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Sure, He Rose, But Was He Misquoted?

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Thursday marks the Feast of the Ascension, the fortieth day after Easter, said to be the day the deceased Jesus stopped kicking the tires here on earth, and ascended straight up into heaven to sit at the right hand of God. I believe in the supernatural. I believe that Jesus was holy. But this morning, after reading several commentaries on Christ’s ascension, I’ve come to see that Jesus last remarks are late-in-coming misquotes.

While seated at a table with his disciples, Jesus is believed by many Bible literalists to have said: “Go forth to every part of the world, and proclaim the good news to the whole creation. Those who believe it and receive baptism will find salvation; those who do not believe will be condemned….”

This particular verse of Mark 16 has been pronounced by scholars as extremely unreliable, almost definitely added in the second century AD. Some religious commentators don’t even believe that the final verses of Mark 16 should be included in the Bible at all. Other Christian commentators are brave enough to state that baptism is in no way a requirement for eternal life. I’m confident other parts of the Bible lead some Christians into thinking they’re the only ones getting “saved,” but I suspect the verses they’re quoting have also been doctored.



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Silverraven

posted May 17, 2007 at 3:57 am


I believe this statement is very true. I believe in God, I believe in the Goddess also. After all the women were revered from earliest times because we could bring forth life. There is an interesting book called “When God was a woman” which is very interesting. It makes no different what you believe in as long as youy try to live those beliefs. There is nothing more dangerous than a religious zealot who belies he is doing God’s work but I suspect the GOD you believe in is powerful enough to do his own work.



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Barb

posted May 17, 2007 at 2:37 pm


The bible is open to various interpretations.People react and draw meaning from it in different ways. My believe is that if a person lives a good and humble life and did the best that they could they will be recieved into God’s arms at the end of their life regardless of religion.



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Annie,Bonnie,Marsha

posted May 17, 2007 at 3:29 pm


Yes, the Bible is open to interpretation but as a Christian it’s up to the individual to follow the interpretation that he or she feel is right for him or her. Not to follow one just because someone says it’s the right way. How does that person know what the right is? Just as long as you are living a life within the law & trying to do the right things who is to say your interpretation is the wrong way. We’ll find that out when we meet God in Heaven one day.



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ps

posted May 17, 2007 at 5:35 pm


My beliefs, my faith, my religion; all in the same for me. I Believe In God, The Father Almighty….End of my story……Perhaps it’s all one sided, but that’s the way it is; for me. Interpretations in any book as for instance: Jack and Jill– well whatever. It doesn’t make it any different except for the one beholding as are “all” things in life.But living a life is what God wanted all to do. Within His guidelines and within reason. For those of us who are human and make mistakes on occasion, now who is perfect, He is our Savior and a forgiving God. If we Believe in Him, He will be there for us always. And this is what I know I can count on even in my human imperfections……



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Pacific231

posted May 17, 2007 at 8:36 pm


CM, was this question addressed in the book “Misquoting Jesus”? I read a small portion of that book, but IIRC, the author ended up renouncing his previous fundamentalist literal intepretation of the Bible based on his research.



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K.Bitner

posted May 20, 2007 at 6:16 pm


Unfortunately, there was a lot of political manuevering (sp?) going on when the NT was being complied. In striving for total control, the Church most likely edited and censored in it’s own favor. As far as most of the teachings attributed to Jesus (and even a Wiccan like myself can appreciate the love there), one must listen to their heart for guidance. If it doesn’t sound right, it may not be.



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klondikekitty

posted May 23, 2007 at 9:23 pm


I believe that whoever accepts in his/her heart of hearts that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died on the cross to take away all of our sins, past, present and future, and strives every day for a more intimate relationship with God, seeking only for knowledge of His will for us and the strength to carry it out, is a born-again Christian who will have eternal life with God in heaven. Those who do not accept Christ as their personal, living Saviour will not go to heaven and will spend eternity in hell, cast away from God because of their sin and selfishness. Period!! In the book of John, Jesus tell His disciples, “I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father except through Me.” It DOES NOT MATTER how good you are, what good things you do, or how many people you have helped. If you do not accept Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour, you will not go to heaven, and all your good deeds will count for nothing!! Jesus is number one in my life, and I pray every day to know God’s will for me and what He wants me to do for that day. I live one day at a time, in the center of God’s will, and believe that God will work miracles in my life and in the lives of others because of my faith. Those who would discount the Bible as the word of God or say that parts of it are not true are WRONG!! End of story!!



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daria

posted May 24, 2007 at 8:36 pm


You said “I’m confident other parts of the Bible lead some Christians into thinking they’re the only ones getting “saved,” but I suspect the verses they’re quoting have also been doctored.” While I agree with you, I also believe others (eg; klondikekitty) take the bible literally, or more acurately, as reportage, which it is not. It may be inspired, transcendent, and inspirational, but not at all an unimpeachable historical record. As many know, there’s sufficient empirical evidence to disprove biblical literalism. Bart Ehrman’s “Misquoting Jesus” that Pacific231 mentioned is just one place to start. I’d also recommend the site maintained by Tim Seid at Earlham School of Religion, found @ http://www.earlham.edu/~seidti/iam/home.html. Here you can view images of how easily and often errors were introduced into the canon. (If anything, it’s a wonder the text is as intact as it is.)In the first century, Christians were known as the people who love. Today, Christians in the media are known for being rigid, intolerant, hypocritical and judgemental. I feel safe in saying this is not as designed or intended by the early Christian leaders. And I feel equally confident in saying that going to war, demonizing the enemy and obliterating social welfare is antithetical to being just like Jesus.



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