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Reaching Beyond Religious Dogma

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I am grateful to CM reader Pacific231 for taking the time to write this:

“I am hardly the most appropriate person to stick up for Christianity. But the exceptional author and scholar Marcus Borg notes that when atheists set out to debunk ‘God,’ they are debunking the ‘supernatural theism’ view of God, the view that believes in a God ‘somewhere out there’ who occassionally intervenes in the world, however unpredictably. As another poster noted, ‘how can God let thousands of children starve to death daily?’…But Borg says there is a different way to view God, which is also biblically supported, that holds that God is not just ‘out there,’ detached from the world unless it suits his fancy to do otherwise, but rather a God that is within us and within everything.

“…I would urge atheists to read Borg’s works like ‘The God We Never Knew: Beyond Dogmatic Religion To A More Authenthic Contemporary Faith’ for example. I think they would find themselves relating strongly with Borg in chapter 1…just promise you keep reading! It’s easy IMHO to debunk the extremist Christian religion too many people are practicing today. It makes me angry also. Borg is at least a breath of fresh air and his thesis is worthy of debate whereas it is a waste of time to debate a wide-eyed Christian extremist.”



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posted October 10, 2006 at 9:21 pm


Its all the sceptic’s faults… the old philosophers of greece who argued every truth by saying there is an equal and oposite truth, and by saying that reality is relative… it was all to make money, to come up with something that anybody, no matter how intelligent someone was they could read once and beleve… but anyone with a mind to think about what they read and not just a vaccume looking for any piece of dust to fill all there spiritual holes with, can see right through all that. You realy need to make a choice to not beleve in creation, a wrong choice that takes more faith than beleving in god, but to beleve in the fundementalist idea of creation is worse than evolution… the ancients knew that the stories they told there kids were analogies, they knew the earth was a sphere, it was just then changed to be more profitable for the few to say that all of you are wrong! i am right, follow me, or else be put to death… it was easy to get rich back then, all you had to do was not beleve in anything and do what you were told… those who had minds to think questioned all orthodoxy and were quickly put death or enslaved or discredited and had there property siezed… to repair the damage the secret societies have done to the collective will take longer than we have left, but it takes no argument at all to prove athiests wrong… most are hypocrites and dont realize it because they are too busy making generalizations about everything thought oriented… the few educated ones who have thought about it all have made some very minute error in there thought process, or use one generalization as a common ground for all there arguments against religion or philosophy. The bottom line is that most real philosophers have questioned what they think and hence why they have decided to think a surtain way… everyone else just decides by questioning everyone else… the errors with the latter is that you end up finding a unique philosophy that suits nothing but an ego with an individual identity, the furthest thing from the truth… the former you have no choice but to question yourself to the brink of self destruction, positvely so, you destroy the ego, the self, the individual that is in the way of the true self, the true everything, thats why philosophers don’t decide things, they analyze things and question things until only the form of what is in question remains, and then they describe it with words, not analogies or with generalization. Athiests are all egotistical or they are too busy trying to find happyness in the world they never stop to think that true happyness involves something inside you not outside, so they assume everything else has the same problem, and hence can’t understand unorthodox views of spirituality, and an inner god.



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Pacific231

posted October 14, 2006 at 3:15 am


Thanks for the kind remarks, CM. BTW, I suggest a debate between Sam Harris and Marcus Borg would be fascinating IMHO.



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