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Ted Haggard’s Shadow Reveals Itself?

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We don’t really know yet which charges against Ted Haggard are true or false, but it’s impossible to watch the unfolding of the evangelical pastor’s alleged gay sex scandal without thinking of Carl Jung’s writings on “shadow”–the least acknowledged or examined parts of the self–and Ken Wilber’s belief in the importance of shadow integration for personal growth. For both, the essential idea is what you repress and hate most, you are. And if you don’t “own” your shadow, and raise it into your conscious, waking life you’re going to get busted in one way or another!

A shadow can be a hidden power–like when a timid woman feels she can’t get angry, or when a kind-hearted man can’t be assertive. It can be anything you disown in yourself or find yourself hating in others. In fact, what you find yourself hating most in the outer world is always a tip-off; this is an area where your psyche could use, as they say, “a little work.” Jung himself said, “Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.” It almost seems like Shakespeare had anti-gay gay Christians in mind when he wrote: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

Based on the allegations we’re gathering about the clash between Ted Haggard’s day job and personal life, I’d say he may be getting caught with his shadow showing. Too bad Carl Jung’s not available for appointments today, but I’m sure that if any of the recent allegations are true, the reverend will quickly find the help he needs to bring all of his personalities to the dinner table.

Stay strong, Ted, and take heart! The aching need for shadow integration has been the theme of virtually all great works of literature from “Oedipus Rex,” to “Moby Dick,” to “The Great Gatsby,” and even “Peter Pan.”



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Kirsten

posted November 3, 2006 at 7:22 pm


I thought is this country we are innocent until proven guilty. This could be a false acusation because of political issues at the moment… Lets give him the benifit of the doubt…



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marvin

posted November 3, 2006 at 9:46 pm


I agree with Kirsten. It’s a complex issue with many agendas involved. You are also showing a cultural bias. Would it be fair to say that maybe Nelson Mandela should deal with his white supremesist longings because he was vocally angry and opposed to it?



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Pacific231

posted November 4, 2006 at 12:50 am


Haggard has already admitted to buying meth and “getting a massage” from the gay escort making the allegations. Already the “Vast Liberal Conspiracy Card” cannot be played with any credibility. Putting aside Marvin’s snide attempt at humor, the pathology it appears we are seeing in Haggard which CM describes is nothing new:We saw it in Mark Foley, the outspoken fighter against pedophiles who WAS one;Jimmy Swaggart, who was the loudest, harshest detractor of the disgraced Jim Bakker, only to be found out with prostitutes and pornography more than once;And perhaps the most infamous “shadow” villan of recent history was the infamous Roy Cohn, the pit-bull protege of the vile Joseph McCarthy. Cohn was, among many other things, was extremely anti-gay, and yet in reality was a closted, promiscuous gay man. No doubt there are other “shadow” villans out there…and they know who they are.



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Espiritus85

posted November 4, 2006 at 2:11 am


It’s definitely a noticeable trend.



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HASH(0xe704594)

posted November 4, 2006 at 2:27 am


Seems like another Christian hypocrite to me………….same old story



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Frank

posted November 4, 2006 at 3:30 am


Hey, Kristen! Wanna bet Pastor Ted got a happy ending for his $20?



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Frank

posted November 4, 2006 at 3:31 am


And here I was thinking Mark Foley was the Jungian poster boy.



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Pacific231

posted November 4, 2006 at 4:18 pm


I will say this to the religious right conservatives:You laughed at Clinton’s “I didn’t inhale” comment when asked if he ever tried pot. What’s your reaction to Haggard’s far more dubious: “I bought some meth, but I threw it away”?



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Jo Ferguson

posted November 4, 2006 at 6:08 pm


Ted is a servant of Christ, he will rebound and rise again like his risen Lord. This is all political and how sad to ruin a person’s life over politics. Jo Ferguson



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Pacific231

posted November 5, 2006 at 1:07 am


UPDATE… “Our investigation and Pastor Haggard’s public statements have proven without a doubt that he has committed sexually immoral conduct,” the New Life Church’s Overseer Board said in a statement….The church’s statement said the investigation would continue, to determine how extensive Haggard’s misconduct was.



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Non liberal inNYC

posted November 6, 2006 at 1:23 am


Is the question being pondered “Is he guilty?” Or “Is this a liberal conspiracy via the media?” We have seen examples of both, certainly. As Pacific 231 points out, evangelists certainly have their dark sides and there is no reason to assume this man does not. I ask the same question I did when Clinton was caught with his proverbial pants down “What is wrong with the man’s judgement?” If you are in a position of power, it would be wise to stay out of ANY situation that may be deemed inappropriate, as it reflects poorly on one’s judgement when caught otherwise. It is a sad thing for the people of his church. At least the Overseer board did the right thing by acting so quickly. Churches can and do fall apart very fast under these trying circumstance.



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Gloria

posted November 6, 2006 at 10:10 am


I’m glad that you bring up the relevance of “the shadow” in literary examples as a template for analyzing this most recent case of acting out of one’s repressed desires. Shakespeare’s tragedies…such as King Lear, Hamlet, and McBeth all illustrated the futility of trying to escape the “primordial wound” of modern man…What is most poignant is to see a supposed Christian leader shrink from his own cross in the light of public exposure.



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Del

posted November 6, 2006 at 2:41 pm


I do not at all agree with the shadow theory. I have always been repelled by the queers(term used when I was a kid)homosexuals, gays, lesbians in today’t society.. The Holy Bible and God condemns this lifestyle. I am a staunch Christian worker against this sin that people choose to do. They were not created this way. If they choose to change, God will bless them, if not, they and also those that condone or say that this is ok, will continue to be seperated from God. I was devoted to my life partner as my girlfriend, steady,fiancee, wife, mother, grandmother and now heavenly angel for 56 years. She died in April 2005 and I am looking for another lady for a longterm relationship.



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Pacific231

posted November 6, 2006 at 3:02 pm


I am a staunch Christian worker against this sin that people choose to do. They were not created this way. (bold emphasis added) Del, please post links to actual medical and human science websites that show that one’s sexual orientation is a matter of choice. Thanks, I and other readers will be looking forward to reading your actual evidence [again, ACTUAL MEDICAL AND HUMAN SCIENCE websites] that led you to make the above assertion.



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Pacific231

posted November 6, 2006 at 3:04 pm


In the meantime, here is one fact: gay teens are exponentially more likely to commit suicide than heterosexual teens. You’d think, based on Del’s comment, said gay teen would just say, “Wow, this choice just isn’t working, I am miserable, I think I’ll change back to heterosexuality.” If Del’s assertion were true that is.



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Cheryl

posted November 6, 2006 at 4:11 pm


the fact that people are sitting back and judging this man as he grapples with personal catatrophe is horrible. This man likely grew up in an atmosphere of the fundamentalist belief. There in having to deny his true self as a homosexual. In the denial of self he had to conduct his nature in the shadows. Thus allowing corruption to enter. Did he believe he couldn’t be a man of”God” and be his true self? Doesn’t “God” become corrupt then? I don’t be;ieve god wants this from us as humans.



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Pacific231

posted November 6, 2006 at 5:02 pm


Cheryl, good point, and we certainly see this pathology in even worse and more ruinous pandemic of child molestation by Catholic clergy. The suggestion posited here that homosexuality is ‘chosen’ the way you choose a car or choose your meal at a restaurant is as dangerous as it is absurd.



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mike simmons

posted November 6, 2006 at 7:37 pm


Wow! you nailed it Re:Ted. We are in a time when we must all come together in order to honor The Creator and our Mother Earth. Hate mongers must be exposed so that truth can prevail and we can come to know universality. Until we ALL realize that we are connected and accept each other unconditionally we will never come together. If we do not come thogether we will never know let alone experience the universality of life.And might I just say:JUNG ROCKS!



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curiouser and curiouser...

posted November 6, 2006 at 9:03 pm


Jo Ferguson, “This is all political and how sad to ruin a person’s life over politics.” Except it isn’t about politics (except in that the RRR makes people’s personal lives political) – it is about lieing and hypocrisy, about cheating and doing (sorry, “buying and ‘throwing away’) illegal drugs – and all the while ‘condemning’ such things. I’m afraid Mr. Haggard ruined his own life. To blame people’s reaction to his admitted deception on his downfall is a bit rich. Try again.



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curiouser and curiouser...

posted November 6, 2006 at 9:04 pm


Del, when you say “They were not created this way.”, you are guilty of bearing false witness against God’s gay and lesbian children. Do you think God made a mistake?



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brian

posted November 6, 2006 at 10:01 pm


i put a blanket on my head and run through the hall yelling “try and stop me, try and stop shadow man”. i usually then transition to doing the Running Man into the living room, followed up with the Perculator into the backyard.



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George B Vieto

posted November 6, 2006 at 10:29 pm


Do you think pastors of churches get in trouble because in an act of weakness they perform sin that they despise? Is it because trying to do God’s work they didn’t pray up?



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Garnet David

posted November 7, 2006 at 4:19 am


Good post, Amy. Did you major in literature?Also, thanks for the link to the zaadz gay spirituality blog. It’s the ‘shadow’ version of the one I know, Gay spirituality and Culture. Seems zaadz is a place to bloom.



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Del

posted November 7, 2006 at 8:13 pm


I do not base my position on scientific or wordly thesis. It is based on God’s word, the Holy Bible. I recommend that all of you doubters and worldly thinkers read it. It is very easy to understand on this topic.



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Michael Kelly

posted November 7, 2006 at 11:49 pm


IMHO Jung’s Shadow Theory is simple to understand, to wit: Walk your Talk and you will never any have any humiliating shadows to come forth to do battle with. As for repression don’t repress that which comes as natural good and common SENse to you no matter with what odds or oddity it pits you against the World at Large. Repression (hiding) such from the eyes of the World is a root of evil, which feeds and nourishes the Tree of Treachery–the cause of all human vanity, folly and wickedness. In deed, criminal behavior and crimes against others and nature itself has its genesis in repression of the natural and good desire for happiness, love, love of life and love of G-d. Bible-thumping preachers and priests with their moral dogma are the first cause of repression. If they knew more about the history of religion they would reject it and strive for pure and personal theology instead, which is liberating and empowering. More simply put it is Morale versus Moral. Paraphrasing Jesus, live by the Golden Rules (Morale Code) and you fulfill ALL of the requirements of the 10 Roping, Rigid, Ridiculous Rules and Regulations (Moral Code), which no one is able to keep and abide by. Jesus taught that if you break even one of the 10 you have broken them ALL. As for myself give me Morale any day. I’d rather go to that Awful Place if going to Heaven meant living under the Moral Code and being constantly reminded that I am a SINner. You see, under the Morale Code I Am Free and I am a SENner enroute to Heaven. The seven Key Words of a SENner are 1) Sensible (Possesses Good Sense or God Sense), 2) Sensitive (Caring, but Care-Free), 3) Sensorial (Possesses Good Feelings or God Feelings), 4) Sensuous (Mmmm, need I define?), 5) Sententious (Full of Good Advice or God Advice or just plain Full of It), 6) Sentimental (Cries at the drop of a ), and 7) Sentry (Guards with His or Her Life, Liberty). May God and Goddess Bless you all! Michael in Cincinnati



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Michael Kelly

posted November 8, 2006 at 12:03 am


Follow-up to my 11.07.06 – 6:54 pm post. …so I say, be a SENNER and not a SINNER! Be GOOD, let GOODNESS or GODness (as you, unrepressed, are an Image of God) the pattern of your life and not churchieness, religiousity and reliance upon false prophets and men of the cloth your intercessors between you and the LORD your GOD, so that when the Son-Sun God calls you Home to the Infinite mega-dimensional Magic Kingdom you will exchange GOODNESS for GODHOOD. Michael in Cincinnati



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Del

posted November 8, 2006 at 2:43 pm


Mike; You are clearly not Christian and do not comprehend it in anyway. May your mindset be changed so that you can accept God and be saved. All you have to do is wisen up and accept the diety. We in Wilmington, just up I71, will keep you in our prayers.



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Michael in Cincinnati

posted November 8, 2006 at 4:56 pm


Thank you Del and I will offer a prayer for you and yours to my Deities as well. In the meantime, if you would really like to get a sound education in the real history of religion and particularly orthodox Christianity versus the Real Gospel (Human empowering) Message of Yeshua try visiting http://www.joshuabooks.com/home.htmHonestly, how can you place your whole-hearted Faith in something that you confidently accept without rationale or reason (sound knowledge)? As for me, I love the real historical person Yeshua ben Yoseph (renamed Jesus Christ in the accepted and authorized bibles) (Michael-Yeshua, the Son-Sun God of this Universe), with all my heart and soul and place all my Faith in Him. But He is not the same person as that portrayed in the New Testament. The Jesus Christ of the New Testament is fictional and was fashioned and created by the imperial order of the Roman Emperor Constantine at the first Imperial Church Council of Nicea from which we also get the Nicene Creed or Apostolic Creed. Constantine’s purpose and ambition in this was consolidation of his imperial powers and not about spirituality of his love of G-d, since in the Roman imperial tradition he considered himself to be god. Other than that, my next best thoughts are that this is still the time era given to Lucifer to draw human beings down (going backwards toward that from which we came out of) towards annihilation and Death–although his time era is even now in its Last Days (the darkest hour) before the Son-Sunrise and the Dawning of a Messianic Millennium, Messianic Age and New World Order. When Jesus told Pontius Pilate that His Kingdom was not of this World, properly transcribed and then properly and faithfully translated His remark to Pilate today would read “My Kingdom is not of your Roman imperial World Order, but is a New World Order that will come someday in an hour and day that you least expect it.” Even now first generation, original extant manuscripts are preserved and hidden in the Top Secret Archives of the Vatican and will one day soon be revealed to an Old World that will become shocked and awed. In these manuscripts are revelations that will prove points that I have made above. As a reminder, you can get a preview of this Razing, Raising Revelation by visiting http://www.joshuabooks.comMay God and Goddess Bless you and yours, Michael in Cincinnati



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Pacific231

posted November 9, 2006 at 3:18 am


Del wrote: I do not base my position on scientific or wordly thesis. Yes, that we have soundly established. The facts debunk your assertion that one’s sexual orientation is a person’s free-will CHOICE. I suggest your and others’ Christian faith will not be harmed by acknowledging medical research and scientific realities about the world we live in. It is based on God’s word, the Holy Bible. Are you referring to Leviticus? At any rate, you are mistaken: nowhere in Scripture does it state that one’s sexual orientation is a person’s free-will CHOICE. Not there, Del. I recommend that all of you doubters and worldly thinkers read it. It is very easy to understand on this topic. This concluding stereotypically Christian ‘parting shot’ is awkwardly out of place. As a person who has indeed read the Bible and who in fact attends a church, I am aware that nowhere in Scripture does it state that one’s sexual orientation is a person’s free-will CHOICE (as in “the right, power, or opportunity to choose; option”).



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Tina

posted November 10, 2006 at 10:14 pm


Oh my goodness! I think homosexuality is wrong…I must secretly be gay…if there are none perfect maybe Jung’s theory doesn’t apply to all? Good grief…I’m just glad to see that the majority of voters still believe in banning gay marriages now, if we can just get them to stop killing the babies… sheeshs…



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curiouser and curiouser...

posted November 14, 2006 at 6:43 pm


Jo Ferguson, “This is all political and how sad to ruin a person’s life over politics.” Mr. Haggard made what happened political all by himself by supporting political causes harmful to gay citizens. That, and in his own hypocrisy. He “ruined” his own life.



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curiouser and curiouser...

posted November 14, 2006 at 6:45 pm


“Ted Haggard’s Shadow Reveals Itself?” Does that mean we’ll get 6 more weeks of winter?



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curiouser and curiouser...

posted November 14, 2006 at 6:48 pm


Del, “I have always been repelled by the queers(term used when I was a kid)” Apparently, you are still a kid – you still use the term. First you speak of real people: “homosexuals, gays, lesbians in today’t society.” Then you reduce us to “this lifestyle.” Perhaps if you attempted to actually see us as people, you wouldn’t fall to the temptation of demeaning God’s gay and lesbian children so. “I am a staunch Christian worker against this sin that people choose to do.” Good luck with that. “They were not created this way.” This is another bearing of false witness. “If they choose to change” Could YOU? “I was devoted to my life partner as my girlfriend, steady,fiancee, wife, mother, grandmother and now heavenly angel for 56 years.” Well bully for you. I’ve only been with my life partner, boyfriend, steady, fiance and now husband for only 22 years. Does that make you a betterosexual?



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curiouser and curiouser...

posted November 14, 2006 at 6:52 pm


Del, “I do not base my position on scientific or wordly thesis.” Clearly not. “It is based on God’s word, the Holy Bible. I recommend that all of you doubters and worldly thinkers read it.” You seem to think we haven’t. “It is very easy to understand on this topic.” Which would explain why many religious scholars and leaders disagree with you????



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curiouser and curiouser...

posted November 14, 2006 at 6:54 pm


Del, “All you have to do is wisen up and accept the diety.” America is NOT a theocracy. Yet. We will pray for the folks in Wilmington. Sure seem to need it up there.



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