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Bush on Iraq War: “This confrontation is willed by God.”

I am speechless.

In 2003 while lobbying leaders to put together the Coalition of the Willing, President Bush spoke to France’s President Jacques Chirac. Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated.

In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:

“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”


Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:

“This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins”.

I look like a fool now to all those people I argued with who thought (wrongly, as I believed) that Bush was engaging in a Christian crusade war and that the whole thing was really for Israel’s benefit. I still believe Bush never equated Islam or muslims with the evil he refers to, however. In Bush’s mind the evil was Al Qaeda, not Islam.

There’s also not-inconsiderable irony in the thought that if Bush really was motivated by such biblical apocalyptic prophecy in deciding to go to war in Iraq, then he may well have been the instrument of that confrontation himself. Prophecies have a way of being self-fulfilling. In a bizarre twist, Magog was also Bush Sr.’s nickname at the secretive Skull and Bones society at Yale (to which GWB also belonged).

I suppose we have to wait for his memoirs. Let’s see if Bush disavows this statement above; it should be the number-one priority for any journalist interviewing the former president on any topic or for any other reason.

(via Crunchy Con)

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Thomas Nephew

posted May 26, 2009 at 3:14 pm

Wow. Not to pull a “Pelosi knew, so what” gambit, but I wish Chirac had mentioned this at the time. Probably against protocol or something. Like you, I didn’t and I suppose I don’t think Bush was truly Islamophobic, but “erase” in this context is pretty unforgiveable, too; it makes me think he just didn’t care how many died. “Erase” or “eliminate”, plus all the Apocalypse talk, equals a “who cares, gotta break some eggs, don’t keep count” attitude. I’d have questioned my own shaky support, and I think/hope withdrawn it.
I don’t care if Bush disavows it, if he does he’s a liar, he said this or something very like it, and he acted on it.

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posted May 28, 2009 at 3:08 pm

Why do rational people follow religion? If rational people follow religion then the problem usually lies within there own insecurities. I’ve seen a few very rational scientific thinking people believe in Jesus rising from the dead and all of that hocus pocus. What they all had in common was there deep need to feel special or to think they know better than everyone else. This is simply insecurity within those people. They act perfectly fine except for that one belief which comes from one or two things:
1. there parents teaching them to believe in it and they have a rosy picture of there parents that they can never be wrong or
2. sometimes it is caused by having had a hard time throughout there life and a need to feel like someone is helping them personally or that they will get a reward after death for living a certain way. An example of this is the terrorist believing in the 72 virgins waiting for them on the other side after bombing their enemy; another example is the person that dedicates their life or becomes a priest as to giving up everything they desire for a place close to god in heaven; then you have the person that was a murderer who becomes a Born Again or Baptist to redeem their soul because they feel guilty for what they have done.
It’s all a crock of shit and it’s all self serving. Religion is just like a cult it does nothing but help the followers of that religion or tries to control those followers. Religion was implemented and enforced in many ancient and present societies simply to control the behavior of the masses and to prevent chaos. It’s simply unnecessary though. If you look back during the days of Confucius people lived a certain way to benefit the whole of society by following Confucius’ philosophy not a religion with ridiculous beliefs. People can and eventually will learn to live in harmony because it is efficient and it enhances the lives of everyone not because Jesus, Buddha, Allah, Ra, Vishnu or Yahweh said so. When we say good bye to religion then humans will be worthy and ready for the next step in evolution which is robo-sapien. Working and living efficiently and harmoniously to figure out the Universe and our surroundings in order to colonize our species through out the Universe and meet and share information and philosophies with the other Universal inhabitants.
We’re a far way off though!!!

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