. I havent seen anyone on tv chanting ” death to ISIS ” like they would if we accidentally killed a baby. ISIS is killing inocent people on purpose and no one is chanting anything in the arab countries surrounding Iraq and Syria.

  • Adale

    They are talking about organizations making statements against isis. We are talking about ordinary muslims. No one is protesting in the streets against isis like they would be protesting against america if we accidentally killed a civilian. How come no one is chanting “Death To ISIS”

  • Choanito

    We are…

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  • Miss Taj Alsir

    Really? I guess everything that can tell facts which don’t show muslims as the worst creatures in this world is bullshit to you. Sorry to disapoint you but You should have noticed that the source of these statistics is europol which is clearly written under the histogram posted in the link I posted in the earlier reply. By the way those europol reports were all over TV media and yeah, I can see how open minded you are since you prefer to ignore those videos which tell the real story and show who are the real terorists in here exactly.

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  • Adam C

    This is great to know. Unfortunately, the American populace should not have to search for a post like this — why isn’t it MUCH more common knowledge that mainstream Islam denounces ISIS? Moreover, Islamic and non-Islamic “denunciation” is meaningless without action. What are Muslims doing to fight ISIS?

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    Please copy those links in which you read quran and hadith, that’s of course if you did Actually read it. And do show me those verses and hadiths that says whatever you have just mentioned. Beside I have read your Dear bible history in wekipedia and saw how much minpulation did bible go through and how many bibles are out there.. Now don’t tell me that wekipedia is also another website that is after destroying your humble society as well..

  • Harry Binn

    I’ve read the Koran and the haddiths. The fact that you won’t even look into the bible shows that you have a closed mind. Perhaps I can recommend “The Closing of the Muslim Mind” to you. When you have a religion that claims people at birth as Muslim, threaten to kill apostates for leaving and then also threaten to kill non-Muslims unless they convert, you get a fairly good supposedly conversion rate.

    Go check out the You-tube video on two imams discussing the problem of 5 million African Muslims leaving Islam. You didn’t look at the Sanaa Yemen issue with the Koran, you don’t want to look into the fact that one of first four Caliphs destroyed and burned thousands of Korans that differed from what he wanted or the fact that even one of the earliest Muslim people that documented Mohammads life said that Mohammad had committed acts to disgusting to mention.

    And I’m done discussing stuff with you. You’re mind is closed.

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    Yeah right that’s why Islam is the fastest growing religion in world No thanx I haven’t found anything wrong with quran so that I would look into any other religion.. And certainely not a religion the has been evolved by humans according to what they think would suit them..

  • Harry Binn

    You want to use ThinkProgress as your source, you’re already screwed. Its a political leftist organization that is dedicated to destroying Western society. Try finding something that isn’t some left leaning blog and into sensationalism and conspiracy theories.

  • Harry Binn

    @misstajalsir:disqus . Your response doesn’t bother to look into when was the last time any church got a licence in Aceh. The fact is that they almost always don’t and if perchance they are granted a licence that license is appealed and then rejected at higher levels. This is the same thing that happens in many Islamic countries. No other religion or thought is allowed except the defense of Islam. When you won’t even allow people to gather in fields to sing some songs, which has happened in Aceh, then you have a major problem.

    Many Muslim Iranians and Afghans that have managed to get to Germany are finally able to actually read something other than the Koran. They are shocked at the comparisons of the teachings of Jesus to Mohammad and they leaving Islam only to faced with persecution from their own families and other refugees. You’ve studied the Koran, now read the New Testament of the Bible and the teachings of Jesus. You can find out just how reliable the bible is in its accuracy of history and transmission by reading Lee Strobels book “Case for Christ.” He started researching the book as an atheist.

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  • Miss Taj Alsir

    The article you posted says indonisia not Malaysia btw, plus that they destroyed unlicensed churches. I don’t find that awkward since muslims need to get mosques licensed as well in western countries In case you ddon’t know.

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    I believe I have already mentioned the point which you think that I’m not bothered about.. And this is why people who claim that they are Muslims are killing other muslims :

    Because the CIA and isreal are the main roots of middle east and the Islamic world ongoing imbalance. Yet they call us terorists and the media back them up by showingonly the 2% terorism attacks made by Muslims and ignoring the remaining 98% committed by non-Muslims according to europa statistics

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  • Christian Tanner

    Not buying it either. These Islamic nations need to come out and outright say that terrorist groups are not Muslims. They won’t say that. Oh, they’ll “condemn” them, they will shun them, they may even isolate them and kill a few, but they NEVER condemn their ideology or belief system.

  • Harry Binn

    Mohammad had an old woman poet killed because she wrote stuff he didn’t like. Mohammad sat and watched 800 men and boys beheaded and then took the widowed wife of that tribes leader as his wife. That is basically rape no matter how you look it.

    Mohammad was not a very forgiving man.

    As for the Koran. Look up the Sana manuscripts found in Yemen.

  • Harry Binn

    You haven’t bothered to look at the facts, but only for items to refute arguments. The fact that millions of Muslims are homeless because of Muslims should concern you. The fact that Muslims have killed so many other Muslims should concern you. But you don’t look for or even provide an answer to the question of why they are doing it.

    As for the churches in Malaysia being burned, you didn’t bother looking very hard at all.

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  • Miss Taj Alsir

    Honestly I haven’t seen any churches in KSA but non Muslims and particulary those who were from Europe have their own compounds where they can live just the way they do back in thier countries. The funny thing is that I have interacted with some of them and they were pleased and happy that they can enjoy those wild practices ( which are also considered as sins in christianity) in a country such as KSA, they didn’t complain at all about churches because they rarely went to churches back in thier countries. Those people who you said that they were beheaded which was also the way of applying a death sentence for christians and jews, do you know why they were beheaded? Cause usually this sentence is performed in case of a murder crime and I believe it is also there all over around the world in such cases. But you guys prefer the electrical chairs which cause more pain and torture for the person found guilty before he take his heart stop beating. In Egypt, it’s not churches only that were destroyed, but mosques also have demolished by French when they invaded Egypt and raped women in front of thier families and converted these mosques to horse stables. In Malaysia, the government isn’t demolishing and christians or others from thier homes but in burma the buddhists are burning muslims alive, women, kids and men all are being tortured to death. Yet I’m sure your media haven’t said a single word about it.

    I did Google the rape statistics and child sex and look what I found not like what you said at all huh. You may open the following links :

    And as for ISIS which doesn’t represent Islam at all, you may not know it but the only people who are truely suffering from it are muslims. Over 100000 muslims have been killed by ISIS in the last two years. Countless have become refugees and home less. Muslim ladies are being raped and sold on the roads. Now can you show a single quran verse that go along with such crimes?
    I saw a video for hilary clinton saying how the CIA has created alqaeda which makes a lot of sense. Because every time alqaeda has claimed that they reside, America laid thier hands on that country’s resources after killing thousands of innocents and making sure that they leave those countries unstable and damaged. So I don’t find it hard to believe that ISIS is also a another cover up play for isreal and The US since the background of ISIS leader is originally Jewish. Plus that russians did offer to get join the US in the anti-ISIS war but the later replied with rejection.

  • LaVerne Haslett

    There is no “Common word” between Islam and Christianity. JESUS is THE word, the only word. Islam believes Jesus was a prophet, second to Mohammed. They believe Mohammed is greater…they do not believe Jesus is the Son of God, God himself coming to earth in the flesh. They are waiting for their messiah, one that will kill all Christians and Jews…burn crosses. They purpose there is two Jesus’ their Jesus and the fake Jesus. Their “fake” Jesus is our Messiah, our Savior and our Lord. THERE IS NO COMMON WORD. The commom word movement is America is as damning as ISIS itself. It is backdoor, deceptive, and leads to the path of destruction.

  • Harry Binn

    @misstajalsir:disqus . Really? Where are churches or any other religious buildings in Saudi Arabia? There aren’t any. Egypt in 1000 AD saw over 1,000 churches and monasteries destroyed in 100 years. All over the Middle East, ancient churches that have existed since 1000 AD are being destroyed. Malaysia is now forcing thousands of Christians and Buddhists out of their homes while torching their buildings. Many of the non-Muslims in Iraq and Syria that were invaded by ISIS were not killed by ISIS but by their Muslim neighbors.

    As for Saudi Arabia, it has beheaded over 150 people this year. They have jailed and have on death row a 17 y/o because he posted doubts about the veracity of Mohammad. They have another man waiting for the rest of his 150 lashings because he was atheist. They have charged and executed a number of people they claim to be witches.

    The vast majority of the violence on the planet right now are being committed by Muslims. Look up the rape statistics for Sweden or do some research on the child sex grooming in the UK.

    It takes only seconds to find stories of atrocities being committed by Muslims and every last one of them declare that they have that right because the Koran says so.

    And the word Sharia doesn’t have to exist in the Koran or haddiths as it is fully understood to be the body of Islamic law. Hard to have that law before it’s written. But the majority of Muslims declare that they want that law where they live, whether its in non-Muslim nations or not.

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    versions of quran ?!!! verses which are not even understandable in arabic?!! really ? huh, I would love to know what is the source of your Islamic information since I’m an arab and I have studied my religion for over 12 years but haven’t heard of any of what you are saying here. You know wekipedia is not an Islamic website and it’s considered as the most trust worthy international documentary reference, yet it doesn’t mention this yemen story of yours neither the khalifa burning any quran. Perhaps you should read the history of quran and the history of bible in wekipedia and see for yourself. And I’d like you to copy paste those verses which are not understandable in arabic for me here please cause I’m really interested to read those. And yeah, I wanna see those verses which talk about the scientific facts which you have just mentioned, but written in arabic along with the english translation which you found.

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    I posted those verses just to show you that your peaceful bible isn’t exactly peaceful according to the definition of peace to you guys. Yet, quran doesn’t order this much sentences of death. In fact, death sentence is only mentioned in case of war, a murder crime and committing adultery out of the bond of marriage. Now if you people decide to follow your God or not follow it, that’s up to you. And by the way, the word sharia doesn’t exist neither in quran nor in hadith. I see a lot of non-Muslims living in Muslim countries but I haven’t seen any of them getting killed due to not following Islam. Even in Saudi araibia where I have lived for a while, non-Muslims have thier full freedom to drink and have sex and party all night.

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    You know not all isrealis are Jewish and not all jews are isrealis. And most of the world boundries which exist today didn’t have the same names in earlier centuries. Yet there was no area named as isreal land or the country of isreal ever. Christians also went through war for it and there are a lot of Palestinians who are christians as well. You see Palestine was known as the secret land for the three religions. So the fact that isrealis have lived in Palestine at one time due to religious believes doesn’t mean that they can call it isreal. Isrealis were never meant to have any land of thier own after they have disobeyed God. they have had a long never ending journey around the world and they spent a long time in Egypt as well. But does that give them the right to invade each country where they have laid thier feet once before and kill the natives of that land? And if I may ask, Where are you from Mr. Harry?

  • Harry Binn

    @thedissent:disqus. Yeah, Israel is a fascist state that can’t even get genocide right. There are some 5 million Palestinians, which is a growth of over 4 million from 1950. If Israel was truly trying to wipe them out they’d all be dead not breeding like rabbits.

    As for your non-violent approaches, I have trouble seeing rocks, knifes, guns, bombs and missiles being really non-violent.

  • Harry Binn

    @misstajalsir:disqus. Where was the nation of Palestine ever? It never existed, yet there have been Jews on the land since the time of Abraham. Israel as a nation may have been destroyed by Rome, but even in the longest time of Ottoman rule, Jews have still lived in Israel. Most of the so-called Palestinians are either Jordanian or Arabs from other countries that moved in after Jews started returning and creating actual work in that despotic Islamic hell hole.

  • Harry Binn

    I could go through those verses, but considering that large numbers of Homosexuals are being tossed off buildings by Muslims is probably a better response to your post.

    The nation of Israel was given those commandments but then Israel was also never on a quest for world wide control either. It’s interesting that the gods that are mentioned in Deuteronomy commanded human sacrifice. It’s also interesting that most of those commands were never followed by the Jews, but to many Muslims everywhere seem intent on killing any and all people that don’t follow Sharia practices even if those people aren’t Muslim.

  • Harry Binn

    @misstajalsir:disqus. Even in the hadiths you a record that multiple versions of the Quran existed. One of the so-called rightly guided caliphs went on burning spree to supposedly destroy all other versions but his own. Didn’t work apparently because a find in a Yemen mosque had all sorts of Korans that had been modified. There are verses in the Koran that are not even able to be understood in Arabic. The fact that those verses are easily discernible in Syriac and actually show a Christian influence is even more interesting. Pick up “Impact of Islam” or “Did Mohammad Exist”

    As for your scientific facts, I loved the one about the sperm of man being created in his back, which was actually stolen from the Greeks, instead of the actual area of production, which is in the testicles. Oh, the one about the sun setting in a mud hole was interesting as well. The science of Islam has been so totally debunked it should be an embarrassment to even mention it. Most of the contributions of Islam are in fact from individuals captured from conquered nations.

    As for the bibles authenticity and validity, I have all sorts of true scholars that have verified it. The simplest to understand is from Lee Strobel called “Case for Christ”

  • Harry Binn

    @Tolerance. Apparently you haven’t actually read the Koran or the hadiths that call for the killing of Jews and Christians. Mohammad has no teachings of peace to anyone outside of them being Muslim while he and Allah apparently focused on the death and torture of anyone that wouldn’t buckle down to Mohammad. The fact that this whole story of Mohammad is actually nonsense and the Koran has gone through many iterations as shown by the find in a Yemen mosque is irrelevant. The stories of Mohammad and the wars he waged along with the cruelty he displayed to others show that he had no spiritual value to teach anyone.

  • Harry Binn

    @disqus_PGeZHwzkOR:disqus . You need to do some more reading. I’ve read of this supposedly peaceful time for Islamic rule, but the actual history is far from it. Bat Yeor, as well as Emmett Scott have studied and written about it. Where Muslims talk about the Golden age of Islamic rule they are shown to be off base even by Tarek Fatah in his book, Chasing a Mirage.

    Also, Christianity at its beginnings was never spread with the sword. Christians were almost completely pacifist till about 700AD where, guess who, began to wipe them out. People having to live under Muslim rule have almost always faced the “Pay Protection”, “Convert” or “Die” scenarios from those pushing Islam. Were there some good Caliphs? Yep, but those same good Caliphs had despotic bureaucrats and minor rulers under them that continued the Islamic philosophy of slavery, spoils and violence.

  • Humayun

    I don’t think Muslims condemning these heinous acts are apologists. If you don’t believe them that’s your choice but certainly people who say that they are civilised yet place a different price to an innocent life in the western world compared to a Muslim life can be called nothing but hypocrites.

  • CalebBoone

    Dear Ladies and Gentlemen:

    Muslims have offered to defray some of our anti-ISIS military costs, condemned ISIS and have conducted limited airstrikes against ISIS.

    But these things are minor, meaningless and inconsequential. They are, essentially, nothing.

    Muslims have not undertaken full scale military attacks. These would include hundreds of thousands of Muslim footsoldiers, machinery, missiles, cannon, air forces numbering in the thousands of Muslim pilots and bombers, and countless other things and Muslim military men.

    Muslim countries have unlimited financial resources. They are fully capable of doing all these things.

    Yet they have done nothing.

    Absolutely nothing.

    There is no excuse for that.

    But there is a simple explanation: they don’t want to.

    They have no desire to fight against ISIS.

    Actions speak louder than words.

    Sincerely yours,
    Caleb Boone.

  • ITServe

    Statements from leaders are not the same thing as a groundswell of revulsion and rejection from the rank and file. That is what we are not seeing.

  • Chris Saunders

    It’s not up to atheists to disprove the existence of God. Show the tangible, irrefutable evidence. Look up Bertrand Russell’s quote about the teapot. Seriously, it’s a good one. (I think I’ve spelled all this correctly..)

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  • Miss Taj Alsir

    Is this gonna be the same way you think if isrealis decide to take over your country and call it isreal and refuse to admit that your country has ever existed?

  • CatieAnn

    Wow, seriously you are damaged.

  • CatieAnn

    an eye for an eye ?
    If Palestine put down it’s weapons, there would be peace, if Israel put down her weapons , there would be no Israel.

  • CatieAnn

    that’s ok, most anti-Semites like you don’t have nice things to say about Israel.
    Israeli doctors work feverishly to save Palestinian children from illness and injury, give humanitarian aide, but hey, you just keep pushing that bullshit Palestinian propaganda …smgdh

  • CatieAnn

    You are so off the mark here it’s disgusting

  • Common Sense

    just want to clarify your assertions of deaths for islam are partially right but mostly incorrect. rarely was islam spread by the sword. muslim rule was spread by the sword, as was common of most religions and people of the time but forced conversions were very uncommon. non-muslims under muslim rule simply had to pay a touch higher tax rate and were then treated the same. surprisingly islam was traditionally the “nicer” religion. take spain for example where religions mostly lived in peace until the christians retook it and then there was massive killings of minorities especially jews who had previously been safe under muslim rule. This is coming from a white british atheist before you try and accuse me of being affected by propaganda of a religion i am not a part of.

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    I didn’t ask about the Jewish existance because It’s a religion. Focus Miss please. I asked about the country of isreal. Where was it 66 years ago?

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    Saudi araibia

  • JosefineAnne

    The Jewish people have existed there since time immemorial.

  • JosefineAnne

    Where do you live? I didn’t know women were allowed to wear so much makeup in Islamic nations.

  • Akis

    ISIS is made from the same shit that made Inquisition, Maya human-sacrifices and all the other religion-bullshit practices. FREE YOUR MIND PEOPLE FROM THE RELIGIOUS POISON!

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    Oh you don’t need to worry about me reading qura’an because we only have one book which is the collection of God’s words and we have been taught everything in it for 12 years in school. Instead, worry about your holy book which has been edited and changed by humans over years.. Just go read the history of bible in wekipedia for an example and see how many copies are out there and how many differences are in them.. Huh you must be so confused that your holy books have been classified according to the writer who wrote it.. That’s really pathetic because the bible should have been kept just the way God brought it down without any human interferance. Before you reply back I recommend that you read that history first.. And while you are at it, do Google the scientific facts that have been ntioned in quran 1400 years ago and were discovered by scientists recently in the 20th century. After you read these facts, please explain to me how could Muhammad peace be upon him know any of these things by himself at that time if it qura’an wasn’t the words of God???

  • GEM

    For you “peaceful” Muslims posting here, why don’t you explain this without twisting it to suit your sick propaganda:

    Oh, and take a look at this:

    You are all liars. In case you missed it, it’s called “taquiyya” — the Quran’s term for lying in the name of Islam. And you do it all the time because you’ve been brainwashed to defend your propaganda.

  • GEM

    You are not a Christian at all. You cannot call hers “words of truth” and still be a Christian. You are a Muslim.

  • GEM

    Funny you should quote about killing homosexuals — a Muslim of all people who are well-known for killing gays and ALL non-Muslims. That is NOT what the verse says. Christians are NOT to kill homosexuals. It’s is God’s judgment, not ours. That is God speaking, and NOT in terms of earthly lives, but their eternal lives. Same for all of the other verses you so conveniently take out of context. Learn how to interpret what you read, or shut your mouth. You are a hypocrite because everyone knows Muslims have, will, and will continue to kill gays as well as anyone who does not conform to Sharia.

  • GEM

    OK, here come the atheists. Well, first learn how to spell, then DISPROVE the existence of God.

  • GEM

    Why don’t YOU and your kind READ the “holy book” yourselves? Either you choose to remain ignorant about your own “religion” or you too are practicing taquiyya. Your “prophet” is a pedophile and scum. He is no prophet. And you have no God. And ISIS and Islam are one and the same.

  • GEM

    Most likely, she is a Muslim as well. So of course, she’ll defend her kind.

  • GEM

    Sorry, but the Quran promotes “taquiyya” — lying in the name of Islam. It is considered to be the noble and holy thing to do, along with beheading and rape. They are lying when they “condemn” these acts — taquiyya. This is their way of lulling non-Muslims into a sense of peace and solidarity — and because they live among us, when they’ve placated us, they will proceed with imposing Sharia or killing us infidels. They are all evil liars.

  • David Oh

    So what are these organizations doing about it? Nothing.

  • samantha

    Yada yada yada…talk to the hand…they lie… They’ll have to do more to convince me they’re being honest…

  • gimpy

    They are lying and are allowed to lie to further their agenda. I will never believe them, just take a look, at obama and how many times that POS has lied.

  • Guitarzan

    Yeah sure…so why are they still muslims if, they are against daesh (isis) those that literally follow the pillars of islam and obey the quran. This is complete bull crap. If my belief system illustrated violence, rape, pedophilia and all those things that “please allah”. I would find another path to God. And, before you even start I have read and studied it, spoke with others from the middle east who have experienced islam and left the “faith”. The system of islam needs to be wiped off the face of this earth.

  • RationalFearOfTerror

    “A large crowed of Muslims in Berlin does not represent thousands of Muslims worldwide.”=” A large crowed of Nazi in Berlin does not represent thousands of Nazi worldwide.” Yes it does. Why?

    Because the sacred codex of both ideologies enable the same to be analogised from both cultures. The ‘few’ come straight from the ‘good’ moderate law-abiding ranks of the ‘many’ and as we see for goodness sake where the resource and political thresholds are reached where the full Islamic/Muslim codex constructs can be a will be imposed that ‘few’ turns into the ‘many’.

    Muslims must be damned be they the ‘few’ or the ‘many’ for exactly the same reason the Nazi rightly are.

    No culture has a right to visit terror-genocide against another culture in the same space – be it perpetrated by the ‘few’ sourced from the ‘many’ or the ‘few’ in time as elsewhere becoming the ‘many’.

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  • nonya

    ROFLMAO… I too call bullshit.

    just cause a few speak out against it doesnt make them the majority..

    That makes them the few and isis the many..

    I still have not seen the refugees speak up.

    cause they aren’t refugees… the are isis undercover.

    And be prepared world there was prophesied A huge holy war before the end of the world and i guess this will be just the start.

    isis and muslim are one and the same they all belive if you are not following thier was you should burn in hell and they are more than happy to help you get there.
    just look at the “refugee” riots all over the world…they are not happy for thier salvation..they are wanting to convert us all.

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  • Jakob Nielsen

    There are no “moderate muslims”. To talk about “moderate muslims” is like to talk about “moderate Nazis”. There was no “moderate Nazis” in Germany. In Hitlers third Reich here was at the best some opportunists, afraid to open their mouth. The “moderate muslims” are in fact nothing but coward opportunists, who dont have the guts to say NO SIR to their “Führer”.

    To pretend the Qur’an has nothing to do with the atrocities committed by DAESH, is like to pretend “Mein Kampf” has nothing to do with the Holocaust.

    “If DAESH is not Islamic, then the Inquisition was not Catholic either.”

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  • Miss Taj Alsir

    well I’m Sorry to disapoint you but we’ve been taught our religion very for 12 years in school and I’ve never heard of those ahadith which u have just mentioned. And btw a weak hadith means it is not to be believed since it might has been edited or not told by a non-trust worthy sahabi who lived at the time of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Now here is the thing which u may wanna really do before debating with me in Islam, as u know both quran which is words of God (Allah) and hadith which is the words of Muhammad peace be upon him, both were in arabic and Muslims must he able to read it in arabic then get it’s translation if not arabs. And unlike the rest of religions, our holy book quran doesn’t have any other edited versions which means it won’t be difficult for you to find it online. Read it first and next time you think that you found a defect in the words of God or his prophet Muhammad peace be upon him please make sure you copy the arabic version along with its english translation. And btw, prophet Muhammad peace be upon had a Jewish nieghbor who has been trying in different ways to hurt prophet Muhammad but he still didn’t react back or killed him. In fact, This Jewish man got sick and prophet Muhammad peace be upon him went to visit him and check on him. You may Google it and read about it if you want. another thing, when you read quran or hadith please don’t forget to paste those verses that allows Muslims to kill Jewish or christian people without any reason or rape and kill women and children of other religions. I’d love to see those verses.

  • somnath pal

    Perhaps you have not gone through the annals of history. There have been innumerable kings and queens and there have been innumerable wars fought. But many of the Muslim rulers fought wars with the sole aim of converting non Muslims into Islam. They demolished temples and places of worship of other faiths, they tormented innocents, they raped women and not spared even small children ! They committed unpardonable crimes in the name of Islam. That trend is being continued by Muslim fanatics in some parts of world to this date ! Find out the reason why the Muslim fanatics have been committing such heinous crimes against humanity ? The answer is here. Some of the excerpts from Hadith are reproduced here below that will disprove your claims of Islam being a religion of peace :

    Here are samples from hundreds of verses from the traditions that speak of violence and hatred against non-Muslims, particularly Allah’s intense dislike, manifested by his plans to physically torture them for eternity.

    Bukhari (54:487) – Someone asked, “O Allah’s Apostle This (ordinary) fire would have been sufficient (to torture the unbelievers),” Allah’s Apostle said, “The (Hell) Fire has 69 parts more than the ordinary (worldly) fire, each part is as hot as this (worldly) fire.” In other words, ordinary fire isn’t hot enough to torture non-Muslims. Therefore the fire in Hell is 69 times hotter.

    Bukhari (2:28) – Women comprise the majority of Hell’s occupants. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).

    Muslim (40:6831) – Non-Muslims in Hell will be given thick skin so as to prolong their agony (before they are given fresh skin for a new round of torture – Quran verse 4:56).

    Bukhari (59:727) – Allah’s Apostle [said]… “Allah’s curse be on the Jews and the Christians” This was spoken on Muhammad’s death bed, and was one of the last things that he ever said.

    Ishaq 240 – “The Jews are a nation of liars…. The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people”.

  • pontiac22

    …and I have nothing nice to say about Hamas, who control Gaza. They have vowed to wipe Israel off the map, and they get help from Iran to do it. Nobody cares that you hate Jews. We’re used to it and we say “never again”. If Hamas puts down their weapons, there would be peace. If Israel puts down its weapons, there will be no more Israel. Israel is doing exactly what they need to do. When
    “Palestinians” hide rocket launchers in schools and hospitals, and straps bombs onto women, they show us that they are barbarians.

  • pontiac22

    I don’t believe I know a single Muslim, so what I know is from the news. Most Muslims, the vast majority, are not terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim, at least it seems that way. Percentages don’t matter, real numbers do, and there are a great deal of Muslims that hate our way of life in America, and want to force what most of us see as a very backward way of life. Some well-organized and well-funded groups, as we know, have the means to kill us, and if given the chance, they will. I don’t know how any woman, anywhere, can condone it. Let’s at least say that from a public relations standpoint, Muslims are looking very bad. If I saw them speak out on a large scale, which is what they must do, denounce violence, stand up for America, vow to protect it, and denounce Sharia Law, I would be more trusting and accepting. When will I see that?

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  • AJ Ciafre

    I dont buy it!

  • Melissa Shahzad

    1) Israel was forced Nation and was not created out of peaceful intentions.The original plan was to have two state solutions and yes many Palestine’s did not agree with the global elites of giving up their lands to Jewish settlements and was going to fight to keep their lands..who the hell wouldn’t?
    2) Israel does not recognize anyone as a citizen unless you are Jewish and are of Jewish decent or married to Jew. This is not a nation that is thinking of the minorities that were living their thousands of years.
    3) Israel would not exist had it not been for the international support of foreign aid. They made an industry out of War and will continue to use terrorists or next Aliens from outer space as a reason for military force and occupations and take away civilian rights.
    4) I seen the bottle rockets of Hamas (by the way Israeli government was for this political group in the beginning at least tell truth of they supported its creation) and the military might of Israelis forces. I tell you truth..they pay these political liers and hire terrorists, I call economical hit men, so they can steal lands and take away any rights of the local people that their families lived their for thousands of years. Jews have a right to have a state so does Palestinian peoples have rights to keep their homes and citizenship.
    5) I think Israel created Hamas so they could take the lands of the Palestinian peoples. How hard is it for them to take out Hamas leaders when I see Israel expanding their territory for decades with international support and destroying the lives of families that lived their thousands of years. Shame on you people for not seeing this truth.

  • Melissa Shahzad

    I am Christian and I wont tolerate extremists of any sort even in my faith. Extremists are the number one reasons why this planet will never live in peace.

  • Melissa Shahzad

    I love your words of truth!! May the true Islam of peace be told not the hypocrisy of lies! I am not Muslim but I have Muslim friends that I love and I know for a fact many nations and Muslims themselves are brainwashed into hating others. Devil is wining Earth and humans are ignorant in their beliefs.

  • Melissa Shahzad

    Doubt destroys hope just as much as hate destroys peace.

  • Melissa Shahzad

    I am grateful to the Muslim community that speaks out against extremists.

  • Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb

    How can you be for love and inclusiveness when you utter a sweeping condemnation of people based on your stereotypes against them?

  • Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb

    I seriously doubt you have the theological scholarship or authority to say what is and is not Islam. But more to the point, why would you wish to promote and elevate the religious worldview of Daesh, when the overwhelming majority of Muslims, including the Shia who are routinely victims of Daesh violence, do not accept this interpretation of the Quran as their own?

  • Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb

    Absolutely Israel is to blame for the growth of extremist violence. Likud even has longstanding ties to Hamas who they originally promoted as a wedge against the PLO.

    Never mind Israel refuses to live by the standards it wishes to impose on its enemies, like recognizing the right of the Palestinians to exist as well as their illegal annexation of large parts of the West Bank. Fascists like you always excuse these crimes but we won’t allow you to forget.

    Israel is the real terrorist organization perpetrating genocide.

  • Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb

    “When exactly was the last time you ever saw mass crowds of Jews out on the streets celebrating the deaths of Muslim women and children?”

    The last time Bibi Netanyahu committed the next phase of his genocide campaign in Gaza

  • Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb

    You made no differentiation between Muslims and extremists in your comment. Your entire argument was started as a premise of furthering broad-based suspicion and condemnation of Muslims en masse.

    You invoked this “imbalance” exclusively for the purpose of denigrating Muslims. It is immensely mendacious for you to pretend there was any other conclusion to draw from your comments.

  • Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb

    Speaking of evil. You seem to have forgotten the entire reason why Hamas has a cause to fight in the first place, and it ain’t Jews. It is the creation of Israel forcing oppression on the Palestinian people, oppression that continues unabated this very day. Israel is perpetrating a fascist genocide in the Occupied Territories, even as they have ostensibly the nonviolent negotiating partner they demanded in the Palestinian Authority. Has that caused Israel to cease the settlements and the military occupation? On the contrary, Likud has ESCALATED both and the Palestinians pay the price.

    So if you wish to speak of moral superiority in your haughty arrogance, take a look in the mirror and realize Israel is guilty of so much more over the course of its existence. The very creation of the state was achieved through a massive crime against humanity, a crime that persists to the present day.

    To more accurately represent what they stand for, the government of Israel should replace the Star of David with a bright blue Swastika. Israel is a fascist state built on racist principles of superiority.

  • Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb

    It isn’t your land, fascist traitor

  • Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb

    Mildly annoying? You are a Goddamned liar. Fascists like you are determined to avoid acknowledging Israeli crimes against humanity. People like you are completely lacking in any human conscience. A true justice would be for people to spit on your grave.

  • Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb

    It is an invasion when you forcibly enter a country with arms and use those arms to force people off of their land through expulsion and extermination, crimes Israelis excuse and accept in their amoral cowardice.

    Don’t try to pass yourself off as someone who cares for Palestinians. If you had your way, every last one of those Palestinians would be dead.

  • Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb

    You are not in any way interested in alleviating Palestinian suffering. You are literally a rabid supporter of it.

    Israel is a fascist state committing a human genocide, and in response you demand they take it lying down without defending themselves? To that, I say screw you.

    Notice how the nonviolent approach of the PA has yielded no positive concessions from Israel? Likud continues to illegally expand into the West Bank with no sign of abatement.

  • pateriot

    how can they govern themselves if they are under sea,air and land blockade nothing can enter to Gaza Palestinian officials cant go anywhere they are not free they are caged like animals and hamas has won elections by the people they chose hamas so israel didn’t accept that and vowed to destroy gaza and punish the people,no let me ask you a moral quastion shall we:

    1.if somebody came to your house claiming that he used to own the land and that he was kicked by someone 2000 years ago and he have weapons and if you refuse he is going to kick you out of your house anyways,what do you do??

    2. if you are under blockade through the sea,air and land and not even basic food is allowed to enter what would you do?

    3.if people enter your holy mosque lets portray it as entering the vatican and wants to destroy it and kill the pope and throw gas bombs inside and write bad words about Jesus,what would you do??

    4.if somebody came and dragged your small brother from bed in the middle of the night and took him to a military base and started interrogating him and beating him and exposing him to a military dog,what would you do??

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  • GIGfriend22

    Wish they would talk this to those in Britain that are as they claim representing the religion poorly, rather then to the victims whom are not even apart of their religion.

  • GIGfriend22

    It doesn’t represent Muslims world wide… But it still represents that some how, in some way, there teachings of their religion is not being understood properly, and there for interpreted differently…. I would much rather see these Muslims or Islamic teachers discuss the true meaning of their Quran with those who they claim wish to corrupt it…..But even still, I doubt that they would be able to do that very well……Cause all though we just get a few verses alone to characterizes and support their point of view…. The reality is there is 109 verse in the Quran that support more ISIS point of view. And it is not possible to interpret those verses metaphorically or any other way…… You can’t do it when it says Kill the Jews and Christains where ever you find them. For they teach lies…. Then again one could also make the argument that if the Quran really is from God, why is it showing itself as so divided among its believers… Doesn’t that in itself contradict the very essence of the Quran and how to it’s followers is suposto be perfect?

  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Loaded question, and quite misleading. Since Hamas ended its mass rocket barrage, how many Palestinians have been “carpet-bombed?” And incidentally, if Israel wanted to “carpet-bomb” Gaza City – one of the most crowded urban centers per capita in the world – it could have easily killed tens of thousands in minutes, not two thousand over a period of 50 days.

    It’s terrible that civilians died, but then I suppose that your game is that Israel should have just learned to live with these mass rocket attacks, waiting for Hamas to stop. In any case, half the dead were Hamas terrorists, which is quite a difficult achievement, since much of the Hamas personnel dug themselves in amid dense civilian concentrations, ensuring that Israel couldn’t get to the rockets without risking significant collateral damage.

    But of course, you could care less. It seems that you really didn’t get the Gaza genocide you were fervently hoping for, so you’ll settle on pretending that Israel carpet-bombed any way, and will deviously leave out any context or consideration of intent, because that serves your purpose to defame the Jewish State.

    So, I get your agenda to mislead with a strategy of reverse causation, pretending that Hamas launched the rocket barrages as a “defense” against being “carpet-bombed”. Nice try.

    You’re quite an evil one, aren’t you.

  • Monkeyking

    so how come its ok for Israel to carpet bomb and kill thousands but Gaza can not defend them selves when a group of bored Israely sodliers walk around having shooting practice?

  • Monkeyking

    i want to know what christians are doing about the mass murderes, childrapests, and criminals that are playing their religion? oh ya thats right they dont got to do shit people mass murder all the time in the name of jesus and they just cry about how they where not “true” christians and every one pats them on the back and says it is ok which is total double standard BS

  • 666kkk6

    Islamic Arabs are consumed with so much denial to the point of totally insanity . Like others who practice the Abrahamic Faiths , they cherry pick verses to justify their

    hypocrisy . Yeah, only talk about the good sounding scriptures and ignore and gloss

    over all the other putrid and evil verses that run throughout the Koran . Bible and

    Torah . Let me give you a sample . This is the Holy Qu’ran idea of religious

    tolerance :

    Verse (3:85) – English Translation

    Sahih International: And whoever desires other than Islam as religion – never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.
    Pickthall: And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.
    Yusuf Ali: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
    Shakir: And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
    Muhammad Sarwar: No religion other than Islam (submission to the will of God) will be accepted from anyone. Whoever follows a religion other than Islam will be lost on the Day of Judgment.
    Mohsin Khan: And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.
    Arberry: Whoso desires another religion than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the losers.
    See what I mean .

  • PECKDsm

    It doesn’t matter what they say. It is what they do to stop it. I don’t see them joining any armed group trying to stop the spread of ISIS in Iraq. Remember it was the Others that Elie Wiesel condemned in Nazi germany.

  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Excuse me, but I said nothing at all in my comments about Islam per se. And I clearly wasn’t speaking about you personally. If you read my comment clearly, you would see that I was criticizing the kind of street mentality across the Middle East and Europe whereby Muslim masses – by no means the majority, incidentally – get worked up over every little Israeli action, and yet are comparatively far more complacent when it comes to raging about ISIS’ atrocities.

    It is this imbalance and lack of perspective that I take issue with, particularly in view of the fact that ISIS poses far more of a threat to the Muslim masses than Israel ever has or will. I suggest that you, too, gain some perspective on that fact.

  • Mustafa Khan

    You, sir, sound delirious. I’m a muslim and all your comment seems to do here is smear and create divisions. A human being with an atom of morality would condemn ISIS, so I find your comment, quite frankly, very rude and offensive. How dare you suggest that I, as a Muslim, support ISIS, and should have to hold protests to show that I don’t support them. Any human being with a vaguely moral compass, regardless of faith, will not support such an organisation. I sincerely hope you lose this general hatred towards Islam, a religion you clearly know so little about.

  • tom allen

    Ok, so they try to separate themselves from ISIS saying that they are peaceful yet they go around in whichever country that they move to and harass the public if they do not live up to their beliefs? Is that peaceful? No! It’s exactly what ISIS does in killing and beheading anybody who won’t convert. Don’t be fooled people!

  • David

    HAHAH…Dude…your’e awesome !

  • Simple


  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Ok, so, I guess I have no valid opinion, since you have tagged me as a “white man.” Is it fair for me to surmise that you’re just an angry leftist with typically poor reasoning skills?

  • Simple

    First of all, your comment starts of with “Sorry, but I’m not buying.” Ok, WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU where it matters one single bit on whether you’re “buying It’ or not????? That is the arrogance that white men have marched all around the globe with literally since Columbus sailed. Ok YOU are not buying it, SO FUCKING WHAT!!!!!!

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  • Steven Schaufele

    Frankly, the ability of Muslim fanatics like ISIS to grab headlines strikes me as exactly parallel the ability of Christian fanatics to likewise grab headlines. We rational, responsible Christians can do everything we can think of to clarify that these bozos aren’t speaking for us, but to a great extent the media refuse to notice.

  • Michael Lederman

    Pardon me but showing a list of apologist groups who attempt takuya or kitman by attempting to convince us Islamic groups are not Islamic. I’ve seen the huge protest made by Muslim groups in Dearborn a city of tens of thousands of Muslims where a whopping 50 Muslims showed up. Hardly a ringing endorsement. Meanwhile the vast majority of these listed groups are also trying to bring shariah here in America.

    So lets not spread lies, lets stick to truth.

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  • Jai R

    If any Religion is exclusive claiming only its followers will be saved then it is no good for peace in the world. This “My God is True & Yours is False” is called fundamentalism. It can and has given rise to extremism.

    The ancient Indian philosphy states there are many paths to realisation and communion with the same Infinite Power.

    To be of use to humanity Religion must unite and not divide.

    We must not be manipulated by our religious teachers who have their own personal survival agendas.

    No importance should be given to blind beliefs, rites, rituals which create exclusivity, differentiation and division.

    We need to focus on the common core that can unite Religions. Tolerance, Goodwill, Compassion.

    Search for a technique which allows you develop these attributes without dependence on any external teacher who creates dependence on his her intermediation services.

  • Tony Lapson

    Wow…. just wow….

  • Tony Lapson

    Well said.

  • Daniel K

    If the Islamic State is the number one enemy of Islam, then why have none of the neighbouring moslem countries got together and done something about it?
    The Islamic State is ringed by rich powerful moslem nations like Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Turkey refuses to do anything that might help the Kurds get independence and Saudi Arabia last I heard was building a fence in a not our problem kind of way.
    Saudi Arabia seems more concerned with Yemen and persecuting Shia moslems than with its “number one” enemy in the Islamic State.

  • Danial Younus

    where in the world do you get your stupid info from dumbass i dont want to be mean but i can like others have said a crowd of muslims dose not mean the millions of others out there next time you want to say something use that brain of yours and just stop arguing with Amie when that person has been clearly right and also if your from the uk fix your problem you guys did not map the middle east correctly and now there are problems and now you guys have found out what a mistake it is your trying to fix it by sending more wepons

  • Kevin Wise

    The Koran witch they all follow says to lie, cheat, steal what ever it takes to protect Islam & if they go against or denounce they are not a true Muslums and death is to follow….. So I call Bull Shit

  • San

    Isis is a Terrorist organisation which has nothing to do with Islam or Humanity. I am a Muslim and On behalf of all Muslims I openly say They are Animals, they do not represent any religion Muslim , Christian, Jew or any other. There job is to kill everyone in there way. Plz donot take a wrong perception that they are Muslim. They are Animals. We must all unite to defeat them.

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  • Jo Jo Jones

    These same people are taught by the koran to lie as long as it furthers the cause of allah. These same people believe sharia should be law of the land. These same people want islam to dominate the world. Point being here is , it’s all for show to sucker in sympathizers and governments.

  • Shabeer Hassan


    3:21. Verily! Those who disbelieve in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah and kill the Prophets without right, and kill those men who order just dealings, announce to them a painful torment.
    5: 32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.
    6: 151. Say (O Muhammad SAW): “Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty – We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawâhish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islâmic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand.
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 371
    Yazid al-Faqir said: This view of the Khwarij (i. e. those who commit major sins and would be eternally doomed to Hell)
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 159 ,160
    Ubaidullah b. Abu Bakr said: I heard Anas b. Malik saying: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) talked about the major sins, or he was asked about the major sins. Upon this he observed: Associating anyone with Allah, killing of a person, disobedience to parents. He (the Holy Prophet further) said: Should I not inform you about the gravest of the major sins, and (in this connection) observed: False utterance or false testimony. Shu’ba said. It was most probably” false testimony”.
    17: 33. And do not kill anyone which Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause. And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisâs, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islamic law).
    25: 68. And those who invoke not any other ilâh (god) along with Allah, nor kill such life as Allah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment.
    49: 6. O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 320
    Not to join anything in worship along with Allah, (2) Not to steal, (3) Not to commit illegal sexual intercourse, (4) Not to kill your children, (5) Not to accuse an innocent person (to spread such an accusation among people), (6) Not to be disobedient (when ordered) to do good deeds.
    Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 58 :: Hadith 233
    Narrated ‘Ubada bin As Samit:
    I was one of the Naqibs who gave the (‘Aqaba) Pledge of Allegiance to Allah’s Apostle . We gave the pledge of allegiance to him that we would not worship anything other than Allah, would not steal, would not commit illegal sexual intercourse, would not kill a person whose killing Allah has made illegal except rightfully, would not rob each other, and we would not be promised Paradise if we did the above sins, then if we committed one of the above sins, Allah will give His Judgment concerning it.
    Muslim :: Book 7 : Hadith 3142
    Abu Huraira, (Allah be pleased with him) reported. When Allah, the Exalted and Majestic, granted Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) victory over Mecca, he stood before people and praised and extolled Allah and then said:…………it (this territory) was not violable to anyone before me and it was made violable to me for an hour of a day, and it shall not be violable to anyone after me. So neither molest the game, nor weed out thorns from it. And it is not lawful for anyone to pick up a thing dropped but one who makes public announcement of it. And it a relative of anyone is killed he is entitled to opt for one of two things. Either he should be paid blood-money or he can take life as (a just retribution).
    Muslim :: Book 17 : Hadith 4238
    Ubida b. as-Samit repnrted: I was one of those headmen who swore allegiance to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) that we will not associate anything with Allah, and will not commit adultery, and will not steal, and will not kill any soul which Allah has forbidden, but with justice nor plunder, nor disobey (Allah and His Apostle), then Paradise (will be the reward) in case we do these (acts) ; and if we commit any outrage(bad, violence) (and that goes unpunished in the world), it is Allah Who would decide about it. Ibn Rumh said: Its judgment lies with Allah.
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 161
    It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: Avoid the seven noxious things. It was said (by the hearers): What are they, Messenger of Allah? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Associating anything with Allah, magic, killing of one whom God has declared inviolate without a just cause, consuming the property of an orphan, and consuming of usury(intrest), turning back when the army advances(cowardness), and slandering(lie) chaste women who are believers, but unwary.
    Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 134
    …………… “I do not know that killing a person is lawful in Islam except in three cases: a married person committing illegal sexual intercourse, >>>one who has murdered somebody unlawfully<<<<, or one who wages war against Allah and His Apostle." …………..

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    Come on and face sure reality!

    History has proven to us that in political Islam, there is NO valid law other than the Islamic law, SHARIA. The constitutions of liberal democracies are nothing more than the folly of fallible men and not worth the paper and ink wasted on them. ISLAM is a WAR on the cornerstones of democratic principles: individual rights and freedoms.

    ISLAM is a declared WAR on the very existence of democracy and the freedom of mind in the world.

  • Hesham A. Hassaballa

    Peace be with you. I respectfully disagree with your sentiments.

  • Kris Whogivesadarn

    Bla bla. What a sorry as excuse. Islam is not islam, yeah right.
    Luckily the whole world now sees the true face of this evil retarded sick ideology.

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  • Joe Adam-Smith

    Apparently, for all of these articles here, it doesn’t appear to have penetrated the minds of 80% of the Muslim peoples: This is from an Al Jazeera poll….

  • Wallace Hill

    Belief will only come when the Muslim state as a whole rise up against ISIS and other militant groups and not until then lip service means nothing.

  • Jake

    1- Islam is not based on “The Arab Muslim world”

    2- you make an accusation about presumably being lynched for “denouncing Islamist terrorism against Israel” and then as comparison to your allegation you use an example about Chanon Zaobys salary. NO! That’s not how it works. If you want to make a comparison of equal value the correct situation would be… You would also be effectively lynched and hounded out of society if you publicly denounced Zionist and Jewish terrorism against the “Muslim World “.

    3-you then make another unfounded, malicious accusation by generalizing the entire “Muslim World” by claiming “if only the Muslim World act more responsibly” could act more responsibly like the Jewish world.

    And then you try to excuse your malicious, hateful prejudice, bigoted, generalizations by claiming “that’s not bigoted. It’s just an observable fact”. You obviously don’t know what the word “fact” means. Your personal views attempting to falsely categorize the entire Muslim World as being irresponsible does not constitute as a fact.

    You’re a Jewish apologist and all you’ve done is continually post excuses and lies on behalf of the entire Jewish World. Unlike you, I never generalized all Muslims or the Muslim world as being good or bad. You on the other hand make an unfounded accusation generalizing Muslims or Islam followed by a generalization about how decent all Jews are and then you try to excuse your blatant shameless bigoted propaganda by claiming “i wasn’t being bigote

  • George Krooglik

    My ongoing confusion with things Islamic remains : Islam allows lies, deceit, subterfuge etc IF by so doing, the cause of Islam is somehow advanced. So, if I am correct, how do non-Muslims believe what the Islamic leaders say in “condemning” ISIS etc and that such sayings are merely the permitted deceit and lies..?

  • David Carmichiel

    yeah the whole problem here is that on social media and the internet as well as the media we see little to nothing of this so called outpouring of condemnation. and having read the koran in several translations and spent decades parsing the words of several thousand imams. i find anything the so called moderate muslims to be taken with a grain, nay a ton of salt. the entirety of Islam is based upon the premise that all other religions are bad and must be converted enslaved or destroyed. this itself would not be such a problem but for one fact . the koran is the direct word of god given directly to the prophet mohamed from the mouth of god and so is infallible. oh yes but any errors or changes in the words are superceded by later pronunciations on that topic. this makes any changes in the basic doctrine impossible to make, evn the attempt is considered blasphemy and we all know how islam feels about blasphemy. and truly how did we get to a place where a religion gets the right to decree “AND IT BE ACCEPTED AS NORMAL AND RIGHT BY THE MEDIA THAT THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO UPHOLD THEIR DOCTRINES AND TENETS” on non_believers?????? this truly is the main problem with islam. not the freedom of expression or freedom of religion but the simple fact that we have somehow come to a place where any religion can try to impose it’s blasphemy laws upon people that don’t follow the faith!!! and the media and the liberals uphold this in the name of RESPECT and TOLERANCE.RESPECT and TOLERANCE for what i ask ?? A faith full of murdering savages that if they feel ANYONE has violated their beliefs they have the right to kill them?? that is not how it works in this country, hell that is not how it works IN THIS CENTURY !!! Enuff i say!! Time put these muslim savages and their quiet moderate brethren in their place. Let them kill each other all they want, BUT!! Touch a non-believer and face massive reprisals such as the romans decreed. Though i am not sure even decimation will bring such as these in line

  • Oscar Pearson

    I am not buying any of this either – haven’t heard one word in the U.S.!

  • Mary E. Mayfield Kocher

    Israel and much more land around it actually belongs to the Jews. They lived there for centuries until the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D. Even archaeologists are now finding coins and other artifacts from the time of King David’s reign. Read the Old Testament and learn.

  • Mary E. Mayfield Kocher

    I won’t take anyone’s word anymore. If you want to know the truth, read the Koran online by translating with Google.

  • Mary E. Mayfield Kocher

    Some of the Islamic organizations named (maybe all, I really do not know) for example, CAIR, have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood which IS a terrrorist organization, so obviously I don’t believe a word they say. Also, claims were made that the Quran (or Koran) teaches against violence. Translate the Koran yourself–I did, online–a number of passages from their religious book and it teaches that if people refuse to convert they are commanded to “strike at the neck” (their description of beheading). Islam is NOT a religion of peace. Having said that, I do believe there are Muslims who either do not know what the Koran says, and there are some who don’t agree with that part. The problem is, their religion has a number of practices with different terms, but it boils down to this: Muslims can lie about ANYTHING as long as it will further the cause of Islam ultimately. So… how do you know for sure what they believe? Finally, the truth is that the Koran teaches death to all of us who will not convert…oh, and cut off thieves hands, and kill homosexuals.

  • pen44

    So sadly true, J Leland..

    Yes, Israelis are very suspicious of Muslims, as well they should be…they never know when a suicide bomber will take out a market place, street, bus, whatever. And, the Israelis are not alone in their caution, Jordan has had nothing but trouble from the Palestinians. Even though, Queen Rania is Palestinian, Jordan has so many problems. They gave them refuge decades ago, but they’ve had to keep them in refugee camps, just so that they can keep an eye on them.

  • pen44

    Totally agree, J Leland!! The Liberals do tend to stir various pots just to keep “issues” boiling!

  • pen44

    Like I’d believe anything that comes from Media Matters…..

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  • Rick Curley

    We are like-minded! I am not a Jew, but I am on their side! Keep posting, brother! Or sister!

  • Rick Curley

    Time for all those Muslims to start sending troops, money, and weapons to fight ISIS!

  • Tolerance

    Let’s see, there are billions of Muslims in the world and keep rising in number. Now, you must be a super human if you have met every single Muslim to be able to judge their actions and make such a bold claim that every Muslim in the world enjoys murdering. I am not sure why people insist (and why others continue to be brainwashed into believing) on stating that Muslim’s are terrorists simply because individuals are stating that their heinous acts are in the name of Islam. Could I commit a disgusting act, say it is in the name of Christianity (for example) and everyone condemn Christianity? Why is it that it is a whole community, a whole religion, BILLIONS of people being blamed on the actions of what could possibly be the 1% and worst of all, they are doing the COMPLETE opposite of what Islam teaches. It saddens me a lot to see such violence, such hate. I would love to say I hate ISIS, yet, Allah cannot allow such evil in my heart. I can say I hate the actions and condemn them STRONGLY. Yes, I am Muslim, yet I was not born into it. I am a revert into this beautiful religion that only teaches about acceptance, giving and love. A TRUE believer of Islam accepts Christians and Jews alike, the way it is taught in the Quran that they are on the same path, the same as we are. Do not stay ignorant people, learn the truth and take that blindfold off! ISIS is NOT a representation of Islam. In fact, their acts show how much they truly hate it. What better way to destroy something then to impersonate it and tarnish it’s reputation? Learn the truth.

  • Wouldntuliketoknow Toobad

    Nooo… How about we judge Islam by the actual acts of the people who claim it to be their religion… And that’s it- who gives a shit what the Quran says… it is the interpretation and the actions by the humans who practice it that shows the objectives. Which are obviously sheer destruction terror and world domination.

  • Wouldntuliketoknow Toobad

    Look up history- Mohammad made up the religion of Islam waaaaayyyyy after the Jews made up, the Jewish religion… Yeah I said it… All religions are made up – We have no proof of the existence of God at all let alone any proof of who’s God is the real one… Yet we continue to fight about it- foolishness- true idiocracy.

  • Wouldntuliketoknow Toobad

    This is horrible and is a demonstration that muslums are all in fact extremists- the only reason they denounce ISIS in every example above is that their behavior attracts bad attention and gives others reason to go after Islam- nowhere do I see the denouncement of the actual acts of terror/murder/destruction as being bad/wrong in themselves- each example above mentions only how they attract bad publicity which is bad for Islam- There is something inherently wrong here.

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  • Jill D

    You apparently have not READ the koran, sira, and hadith in their entirety. Most current editions of koran are arranged out-of-order – by size of content, rather than in the order they were written. When arranged chronologically, you can see which verses came earlier/later, and the later verses ABROGATE /REPLACE the earlier ones. It was the later verses and hadiths, after muhammed and his pals moved to Medina, that consistently tell muslims to KILL “Kafir” (unbelievers, but in the most derogatory sense of the word – like “the N word” times ten). It is also fine to lie to, trick, deceive Kafir, rape their women and keep them as slaves, treat them like dogs, BEHEAD them (their most common method of execution even today). It is NOT “pretty much the same teachings you’ll find in the bible and the Torah.” It is pure hatred and condemnation of non-muslims, and has never been (and never will be) changed/updated. EVERYONE needs to actually READ the books of islam IN THEIR ENTIRETY to see exactly what we’re up against.

  • Guest

    HOw ’bout you read the REST of the koran, sira, and hadith, which have
    muhammed’s later statements (which abrogate/REPLACE) the earlier ones?
    In later life, muhammeed commanded muslims to kill Kafir (unbelievers)
    and that it was fine to lie to them, trick them, deceive them, in any
    way – especially if it might advance the cause of islam. This article
    is full of LIES. These organizations may SAY they “condemn” ISIS and
    their acts, but their own books CLEARLY STATE that ISIS is following
    PURE islam. It is a hate-cult that believes anyone that is not muslim
    needs to be subjugated or killed. Westerners need to learn how much
    these people DESPISE us and our entire culture, and will use any means
    of deceit to DESTROY us.

  • Jill D

    HOw ’bout you read the REST of the koran, sira, and hadith, which have muhammed’s later statements (which abrogate/REPLACE) the earlier ones? In later life, muhammeed commanded muslims to kill Kafir (unbelievers) and that it was fine to lie to them, trick them, deceive them, in any way – especially if it might advance the cause of islam. This article is full of LIES. These organizations may SAY they “condemn” ISIS and their acts, but their own books show that ISIS is following PURE islam. It is a hate-cult that believes anyone that is not muslim needs to be subjugated or killed. Westerners need to learn how much these people DESPISE us and our entire culture, and will use any means of deceit to DESTROY us.

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    Malik :: Book 46 : Hadith 46.1.3
    Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “I have left two matters with you. As long as you hold to them, you will not go the wrong way. They are the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet.”
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 415
    Narrated Humaid:
    I heard Muawiya bin Abi Sufyan delivering a sermon. He said, “I heard the Prophet saying, “If Allah wants to do a favor to somebody, He bestows on him, the gift of understanding the Quran and Sunna. I am but a distributor, and Allah is the Giver. The state of this nation will remain good till the Hour is established, or till Allah’s Order comes.”
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 120
    Narrated Tariq:
    ‘Abdullah said, “The best talk is Allah’s Book (Qur’an), and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad.”
    49: 1. O you who believe! Do not put (yourselves) forward before Allâh and His Messenger (SAW), and fear Allâh. Verily! Allâh is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
    6: 21. And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah or rejects His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.)? Verily, the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong¬doers, etc.) shall never be successful.
    Muslim :: Book 30 : Hadith 5818
    Abu Huraira reported that he heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Avoid that which I forbid you to do and do that which I command you to do to the best of your capacity.


    28: 50. But if they answer you not (i.e. do not believe in your doctrine of Islâmic Monotheism, nor follow you), then know that they only follow their own lusts. And who is more astray than one who follows his own lusts, without guidance from Allâh? Verily! Allâh guides not the people who are Zâlimûn (wrong-doers, disobedient to Allâh, and polytheists).
    38: 26. O Dâwûd (David)! Verily! We have placed you as a successor on earth, so judge you between men in truth (and justice) and follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allâh. Verily! Those who wander astray from the Path of Allâh (shall) have a severe torment, because they forgot the Day of Reckoning.
    45:18. Then We have put you (O Muhammad SAW) on a plain way of (Our) commandment [like the one which We commanded Our Messengers before you (i.e. legal ways and laws of the Islâmic Monotheism)]. So follow you that (Islâmic Monotheism and its laws), and follow not the desires of those who know not
    45: 23. Have you seen him who takes his own lust (vain desires) as his ilâh (god), and Allâh knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart, and put a cover on his sight. Who then will guide him after Allâh? Will you not then remember?
    30: 29. Nay, but those who do wrong follow their own lusts without knowledge, Then who will guide him whom Allâh has sent astray? And for such there will be no helpers.


    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 269, 268
    Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah:
    The Prophet said, “War is deceit.”
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 267
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    The Prophet said, “Khosrau will be ruined, and there will be no Khosrau after him, and Caesar will surely be ruined and there will be no Caesar after him, and you will spend their treasures in Allah’s Cause.” He called, “War is deceit’.


    Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4399
    It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. Muti’ who heard from his father and said: I heard the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) say on the day of the Conquest of Mecca: No Quraishite will be killed hound hand and foot from this day until the Day of judgment.
    Muslim :: Book 7 : Hadith 3142
    Abu Huraira, (Allah be pleased with him) reported. When Allah, the Exalted and Majestic, granted Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) victory over Mecca, he stood before people and praised and extolled Allah and then said:…………it (this territory) was not violable to anyone before me and it was made violable to me for an hour of a day, and it shall not be violable to anyone after me. So neither molest the game, nor weed out thorns from it. And it is not lawful for anyone to pick up a thing dropped but one who makes public announcement of it. And it a relative of anyone is killed he is entitled to opt for one of two things. Either he should be paid blood-money or he can take life as (a just retribution).
    Muslim :: Book 9 : Hadith 3506


    3:21. Verily! Those who disbelieve in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah and kill the Prophets without right, and kill those men who order just dealings, announce to them a painful torment.
    5: 32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.
    6: 151. Say (O Muhammad SAW): “Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty – We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawâhish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islâmic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand.
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 371
    Yazid al-Faqir said: This view of the Khwarij (i. e. those who commit major sins and would be eternally doomed to Hell)
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 159 ,160
    Ubaidullah b. Abu Bakr said: I heard Anas b. Malik saying: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) talked about the major sins, or he was asked about the major sins. Upon this he observed: Associating anyone with Allah, killing of a person, disobedience to parents. He (the Holy Prophet further) said: Should I not inform you about the gravest of the major sins, and (in this connection) observed: False utterance or false testimony. Shu’ba said. It was most probably” false testimony”.

  • stranger_in_the_land

    Thank you J Leland Kupferberg for capturing the hypocrisy so poignantly! So many who argue in defense of a Palestinian state are doing nothing more than regurgitating nonsensical arguments without looking at the actual history and facts for themselves.

  • markcrossley

    I am buying this. The second largest religion in the world does most certainly condemn a minority movement – yes, even tho’ there are thousands involved in this brutality, almost a billion condemn this. So, there is some upfront press in Berlin of more radicals, this does not in any way demonstrate the hundreds of millions who do not support this. US press is not reporting this resounding condemnation of these atrocities; this is too bad, because the lack of such reporting fosters hatred and bigotry on a level that is unprecedented. As a person of a blended family (Jewish and Catholic) I am glad that my other brothers and sisters of The Book condemn this action, just as people world-wide condemned the violence for decades of the Irish Protestants and Catholics. Killing is killing and all killing is wrong.

  • dolande

    As a member of the general public I’ll say that no mater how much muslin think they condemned ISIS, I haven’t (like many) see anything of that so sorry, but peace loving Muslims need to try harder, they need to be visible, they need to convince the regular person in the street that they hate ISIS as much as the next guy. That means that the need to know on the media giants door to be notice, so be it go, go ahead and do it.
    Otherwise I think they look band and when extremist christian start looking for a solution by themselves, it will get really ugly.

  • BosnianHeart

    ‘ I saw videos just a few months ago of large crowds of Muslims in the
    streets of Berlin, screaming, “Death to the Jews!” and “Juden Schwein!””

    Really? And there are even 20 bigger morons than yourself who actually believed your crap and hit ‘like’. What is the world coming to…

  • Jmannes

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    This is not about
    religion. It is only about power and control.

    Throughout history,
    this part of the world is known for its gruesome ways and brutality
    with complete disregard to life. Fighting and in-fighting is in their
    DNA. It has lasted for thousands of years and will last for thousands

    If you are a
    religious person (Christian, Jewish, or Muslim) you will notice that
    ALL the prophets were sent down to the people in this region to guide
    them. This is not because they’re somehow God’s chosen people but
    rather because they were so corrupt, sadistic and brutal.

    As another example,
    the Niqab that many women wear in this region actually originated
    BEFORE Islam was even conceived. People their lived as tribes.
    Fighting between tribes was and STILL is a common practice. The
    easiest way to attack a tribe leader is to rape and to kill his wife
    and daughters. Therefore it became a tradition to cover all women in
    black so that no one would know who is whom. The Quran only
    instructed to dress modestly and to cover the hair…a practice
    ALREADY instructed by Christianity (look at how nuns dress for
    example) and Judaism.

    The bottom line is
    that people seem to confuse religion with tradition. The killing and
    disregard of life is their tradition… but the religion itself has
    pretty much the same teachings you’ll find in the bible and the
    Torah. They use the name of religion and twist it to justify their

  • Fente

    No attacks by HAMAS = No retaliatory attacks by Israel.

    Read: “Israel responds – it’s not attacking first without provocation”

    Also – tons of provisions and supplies pour into Gaza monthly by/from/through Israel – much of which is intercepted by HAMAS and diverted away from the everyday citizens of Gaza. All anyone has to do is to read HAMAS’ charter to see they will never agree to anything but the total destruction of Israel. They hide their weapons among their own people, in schools (UN inspectors inspecting their closed schools have discovered such), fire rockets from neighborhood rooftops – knowing that any retaliation by Israel will likely cause civilian casualties – all to be used in HAMAS’ propaganda machine. HAMAS doesn’t care about “Palestinians” it only cares about it’s political agenda!!!

    Finally – lets remember who the real “squatters” are and have been ever since they began drifting into the land of Israel after the Romans defeated the Jews and carried the majority of them away into slavery. Arabs – Annie – Arabs are the “occupiers”. There has never been a “Palestinian” people nor ever a “land of Palestine”. History 101

  • John Deere

    do we trust them in light of…Lying in Islam

    By Abdullah Al Araby

    Like most religions, Islam in general, forbids lying. The Quran says, “Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies.” Surah 40:28. In the Hadith, Mohammed was also quoted as saying, “Be honest because honesty leads to goodness, and goodness leads to Paradise. Beware of falsehood because it leads to immorality, and immorality leads to Hell.”

    However, unlike most religions, within Islam there are certain provisions under which lying is not simply tolerated, but actually encouraged. The book “The spirit of Islam,” by the Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah was written to promote Islam. On page 247, Tabbarah stated: “Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: ‘He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good.”

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  • RationalFearOfTerror

    I can say I am peaceful yet at times I am violent – My individual behavioral variance determines me as a peaceful person?

    A Culture can say I am peaceful yet at times I am violent – A Cultural behavioral variance determines it a peaceful culture?

    Some cultural codex/’narratives’ contain genocide constructs of Other which inform a greater propensity to analogise these cultural codex/’narratives’ into reality whereas other culture codex/’narratives’ do not contain such constructs of Other or are less severe so tend to inform a less severe reality.

    Cultures are responsible for the political terror emanating from their families, communities and institutions via their codex/’narratives’ the codex/’narratives’ are changed or deleted or the cultural derived terror continues – the culture is culpable for the outcomes it informs. Apologies or denial are not enough.

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  • Jason Wheelie King

    Moderate muslims make no difference…this woman nails it !!!

  • RationalFearOfTerror

    Muslims Against ISIS – The only way Muslims can ever be against the production of radicals who inform terror is to change Architect and Builder as your cultural codex (textual and exemplar (messianic) template) consistently constantly informs terror against Other as in time and space as we see it must.

    You have a genocide construct of Other which is exactly the same as contained in Mein Kampf and you deny culpability – you are responsible for the mental schema which informs terror as clearly such terror is derived from the so called liberal-moderate end family, community and institutions.

    This would be impossible psychologically if indeed you were a religion of peace and harmony. Face it change your adherence to a codex of hate and terror against Other or you can walk with banners as much as you like terrorists will continue to be derived from your very families, communities and institutions as you not anyone else have provided them the mental schema to do so. As the Quran says everything in the Islamic text remains valid – therefore what will happen what does happen in time?

    Have I sinned? What is a Genocide Construct of Other and Why it is formed?

    This is not a conspiracy theory it is simply how the world as it stands works

    Own it you are all members of a terrorists organisation and always have been and will be -change your codex or change nothing the terror continues – thanks a lot.

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  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Yes, and the 38 million stateless Kurds have the right to go bat-shit all over the Turks, blowing themselves up in protest hither and thither amidst the cafes of istanbul.

    While we’re at it, maybe the great-grandchildren of the exiled Prussians from Koenigsberg (now Kaliningrad) should start strapping on bomb vests and go suicide bombing in the streets of Moscow in revenge for the ethnic cleansing of 70 years ago.

    And while we’re at it, since more then half the Jewish population of Israel are refugees driven from their Arab hometowns in Morocco, Algeria, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc., perhaps they should also go bat-shit suicide bombing across the Middle East in revenge for their own ethnic cleansing.

    Meanwhile, the Palestinian population within the borders of Mandate Palestine has grown by an order of magnitude of ten since 1948. And yet, even with their own Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and a Hamas government in Gaza, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in these areas INSIST on remaining in refugee camps for no other reason than that they may move a dozen or so miles over the Green Line back into Israel.

    And while all this happens, they ask Israel to accord them more sovereign powers, perchance to go even more bat-shit when it suits them, but this time with missiles and a more upgraded military.

    In the meantime, I’d say that Israel is best off keeping those mildly annoying military checkpoints in place. As for the “daily bombing” of their houses, I wonder how many Palestinians have died SINCE they decided to finally stop going bat-shit with all those missile barrages over israeli cities. Answer: hardly any.

    A little perspective goes a long way.

  • Ray F Hamdan

    You guys are completely off subject, lol
    Let’s not forget Palestinians are not all Muslim, they are Christian and Jewish also

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    OK hold on, country of isreal???? Where was this country 66 years ago?

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    So you have noticed this part but you haven’t noticed the root of the problem!! Wow.. You haven’t noticed that their country is invaded by isreal which has no right to be there and that they r getting killed and bombed every day in thier houses and fired on the Road because they don’t have they right to exist in thier own land.. Oh please, I wouldn’t blame them for what they do.. An eye for an eye! It’s so funny the way you think.. You obviously believe that the land where isreal is residing now belongs to them and that Palestine shouldn’t exist.. But no, Isreal is the enemy and they are the ones who first started the aggressive action 66 years ago, and for every action there is a reaction.. So Palestine has the right to react the way they want..

  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Well, you got me there. Yes, any Jew that happens to defend the State of Israel just so happens to have been formally trained with a degree in “Hasbara.”

    Is it fair, then, for me to assume that you formally received your indoctrination from a neo-nazi organization or perhaps some leftist “progressive” NGO?

    Wait. Scratch that last point. I forgot that leftist progressive NGOs – even anti-Zionist ones – are financed by the world Jewish conspiracy. It’s sometimes so hard to keep track of all those tangled webs – and tentacles – we weave.

    Now, please excuse me while I cash my Israeli government cheque…

  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Okay, so as you see it, the leader of ISIS is actually “Jewish”. And incidentally, I am not aware of saying anything against Islam per se. I merely note the multitudes of crowds in Gaza that hand out candies in the street and cheer when a fellow Muslim blows himself up, say, on a bus or cafe, in order to kill any random Jew they can find.

    Not sure if islam supports that can kind of suicidal murder, but it certainly looks like the masses of Palestine do – and enthusiastically, too, I must say.

  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Well, as a German, you should know that it was a German Gentile by the name of Wilhelm Marr who coined the term “anti-Semite” specifically to apply to hatred of Jews. In fact, soon thereafter, the German League of Anti-Semites was started as a group to support…well, anti-Semitism.

    Incidentally, Israel’s current head of the Central Elections Committee is an Arab, as is one of its Supreme Court Judges. Now, that sounds like a formally “racist” country to me.

    Before you go off calling the kettle black, Werner, I would examine your own obvious anti-Semitism against Jews, based on your warped stereotypes of both the people and the nation of Israel.

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  • Werner Schumacher

    You are generalising the ethnicity of the Palestinian and the Israeli states too much. It is true that the vast majority of Israelis are jewish and Palestinians are muslim arabs which leads me to my next point of saying that Israel is a state in which discrimination was imbedded into its very foundation. Being a Jew in the country of israel is a sort of pre-requisite to key functions within government organisation and the community. There are very few (less than 6%) members of the arab community working in civil service for a substantially large arab population.

    Germans of my generation have been taught to resent the actions of our country and our grandfathers in the Second World War and the Holocaust, almost to the point of it being a social taboo with anti semitism being very frowned upon. However I cannot help but vent my opinion that the typical Israeli jew is a very racist individual. Even the word Anti-Semite is a word specifically crafted in a way for a jewish individual to victimise themselves. There are few other words to describe racism towards other ethnicities. There are no words to describe: anti-black, anti-asiatic, anti-caucasian, anti-christian, anti-islamic ect it is all branded as racist, something which the Israeli state is. Being a victim is a very convenient excuse for the Israeli state to carry out a Zionist agenda!

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  • toasterStreudal

    I’m a bit late to this conversation, but found this thread interesting…

    One – the LRA isn’t Christian. They don’t even claim to be. Many media outlets label them as such since they were founded with the 10 commandments as their rulebook and some Catholic traditions have been assimilated into their culture. Kony himself said they weren’t Christian – he was a supernatural mystic himself. The current group sees themselves solely as a liberation group for the Acholi people. There are a number of actual papers documenting the LRA and their belief systems – don’t just read NYT labels.

    As for buddhists… really? I’d like a link to a buddhist terrorist group.

    Israel is more complex and there is plenty of disagreement on both sides of that issue. They haven’t sworn the death of the Muslim people and plan on ruling the world with their Secular Jewish ideologies though.

    Just look at a list of internationally recognized terrorist groups, and at least acknowledge there *might* be a problem.

  • Sally Fields

    Love you guys…interesting and insightful read :-)

  • Sally Fields

    Get out. What are you doing in the Land of Judea, anyway?

  • Sally Fields

    You know what?? I watch and listen to a TON of news on a daily basis…if Muslims are speaking out against ISIS, then I have missed it. I don’t miss anything, but apparently I’ve missed the Muslims speaking out against this!!!

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  • thatprettymothafucka .

    If they comdemded isis so much then why didnt we hear about it? we certainly heard about the uproar caused by the picture of mohammed with a bomb in his turban, right now i think the muslim communities are fucking shit, if they are not going to show the world that they do not stand with isis, by actually going out of there way to let the world know they dont support them then they might as well be considered pro isis

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    And one more thing, u should have in you mind.. ISIS do not represent Islam at all. They are killing, burning and raping Muslims.. The truth is that thier leader is a Jewish.. And the only thing they are doing us ruining the image of Islam.. The truth is that in Islam we are not allowed to kill non Muslims unless iit’s a war situation.. We aren’t allowed to burn at all.. We are not even allowed to abuse others’ religions.. Instead of depating here and getting brain washed b the media, why don’t u read our holy book Quran. We only one book the has the words of God Allah and everywhere u seek it, u shall find the same copy.. Unlike the other religions which have so many different versions of thier holy books with different instructions.. Please read it, and then judge Islam.. Oh and btw, our prophet Muhammad peace be upon him has already warned us from ISIS and described them for us to be aware of them 1400 years ago as the following translation of his exact words “When you see the black flags, remain where you are and do not move your hands or your feet. Thereafter there shall appear a feeble insignificant folk. Their hearts will be like fragments of iron. They will have the state. They will fulfil neither covenant nor agreement. They will call to the truth, but they will not be people of the truth. Their names will be parental attributions, and their aliases will be derived from towns. Their hair will be free-flowing like that of women. This situation will remain until they differ among themselves. Thereafter, God will bring forth the Truth through whomever He wills”.

  • Nixon Blake

    Calling out another Hasbara ICIC propagator! Go form your own opinions, not one that your country trained you to do. You’re wasting your life and your time buddy!

  • Nixon Blake

    Calling out another Hasbara ICIC propagator! Go form your own opinions, not one that your country trained you to do. You’re wasting your life!

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    What a sick twisted reply is this!! Think again before calling it “immigration”.. Because Immigration means that you live under the wings of that country which u immigrate to, not killing and firing those poor nice people who we polite enough to let u in!!

  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Wow, I see your heart truly bleeds for the fate of the few hundred thousand Arabs who experienced the “invasion” of Jewish immigrants into the narrow coastal plain of Palestine about a century ago. Or is it an “invasion” in your book when only Jews immigrate to this area, but not when Muslim immigrants do so?

    Never mind that this was one “invasion” that attracted mass Arab immigration into those bustling areas of Jewish immigrant settlement on the coastal plain, for the very reason that the Jews were raising the quality of life in these areas.

    No, I don’t think you care one whit for the Arabs of Palestine. What I do think you care about is who happens to live next door to the Jews. Unfortunately, for the 38 million stateless Kurds, they have no claim on your obsessive “sympathy” because they had the bad fortune to live amid Turks, Iraqis, and Iranians – all of whom, I suspect, get a pass in your book because they don’t happen to be Jews.

  • Joe Howell

    None of statements be condemn ISIS for killings of Jews or Christians, they only say that ISIS does not represent Islam. They do not care about Jew and Christian deaths, but the issue really is that ISIS claims to be the new Caliphate and kills fellow Muslims! Do Not buy into the condemning ISIS for the non-Islamic deaths… IT DID NOT and WILL NOT happen.

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  • BrotherRog

    Tragic consequences – but bravo to those brave Imams who are speaking out!
    “ISIS Executes Imams for Condemning Burning of Jordanian Pilot”

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  • Pitboy

    We need one solid combined voice, speaking for 49 countries and 1.5billion people,
    not a dozen different voices using various platforms.

  • Miss Taj Alsir

    Let’s see how you will feel like when your country is invaded by another country..

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  • J Leland Kupferberg

    So, in your analysis, Israel is to blame for infantilizing the Palestinian street and turning them into savages, despite the fact that for the past 20 years, they have been effectively governed on a day-to-day basis by their own police under their own governing authority.

    Nice try at playing the “occupation” card. It might have worked in the pre-Oslo days. Now, all it shows is that the PA maintains this absolutely reprehensive moral culture among the Palestinian street.

  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Ni Yao, that is a morally lazy, a”pox-on-both-their-houses” argument. In Israel, Jews do not kill other Jews for having opposing viewpoints. In Gaza, you literally lose your head if you don’t tow the line on supporting terrorism against israel.

    In Israel, Jews largely denounce their extremists. In Palestinian society, extremism is the consensus norm, complete with children’s TV shows depicting Mickey Mouse urging the slaughter of Jews.

    Israel is a normal, liberal, and admirable society. “Palestine,” on the other hand, is a morally convoluted, nihilistic, place which holds up suicidal martyrdom as a “norm” to be extolled and taught to the next generation.

    Self-righteous moral equivalence can only take you so far in the face of this reality.

  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Jake, the simple fact is that, in the Arab Muslim world, you would be effectively lynched and hounded out of society if you publicly denounced Islamist terrorism against Israel.

    In Jewish and Israeli society, on the other side, we give free reign to our mortal enemies, such as Chanan Zoabi, to serve in knesset on a salary, while working to destroy the Jewish State.

    Oh,if only the Muslim world could act more responsibly, more like the Jewish world, there would indeed be peace in our time.

    And that’s not bigotry. It’s just an observable fact – like the observable fact that an identifiably religious Muslim can freely enter any Jewish community without fear of being lynched by a Jewish mob, while an identifiably Jewish person would do well to steer clear from any Arab town or village.

  • Steve

    You’re talking to the wall with her. I feel sorry for those over there surrounded by all that medieval influence. If it isn’t israel though its someone else the islamists want to make submit.

  • Steve

    No you are not. Its just a little belated with some of you spokespeople who are finally coming out against isis because surprise of surprises they may just be coming for you! These iman should keep their music at home when they are trying to meet other cultures halfway. They come off as arrogant and insincere!

  • Steve

    These are just a few of the other things that should be condemned!

    Apostasy, appeasement, acid attacks, beheadings, bombings, brainwashing,
    burkas, burying alive, clitorectomy, crucifying, child brides, censoring, dhimmitude,
    executions, electrocutions, fire-bombings, fatwas, garrotings, genital mutilations,
    genocide in general, hangings, infidel branding, infanticide, incivism, isolationism,
    illiteracy in islam, jihadist fanaticism, jizya, kaffir branding, lashing, mangling, mutilation, murder, no-go zones, nazi sympathizing, oochlocracy, pedophiles, plagiarisim of western and other inventions, quran bipolar verses of contradiction mecca versus medina, raping, rockets,revenge killing, stoning, slavery, submission, starvation, sharia, taqiyya, torturing in general, terror cells, uterus purification, virgins 72, verses of violence, whipping, xenophobia (as in Islamic jihadist hatred for western culture), you tube (all those “workplace violence” terrorists screaming allahu akbar and all those wonderful other muslim moderates gone jihadist to perpetrate great deeds upon the world past, present and future), zabh (as in cutting the throat).

    Unfortunately, most muslims are okay with what happens when jihadists carry on and secretly agree with them or they are cowed into submission but still take the good of the west. If they really are being sincere they usually leave islam when they see the truth. The others had better wake up though because they won’t like it either when their fanatical associations come for them as being part of the West. I’d say poetic justice but I am not sure they allow poetry in islam, besides 50 verses of how allah is so gracious and whatever!

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  • Tarzmahal

    Americans have been interfering in the Middle East long before George Bush invaded Iraq

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  • Hesham A. Hassaballa

    Agree that my heart breaks for thr innocent of all faiths and stripes

  • NI Yao

    After reading countless debates and talking with countless people I know that support either Israel or Islam, I just want to say here that both sides have multiple points of view, however everyone only tries to see the worst of the other side. In Gaza, there are the Hamas and those who get killed by the Hamas when trying to oppose them. In Israel there are people who want to kill the Pakistanis and those who’s voices get smothered when protesting against violence. I cannot tell you a solution to fix this, this is not my fight, but my heart breaks for the innocent who get caught up in a war between fools of both sides.

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  • Cedric Longbeard

    Every single one of those responses claims that violent muslims are “not true muslims”. Dismissing them as un-islamic is no way to tackle the problem, because they clearly are Islamic. ISIS members have quoted directly from the Q’uran to justify everything they do. They are muslims just like any other muslim.

    All these responses prove is that they are unwilling to even consider the FACT that the violent verses in their Q’uran are sat there like a ticking time bomb, waiting to be acted upon by anyone who reads them. Until they finally say “Yes those extremists are devout muslims just like the rest of us, who are following EXACTLY what the Q’uran says. We need to have a good long discussion about what to do about it”. Until that happens, there will be no solution from these muslim groups. Only denial and excuses.

  • Charles Brown

    There ought to be a coalition of all progressives, atheists, agnostics, and all religious groupies, including Muslims and Christians to stand together against terrorists and radicals. Anything coming from just another Christian group comes across as a Hatfield versus McCoy, Protestant versus Catholic or Shiite versus Sunni, he-said versus she-said argument. Why not start a progressive outreach, community awareness, activist program like Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD). Though Muslims need not apologize for Islam because of the radicals who are hijacking their religion, they should have a way to express their disapproval of radical acts done in the name of Islam. So let’s start Muslims Against Despots and Demagogues Engendering Radicalism (MADDER).

  • Charles Brown

    So, some non-radical Muslims have spoken out against radicals in Islam? Let’s see some decent coverage in the media and stop being so soft spoken about it.

  • mikael

    some one who remembers the norweigan mass killer anders behring Breivik? do you Think he represent the norweigan people? open your Eyes, after 9/!! the media blame the ENTIRE muslim World to be “terrorists, do you belive Everything media says? please listen what this man has to say in this video ,i dont demand people Think like me , im just asking people to…..Think

  • Jake

    You make a statement refuting the information in this article and claim it to be “propaganda of the apologists”. In doing so you reveal that you to have difficulty accepting the majority of Muslims throughout the world as peaceful and “moderate” followers, much like moderate Christians and Jews.

    In an attempt to justify your bigotry you refered back to a completely offtopic and unrelated event where a prejudide bunch of people from the Islamic faith expressed intolerant and hateful views persecuting those who had wronged them from the Jewish faith. (sound familiar)?

    Based on your misconception, Amie presented a very appropriate and irrefutable response within context that :
    “So Muslims are damned if they do, damned if they don’t.”

    And she stated the fact that:
    “A large crowed of Muslims in Berlin does not represent thousands of Muslims worldwide.”

    Just as the hostility from the number of Zionists and radical Jews that initially triggered the Muslim to protest in Berlin” does not represent the many Jews worldwide.

    But more relevantly, people protesting due to their strong political, ethical or personal feelings regarding the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, have nothing to do with this topic or disprove that many Muslims such as myself “haven’t roundly condemned the extremism committed in Islam’s name” .

    A reasonable person would have retracted and apoligized for persucitng us all with their gross presumption and generalization, but you on the other hand proceeded to suggest that Amie is the one in need of “moral clarity” .

    Your repeated references to Judaism and to the Jewish-Muslim conflicts amongst other things suggests your a devout follower of the Jewish faith. The negative feelings you harbor towards Muslims appears to originate from your personal bias relating to religion, politics, territorial conflicts and the topics you cover throughout this website.

    As an avid user on Youtube I am confronted with anti-Muslim propaganda EVERYDAY. And more often than not the people behind those hate campaign turn out to be self confessed Zionists and radical Jews. Despite this daily encounter from these people spreading lies, slander, hatred, discrimination against Muslims, Islam and the Quran. I still refuse to condemn, generalize or stereotype Judaism or the entire Jewish community as being as prejudice, malicious and hypocritical as the rest of bigots I encounter in those comments section. How do you justify your generalization refusing to accept that many of do in fact protest, oppose and condemn the Islamist terrorists?

  • Mad Max

    Of course they are condemning them. If they don’t the western world will watch them burn

  • ImSoCool12345

    A culture with no proper education. A culture where you can’t leave your home without being afraid of the powerful men with weapons in your city.

    If Israel wanted for Palestine to prosper and for peace, they would use their money (which we all know they have) to build schools for Palestine. And no, giving money to Hamas and asking them to build schools is not helping. Hamas are the product of no education. That means they’ll just use the money to continue what’s wrong.

    Besides, have you seen what Israelis do to African Jews?

  • Harry Binn

    @Amie. You know nothing but propaganda about your religion. 50 million Asians were killed when Islam moved into Asia. 200 Million Africans died because of Islams foray into Africa. Don’t try and bring in the Crusades as Islam destroyed most of the civilizations around the Mediterranean by the time the first Crusade was even launched. Mohammad’s religion didn’t even begin to grow until he moved to Mecca and started raiding others caravans, capturing slaves and killing most of the others. That is the base of Islam; violence. Mohammad sexual deviance’s into pedophilia and even necrophilia are in the Haddiths. That is Islam. His Supremacists attitude and unforgiving nature are found everywhere in the Koran and Haddiths. How is this guy supposed to be any kind of a Holy Man when his Paradise is nothing more than an extension of physical lust. Try and compare that to the teachings of Jesus and you don’t find any resemblance.
    Being a Christian is not a label, which unfortunately for too many people is exactly how they want to package it. And using ignorance from Indian people that don’t understand Christianity but lump it into the rest of their deities is a very poor argument against Christian teachings. The big question however on that would be “Is there any Christian trying to kill that Indian because their belief is mixed up”? The answer is no. How many Muslims are out there killing other Muslims because of belief differences? Well, this year it numbers into the 100,000’s just in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan alone.

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  • Amie

    Regarding BTK I was giving an example of how an individual is not representative of a whole group of people. Regarding those millions of Muslims you mentioned: you are saying that all those millions are terrorists. They are not! They may share some beliefs that are different than yours, but they are not terrorist. And certainly, many of those beliefs Islam/Qur’an DO NOT justify. Jesus never killed anyone because he was not in the position to do so. According to New Testament, Jesus has promised a great, holocaust-like blood shed upon his return. That is pretty darn violent if you ask me! According to New Testament, only 144,000 would be eligible to be in Jesus’ favor, all others will be murdered on mass!

  • Amie

    Actually, you are wrong. There is a terrorist organization called Lord’s Army and they are murdering and raping in the name of Christianity. Google them and you will find out about it. They have raped babies even! And, if you look at the Old Testament–which many Christians consider as part of their Holy Book, murdering and raping people outside of the “chosen” people group appears to be directly instructed and condoned. Islamic Holy Book, on the other hand, cites war as a necessary evil that is only approved in self defense. Also, Qur’an instructs humane treatment of prisoners of war. Regarding Buddhism? Oh, there is a lot of their direct teachings that encourage violence! You just have read about them. For example, in Tibbetan Budhism it is allowed to kill another human being if it is felt that Dharma is threatened. In Myanmar, Buddhist monks have called on genocide of minority Muslims because they feel their Dharma is threatened. Modern Israel was found on terrorism. We all know that Jews, believing God promised them the holy land, wanted to drive the British out so that they can establish Israel. There are many of these examples.

  • Ian Sedrix

    Hi and thanks for your message. I’ll try and respond to it. (If it ever sounds like I’m frustrated, don’t take it personally. I do like what I know about you as a person, and respect you, so don’t forget that.)

    How do I start? There are hundreds of millions of Muslims who currently hold beliefs most Westerners consider to be immoral by the standards of the 21st Century. 180-300 million, give or take. There aren’t millions of BTK supporters in the world, though, so what does BTK have to do with any of this? He’s a single clinically insane individual whose actions weren’t based on his religion. I’ve already tried to explain that individuals and individual interpretations aren’t helpful at all in terms of measuring the potential within the Islamic texts for inspiring bloodshed and misery.

    Only hours ago, a Muslim woman walked into a crowded market and blew herself up, taking 24 innocent lives along with herself. That’s already double the amount of victims ever killed by BTK. Again, this happened just hours ago. Does that not make you sick? It should. The reason we call her an “Islamic terrorist” is because she did this in the name of Islam. Regardless of your interpretation of the central Islamic texts, her act was a direct result of having read them. Why don’t people use the term “Christian terrorists”, or “Buddhist terrorists”? Because there aren’t any. No one is killing anyone else in the name of any other religion besides Islam.

    Could this Muslim woman have came across the verse “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” (2:191)? Perhaps. Or maybe it was “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” (9:123). There isn’t any reason it couldn’t have been “When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” (9:5). In fact, there are dozens of verses she could have found within the central Islamic texts that could have given her justification and encouraged her. This is currently only happening within Islam, and it’s happening in nearly every corner of the globe (which shows us it isn’t a response to the West).

    The day before this market massacre, in another part of the world, grenades were thrown into a bar in Somalia, killing patrons in the name of the central Islamic texts. A police officer in Tunisia was beheaded in the name of the central Islamic texts. At least 9 mourners at a funeral in Afghanistan were blown to bits in the name of the central Islamic texts. On the previous day in Nigeria, 11 innocents worshiping in their church were burned alive in the name of the central Islamic texts. On the day you wrote your last message to me, 10 doctors in Iraq were lined up and executed in the name of the central Islamic texts. Should I go on? (The central Islamic texts will certainly go on inspiring such acts.)

    It’s your business when you pray, shower, or fast, as long as you do it in private. Those things fall under what most people consider to be one’s ‘religious practice’. Unfortunately, Islam isn’t just a religion. It has economic, legal, social, political, and military components (and by this century’s standards, each one of those components is less moral than the last).

    Only about 2.6% of the Qur’an is made up of verses which show kindness or goodwill towards humanity. About 61% of the Qur’an is made up of verses talking about how bad the ‘unbelievers’ are or talking about how ‘unbelievers’ are to be subdued through violence. And you defend this? Even in the Sira (Muhammad’s biography), 75% is made up of jihad being waged on ‘unbelievers’. Islam isn’t “under attack by non-Muslims worldwide” – it’s under counter-attack!

    I’m not sure how you’d define ‘evil’, but Sharia law is definitely immoral. Its blatant disregard for social equality and gender equality, it’s requirement that the prosecution of rape provide 4 male witnesses or the rape “didn’t occur”, its barbaric punishments, the fact that a large part of Sharia is dedicated to the practice of human slavery, etc. makes it more of a window into the barbarism of 7th Century than a window into the will of Allah. Sharia law makes a mockery of the progress we’ve made since then, and it wasn’t designed to coexist with or be subordinate to 21st Century legal systems that respect human rights.

    As lovely of a person as you are (I’m sure you are!), if Muslims like you keep refusing to draw a distinct line between a new Islam that’s compatible with a civilized pluralist society, and the current Islam that’s not, if you keep refusing to reform Islam, if you keep refusing to adequately address concerns like the ones I’ve mentioned, then I’m afraid you’re a part of the problem, and you’ll be seen as such. That won’t make you a victim, it’ll make you a victimizer.

    Muhammad said “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” Jesus said “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.” Muhammad said “Allah hates those who don’t accept Islam.” Jesus said “God loves everyone.” Muhammad stoned women for adultery. Jesus said “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” Muhammad permitted stealing from unbelievers. Jesus said “Thou shalt not steal.” Muhammad murdered those who insulted him. Jesus never killed anyone, instead he preached forgiveness. Muhammad ordered the murder of women. Jesus never harmed a woman. Muhammad encouraged his men to rape enslaved women. Jesus never encouraged rape, nor did he ever enslave women. Muhammad had others give their lives for him. Jesus gave his life for others.

    As a fellow human being, Amie, I love you. As things stand, though, right now you’re helping the bad guys.

  • Amie

    Wa-alaikmussalam :)
    Qur’an is a 7th century text and requires some studying and interpretation. Also, Allah SWT in the Qur’an says that there are verses whose meanings become clear over time and some verses that are as clear as day. Generally, scholars tend to agree on many things in terms of religion of Islam and its practice, Islamic Law, etc. However, in many areas around the world the scholars are ignored. A lot of times, you will find dictatorships like the Saudi dynasty deciding who will be the religious leaders in their country. Accordingly, they use Shari’a Law and some of their own ideas/interpretations to subjugate the masses. Qur’an instructs Muslims to use reason, to follow commandments as noted in the Qur’an and to study the Holy Book. Qur’an sets many rules, but also various guidelines to help people make proper judgements about things not specifically mentioned in the Qur’an. That is why we need scholars of religion to help guide us. They study not only the Qur’an, but also other islamic texts to determine the best course of action. For example, Qur’an only says that men and women must be clean when praying and specifies how to perform ablution (ritual cleansing). However, there is no say about menstrual cycle and whether it is just enough to take ablution or whether does one must take a complete bath/shower (ghusl). Since the general guideline for Muslims is to pray in a state of physical and mental purity, after various studies of hadiths the scholars concluded that it is best for women to take full bath, just to be sure one is clean.
    Muslims have functioned well under the leadership of various notable scholars and religious leaders for centuries. In terms of how people practice faith, Muslims have no problem with that. Also, the current political/social issues facing Muslims and non-Muslims is not related to the influence of scholars, rather the issues are caused by: lack of people’s understanding of Islam, general feeling that Islam is under attack by non-Muslims world wide (hence extremism among some), sensitivity to the plight of Palestinian Muslims, dictatorships supported by the non-Muslims (Saudi dynasty, Sadaam Hussein, etc.), economic issues, educational barriers, etc.
    I am just a Muslim woman. I hate the prefixes “islamists” or such in reference to Islam or to one being a Muslim. Why? Because many of those “Muslim” terrorists have been proven to not exactly be following Islam to the T. For example, the 9/11 attacker Atta was noted to have used prostitutes, took Qur’an to a bar (what true Muslim does such?!), etc. Just as much as I would not call someone a Jewish terrorist, I do not think it is appropriate to call one a Muslim/Islamic terrorist. Because, religion is not terror. People individually cause terror. We must also remember that even religious people commit bad things. For example, the serial killer called BTK (bind, torture,kill) killer used to be a church going, family man. He was well respected in his community, participated in church, etc. Yet, for over a decade he murdered women. Just because he was a church goer does not mean he was a good person. The same applies for some of those who act as Muslims. Just because one prays 5 times a day, fasts Ramadan, gives charity, etc., does not mean he is all good person. Only God will decide what counts at the end. People can call themselves whatever they want.
    Regarding separating themselves from violent kind, all Muslims must separate themselves from unjust acts of violence (e.g. unprovoked war activities), not from practice of their faith. Just because one is a moderate in terms of political views, does not mean that person must stop observing religious duties. Sometimes it may happen that a violent person tends to observe more religious duties than the one who is not violent. Again, example of the BTK killer: how many Christians are not very church going, yet do not end up killers? Does that mean all who go to church are killers? No, of course. The same applies to Muslims.
    Muslims stay away from calling someone unbeliever if the person believes himself to be a believer. The reason for this is that God in the Qur’an commands that individual Muslims must not call another person unbeliever if he declares himself a Muslim. Therefore, you do not see a lot of “moderates” calling out violent guys unbelievers. Rather, Muslim people have condemned acts of unjust violence.
    Sharia Law is not evil, and for Muslim people (even “moderates”) it makes sense. Because through Sharia we legally marry, circumcise our children, give rights to parents , spouses, neighbors, etc. Sharia is from God, and is not much different from the Mosaic Law from the Torah. The fact that some have abused it and “added” articles to it to support their oppressive regimes (e.g. stoning) does not mean that actual Sharia supports stoning.

  • Ian Sedrix

    The above video makes it clear that the reason many Muslims are opposed to ISIS is because ISIS is opposed to many Muslims. That’s not so difficult to understand. Why would clerics who feel their very lives are threatened by ISIS not condemn them? And what about all the leading clerics who haven’t condemned ISIS? This video above shows they’re more concerned with Muslim solidarity than anything else. Shame on them.

    No one is dictating to Muslims what they believe. People are fed up with the fact that Islam is still such a source of outdated 7th Century ideas that it consistently creates a much too sizable minority of people whose values are clearly incompatible with the 21st Century.

    My comments, for example, are fueled by love and a desire for inclusiveness, against the hatred and divisiveness that stems from today’s Islam. Does it offend you that I take such a stand? In the larger picture, your or my interpretation of Islam doesn’t matter at all. What matters are the results of all of Islam’s interpretations in total, and those results are catastrophic.

    The Westboro Church? They can barely keep their 40 members, and everyone else condemns their views. The Lord’s Resistance Army? They’re a small group of about 200 occultist mercenaries, mostly children, funded by an Islamic regime. Even at their height, the LRA still only numbered in the thousands, and their core of well-trained fighters consisted of only a few hundred (although they did kill many people).

    Compare that with the fact that there exists today an estimated 180-300 million Muslims who are either A) terrorists or B) Islamists who hold beliefs unacceptable by all standards of modern civilization, and we begin to realize that none of your analogies hold up to scrutiny.

    If you respond, please answer these questions honestly:
    1) Do you believe people who criticize Islam should be prosecuted?
    2) Do you want Sharia law in the West?
    3) Do you think suicide bombings against Western soldiers or citizens are justified in the name of Islam?

  • emilysam

    That is a very interesting insight, and I think it is true. I also think that the reason we may compliment others is because we see something we admire, and it is not jealousy or envy ( although for some it is) a characteristic , quality, talent, ability that we do not have, which we also respect.
    Professions aside, by nature and because my life experiences have given me the ability to see how others thick and why…sometimes I am wrong , more often right. And I am not being arrogant truly…
    Will let you know if we come up with a plan::))

  • Ian Sedrix

    Compliments often remind of the fact that the people giving them out are usually only able to recognize what they see in the other because they have it within themselves… makes it a lot easier to accept compliments sometimes.

    Let me know if you guys come up with a plan.

  • Ian Sedrix

    As-salām ‘alaykum and thank you for your kindness, and all your words. They cause me to think of many things.

    If, as you say, the Qur’an in Arabic is clear, then why do Arab Muslims need Sharia scholars (who, as you also say, are only human beings and not ‘holy’) telling them what Islam
    forbids and what Islam allows? It seems to me that if the Qur’an is clear, we shouldn’t need
    these men to write thousands and thousands of pages of what we now know to be immoral interpretations.

    Why do Muslims anywhere allow these writers and scholars to pretend they know more than what Muhammad and His companions knew? These men have taken a power that was not theirs to take. A Reformation of Islam must remove their power, no matter how hard they fight to keep it.

    I’m so glad you consider yourself to be a moderate Muslim and not an Islamist. We call
    those who actually commit acts of terror “Islamic terrorists”, while
    “Islamists” are simply those who justify things like
    the suicide bombings of innocents, death to apostates, prosecution for
    those who criticize Islam, honor violence towards women, and Sharia law,
    etc. (Unfortunately, there are currently hundreds of millions of
    “Islamists” in the world who hold such immoral values.)

    Nevertheless, the world’s concern isn’t with single interpretations, but with the
    combination of all possible interpretations. In other
    words, we don’t believe terrorists or Islamists are the problem any
    more than we believe people such as yourself are the problem. The
    problem is that Islam creates both
    (and if I understand what you’re saying, this may be a result of Islam’s reliance today on imperfect and immoral scholars
    who think they know more than Muhammad). In any case, the consistent minority of
    Islamists and terrorists is always too sizable.

    That’s why many in the world consider that as long as Muslims like you and Muslim terrorists are both calling yourselves “Muslims”, you exist together like a set of conjoined twins. The blood on the hands of terrorists, who mostly kill other Muslims, will continue to stain you as well, until these two conjoined twins are separated (which, as we know, is often a necessity when two such twins are joined).

    So moderate Muslims like yourself who do not hold the immoral values of Islamists must begin to separate yourselves, or be separated, from those who do. Muslims who choose to defend the right of terrorists and Islamists to
    call themselves “Muslim” are Islamists in everything but name. Islam therefore must be peacefully reformed in order that it only reflect the scope of acceptable interpretations made by moderate Muslims who embrace equality like yourself.

    I’m on your side against the terrorists and Islamists. Those Muslims who truly believe in kindness (as I do) and truly want all Muslims of the world to co-exist with other Muslims and non-Muslims (as I do) must also choose which side they’re on, with the understanding that not choosing between the
    two sides is essentially the same as aligning with the terrorists and Islamists.

    So, on one side we have terrorists and Islamists who value inequality, Sharia law, and theocracy, and on the other we have both Muslims and non-Muslims who value equality, freedom of speech, and liberal democracy (and, of course, kindness). Go team!

  • Amie

    I will give you credit in terms of hadith collections (sayings attributed to Prophet Muhammad pbuh, his family and friends) (which are not Divine Revelation in Islam) as many hadiths contradict themselves and make no sense. However, you do not understand Qur’an (Islamic Holy Book) and most likely make your judgement of it based on the English translation of the interpretation and weak commentaries (both from non-Muslims and Muslims). Qur’an is way more kind than Bible and hadiths combined! The issue comes into play with the Arab Muslims because for many of them (e.g. Saudi Arabia) hadiths play into the government laws and regulations which limit rights of minorities, different Muslim sects and even Muslim women in general. A lot of radicals’ ideas are not based on the Qur’an as much as they are on the hadiths. For example, in the true Islamic Law as derived from the Qur’an there is no stoning punishment for adultery, yet supposedly hadiths have it. Guess which one is used as a “law” in countries like Saudi Arabia? You guessed: the hadiths. Majority of the Muslim world cannot do much about individual countries besides supporting the rights organizations (which do exist in Muslim nations) and put international pressure on the governments and religious leadership.Martyrdom and jihad are the core beliefs of Islam in general. Both, as defined by Qur’an, are tied to justice, self-improvement and self-defense NOT unprovoked violence and playing victim. You may be fighting your own jihad if you are striving to be a good, law-abiding citizen. Others may be doing their jihad by trying to make something of themselves by getting education and good job. Others yet are in jihad by trying to complete all religious obligations such as fasting, prayers and charity. Some may be in jihad if they are fighting for their survival. The media wants and the radicals want you to believe that jihad only means war, but that is not true. The simple meaning of jihad is: struggle, and has various dimensions to it.

  • emilysam

    I completely agree. As for talking about professions it is difficult, it is never a good idea to use any private information, emails and such. I was asking my husband if he knew of another way- he is far more
    tech”savvy then I am….I just find your posts/comments very insightful, which I rarely come across on these discussion boards. Perhaps we will figure out away via Disqus.

  • Ian Sedrix

    Neither of us are “brainwashed”, we just need to employ some of our critical thinking skills here.

    If given the choice, would a large village of starving people choose 40 apples or 200,000 oranges? Would both choices not result in their receiving food? Yes, but clearly, size and scope sometimes matters. Why do I say this? Because Muslim extremists murder more innocents every day than the KKK has in over 50 years. Not a small difference.

    Let’s talk about the Central African Republic. There’s a Christian majority there. In recent years, militant Muslim extremists (called the ‘Seleka’) staged a military coup there, putting in their own president (the first Muslim president in the country’s history), and promptly began an Islamic terror campaign, killing innocent men, women, and children. Events you just described as “Christians killing Muslims” are in fact the counterattacks against these Islamic extremists and those perceived to be collaborating with them.

    Of course, the death of one innocent is one too many, but when a teacher removes a bullying child from a playground, she’s not becoming the ‘bully’.

    Now about the Irish Conflict. It wasn’t a religious conflict. How do we know this? Because not only were Catholics and Protestants on both sides of the conflict, but If doctrine had really been at issue, we’d be seeing the same conflict playing out all over the world (as we see with Islamic extremism).

    Rick, if you respond to me again, I ask you stick to these topics. I was respectful enough to address each of your points, so don’t simply ignore mine and begin listing other grievances in what usually seems like a never-ending game of terrorist-narrative whack-a-mole. If you can think about where it is that you and I might be able to find some common ground, tell me where.

  • Ian Sedrix

    Exactly. We’re left wondering how much sleep he’s lost over the innocence of the defendants he’s prosecuted.

    As long as one intends on having meaningful conversations that go somewhere, people like Mr. W probably aren’t worth the effort it takes to tap a keyboard.

    Somewhere in myself, though, I always seem to hold out for the possibility that there’s some untapped reservoir of humanity inside people like that. Despite their behavior, I’d be willing to sit back down with them again in an instant if I really saw a turnaround. That’s not to say I don’t have my limits, but until those lines are crossed, it just feels right to keep that option open on a case-by-case basis.

    Humans are social animals. Humans talk. It’s a shame, though, that out of all the reasons humans enter into discussions, getting to the truth of a matter appears so rarely to be one of them.

    As far as what my profession is… Or yours… I wouldn’t hesitate talking about that if you knew of a way that wasn’t so out in the open.

  • ricksnazzle

    have you heard of the Christian organization, ku klux klan? you’re going to tell me they’ve never killed anyone? seriously?

    look up whats been happening in the Central African republic the last couple of years with Christians killing Muslims.

    how about Northern Ireland? how could you forget about all that catholic-Protestant war that has been going on for years? you want more examples or do you want to continue to be brainwashed?

  • emilysam

    I do not know what you your profession is, but you have an excellent understanding of psychology, how an individual really feels and thinks, not not his outer persona. I know because emotions are my “specialty”.

    He ( and we both know who “he” is, has already arrived at a verdict, and is not try interested in the evidence, but pretends he is, by playing mind games.
    A complete waste of time , might as well knock your head against a brick wall.

  • Ian Sedrix

    Unfortunately, yes, I have run into the type of people you were asking me about (I saw your question before it was gone). Seemingly intelligent people using arrogance as a shield, as if to protect any exposure of weakness they might have; or maybe using it like scar tissue, covering up old wounds received for having exposed perceived weaknesses in the past. In any case, it’s born out of weakness, and it’s driven by fear. Even a hamster would get dizzy with the circular reasoning of such an arrogant scapegoating narrative.

    Similarly, I hate to think why posts as hostile as the ones Hunter Watson wrote are authorized, while other notable posts are not. Speaking of which, good call on the lawyerly insight. Unwittingly, this Hunter Watson character seems to make a better case for why lawyers have such a bad rap than for why antisemitism exists.

  • Ian Sedrix

    The only thing I assume about Muslims, Amie, is that they have the potential for being great people – as great as anyone else, in every way. A lot of Muslims are great, I know. That’s not the point. I have nothing against Arab Muslims. People are people.

    The only problem I have is with the consistent potential of the central Islamic texts create a sizable minority who hold ideas which are incompatible with modern civilization. The polls are all out there.

    Politics haven’t helped, for sure (and we probably agree on many things), but the violence and subsequent victimhood mentality we see Islamic fundamentalists demonstrate comes first and foremost from their holy books.

    It that just a theory? No. It’s right there in their doctrine as plain as day for every would-be Islamic radical to see, and since Muslims are by far the biggest victims of it, it’s not doing anyone any good pretending it stems from anywhere else. I say all of this with love, not hate.

    I think we need to support the efforts of reasonable Muslim moderates (like Maajid Nawaz, since the dangerous sketchy moderates like Reza Aslan can’t even bring themselves to condemn Bin Laden).

    (If you can, look at my response to Ricksnazzle – Islamic radicals are killing Hindus in India, Animists in South Sudan, Buddhists in Bangladesh, etc. It really has nothing to do with the West.)

  • emilysam

    After a moments thought, make that a split second, I could not agree with you more. Your assessment regarding her comments are right on target. Nice job!!

  • Ian Sedrix

    Please see my answer to Ricksnazzle.

  • Ian Sedrix

    Have I read the Bible? Yea, I’ve read the Bible and the Koran. You don’t have to like the Bible to agree with what I’m saying.

    Not only did Christianity and Judaism have Reformations (while Islam did not), but the doctrines also have major differences. Do yourself a favor and read a side-by-side comparison of Islam and Christianity. Educate yourself.

    Don’t you read headlines from time to time? In the Philippines yesterday, for example, 3 innocents were slaughtered by Islamist fundamentalists, in the name of Islam. Meanwhile in Thailand, they gunned down an innocent couple selling vegetables. The day before, they beheaded at least 4 innocent women in Iraq, in separate incidents, simply for “leaving Islam”. The day before that, they butchered 50 villagers in the Congo with axes and machetes, and the day before that, they slit the throats of 45 villagers in Nigeria after tying them up in row.

    All of this blood and misery, every single day, in nearly every corner of the globe, in the name of Islam. Would anyone be the least surprised if Islamic fundamentalists are killing in the name of Islam right now as I speak? Of course not.

    Answer me this: how many innocents are being killed in the name of any other religion? 0. Did you read that? The answer is zero. Read poll results regarding Muslim views on martyrdom, Jihad, honor violence, domestic violence, apostasy, blasphemy, and justification for the death of innocents.

    (You’re an atheist? Read – or listen – to people like Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Sam Harris, Douglas Murray, or Pat Condell on this specific issue.)

  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Of course, you’re missing my entire point. Are you more interested in an alleviation of Palestinian suffering or in condemning the State of Israel?

    If the Israelis were as bad as you say, it would seem that there is little the Gazans could do to alleviate their suffering. But fortunately, we have a test case for comparison: The West Bank Palestinians. Since the Israelis are far more invested in West Bank territory than in Gaza, one would expect the “occupation” to cause more repression and suffering there than in Gaza. Yet that’s not the case.

    Why? Because there is generally cooperation and quiet between the PA and Israel, and Hamas is not given a foothold to give the land over to terrorist provocations. In some areas, the Palestinians in the West Bank flourish far more than in Gaza.

    But do you care? Of course not. In my view, you treasure Palestinian suffering only for the opportunities it gives you to condemn Israel. If the people living in Gaza were persecuted Kurds, you’d suddenly forget about “Palestine” and concentrate on Kurdish liberation rights.

    Yes, I understand your kind completely.

  • Harry Binn

    @disqus_l49GibMh8X:disqus. The difference is that we don’t kill people for witchcraft in Western society any longer do we? And the claim that the West is responsible for the violence in the Middle East is nonsense. They have been killing each other in the Middle East for 1,000’s of years before the West even became a power. I am also well aware that other minorities are being persecuted in Islamic countries and that other Muslims are suffering from that persecution. What you don’t say is that is Muslims that are doing the persecutions. Did you know that the idea of witchcraft in Europe was mostly laughed at as superstition in 600 AD? It was re-introduced into Spain by the invasion by Muslims. Today, between 80 to 90 percent of all terrorist acts of violence are committed by Muslims. The more a Muslim reads his Koran and Haddiths the more likely they are to either apostatize by rejecting Islam or begin to look for ways to establish Sharia law through violence and deceit. This the main apparently why children of Muslims in Western societies are rejecting their parents versions of Islam and searching out groups like ISIS and Al Queda.

  • Amie

    The persecutions are happening not just to Christians but other minorities AND Muslims as well. The majority of the Middle East countries are in the midst of the civil wars instigated by the Western powers with their tactics of divide and conquer. There are many people around the world believing in the power of witchcraft, including the West. In the West you call them Druids and Wiccans. I actually worked with someone who was proud priestess of witchcraft (and I live in the U.S.). So, just because you believe it is superstition, there are millions who believe it is real, and not just Muslims. Christians in Europe believe in witchcraft too. For example, some of the famous witches are from eastern Serbia (Europe) practicing Vlah magic, believed to be one of the most powerful kind in the world in the occult circles (#1 being Vodoo, #2 being Arabic magic, #3 Vlah magic). Anyway, there are non-Muslim nations in which cultures witchcraft is real and something their societies are against: Angola (75% Christian), DR Congo (95% Christian), and Ethiopia (63% Christian, 3% non-monotheistic and about 33% Muslim). In Angola, orphan children are viewed as witches. Common horrible practices are to beat, starve, chain and blind those children. In DR Congo, the estimates show over 20,000 children are homeless because they were expelled from their homes due to the accusations of witchcraft. In Ethiopia, it is believed that individuals born with abnormalities are evil. They are murdered. Children are taken to jungles or drowned. I am not saying that I approve of those practices, but my point is that belief in witchcraft and persecution of the witches is not common to Muslims or Islamic countries. In fact, Qur’an does not command punishment in this world for witchcraft but God promises Hell for those who practice it in the Afterlife. Islam is not the religion of the sword. For example, when Islam came with Ottomans to the Balkans, majority of Bosnian Christians accepted Islam without the sword. You do not know Islam and how dare you attack my religion or my God! In fact, Christianity has spread with sword in Americas, Europe (numerous crusades against heretics, witches, Jews, Muslims), etc. You got nothing to say for Islam. Many people have accepted Islam without the sword. The same cannot be said for Christianity until the 20th century or so when the churches decided to start sending missionaries. And, many of the new converts to Christianity remain to practice non-Christian beliefs. For example, I have met many Asians from India who believe cows are “gods” yet they supposedly believe in Jesus. They would refuse to eat beef because they still believe “cow is god.” Go figure.

  • Amie

    Palestinians are under occupation, and have been since 1948. Who is Israel to dictate who Palestinians vote for? Why is it that Muslims must negotiate with blood thirsty enemies, but the enemies cherry pick who they want to negotiate with? You are making it sound as if Israel did someone a favor by “unilaterally” withdrawing its troops in 2005. They certainly did not do it for peace or anything similar. The living conditions of people in Gaza are horrible, whether they live in peace with Israelis next to them or not. Israel controls their water supplies, access to the sea, movement, etc. The destruction of infrastructure that Israel has caused to Palestinians is terrible. Many of those people in Gaza have loved ones in Israeli concentration camps called “jails” on bogus “terrorist” charges. So, why would those people like Israelis then? A lot of the prisoners are children. Are children terrorists? Israel is a racist entity as seen by the treatment of people of different ethnic and racial backgrounds (e.g. African Jews, Muslim Palestinians, Christian Palestinians, etc). I got nothing nice to say about Israel.

  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Yahya, no reasonable person is arguing that the majority of Sunni Muslims support ISIS. Clearly, they do not. But on the other hand, what is worrisome is that ISIS’ ability to recruit among Muslims worldwide is due to some disturbing values that are indeed normalized throughout the Arab Muslim world.

    Specifically, the celebration and praise for terrorists who blow themselves up as “martyrs”, targeting any and all Jews they might find. When four rabbis were mercilessly slaughtered in a synagogue with meat cleavers, mass crowds in Gaza were out celebrating, throwing candies and waving meat cleavers. What kind of culture breeds that type of normative mass behavior?

    When exactly was the last time you ever saw mass crowds of Jews out on the streets celebrating the deaths of Muslim women and children? Honestly, Yahya, I think the key to peace is for the Palestinian street to start emulating the values of the Jewish street. Only then will we have peace in our time.

  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Amie, looks like you need a little moral clarity, and perhaps a dose of legal reasoning. After Israel unilaterally withdrew its troops in 2005, the Palestinians in Gaza had an excellent opportunity to govern their lives productively, and could have easily reached out to Israel to accommodate them.

    Instead, they voted in an entity committed to the destruction of the Jewish State. Now, I see you’re making two arguments: that they’re resisting “occupation” and that they are still sour grapes over being “kicked out” 70 years ago.

    So which is it? Do they want Israel out of their hair in Gaza? Or do they want the opportunity to destroy Israel and to reverse the results of 1948? If the latter, then international law empowers Israel with the moral and legal right to preempt any hostile attempt to destroy or destabilize the Jewish State.

    And if that’s the case, then Hamas has some agency over how this “occupation” plays out. If they stop, disarm, and amend their intent to destroy Israel, then they can challenge Israel at that point to ease off. And isn’t that want you want in the end? If so, you should be counseling your Hamas friends to ease off, so as to improve their lives.

    Or are you – as I suspect – more interested in seeing Gazans played by Hamas as pawns in order to box in the Jewish State you so clearly despise? In which case, you don’t really care a fig for the day-to-day lives of Gazans.

  • ricksnazzle

    it’s not the book that condemns certain groups of people to a fiery “hell” based on a belief you have that may or may not even be true?

  • Jeff Morrison

    Stil no god, Harry and your words are just words. I question your facts listed here but your motivation is clear and proof of everything that I believe and stated. Good luck to you sir but then you won’t really need it you have “god” on your side.

  • Harry Binn

    @jeff_morrison:disqus This will be my last post on this one. You ever hear of Phrenology? It was the science of reading ones health by the shape of the skull. They had full clinics involved in it at one time. It was garbage science at its best. You write about the accomplishments of science but you ignore the dangers of science. Elon Musk from the Space-X program is warning that “AI” is on the way to wiping out all of humanity. Not sure if you are aware of this or not, but since the 1980’s over 1.25 billion fetus’ have been aborted. Its over a million abortions a month. Science has no heart or compassion. The other major question is how do you define any moral ethics? They shift from generation to generation and from culture to culture. At some point cannibalism may be in vogue. Some character in Germany actually served an umbilical cord cooked up as some form of appetizer for his guests.

    Jeff. You cannot ignore the abuses done in the name of science while also ignoring the great contributions done by religious people. It was Christians that started free schools and hospitals back in 300 to 600 AD. It was Jesus that taught that all life, Jew or Gentile, free or slave, child or adult, male of female that had intrinsic value. Science makes no distinction on intrinsic value and it will destroy anything that it deems unnecessary.

    All the best to you dude. Keep reading. Christians may not be the best representation of God, but then, God cannot be defined by the actions and abuses of individuals either.

  • Jeff Morrison

    Correct Harry, religion is a map to explain the wonder of consciousness from 2000 years in the past. As I stated in my initial post here, science has a much broader and more expanded view of the universe, let alone a small part of the world in the Middle East than the major religions. The sun revolves around the earth and the earth was flat remember? Were they wrong or ignorant? Either way why would you believe it? And unlike religion science seems to unite people. The recent landing of the probe on the comet is a great example of what people can do in the name of science and explaining the universe. This was done by a multi national team. It will take the world some generations to wake up to this fact but the tide is turning against the ignorance and regressive nature of religion. Sorry I’ve spent too much of my life in a religious pursuit before seeing the writing on the wall. I’m spending zero time to find your god whichever one it might be. The answers do not lie in the scriptures of any kind. They have not worked in the past and the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Religion is done and the people who practice it are deluded and unhealthy.

  • Harry Binn

    @Jeff. The problem you have with your argument is that if no God exists then religion is a man made philosophy only. If it is a man made philosophy then the root problem is not the philosophy but the the people creating it. Religion is no more than a tool then. This makes the worlds atrocities a problem created by people. Why? I’ll state it again; because without a God then people have created the religion and religion is nothing more than a tool used by them.

    Peter Hitchens, the brother of the famous atheist Christopher Hitchens, was an atheist until he went to live and work in an atheistic country. His book “Rage Against God” is a very interesting read.

    Man has committed atrocities since the beginning of time. If a supreme being exists outside of our time and space than the ultimate objective would have very little to do with the limited and fleeting time we exists here. It would be to prepare us for living in dimension they have and the way we treat each other here as well as the motivations of our heart would be the litmus tests of our success; and that would probably go for benevolent aliens or gods.

  • Jeff Morrison

    Sorry Harry, never heard of either references you cite here and I’m not interested. There is no god period. Look what happened in Jerusalem today. Where was the god(s) in this attack? Nowhere because there isn’t one of any kind. Live in ignorance and delusion. I know stupid when I see it and religion is mass stupidity and a great part of the what ails the human race.

  • Harry Binn

    Jeff. Go and watch God’s not dead. Science does not have all the answers. Anthropology, which evolution seems to be most reliant on, has a huge history of scams and wild eyed imagination that seems to define it. The scientist Arthur C. Custance has some papers where he has interesting look at the issues with Anthropology. It’s the only “science” that starts with a premise and then ignores anything that counters the premise.

  • Harry Binn

    Amie. I have read Al-Jazeera and a bunch of other newspapers from all of Malaysia and the Middle East. You know what I find? These countries are still killing people on the charge of witchcraft as well as defamation. Witchcraft for crying out loud. Nobody in the West even believes in witchcraft anymore. Superstition and ignorance are rampant in Islamic countries. Saudi Arabia has something like a 40% illiteracy rate. Did you know that over 300 million Christians are currently under heavy persecution? You want to guess which group are doing most of the persecution? Muslims, just in case you didn’t get it. And the only reason that the number is not higher than 300 million is that most Christians in those lands have either been killed or run out of the area just like most of Jews. Islam is the religion of the sword, it will eventually destroy everything. That is what their god and prophet seemed to want.

  • Amie

    You must be one of those who is paid to make comments like that. Any sane person will not fall for your unsupported claims about ISIS following Qur’an. Facts are that ISIS is West-funded group designed to assist with the war against Islam, NOT war against terror.

  • Amie

    Are you serious? Your media may not show you condemnation of murder of Syrians, but Muslim people have spoken out against it a lot. Just have to open you mind and google some other media outlets, like Al-Jazeera, to find out for yourself.

  • Amie

    You look at the Middle East and assume the Middle Eastern Muslims represent ALL Muslims in the world. The facts are that Arabs make up only 15% of Muslim world population. Also, you cannot blame the poor Arabs either. For decades they have been rather peaceful with the West in spite of occasional bombing incursions in Iraq and such, until West felt the need to attack, invade and subjugate Arabic peoples to “promote democracy” aka steal their oil. More than 75% of Muslims world wide, at least, are not actively engaging in violence with others in the name of Islam. And that should say something to you and people like you: that Islam and its texts are NOT to blame.

  • Amie

    And you are an expert in Islam now and can give us proofs of “purity” of ISIS’ “Islam?” Lol.

  • Amie

    So Muslims are damned if they do, damned if they don’t. A large crowed of Muslims in Berlin does not represent thousands of Muslims worldwide. Thousands of rockets in Israel (if unprovoked, I condemned them!) are NOTHING compared to the arsenal the terrorist-founded state of Israel has. I would love you living under occupation and oppression like Palestinians do for decades and then come back here and tell me if you would be firing any rockets, that actually hardly ever do significant damage. How would you like it if: a person, claiming God promised them your house, land, everything–to come to kick you out? To be treated like second class citizen 24/7 for decades? Educate yourself what it is like to live under Israeli occupation, then start talking.

  • Kay Mann

    we don’t like to call it that. The Bible, The Holy Bible, The Good Book, and The Word of God, are the acceptable and preferred terms. Have a blessed day :-)

  • Kay Mann

    The God of Judaism and Christianity is not the god of islam, which seems to revel in the blood of innocent men, women, and children. Let me be clear on this statement which could be on a T-shirt: “While it is true that most muslims are not terrorists, it is just as true that most terrorists are muslims.”

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  • Lee Havenaar

    Nothing in the religious world is pure…….

  • Lee Havenaar

    Teaminfidel…..good muslims?…..good muslims stand against ISIS…..all terrorists, Muslim, Christian, Jewish (yes they do exist) et al should be condemned.

  • Lee Havenaar

    The bible is the same…thumbs up ricksnazzle!

  • Lee Havenaar

    Al-qaeda was around long before G.W. invaded Irag

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  • Mss Hafsat Omale

    Hogwash… You lack knowledge of Islam. Islam stand the religion of peace forever. I implore you to seek for knowledge my brethren.

  • CAPTKeith

    The religion of peace

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  • Jeff Morrison

    Religion is still poison no matter what faith it is. There is no proof of a god and the scriptures of 1400 years ago are not relevant in 2014. Science has explained the human experience in ways that religion could only hope to touch on. If humanity survives I’m sure that religion will be look upon as and dark and ignorant ideology that worked against unifying the human race and kept us apart.

  • Alstrum Dabat

    If that was true then why are the overwhelming majority of Muslims opposed to ISIS? Why has there been dozens of Fatwas from leading clerics condemning ISIS? What gives you the right to dictate to Muslims what they believe despite you not being qualified to do so? Your comments are hate fueled drool, and shows that you do not know what you are talking about. To claim that the Muslim Brotherhood are like ISIS, or that Jizya is a “convert tax” is laughable. The Islam of ISIS is as Islamic as the Christianity of the Westboro Baptist Church, although no idiot would claim that the near to 2Billion Christians on this Earth support the Westboro Baptist Church or the genocidal Lords Resistance Army.

  • Sammy

    taqyya!!! Willful deceitfulness is a bitch to non-muslims from Muslims!! Their word means nothing!!!

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  • AndyS

    Dear Sir, have you ever think and try to find out the root cause of radicalization and being so violent. Why this young people turn into violence and don’t respect human life why they become TERRORIS. Because you always try to defend instead of condemn.

  • Dan Larrivee

    I’ve read the Qur’an and ISIS is pure Islam, some lies (taqyya) is going on here, they try to convince us to their evil lies.

  • ricksnazzle

    have you read the fucking bible?

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  • J Leland Kupferberg

    Sorry, but I’m not buying. I saw videos just a few months ago of large crowds of Muslims in the streets of Berlin, screaming, “Death to the Jews!” and “Juden Schwein!”

    Mass Muslim protests erupted all over the world because the Jewish State had the audacity to fight back against thousands of rocket salvos. And yet, how many more Muslims has ISIS killed in the same period, and all in the name of Islam?

    So, unless anyone knows of any mass Muslim street protests against ISIS, I’m just not buying the propaganda of the apologists. The fact is, the Muslim street could care less. They seem far more concerned about the Jewish people than about the very real and sinister threat of ISIS.

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  • InsideTrack

    It’s shameful to hear Muslims condemning ISIS on the grounds that
    “Muslims should unite” as opposed to addressing and rejecting those
    parts of the central Islamic texts which openly incite violence and
    intolerance, justifying in no uncertain terms the subjugation or murder
    of non-Muslims all across the world. Where are the denunciations of political Islam, extra-judicial Islam, or the inequality of social Islam?

    The central Islamic texts
    inspire both peaceful actions as well as violent. They inspire not one,
    nor the other, but both. Therein lies the problem. Unfortunately, the increasingly unacceptable
    nature of the intolerant attitudes they inspire increasingly cancels out
    the otherwise acceptable nature of the tolerant attitudes they also inspire. In the present as in the past, Islam’s violent minority is simply too sizable, and there’s nothing hateful or
    illogical about acknowledging that (as the writer below me wrongly suggests).

    A survey conducted in July
    2014 by ICM Research estimates that well over 3.5 million adult citizens
    in the UK are supporters of ISIS. Results in other European countries
    was even more alarming. Polls in recent years found that 1 in 4 young UK
    Muslims find Islamic suicide attacks “justified” in general. These and
    similar Islamist views are strictly incompatible with Western society.
    For the West to survive, those who hold them must no longer be welcome
    within it.

  • Yahya Altagir

    Muslims form one in five of the worlds population. At the current rate of people accepting Islam, this will soon mean one quarter of the worlds population will be Muslim, Logic indicates that if Muslims act as you suggest in your hate mail, you would probably be dead by now. ISIS and other similar groups probably form about 0.01% of the worlds population! So as long as you do not decide to travel in areas where they are busy killing mainly other Muslims, you have a much better chance of being run over by a drunk driver (not a Muslim if he follows the Quran!) The media and people like yourself in fact give support to these rogue groups by exaggerating their importance in stead of supporting the vast of the worlds peaceful Muslims. ISIS and Al Qaida would never have existed had President Bush never invaded Iraq, the war in Afghanistan has strengthened the Taliban and now Libya is another breeding ground for extremists. Thank you Israel and America but pleas do not try to help us any more!!!

  • Harry Binn

    The only reason that these Muslims are speaking out against ISIS is because of the brutal ways they have killed other Muslims of their own sect. On the other hand, they have not said boo to the 200,000 Syrians who’ve died and the 3,000,000 forced out of their homes.


    I should add that if the sick behavior of these quran following Muslims like ISIS is not going to be handled by ACTIONS coming from the muslim community (not cheap lip service as you read above), us people on the outside of this cult ideology will then blame the entire muslim community and then be FORCED to address all of the ills of their ISLAM.

    That is human nature…whether these people like it or not!


    Sorry…the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria we call ISIS is simply following all the directions and orders to punish, convert, tax (called jizya in arabic), fight and KILL as outlined in their quran!

    These muslim savages are also behaving EXACTLY like their self proclaimed terrorist and pedophole prophet of Islam…you know him as muhammad. This animal led around 65 to 70 terrorist attacks himself in the first years of the Islamic era.

    Once you read the quran and hadith, will you understand what drives “good” muslims like ISIS, Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaida to carry forth as they do!

    Got Islam? ISIS sure does!!

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