Christianity for the Rest of Us

Christianity for the Rest of Us


God in Wisconsin: Scott Walker’s Obedience

posted by Diana Butler Bass

As the stand off between workers and Governor Scott Walker continues
in Wisconsin, religious leaders have weighed in on the dispute.  Roman Catholic bishops came out on the
side of the unions, urging the governor to protect worker’s rights.  Many mainline pastors, including
Lutherans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Methodists, Congregationalists, and
American Baptists have written letters, issued statements, and preached sermons
supporting labor, unions, and collective bargaining.  In Madison, interfaith prayers and proclamations have upheld
and encouraged the teachers, police, firefighters, and other public employees
in their resistance to the governor’s plan to break their union.

This is an impressive religious group by any
standards–particularly so in Wisconsin where traditional faith still plays an
important role in the life of a large number of its citizens.  Wisconsin is almost evenly split
between the three largest American religious groups: 29% are Roman Catholics;
24% are evangelical Protestants; and 23% are mainline Protestants.

Yet none of these prayers or sermons has swayed Scott
Walker.  He has steadfastly stayed
on his original course, unfazed by the full weight of Roman Catholic authority
or the mainline social justice tradition pressing upon him and urging him
toward compromise and change.

Scott Walker is neither Roman Catholic nor a mainline
churchgoer.  The son of a Baptist
pastor, born in Colorado Springs, the heartland of the Religious Right, Walker
is a member of Meadowbrook Church in Wauwatosa, a non-denominational
evangelical church.  Meadowbrook’s statement
of faith, a fairly typical boilerplate of conservative evangelical theology,
includes beliefs in biblical inerrancy, sin, exclusive salvation through Christ,
and eternal damnation.

In other words, Scott Walker does not give a rip about
pronouncements by the Roman Catholic Church, any Lutheran, Episcopal, or
Methodist bishop, or the Protestant social justice pastors.  These religious authorities, steeped in
centuries of theology and Christian ethics mean absolutely nothing in Scott
Walker’s world.  His spiritual
universe is that of 20th century fundamentalism, in its softer
evangelical form, a vision that emphasizes “me and Jesus” and personal
salvation.

Before he was elected governor, Walker shared his testimony
with a group of Christian businessmen. 
In it, he said that his religious life was expressed in the words of an
old hymn, “Trust and Obey.”  From
childhood onward, Walker recounted how God specifically directed his life, how
he had learned to trust that direction, and how he sought to obey Christ in all
things and at all times.  He
related the biblical story of the apostle Peter in a boat, whom Jesus directed
to walk on the water.  At first,
Peter followed Jesus and did, indeed, walk upon water.  But Peter became fearful and sank.  According to Walker, this is a parable
of the whole Christian life.  If
you “fail to trust and obey,” Walker said, “You sink.”  Doubt is not allowed.  Only obedience.  

This is the same sort of evangelical spirituality that
shaped George W. Bush–and led to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.  Once you
know God’s direction, no change is allowed.  Doubt opens the door to failure.  Obeying Christ’s plan is the only option.  In this theological universe,
hard-headedness is a virtue, compromise is the work of the Devil, and anything
that works to accomplish God’s plan is considered ethically justifiable. 

In other words, the Catholic bishops and mainline pastors–as
well as the Quakers, Jews, Buddhists, and others–who have been trying to convince
the governor to shift course are pretty well preaching in the wind.  Other than David Koch (fake or
otherwise), Walker is listening to One Person and One Person only: Jesus speaking
directly to him.  God, evidently,
has directed him on his current path. 
Scott’s just trusting and obeying. 
He bears no responsibility other than that.

Unlike the Roman Catholics and traditional Protestants who
have spoken on behalf of the laborers, Walker has no spiritual “check” on him,
no authority other than the ones he hears in his own head, and no moral
culpability in this situation. 
He’s the good Christian soldier, just following God’s lead. 

And this is why Scott Walker’s religion is actually
dangerous in the public square. 
Because it lacks the ability to compromise, it is profoundly
anti-democratic. Many faith traditions actually possess deep spiritual
resources that allow them to participate in pluralistic, democratic, and
creative political change.  But
those sort of traditions tend emphasize the love of God and neighbor over
strict obedience to an unyielding Father God.  Unlike the confident dictum of the old hymn, “Trust and
Obey” is not the best way to govern a state.



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Cathy Garrett

posted February 25, 2011 at 1:44 pm


I guess they left out this verse in his church’s hymnal:
Not a burden we bear,
not a sorrow we share,
but our toil he doth richly repay;
not a grief or a loss,
not a frown or a cross,
but is blest if we trust and obey.



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Helen Hansen

posted February 25, 2011 at 1:45 pm


I appreciate this commentary, but who is this Jesus that Governor Walker is listening to and obeying? My faith community and I know a different Jesus, one who fights injustice and continues to show us that our greatest witness is to serve others.



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Don

posted February 25, 2011 at 2:28 pm


I’m with Helen. I don’t recognize a Jesus who would trample on a large number of workers for the sake of enriching a few.



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Alan Ward

posted February 25, 2011 at 3:09 pm


Striking a balance between “gospel on the left” (Social activism) and “gospel on the right” (sin management — me and my personal savior) is hard.
But the “real” Gospel seems to lie in the middle. Both public activism and personal holiness matter. It seems like that becomes clear when you read the Scriptures.
And if we’re not allowed to doubt, and waiver from time to time then I am in serious trouble.
Possibly my favorite line in all of scripture is “Lord I believe… help me with my unbelief!”



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June

posted February 25, 2011 at 3:54 pm


boy isn’t that the truth – I like the idea of discerning the spirit -
and the Holy Spirit isn’t only in one church and isn’t only in the church or the temples – the Holy Spirit is also in people who don’t even realize it and it seems that a majority of people believe the Spirit wants collective bargaining and unions to exist.
Just my humble opinion – -
no one likes discernmnet, especially when the discernment doesn’t seem to be in agreement with their own personal will.



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Diana Butler Bass

posted February 25, 2011 at 3:58 pm


Cathy–
Do I ever love that verse of “Trust and Obey”! Thank you!



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Carol Ahrens

posted February 25, 2011 at 4:28 pm


If, as he says, Walker seeks to follow Christ, he’s doing a pretty poor job of it. Christ is on the side of the marginalized, the sick, the poor, the burdened. It is made very clear in Matt. 25. So, how does Walker reconcile his actions against the actions of the God he says he follows?



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Heather

posted February 25, 2011 at 4:36 pm


As an Australian I have not heard about this issue until now. My sympathies to the public servants struggling for their rights.It seems that such unwavering, unquestioning, no-compromise, God-is-on-my-side-no-matter-what decision-making and governance is popping up in many places. How is this any different to Islamist (not Islamic) fundamentalism? I don’t wish to offend, but from my perspective this is the theology style that also breeds terrorism, whatever the particular religious brand in use.



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kenneth

posted February 25, 2011 at 5:01 pm


“Christians” such as Walker worship no god but power. “God” in their context is nothing more than a sock puppet who justifies all of their own self-interested actions. “I follow God, God is virtuous, therefore anything I do is by definition virtuous and God’s will.”
The only “god” Walker follows is his corporate owners like the Koch brothers.



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Steve Ahlquist

posted February 25, 2011 at 5:10 pm


As long as Christians feel free to reject reality and settle on the Jesus and Christianity that best justifies their views, then people like Scott Walker will be able to do as he pleases with no sense of compassion, fairness or decency.
The only sensible path is a rejection of all religious myth, to embrace a reality where we help each other endure the difficulties of life on this planet.



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Casey Taylor

posted February 25, 2011 at 9:02 pm


Sounds like a pretty lop-sided evaluation of a man’s faith – and it’s relationship to his politics. God forbid anyone evaluate our entire religious belief system on our behavior in one arena.



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romanscapegoat

posted February 26, 2011 at 3:39 am


the republicans in office offer no protection from the wealthy 2% that control the white house…Obama was stopped from protecting the 98% of not rich Americans from the banks and corporations that control the white house….UNIONS ARE THE ONLY PROTECTION THE NOT RICH AMERICANS HAVE FROM THE WEALTY THAT CONTROL AMERICA…the banks and corporations are deliberately keeping the economy down…the oil companies are deliberately raising gas prices…the media is deliberately always reporting negatively against Obama and the democrats…the wealthy and powerful are on an agenda to make sure America never elects another president with obama’s ideals, which is protect the 98% not rich from the 2% wealthy that control the white house…republicans always use Jesus for votes since most not rich republican voters are ignorant to what is really going on in America…



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Ibelieve

posted February 26, 2011 at 8:12 am


I am an educator in WI. I just want say that I believe in a God who is merciful, just and performs miracles! God has worked in great ways in my life, but I always give the credit to God; I don’t say “That’s what I am supposed to do!” This issue in WI is all for Scott Walker, and his power trip and for the people he wants to impress.
Here is what I see happening:
“But, take heed of the false prophets, who come unto you in sheep’s clothing, and inwardly are ravening wolves. “(Matthew 7:15).
Please pass the word and pray for all involved with this; Senators, families, public servants who give all they have. I want to end by telling you about a miracle that happened in my life last week. Walker was so confident that he would pass this Bill. So, I prayed to God, I cried, screamed, completely broke down over this issue. I said to God “You are the only one who can stop this Bill from passing! We need Your help!” He heard me through my tears. Over lunch that day, I saw the news and our 14 Democratic Senators had left the State of WI, to avoid the vote! Who gave them the wisdom to do this???? God!
Walker has a misguided idea of what being Obedient to God is all about. All glory to God, not to people.



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Carol

posted February 26, 2011 at 11:53 am


Well Diana, I am an admirer of your writing but I do agree that this piece is a little narrow. Can we really get inside the heart and mind of anyone else to know them fully?
I am a liberal Episcopalian and even I wonder about the power wielded by unions.
Observations over the past decade; the unions in the auto industry contributed to a huge disaster. The unions in the postal service protect some and leave others to the wind. The aircraft industry unions are devastating to communities like Wichita KS when they strike. Many in the community struggle to get by on smaller salaries & less benefits while union folks there fight for more and more and are rarely willing to give up much.
There is much in this country that needs reform and God knows our education system is one of those systems in terrible need. If I am going to defend any system I want to know what benefits they contribute to society..how have unions helped improve our education system?
I was a school teacher and a good one at that! My own daughter puts being a teacher at the lowest end of her career choices: new teachers loose their jobs first, salaries are awful and the education system is a disaster..how have Unions helped improve these issues?? Just a thought or two….



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Linda

posted February 26, 2011 at 12:24 pm


Gov. Walker is only honoring his campaign promises to the people that elected him, there is nothing wrong with that.



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Linda

posted February 26, 2011 at 12:33 pm


I do not recall the Lord Jesus Christ ever ranting about the Roman government that was severely oppressing the Jewish people of His day. Jesus only critisized religious leaders not government officials. So why are you ranting about Gov. Walker?



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Linda

posted February 26, 2011 at 12:41 pm


The Lord Jesus Christ said:
“If you love Me, you will obey what I command.” John 14:15
So people that obey what God commands actually demonstrate that they do love God.



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Linda

posted February 26, 2011 at 12:46 pm


What about the taxpayer, do they have rights too? Like the right to get a good value for their hard earned dollars? Unions make it hard for the taxpayer to get a good value for their money.



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romanscapegoat

posted February 26, 2011 at 1:00 pm


to the ignorant not rich republican voters who vote against their own benefit….the banks and corporations control the white house…Obama tried to regulate the banks and corporations to protect the 98% of not rich Americans from greed…NOW UNIONS ARE THE ONLY PROTECTION THE 98% OF NOT RICH AMERICANS HAVE AGAINST GREED…THE BANKS AND COPRATIONS ARE DELIBERTLY KEEPING ECONEMY DOWN…EVERYONE IN THE WHITEHOUSE KNOWS THIS…the banks and corporations want all Unions to be stopped….how much more wealthy do the banks and corporations have to be, while sucking out the quality of life in America…the media is controlled by the wealthy, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LIBERAL MEDIA…THE MEDIA MAKES BILLIONS A YEAR AND NEED REPUBLICAN LAWS TO PROTECT THIER PROFIT….GOD BLESS AMERICA??? AMERICA IS ANOTHER WORLD FOR GREED…PATRIOTISM MEANS TO NEVER QUESTION THE GOVERNMENT, UNLESS SOMEONE LIKE OBAMA IS TRYING TO TAKE POWER AWAY FROM THE WEALTHY BANKS AND COPORATIONS WHO CONTROL THE WHITE HOUSE…AND GIVE THE POWER TO THE PEOPLE…AMERICANS DESRVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE…THE BANKS AND COPRATIONS AND MEDIA ARE DELIBERTLY KEEPING THE ECONEMY DOWN…THE WEALTHY ARE MAKING SURE POWER IS NEVER TAKING AWAY FROM THEM…WAKE UP AMERICA!!!



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TheMoneysNot REAL

posted February 26, 2011 at 6:36 pm


Hey, I’ve always been registered D, but voted independently.
This article avoids the crucial situation: There’s not MONEY in there.
The comment made on TV by the Illinois representative, facing the same crunch now in that State,
was very enlightening and I hope everybody here reading will think long about it.
He said words to the effect that these Unions are representing a luxury-level of BENEFITS,
Hourly Wages, PAID Holidays, Sick Days, Pension, and more, which is well above anything which
could be called “WORKING CLASS” any more…
Do you not Get IT?
Teachers do not physically work themselves to death, like real industrial UNIONS.
Teachers are allowed to play all the “politically Correct” games which WISCONSIN, so-called “Liberal”
bastion and leader, allowed to take over our school curricula.
Wisconsin Teachers are Ignorant of their real market value, of the value of their courses, and ignorant
of just how POORLY they are accomplishing their jobs.
Now, to the issue of Walker.
Any of you Women out there really, really think you should make any comments about managing
MONEY, BUDGETS, LOANS, TAXES?
Fiscal accountability sounds like just another bullship word to a woman who has been raised to think
that money grows on trees, that anybody who attempts to give a lesson about adult responsibility is
a Bad Guy.
IT IS THE END of American endless DEBT, You are SPOILED ROTTEN and think you are a fully educated
Amazon, powerful, enlightened Woman, but sadly, you are Not really Aware of this REALITY.



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Ron Mulvaney

posted February 27, 2011 at 5:47 am


This is an extremely insightful essay on Governor Walker’s religious background, and it explains why he’s so self-rigtheous. I thank you for it. Gov. Walker doesn’t get it that bishops trace their origin all the way back to the apostles and they were selected specifically to guide us. Jesus started it all by appointing the twelve and they were to appoint others as THEIR successors. Jesus’ message wasn’t to die with those early appointment, it was to continue to the present day. When a bishop speaks he doesn’t speak just to his immediate flock but the community he finds himself in. That’s the way Jesus wanted it. Therefore, the bishop’s words deserve respect, as if Jesus is instructing us himself. Now one bishop’s instructions are not infallible, unless of course he’s the bishop of Rome and he speaks ex cathedra for all the bishops — it doesn’t happen often. And certainly Archbishop Listecki when he speaks to his archdiocese, while he deserves respect, doesn’t speak ex cathedra. However, when he he speaks for ALL Wisconsin bishops, as he did in Governor Walker’s case, this is a much more serious incidence in which respect and attention should be paid. Lastly, in an unprecedented move, when ALL the U.S. bishops decided in solidarity to support their Wisconsin brother bishops, as the USCCB did, in defending the right of public employees to collective bargain, they SHOULD be obeyed. They aren’t right because they say so, but because the judgment IS right they say so.



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Cynthia

posted February 27, 2011 at 8:45 am


TheMoneyIsNotReal–your sexism speaks volumes! With such a prejudiced point of view how could anyone take you seriously. Have you not heard where Wisconsin’s deficite came from? Walker’s strategy is give the money to the corporations then plead broke and stick it to the workers.
Ron, the bishops have no authority in the thinking of Evangelicals. They believe their authority comes directly from God so that leaves them open to whatever they imagine the direction of God to be. “I prayed on it and God told me what to do,” means I am at the whim of my own desires, conscious or unconscious. It allows people to do evil things in the name of God. Look at Bush’s war in Iraq.



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TheMoneysNot REAL

posted February 27, 2011 at 1:18 pm


Hey, Mulvaney,
Catholicism is the False Church, and Jesus never authorized Peter in the way you-all CLAIM.
Very sorry for you. Learn of Jesus and his True Teaching, it’s not to be found in your
Disgusting False Papist church.
Social Justice is not accomplished by sustaining a special-benefits class of “workers” which
already have enviable working conditions and schedules. (Nobody in teaching needs to
rotate shifts, cover Graveyard shifts, breathe toxic fumes, wrench muscles, etc.
Get it straight, Mulvaney,
None of your claims about “the way Jesus wanted it” have any merit except within the
Mama’s-boy, Child-Rapist, False Doctrine, Whore of Babylon, so-called Church.
There really is not any significant FUTURE left to us here on Earth.
Please don’t continue to waste your Lifetime supporting the False, Evil Scarlet and Purple WHORE
described in the Revelation.



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romanscapegoat

posted February 27, 2011 at 3:45 pm


America will never be righteous…the world belongs to Lucifer…if you believe in god than you must believe Lucifer is real….the space aliens are really Lucifer and his fallen angels…when Lucifer and his fallen angels were kicked out of heaven they were change into a ugly horrible form…”the space aliens”…all these so called UFO sightings and abductions…people tortured, fetuses removed from women…all DONE BY Lucifer and fallen angels…”the space aliens” have also helped government with technology…governments use this technology, for greed…to hurt and kill…to do evil…”the space aliens” will make themselves know to everyone, when god allows it…god is in control of everything and could stop Lucifer and the fallen angels from existing at any time…god allows Lucifer to exist…”the space aliens” have an hierarchy and will claim their leader created man…”the space aliens” will claim their leader god…Lucifer will claim to be god….THE WORLD BELONGS TO LUCIFER…JESUS WARNED TO STAY OUT OF THE WORLD..



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Justiceman

posted February 27, 2011 at 9:43 pm


Well I agree with Gov. Walker, We don’t need a religion with the Roman Catholics, Methodist, Baptist or any other formal religion. What we need is a relationship with Jesus. I have read the comments from many of your readers and I wonder if they run their finances at home the way they believe Wisconsin or other States should run theirs. The Unions have priced themselves out of jobs and I am Pro union. Don’t lose sleep over the big Union bosses income.
Wake up we need fair wages good benifits and and the right to be treated fairly. Stop whinning and get to work. If you don’t have a job you can blame the Union.



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paul quinlan

posted February 27, 2011 at 9:51 pm


how can a so-called ‘religious’ person endorse the possible use of provoked violence and oppose the basic rights of people to live? can he really live with himself?



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romanscapegoat

posted February 27, 2011 at 11:26 pm


justiceman you are the typical ignorant christian…how wealthy does one have to be….why are corporations allowed to infest towns making mom and pop stores go out of business because they cant compete…if it is true there is no money in Wisconsin its because of all shady deals made with the banks and corporations…everyone else[the not wealthy] are just cattle bread to consume products and work for as little as possible amount of money….the cattle need unions…the ignorant cattle[such as yourself] are programmed by TV and all types of controlled information sources, the wealthy control all media and all forms of information sources… spreading propaganda that only benefit the wealthy….there is no freedom in America…your only free to be programmed controlled livestock, owned by the wealthy…the wealthy want Obama to stop trying to protect the livestock…and the wealthy want all unions to stop protecting the livestock…the wealthy need the ignorant such as yourself….



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Mary

posted February 28, 2011 at 12:54 pm


What a good way Diana Butler Bass expresses, the “fighting fundy” mindset that I grew up with, and have grown out of as I’ve gained more information.
The information, has come, not just from the world at large, but from searching the Scriptures, and seeing Jesus in the NT; also, traveling the world and seeing how our “4 Spiritual Laws” fall flat in cultures that are not “Law” based.
I am just as committed to Jesus Christ as always, just more bold in loving the World that God also loved.
I’m sorry that Mr. Walker comes across as so rigid, not thoughtful, in fact, stubborn.
I really understand his dilemma, and he’s stuck now.
I’d like someone to tell me how his behavior reflects Jesus? Because that’s really what Christians are left on earth to do.



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romanscapegoat

posted February 28, 2011 at 2:03 pm


no one follows what Jesus taught…Jesus is only used to rally for support to do something Jesus spoke against… Jesus taught to love everyone and god…love your enemy even as he kills you, turn the other cheek,give everything you own to the poor,to conquer death you only have to die…christian religion was made up by men…men who used Jesus to achieve power and wealth of the world…and still today Jesus is being used to rally up support to commit evil acts…Jesus said have nothing to do with world…what that means is have nothing to do with politics, and the false truth the world offers…the closer your relationship becomes with god the easier it is let go of the ways of the world…jesus is the son of god but was against religion…all religion was created by Lucifer…religion hurts people…keeps people separated from each other…god is everywhere and everything and doesn’t need religion to explain himself…everything you need to know about god is already in you when you were born…children see truth very clearly…then they grow up and fear begins to grow…



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Justiceman

posted February 28, 2011 at 2:32 pm


Romanscapegoat, you are an angry man or woman. You are the typical liberal, calling names to people that don’t think like you. If you really want to throw bible verses around like you are the scholar, maybe you should read what it says. It says that there will always be the poor amongst us. It also says if you don’t work you wont eat.I dont claim to be genius but to call be an ignorant christian is uncalled for. Show me anywhere in the bible that it speaks of unions. what it does say is treat you neighbor as yo would want to be treated. I would really like to know how much money you give to the poor, iwould like to know what your house looks like, and what kind of car you drive. You probably have a lot compared to many. Why don’t you give it away to a poor family. But I assume you are like most other liberals you would rather give somebody elses money to support the poor. How much money do you need. God Bless



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Russell Martin

posted February 28, 2011 at 5:55 pm


Diana Butler Bass is working really hard to be a positive, enlightened, loving Christian. I’m sure that she is horrified to some degree by the people like Governor Scott Walker who take her beloved Christianity and make it into something ugly. People who read the Bible and find reasons to be inflexible, intolerant, and divisive. The real problem however is that Christianity, based on even a loose interpretation of the Bible is not only contradictory, but antihuman and just as ugly as the Gov. Walkers of the world interpret it to be. The only way that people like the author of this piece are able to come up with their positive, enlightening version of Christianity is to ignore the ugly parts of it.
In the case of Christianity, it’s time to throw the baby out with the bath water. I was trying to deprogram my Mormon mother (which is a complete waste of time, maybe someday I’ll learn) and in the conversation, it occurred to me that it is impossible to define Christianity. The reason it is impossible, is that the instruction manual for it- i.e. the Bible, is completely contradictory on so many subjects. For a simple, but concise treatment on this, see this video that focuses solely on what Jesus is supposed to have said is necessary to get into heaven:
http://godisimaginary.com/video1.htm
If you take the time to watch that short video, you will notice that not only is Jesus supposed to have told all of us to love our neighbors as ourselves, but he has essentially said that we have to hate everyone in order to be his followers- you cannot follow both of these edicts. Jesus also supposedly said to honor your father and mother and to hate your father and mother- an absurd logical impossibility. If only the Biblical contradictions were limited to those two.
For a more comprehensive treatment of Biblical contradictions see:
http://www.project-reason.org/gallery3/image/105/
If the Bible was an algebra text book, it would in one chapter tell you that if a = b, then b = a and then in the next, it would tell you that when a = b, then b != a. No one would work with it or teach from it because it would be useless. But, Christians, because they require themselves to believe in Jesus and the Bible have to continually pick between the contradictions and somehow try to make sense of it. This is why there are tens of thousands of different Christian denominations. Christianity is impossible to define.
I’ll bet someone out there is saying, well, it can be defined thusly:
a) Jesus is the son of god
b) Jesus paid the price for our sins
c) Accept Jesus and be saved
Wrong. My Mormon mother and her born again Christian brother don’t even accept the same definition of what/who Jesus is. To her brother, Jesus is part of the Trinity. To my Mormon mother, God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are 3 separate and distinct individuals. They both accept the Bible as the word of god and they both can cite scriptures that they believe prove/coincide with their point of view on the subject. Christianity cannot be defined.
So, saying what Jesus would and would not do is like arguing whether or not Mighty Mouse is more effective at fighting crime if he is wearing blue underpants or red underpants- it’s pointless, because Mighty Mouse, much like Jesus, is a fictional character and any “track record” about him is completely made up. However, in the case of Mighty Mouse, his made up list of ideals and exploits is actually more consistent than Jesus’.
But, I digress. My main point still stands. Christianity is not the bastion of positive enlightenment that people like Ms. Bass would like to have us believe it is. Christianity is every bit as much the ugly source of negative ignorance and intolerance that people like Gov. Walker demonstrate to us on a nearly daily basis. It’s time we stop pretending that Christianity is what Ms. Bass says it is and start dealing with the reality that it is exactly what Gov. Walker shows it is- and it’s time to just chuck it altogether and find a truly enlightening way of looking at and dealing with our world.



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romanscapegoat

posted February 28, 2011 at 5:55 pm


brainwashed justiceman…if you make a pie chart of were all the tax payers money is being spent by the government, welfare is a very small piece that doesn’t effect the deficit at all…welfare, gays, abortion, terrorist is all useless drama the republicans use to fool the ignorant not rich republican voters to vote against their own benefit…the republicans in office actually have the ignorant, not rich{such as yourself}fooled into defending the wealthy…what if a corporation like McDonald’s made 2 billion a year and regulations were passed by the government that made McDonald’s not able to pay its employees minimum wage anymore, maybe say no less than $14.00 …that McDonald’s had to provide mandatory benefits that gave its employees a much better quality of life…NOW instead of McDonald’s making 2 billion a year, McDonald’s made 1 and a half billion a year profit…how much money does the wealthy have to keep on making at the expense of the quality of life in America…the economy is deliberately being kept down by the banks and corporations and media….there is no such thing as liberal media…the media makes billions a year and need republican laws to protect their profit…the wealthy is deliberately keeping the economy down to ensure that Obama or any one like him, who believes in protecting the 98% of not rich from the banks and corporations, ever gets elected again…the republicans in office are happy there are the ignorant like you…SEARCH FOR TRUTH AND STOP USING A MAN MADE BOOK AS A MAP TO GOD…



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Justiceman

posted February 28, 2011 at 6:36 pm


Romanscapegoat, there you go again calling names, don’t be so angry. Stop take a breath. How many people are you hiring? I thought so! People like you continue to want the Government to manipulate hourly wages and regulations. I guess flipping hamburgers at McDonalds takes alot of education, we should pay them more than we should a smaller sized company that dosen’t make the yearly profit that McDonalds does, but that it takes more training and education. But your way of thinking is regulate it, make those bad rich people that has taken risk to make their profit pay. People accept jobs for what they are offered, if they don’t like it, don’t work. Keep Obama in office long enough and he will give us everthing for free. Well I guess itis free if your not paying taxes. He sure does have alot of money, maybe he will help pay the wages for the minimum wage employee. I would love to work for you if you were a succssful business person, but maybe thats why your not.



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nnmns

posted February 28, 2011 at 9:42 pm


Very cogent article.



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romanscapegoat

posted March 1, 2011 at 2:44 am


justiceman…when you lose your job and have no home no health insurance no food…who are you going to ask for help…the government…why do the ignorant not rich republican voters defend the wealthy… its because you do not know how to think on your own…all your life you have been programmed by patriotism…patriotism means to never question the republican government and always think of democrats as useless fools….Obama is the first president who tried to protect the not rich in America from the wealthy, without getting assassinated…Kennedy tried to protect the not rich Americans and was killed by the wealthy who control America…justice man deprogram yourself…turn off your TV…and especially stop watch fox news which is designed for the ignorant and programmed…i can say no more to a fool such as you…



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JUSTICEMAN

posted March 1, 2011 at 6:23 pm


ROMANSCAPEGOAT, THE MAN THAT SAYS THERE IS NO GOD IS A FOOL, YOU JUST KEEP ON BELIEVING THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS THE ANSWER AND YOU WILL ALWAYS BE AN ANGRY LIBERAL. READ THE CONSTITUTION AND SO ME WHERE IT SAYS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSE TO TAKE CARE OF YOU. I RESPECT YOU THOUGHTS AND I CERTAINLY DO NOT THINK YOU ARE A FOOL. BUT FROM YOUR WRITINGS I BELIEVE YOU ARE BETWEEN THE AGE OF 25 TO 40, A MALE, HAS NEVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY AND THINKS THAT THOSE THAT DO ARE IGNORANT. YOU PROBABLY HAVE NEVER DONATED TIME TO THE NEEDY OR MONEY. BUT THINKS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE SHOULD THROUGH TAXES. YOU LIKE MOST LIBERALS WANT EVERBOBY ELSE TO GIVE, TRY DOING SOMETHING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE BESIDES YOURSELF.



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Jose

posted March 1, 2011 at 9:44 pm


1979 Democratic president, Carter along with the democratically control House and Senate, stripped federal union workers of there collective bargining right.
2009, President Obama along with the Democratically controlled House and Senate did not even attempt to restore collective bargining rights of the federal workers.
2011 Prsident Obama critizes, Wisconsin Governor Walker for daring to remove collective bargining rights from state employee, in an attempt to balance the budget.
Obama obviously does not have a problem with denying federal union workers collective bargining right. It would have been easey for him to restore those right.
But, dare a governor try to remove those rights in times huge state debt.
Do as I say, not as I do.



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Mary

posted March 1, 2011 at 9:45 pm


Lets see whose God is stronger



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romanscapegoat

posted March 2, 2011 at 12:08 am


jose… yes that is what fox news is spreading to ignorant programmed fools ,such as yourself……thank you…now let me teach you how to think on your own…the democrats were formed to protect the not rich from the wealthy BUT the democrats have always been corrupt just as the republicans…both parties always allowing the banks and corporations control of the whitehouse….kennedy was the first president who tried to protect the not rich from the wealthy and was assassinated by the wealthy who control the whitehouse..carter…clinton both slaves to the banks and corporations…carter stopped the unions because the corporations wanted to be able to treat their American workers poorly in the name of greed..just like today with walker…when Obama first entered the whitehouse in 08, the democrats were controlled by the banks and corporations and wouldn’t allow Obama to pass any laws that would change the evil, greed and corruption in the whitehouse…at obama’s first state of the union speech, Obama told America and the world, the republicans and democrats and supreme court were all corrupt and controlled by the banks and corporations…Obama said he would put a stop to it…this is when the wealthy who control the whitehouse and all media in america realized Obama wasn’t going to let the wealthy control the white anymore, like all other presidents have in the past…the media then went on an agenda to program the ignorant not rich republican voters to vote the republicans back in charge of white house…only to give control of the whitehouse back to the banks and corporations…walker is a slave to the corporations and is trying to start a trend of ending all unions…the ignorant not rich republican voters are programmed to feel guilty and ashamed to not follow the republicans without question….



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Justiceman

posted March 2, 2011 at 4:22 pm


Jose, Romanscapegoat is always right, and if you don’t think so just ask him. If you don’t agree with the angry liberal who thinks the government is the answer to all that is wrong with America, you are ignorant. All those bad wealthy people that gives jobs to those not wealthy people ought to be ashamed of them selfs. I am one of those not so wealthy people and I appreciate those that are well off giving me a job and decent benefits. I have never worked for a poor person before. I sure wished that Romanscapegoat had a company that we could all work for. He would probably pay us all to stay home and cheer for Obama. Obama has really helped me out since he has been in office. He is for the not rich people. I am sure that when all you bleeding heart liberals do your taxes the IRS wouln’t mind if you would tell them to keep your returns and help the poor. I do help the poor I don’t have to be forced to by the government.
Now if you want to say stop sending our tax money overseas to repair mosques and help the poor in this country I am all for it.



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Justiceman

posted March 2, 2011 at 5:00 pm


I realize I misspelled a few words on my previous comment, please excuse me romanscapegoat, I promise I am not ignorant just a bad speller. Thanks



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romanscapegoat

posted March 2, 2011 at 6:50 pm


justiceman ….if you make a pie chart of all the tax payers money that is spent by the government…..welfare is so small of a piece of pie, that welfare has no effect of the deficit….republicans in office knows this, this is why welfare is never discussed in a negative way at the white house….fox news, rush Limbaugh and all other republican propaganda shows…continuously talk about the lazy welfare people who don’t want to work, and try to equate it with what Obama is about, and the ignorant{such as yourself} get programmed and believe it…….try to think on your own…what Obama is trying to do for this country has nothing to do with helping out the welfare people….why do the not rich republican voters defend the 2% wealthy and worry if instead of the wealthy making 6 billion year, they make 4 billion a year profit, because of regulation that give Americans a better quality of life…how much money do the wealthy have to make every year.,while sucking out the quality of life in America…the quality of life of 98% of not rich vs the 2% wealthy who control the white house….the government is supposed to be made up of elected official who do good for the people…what IS HAPPING IS THE GOVERNTMENT IS ONLY PASSING LAWS THAT BENIFIT THE WEALTHY 2% OF BANKS AND COPRATIONS THAT CONTROL THE WHITE HOUSE…AND THE IGNORANT SUCH AS YOUR SELF…ARE SO Brainwashed… WITH FREEDOM…APPLE PIE…GOD BLESS AMERICA??? GOD WILL PUNISH AMERICA FOR THE SELFINESS AND GREED THAT IS CALLED CAPATALISM…THE GOLDEN CAFE….LUCIFER OWNS THE WORLD…GOD COMMANDS LUCIFER TO HURT PEOPLE…JESUS WARNED TO STAY OUT OF THE WAYS OF THE WORLD…



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Mike Halpin

posted March 2, 2011 at 9:53 pm


I have been in non-union jobs with few benefits,low pay and union jobs, 27 years with the Teamsters which included 25 with UPS and 2 working in a warehouse down by the docks in NY Harbor with excellant pay and benefits. I also worked for 10 years as a Special Education and Social Studies teacher in the South Bronx, Spanish Harlem, and Manhattan with the United Federation of Teachers and the NYC Board of Education. I have pensions from the Teamsters and the UFT along with medical care provided by U.S. Government Medicare program. I gladly paid into private and public pension funds for my retirement pension and into state and federal tax programs for my medical and social security benefits. I also had collective bargaining during my 37 years working for private and public unions.
If I might make a suggestion to Governor Scott Walker and his followers. Let us unionize every worker in the State of Wisconsin. In a good Christian manner, all workers will march in the peace of God’s light with excellent salaries, benefits, and a decent retirement to look forward to. The pitting of one worker against another with the devil’s guidance will come to an end. These Christian and non-Christian workers will gladly pay higher taxes and pension fund payments for the just rewards that will come both during and after their service for the betterment of mankind,Praise the Lord.



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romanscapegoat

posted March 5, 2011 at 2:51 am


mike…you have a good idea, treat people fairly.. something Jesus would do…christian manner??? CHRISTIAN MANNER IS EXACTLEY HOW WALKER IS ACTING…BECACUSE BEING “CHRISTIAN” IS NOT WHAT JESUS TAUGHT…BEING CHRISTIAN IS ACUTALLY DOING THE OPPISITE OF WHAT JESUS TAUGHT…BEING CHRISTIAN IS BEING A PART OF A MAN MADE RELIGION, THAT DOES MORE HARM THEN GOOD…JESUS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING CHRISTIAN…MEN MADE A RELIGION AND CALLED IT CHRISTIANITY AND USED JESUS TO FORM IT…THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CHRISTIAN WHO FOLLOWS WHAT JESUS TAUGHT…ESPECIALLY THE WEALTHY WHO USE JESUS TO RALLY FOR SUPPORT TO COMMIT EVIL ACTS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER…



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Paolo

posted March 5, 2011 at 5:48 pm


It is hard to read a more sanctimonious piece of writing than the present one. On the one hand we have a thinly veiled scorn for traditional, orthodox Christian teaching, coupled with hypocrite pleading from the same entity.
I’m actually a practicing Catholic, and an Italian with a long, very long experience with these sort of unionized lobbies: governor Walker is absolutely right, in my informed opinion. I don’t know what to make of sentences like “Because it lacks the ability to compromise, it is profoundly anti-democratic”. Apparently, you can be democratic not when you enjoy the majority of the votes in a legal election, but if you compromise with the opposite party (of course, in case it be this woman’s party). Anyway, perhaps next time it could be easier to have a debate about a contested issue if the opposition does not hide in some out-of-state hotel, or if the screaming throng actually engages in real discussions instead of yelling its alleged rights to be overpaid and to regulate its own privileges in connivance with one party, on taxpayers’ shoulders.
A little info for not-Catholic: any good Catholic is perfectly free to share gov. Walker vision on this matter, even if each and every priest or Bishop had a contrary view – which is not the case.
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romanscapegoat

posted March 5, 2011 at 6:33 pm


paolo. your are a perfect example of some one using religion, the way it was designed for, to rally for support to commit evil acts in the name of god…



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Steve Martin

posted March 5, 2011 at 8:06 pm


I think a great bumper sticker would be:
LIVE BETTER…(at everyone else’s expense)…WORK UNION.



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romanscapegoat

posted March 6, 2011 at 12:42 am


another good bumper sticker would be…there are only two types of republicans…rich or ignorant



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Mark Fin

posted March 6, 2011 at 11:21 am


Mike Walker is doing his public service for the majority that elected him! Know your system and have the votes if you want to socialize or imperialize US of A! Till then all the rules and laws apply. You people back $$$ and material wake up save your bankrupt country we all played a part in screwing it up Grow Up fix USA and leave my FATHER out of IT



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posted March 6, 2011 at 10:32 pm


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romanscapegoat

posted March 8, 2011 at 10:55 am


mark fin…walker is doing public service for the banks and corporations…walker uses god to rally support of the ignorant not rich republican voters to take away “PROTECTION FROM THE UNREGULATED WEALTHY”(UNIONS)…



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Jeff

posted March 8, 2011 at 12:48 pm


I’m Roman Catholic…and am abhorred that the Church is taking a side. Protecting worker’s rights???? That one worked during the Industrial Revolution, not in the 21st century. The simple fact is that these unions are buying votes of the politicians with TAX PAYER money. We citizens have a right…to not get fleeced by others. Denegrate Walker all you want, because that is so Christian…and let those without sin throw the first stone.



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22044

posted March 8, 2011 at 3:55 pm


As an evangelical, I suppose I could insert my name wherever the name “Scott Walker” appears in this piece, since my faith likely identifies with his a lot. If I did that, I would conclude that “wow, I don’t like that guy”, based on the ill-informed & ignorant punditry expressed here.



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romanscapegoat

posted March 9, 2011 at 12:03 pm


what is an evangelical…you people join tax free corporations who sell a product…god…your money is bottom line, with these people who Lucifer dwells in their hearts…any church who uses politics of the world as there sermon or anyone involved in the world…is now walking with Lucifer…god has giving the world to Lucifer, its none of your business why…Jesus has warned you about staying out of the world….but the whole point of Christianity is to be involved in politics and business transactions…while the sheep are controlled by Lucifer…CHRISTIANS DO NOT FOLLOW WHAT JESUS TAUGHT…to conquer death you only have to die…love your enemy as he kills you…turn the other cheek…god is everywhere and belong to everyone just talk to him…give everything you have away because god is with you and controls everything…he will take care of you…patriotism is first in your not rich republican hearts…that brainwash you to follow what ever the republicans in office say is best for you…according to the republicans in office, the wealthy must be able to get more wealthy at the expense of your quality of life…



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ReasoningHeathen

posted March 9, 2011 at 5:41 pm


The unions are quickly becoming relevant again as conservative and corporate attempts to destroy them become more and more obvious. Jesus was a radical who stood up for the poor and disenfranchised. The hard right invokes “God’s will” as they marginalize the same people for whom Jesus fought. This is not only offensive, it’s sad. Forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they do.



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bob

posted March 9, 2011 at 5:57 pm


You got it wrong…
“no authority other than the ones he hears in his own head.”
That’s wrong…
Scott Walker’s authority is the divinely inspired Word of God, not what he hears in his own head!
Walker’s governing from a position of solid ground.



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romanscapegoat

posted March 9, 2011 at 7:15 pm


bob i hope the ignorant backwards hillbilly christian tea baggers were smarter than you…



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Justiceman

posted March 11, 2011 at 8:01 pm


ROMANSCAPEGOAT, If Love dosen’t do it nothing else will. We love ya man. Be happy!!!



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marion

posted March 17, 2011 at 2:06 pm


It is not about God—it is not about destroying the unions,it is not about wiping out the middle class. Why can’t you people understand that THE MONEY AIN’T THERE. We taxpayers can only come up with so much and we have reached our limit, Remember—-THE MONEY AIN’T THERE!!!!



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Phill

posted March 30, 2011 at 3:46 pm


In all of the accusations, rhetoric, anger and arogance that has been thrown back and forth on this it amazes me how many just don’t seem to get it. Having a heart is a good thing, leading with it tends not to be.

As a resident of Milwaukee County, I’ve seen Scott Walker in action and know that he is a man of his word, a man of integrity. He is doing exactly what he promised to do if elected, exactly what his “oath” of office requires. He is watching out for the 5.6 million citizens of the state, and not allowing the indulgence of 30 thousand over rule that.

The system we are trying to leave behind looks like this. Big unions, who by the way could care less about the membership outside of the dues they pay, pour a ton of money into the campaigns of people they want elected. People that are then supposed to bargin with them in good faith for the benefit of the taxpayers. Not bargin for the benefit of the union bosses. Unfortunately, campaigns cost money and those folks have a hard time forgetting that it is the buddy relationship with the union boss sitting across the table that put so much cash in thier account. As a result, it is the taxpayer, the person paying the bill that is left without any representation at the bargining table.

We’ve seen the results of this in other environments. The railroads went under because they weren’t able to support the pensions they were paying out. GM, Crystler, and before that American Motors and a number of major airlines, all fell in whole or in part under the weight of the benefit packages they had to foot the bill for.

This isn’t about “workers rights”. Rights that aren’t “rights” to begin with. It’s more like pay for play and a lot of indulgence. No one that has a sense of power or position gives it up easily, we’ve lost touch with the servant part of public servant. None of us want to see so much as a penny less in our pay regardless of how reasonable or right it may be. Truth is though, I’d rather see a little less than see a bunch more people out of work. And we all have to recognize that the people that live here in WI just can’t afford to continue on the path we’ve been on.

Justice?
Is destroying the capitol building service ‘Justice’?
Is threatening rightfully elected people how we serve ‘Justice’?
Is bullying and intimidating how we get ‘Justice”?
Is valdalizing personal property how we get ‘Justice’?
Is refusing to honor the votes of the people and running to hide out so that thier ballots are in essence voided just?

Perhaps one of the many flexible and just pastors that jumped on that bandwagon has a defenition of justice thats different than the one in my dictionary.

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Perhaps something said a long time ago rings true: 1 Peter 2:

11-12Friends, this world is not your home, so don’t make yourselves cozy in it. Don’t indulge your ego at the expense of your soul. Live an exemplary life among the natives so that your actions will refute their prejudices. Then they’ll be won over to God’s side and be there to join in the celebration when he arrives.

13-17Make the Master proud of you by being good citizens. Respect the authorities, whatever their level; they are God’s emissaries for keeping order. It is God’s will that by doing good, you might cure the ignorance of the fools who think you’re a danger to society. Exercise your freedom by serving God, not by breaking the rules. Treat everyone you meet with dignity. Love your spiritual family. Revere God. Respect the government.

The Kind of Life He Lived
18-20You who are servants, be good servants to your masters—not just to good masters, but also to bad ones. What counts is that you put up with it for God’s sake when you’re treated badly for no good reason. There’s no particular virtue in accepting punishment that you well deserve. But if you’re treated badly for good behavior and continue in spite of it to be a good servant, that is what counts with God.
21-25This is the kind of life you’ve been invited into, the kind of life Christ lived. He suffered everything that came his way so you would know that it could be done, and also know how to do it, step-by-step.

He never did one thing wrong,
Not once said anything amiss.
They called him every name in the book and he said nothing back. He suffered in silence, content to let God set things right. He used his servant body to carry our sins to the Cross so we could be rid of sin, free to live the right way. His wounds became your healing. You were lost sheep with no idea who you were or where you were going. Now you’re named and kept for good by the Shepherd of your souls.
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Didn’t Jesus say something along the lines of, “and this is how they will know that you are my disciples, because you love one another.”



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romanscapegoat

posted April 8, 2011 at 12:10 pm


jesus said to search for truth…not live yourlife blindly following those who use god to gain wealth and power of the world…



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Jim K

posted April 25, 2011 at 9:52 am


Everything in this article is true and accurate, except one key element of Walkers belief that I did not see. Near the end,while it’s true he doesn’t take into account any of the mainline opinions or the working people and all, but follows a belief direct between him and God.

This is debatable. If Walker actually had a strong belief in God, he wouldn’t damn the common man with his legislation. You must take the Special Interest Groups donations into account for forming Walkers beliefs. I believe he is money motivated much much more than spiritually. He has become of puppet to the big business that paid his way in to the position he holds. Big business is running him and his agenda.



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Brad

posted May 1, 2011 at 12:32 pm


Cathy – your comments frighten me. Nothing Jesus taught spoke to the preservation of irrelevant institutions. Whether it be the Roman Catholic Church, The Episcopal Church, The Union Workers of Wisconsin, The Wisconsin Legislature, etc, they can choose to sustain themselves through their own mission, not His. Sometimes they do. His world and rules were much simpler. Love God, Love One Another. Sometimes telling someone “no” is the most loving thing you can do. Particularly if they’ve lost a sense of reality. The decalogue is evenly divided. The first five speak to our relationship with God, and the second five, our relationship with one another. None of them speak to the preservation of institutions of man. Governor Walker is in office because the majority of the people in Wisconsin said he should be. You should at least honor that many of them prayerfully considered their choices and voted accordingly. Profoundly anti-democratic? Seriously? Perhaps you’re profoundly insecure. Why else would you conjure up such about someone you’ve never even met, when there are tens of millions of people in between you and Governor Walker, that you could love.



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Ed R

posted June 13, 2011 at 10:31 am


And just why are these “religious leaders” so involved with the unions? Last I checked, there is NOTHING in the Bible about unions. There is quite a bit about lending and borrowing, but nothing about “collective bargening”. Why are they not out against planned parenthood enforc? Abortion is murder, which is SPECIFICALLY spoken against in the Bible. Scott Walker is doing his job, Christian or not. I canot say the same for the “church leaders” who have given up thier true head and taken on the god of big Government.



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Ed R

posted June 13, 2011 at 11:39 am


I see a few misconceptions here:
1) Unions are for the “common man”: They were, up until about 10 years ago. When they started brining in “professional union leaders” and stopped using folks from the ranks, they stopped being for the average worker and all about power.
2) Money is the root of all evil: “For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erredfrom the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” 1 Tim 6:10, KJV You can be poor and have an inordinate love of money (gambling, lotteries, entitlement). You can be rich and not have a love for it (Abraham, David). The issue is a heart issue, not a wealth issue. It would seem that those who are in unions are greedy for gain when they could care less where the money comes from as long as they get paid and (at times) for a poor job.
3) The rich steal from the poor: While in some places this may be true, it is not totally true. A majority of our rich become so because they have a good or service which they provide.



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Bembol Topac

posted June 29, 2011 at 1:02 pm


Where is now the rule of majority as against one person? If it does happen in many states in America, where is DEMOCRACY if indeed America is a democratic country? Is it not a majority rule always prevail? The power that be resides in the people who are the governed, not in one particular person. We have the priviledge to voice our grievances in every perspective we deem it in the right direction and we should be heard.



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Lucile

posted June 29, 2011 at 1:20 pm


For all I know, if only the rules of God, the heavenly father, are faithfully obeyed, we live a life full of blessings while on earth and live eternally in the presence of God when the soul departs from the mortal body. That’s my whole faith in God, believing without seeing.



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Tom Runfola

posted July 1, 2011 at 1:02 am


Wow, Diana, seems you have a poltically correct theology here, and that is the problem with your thesis. After reading through the comments, it seems that the morally correct thing to do according to your crowd is to pay high union wages and benefits to public workers in Wisconsin and other states while that state and others sink further and further into debt. Is that really what the citizens of Wisconsin want from their governor & their government? Is bankruptcy biblical? Because that’s where all of these states with fat union payrolls are headed. Is paying workers money that a state doesn’t have, while piling on debt on top of debt for our children, really what the Bible commands of Bible-believing Christians in public office? Or is the real issue that we are making a distinction between “Christians” and “Bible believing Christians?” From all you have said, Governor Walker seems to be a Bible-believing Christian, who follows God’s Word and the commands of his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. That makes him about as popular as Jesus was in his day. Maybe the Governor should be put on the Cross as well!

Let’s try out this theology: How about living within our means? How about a good day’s pay for a good day’s work? Example: Should a public school teacher really make almost twice as much as a teacher teaching the same class to the same students in private education? And who is to fund these gigantic pensions that public employees receive after working a mere few decades?

Your posters seem to be big on “majority rule” as long as the majority is unionized and follows the union line: More for me and the heck with you. Believe it or not, there are taxpayers who do not belong to unions and pay their taxes and are struggling just to keep their heads above water because they don’t live in the union bubble.

Throughout history no great leader has bowed to the pressures from special interest groups; only great politicians who will say anything or do anything to get a vote. That’s why we have abortion and same sex marriage by popular demand of the “majority.” Again, the majority would have us believe all that stuff in the Bible where God pronouces these things as abominable sin is for another time and a less progressive faith! Consider this: Could it possibly be that America with its declining moral values and hard-hearted attitude to the things of God has brought about these economic curses that we face? No society has lasted in history when it abused its young or fell into sexual perversion, yet we do and allow and bless these things in America every day by our laws and our re-engineered politcally correct faith, and we expect there to be no consequences while we live as we please.

God is talking to America, but ain’t nobody listening it seems — except perhaps Governor Walker!



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TP

posted July 12, 2011 at 1:12 pm


It is in WI best interest to address the economic welfare of it’s state and citizens. The unions like many government officials have failed to keep pace with the economic changes this country has experienced. I do not know what Gov. Walker’s relationship with God is but I do know that if you “trust in the lord with all of your heart, and don’t lean on your own understanding he will make your path straight”. Most of the people affected by this issue are biased, I agree that every man or woman have the right to pursue financial success, but I believe they should be worthy of it and earn it, not inherit it. Being in a union should not be a garantee that you will make a lot of money and have job security. It should be based on your performance and committment to excellence. The US (including WI) needs to wake up to a new dawn, it is called a world economy, and we have to be able to compete. I don’t see Union supporting small businesses, or product and management changes with large business. I see Unions protecting outdated employment practices while manufacturing continues to decline and unemployment rises. Protecting unions so a small handfull of people (often not the best caliber of workers) can benefit, at the expense of the majority, is just wrong. If you beleieve strongly in unions then you should pack it up and move to India and China, set up your union there and start fighting for child labor laws or health benefits. Afterall isn’t that how religious and union leaders back in the early 1900′s found common ground to pursue their interests.
I attended a trade show as an exhibitor but was told that I could not bring a screwdriver into the convention center but had to get someone from the union to do a 30 second job—union rules. Then we got a bill for $120 to get a union worker, who was convicted of multiple DUI’s, to leave his poker game to do this menial task.
If WI wants to keep their unions and these kinds of policies then they deserve the country’s highest unemployment rate and lowest standard of living.
Good leadership should not be a popularity contest! If it were then Jesus would have converted the Jews to becoming union members instead of Christians.



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Earl Wallace

posted November 22, 2011 at 1:36 pm


I like to live my life by the 10 Commandments.

Would one be willing to say that when the government spends more money than it has, and makes collective bargaining promises that my grandchildren have to pay, is it stealing from my grandchildren?

When the government makes collective bargaining agreements that it knows it does not have the money to pay for, would one say the government is guilty of lying?



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General Al

posted April 18, 2012 at 2:35 pm


Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are God’s. No where in the Bible do you hear about confiscation of peoples wealth as a virtue. Tax collectors were scorned because the charged way more [Which was acceptable to the corrupt Roman leaders!]than the assessed amount per family. In the Book of Acts, the believers willingly sold belongs and gave to the Church to help. Annias and Sapphira were struck dead for lying, not for the amount they gave. You cite mainline Protestant and Catholic churches. Well guess what? They have no authority over anyone. We obey God rather than man. Just look at the Ten Commandments!



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Anonymous

posted April 25, 2012 at 4:52 am


Trying to spin whole cloth out of nothing. Gov. Walker is about kicking the sasses of the PUBLIC SECTOR unions and the whole state is behind him.



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Scott Wendal

posted May 24, 2012 at 11:21 am


Dear Diana,
I read with great interest your views on Scott Walker and his faith. If you know your US history (which you apparently need to brush up on), you would never have given your conclusion that Scott Walker’s religion is “dangerous in the public square.” If Governor Walker’s religion (Christianity) is dangerous in the public square, then the same would apply to George Washington, Patrick Henry, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson (Surprised! Then read on). If you have an ounce of credible journalism in you, then read the actual quotes of the Founding Fathers. You can even visit the Library of Congress website and see how the Congress authorized the importation of Bibles (I provided the link to make it easy for you).
If you have an honest heart and mind (which I hope you do), then I look forward to reading your retraction. Who knows – maybe you will come to personal faith in the Lord Jesus Christ whom our Founding Fathers spoke so favorably towards. I will pray for your eyes to be opened as you read truth and reality from our country’s past. More so, I will pray that you will be challenged to pick up one of those Bibles that Congress purchased and read the Gospel of John. You will be forever glad you did.
From a Pastor & Patriot

George Washington, Father of our country
To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.123
The General hopes and trusts that every officer and man will endeavor to live and act as becomes a Christian soldier, defending the dearest rights and liberties of his country.124

Patrick Henry

Being a Christian… is a character which I prize far above all this world has or can boast.49
The Bible… is a book worth more than all the other books that were ever printed.50

Thomas Jefferson
Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.63 John Jay
I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.67
Jefferson urged local governments to make land available specifically for Christian purposes; [5]
In an 1803 federal Indian treaty, Jefferson willingly agreed to provide $300 to “assist the said Kaskaskia tribe in the erection of a church” and to provide “annually for seven years $100 towards the support of a Catholic priest.” He also signed three separate acts setting aside government lands for the sole use of religious groups and setting aside government lands so that Moravian missionaries might be assisted in “promoting Christianity.” [6]
When Washington D. C. became the national capital in 1800, Congress voted that the Capitol building would also serve as a church building. [7] President Jefferson chose to attend church each Sunday at the Capitol [8] and even provided the service with paid government musicians to assist in its worship. [9] Jefferson also began similar Christian services in his own Executive Branch, both at the Treasury Building and at the War Office. [10]
(Footnote 7) – Debates and Proceedings of the Congress of the United States (Washington: Gales and Seaton, 1853), Sixth Congress, p. 797, December 4, 1800.
Jefferson proposed that the Great Seal of the United States depict a story from the Bible and include the word “God” in its motto; [13]
While President, Jefferson closed his presidential documents with the phrase, “In the year of our Lord Christ; by the President; Thomas Jefferson.” [14]

Beneamim Rush – SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; SURGEON GENERAL OF THE CONTINENTAL ARMY; RATIFIER OF THE U. S. CONSTITUTION; “FATHER OF AMERICAN MEDICINE”; TREASURER OF THE U. S. MINT; “FATHER OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION”

T]he greatest discoveries in science have been made by Christian philosophers and . . . there is the most knowledge in those countries where there is the most Christianity.101

T]he only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government is the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means o
f the Bible.102

Daniel Webster – U. S. SENATOR; SECRETARY OF STATE; “DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION”

[T]he Christian religion – its general principles – must ever be regarded among us as the foundation of civil society.126
Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens.127

John Hancock – SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS; REVOLUTIONARY GENERAL; GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS
Sensible of the importance of Christian piety and virtue to the order and happiness of a state, I cannot but earnestly commend to you every measure for their support and encouragement.3

No nation has ever existed or been governed without religion. Nor can be. The Christian religion is the best religion that has been given to man and I, as Chief Magistrate of this nation, am bound to give it the sanction of my example. [16]

John Adams – 2nd president of the US ; signer of the declaration of Independence

Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopia – what a Paradise would this region be!5
I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.6

Daniel Webster

I am clearly of opinion that we should not strike out of the constitution all recognition of the Christian religion. I am desirous, in so solemn a transaction as the establishment of a constitution, that we should keep in it an expression of our respect and attachment to Christianity.

Library of Congress website
http://www.loc.gov – In search bar “congress instructed its committee of commerce to import Bibles”
The war with Britain cut off the supply of Bibles to the American colonies with the result that Congress instructed its Committee of Commerce to import 20,000 Bibles from “Scotland, Holland, or elsewhere.”

On January 21, 1781, Philadelphia printer Robert Aitken (1734–1802) petitioned Congress to officially sanction a publication of the Old and New Testament that he was preparing at his own expense. Congress passed a resolution endorsing Aitken’s Bible.
The Holy Bible, Containing the Old and New Testaments: Newly translated out of the Original Tongues…. Philadelphia: Robert Aitken, 1782. Rare Book and Special Collections Division, Library of Congress

Call number: BS185 1782 .P5



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Scott Wendal

posted May 24, 2012 at 11:22 am


From the Library of Congress Website – link below

The war with Britain cut off the supply of Bibles to the American colonies with the result that Congress instructed its Committee of Commerce to import 20,000 Bibles from “Scotland, Holland, or elsewhere.”

On January 21, 1781, Philadelphia printer Robert Aitken (1734–1802) petitioned Congress to officially sanction a publication of the Old and New Testament that he was preparing at his own expense. Congress passed a resolution endorsing Aitken’s Bible.
The Holy Bible, Containing the Old and New Testaments: Newly translated out of the Original Tongues…. Philadelphia: Robert Aitken, 1782. Rare Book and Special Collections Division, Library of Congress

Call number: BS185 1782 .P5

http://myloc.gov/exhibitions/bibles/otherbibles/exhibitobjects/thefirstenglishlanguagebiblepublishedinnorthamerica.aspx#__utma=37760702.704183654.1337870403.1337870403.1337870403.1&__utmb=37760702.5.9.1337870404576&__utmc=37760702&__utmx=-&__utmz=37760702.1337870403.1.1.utmcsr=yahoo|utmccn=%28organic%29|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=library%20of%20congress&__utmv=-&__utmk=196581358



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Donald James Parker

posted June 5, 2012 at 6:23 pm


Wow,
I didn’t know much about Scott Walker’s walk with the Lord. All I knew is that he has performed miracles with the economy in Wisconsin. And that he’s my new hero. But like another of my heroes, Davy Crockett, it seems that this heroic man is going to be the victim of the inroads of secular humanism into the church.



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Steve Weyerts

posted June 10, 2012 at 8:32 pm


Jesus did not take from the poor. The Bible says to pay men worthy of their hire or not to suppress the hireling.I also noticed your little 666 symbol for this web sight.od of the Republican party is money! there are two masters and you have chosen the wrong one!



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Bob Donaldson

posted July 13, 2012 at 11:10 am


Thank God there are still people in the US who stick to their guns. What is this “social justice” that Ms.Bass is waffling about? I cannot, for the life of me, find any mention of it in my Bible (NKJV). Is there a new version of the Bible – the gospel according to Diana Bass?



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charmingdate

posted April 17, 2013 at 10:23 pm


Nice to be here and learn a lot!



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