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CNN’s Gary Tuchman asks “What the Pope Knew” (and when he knew it) regarding child sexual abuse within the Catholic Church

posted by John W. Kennedy

This Saturday night at 8:00 PM (ET) CNN will air a special one-hour
documentary about the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal. The program,
entitled What the Pope Knew will be reported by Gary Tuchman.

I spoke to him about what he found. Here is part one (of three) of an edited transcript of that interview.
 
JWK: How did this documentary come to be?

TUCHMAN: 
We have done a lot of stories about what had happened in the Catholic
Church but what was notable — and what gave us the idea for this hour
— were two things.

One. Pope Benedict has done more than any
other pope to combat it. He’s the only pope that ever met with victims
and made public apologies. That’s very notable.

But that
combined with fact that one of the victims in our hour is suing Pope
Benedict and the Vatican. That’s the first time that’s happened.

Those two things together we thought made this ripe for a comprehensive and fair hour looking at this very important topic.

JWK: What did you think you’d find and what did you actually find?

TUCHMAN: We
have found previously secret Church documents — that have been secret
for decades but were subpoenaed and we were able to get access to them
— and these previously secret documents unequivocally show that
Cardinal Ratzinger — today’s Pope Benedict — knew about sexual
molestations in the Church as early as the 1980’s when he was the head
of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. That bishops in the
United States, specifically bishops in Oakland, Milwaukie (and)
Springfield, Illinois were sending Cardinal Ratzinger desperate letters
— please remove this abusive priest from our diocese, please laicize
and defrock him.

In some cases these priests were already
convicted. They were already in jail. But they were still priests. But
the response, unfortunately, from Cardinal Ratzinger and the
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was often a situation where
Ratzinger opposed or slowed down the defrocking of these priests —
including these convicted child molesters.

What’s notable about
that is that Cardinal Ratzinger was very involved in silencing,
censoring or firing dozens of priests who differed with the Vatican
about doctrine but, when it came to this, the philosophy was to delay,
ask for more time, more evidence.

We were very fortunate and
delighted that one of the Pope’s top aides did an interview with us in
the Vatican, (Vatican Prosecutor) Monsignor Charles Scicluna. And what
was interesting is he tells us even back then the local bishops could
have made decisions on their own — and should have decisions on their
own to get these priests away from kids. And it was known that they
could do that — but if they knew that why were they sending desperate
letters to Cardinal Ratzinger asking for it and doing it repeatedly?

Even the bishops didn’t know that! So, that’s what’s disturbing.

The
argument is things were different back then. But, you know what?
Children are children and they were being molested and nothing was
being done about their molesters. The police weren’t told, the public
wasn’t being told and the bishops in the United States were getting no
adequate response from Cardinal Ratzinger.

JWK: So some bishops were actually trying to deal with it and were told by the Vatican to cool it?

TUCHMAN:
Right. We have the bishop in Oakland writing to Cardinal Ratzinger that
I have this priest who wants to be defrocked (and) is a convicted
molester. Please defrock him. And letters with Cardinal Ratzinger’s
signature came back — we need more information. We gotta remember the
good of the Universal Church.

Now, to some, that means he’s
concerned about the reputation of the Church. The Vatican today is
telling us that was just a stock phrase that was used, that more
investigation was needed. Either way, nothing was done.

We want
to be very clear. We are not criticizing the institution of the
Catholic Church in this documentary. That’s not what this is about.
We’re criticizing molesters and why molesters weren’t stopped earlier
— like they are today.

JWK: You don’t have to condemn the entire Church to say that the bureaucracy got in the way.

TUCHMAN:
I’ve done stories like this for many years and I constantly have had
good and great priests come up to me and say thank you. We can’t even
hug the children in our parish anymore because we’re afraid. And these
bad priests have done this to us. They’ve impugned this great religion
by their activity and actions. They made things bad for us.

We
dedicate this to the good priests and the hundreds of millions of
faithful Catholic lay people who deserve better than these pedophile
priests who, unfortunately, could have been stopped quicker.

TOMORROW: How the Vatican cooperated with the making of the documentary 



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kay ebeling

posted September 22, 2010 at 12:35 pm


For background, there are 10,969* priests found in the USA to have been pedophiles, and still counting. Current statistics put the average at about 10 percent of priests who predated sexually on children, much higher than the percent of pedophiles in the general population. Read City of Angels Blog http://cityofangels8.blogspot.com where we reported on these new statistics Sept. 14, 2010. So far mainstream media has rarely said anything that has not been reported already, the best coverage of this crime spree has been on blogs. Hopefully this weekend CNN will finally do some real investigation into these serial felonies.
* 10,969 according to Bishop Accountability dot org, who have been keeping a databank since 2002.
Don’t be afraid.



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petel2

posted September 22, 2010 at 1:32 pm


One interesting point is that documents were written to protect the church and deny victims, threats were OK.
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Many of the RCC’s documents, as the Cardinal Oath (It’s OK to deviate from the truth if the truth may harm the church)
Crimes of Solicitation (Document to orchestrate the cover ups using threats, Ratzinger claimed that most bishops did not receive – see below Ratzinger’s letter)
The 2001 letter from the current pope Ratzinger to ALL BISHOPS, when he was the cardinal responsible to handle the abuses, was labeled secret (This letter told bishops to adhere to the “Crimes Of Solicitations” document above – if bishops didn’t have that document, they would need to get it in order to comply. Now shows Ratzinger lied about only a few received the above document. It also demanded bishops “extinguish” cases of abuse until the victim reaches adulthood plus 10 years. Why? This ensured that Statutes of Limitations protected the RCC, the pedophiles and denied the victims civil rights.)
“Mental Reservation”, this allows the clergy to find a small truth while telling a bigger lie so that telling the lie won’t seem so bad.



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petel2

posted September 22, 2010 at 1:36 pm


Proving cases of pedophilia when outside the family are the easier crimes to prove. Why? Because these criminal’s average 80 victims – and that is lots of witnesses.



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Goodguyex

posted September 22, 2010 at 5:32 pm


“For background, there are 10,969* priests found in the USA to have been pedophiles, and still counting.”
That is complete BS unless a pedophile is defined as someone who like children.



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Goodguyex

posted September 22, 2010 at 5:40 pm


Peter 2 writes “Proving cases of pedophilia when outside the family are the easier crimes to prove. Why? Because these criminal’s average 80 victims – and that is lots of witnesses.”
That is pretty much true in the case of real pedophilia. However, most of what we are talking about regarding priests and other offenders of under age youth is not pedophilia.
There have been about 180-200 true pedophiles in the U.S. Catholic priethood from 1950-2002 and these 180 account for about 3500 victims. This is about 200 out of about 100,000 priests. There are other serious offenders but the pedophiles are actually very small.
The biggest group of priest offenders by far is homosexual offenders with willing homosexual teen boys.
About 1000 priets were accused of something that could get them in jail. About 350 were charged and about 220 were convicted.



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petel2

posted September 22, 2010 at 6:21 pm


Goodguyex, thanks for the post. Over 60% of the children abused were elementary school children, according to the victims themselves. I understand that most of the cases are not known by the RCC since these victims do not feel there is honesty there, so where else would you get your data?
Pedophilia is sexually abusing children who have not completely developed sexually both physically and mentally. In some states, crimes against children under the age of 16 are considered crimes of pedophilia. Pedophilia has a state by state definition.
If altergirls were allowed, expect only a few boys would have been abused. Pedophilia generally sways a bit towards girls, not boys. Most importantly is the pedo will “hunt” their prey – who is available.
To say the crimes were of gay related would be against any study of pedophilia, where did you hear of such nonsense? The church maybe?
Most cases were dropped due to statutes of limitations – not innocence. And most crimes where not reported die to the illness caused. You need to understand the effects on the victim to better understand why it takes so long. It is a mental illness caused as the child’s brain develops abnormally. In fact the same physical changes can be seen in those who have committed suicide. I’m hoping that you can now see the horrors these children lived through if suicide was their path. It is a cruel lifelong punishment, please show some compassion.



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petel2

posted September 22, 2010 at 6:43 pm


BTW; The 6,500 names from bishopaccountability. org only represents 1/3 of those named by the victims.
My question to those who seem to come up with statistics? Where could you possibly get your information from? Victims are not listed with the RCC and authorities have no charges since the pedo is protected by statutes. The Catholic church has only a few names of the abusers and abused and the justice system as well.
And finally, I hop folks understand that the MOST VIOLENT pedos will likely go free. It may take as much as 50 years for victims to come forward due to the damage caused, mental illness. And mental illness does not mean retarded either.
This means that the most violent crimes of pedophilia will never make it to court, they get thrown out. These are the majority that are missed.
I believe all the victims want is the truth exposed, yet the Catholic church lobbies to stop the exposure and help for the victims.



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nnmns

posted September 22, 2010 at 10:23 pm


It sounds like a very worthwhile show. It’s great they are doing it.



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petel2

posted September 23, 2010 at 12:06 pm


I hop you interviewed former senator Decamp from Nebraska. When he was investigating Boys Town USA – selling boys for sssexx.
The then cardinal ratzinger, while escaping the Boys Town issue, stated to the senator and 4 others that clergy pedophilia was an enormous problem in the US, more so than any other country.
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At the time, ratzinger was trying to deflect and bet he never realized the clergy abuse scandal would hit the media as it did. He other wise would have never admitted it.
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Anything short of ratinger not knowing the full extent, which BTW he is breathing relief that only so little has gotten exposure so far, of the abuses is a lie. Ratinger and the pope at the time knew how large the problem is and was.



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Goodguyex

posted September 23, 2010 at 1:17 pm


The true pedophiles will have a big number of victims and these are children, not adolescents. This pedophile group abused almost half the group from the John Jay report and these 200 account for most of the younger victims.
There is another group who are also accused of doing something criminal. These may have had one, two, or three victims that involved genital penetration/abuse of youths over about 14. Many had only one victim. The other 3000 of so perps did something like looking a porn with a youth, inappropriate touching, etc but nothing that would likely hold up in a criminal case.
All in all about 250 or so American Catholic priests have been convicted of some kind of sexual misconduct in American courts, about 2-3 priests out of every 1000. Another 3 out of every 100 did something reprehensible that could not be presecuted but could involve civil case.
Over half of the priets named in the John Jay report are dead. Of those alive almost all are retired, defrocked or out of the ministry in some way.



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Goodguyex

posted September 23, 2010 at 1:23 pm


If a truly abusive priests is removed from the ministry and his case is known by the police and courts, it really does not matter how fast he is defrocked. This is not a legal or civil matter.



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petel2

posted September 23, 2010 at 2:16 pm


Glad you specified the John Jay report. Now everyone will find out the truth.
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This report was commissioned by the US Bishops (paid for) and the bishops set down the rules. Data was mostly gotten from the diocese, approved by the bishop, and, yes, my diocese submitted names – only a few as others did. The bishop that submitted the names in my diocese was one of those who sodomized me from ages 8 to 10 – pedophilia.
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Hope you are seeing the truth now.
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The actual data can only be gotten from victims – 4 of those who sodomized me were not included in the John Jay report as the same with most other dioceses in talking with other victims.
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If you were to call John Jay today, they will tell you that that was an old report commissioned by the US bishops before victims of pedophilia were known in such volumes. John Jay will tell you the report is grossly in error, an understatement.
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Now I know where your data came from.



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petel2

posted September 23, 2010 at 2:22 pm


The most violent pedophiles will traumatize the child well into adulthood, arrests are not possible since statutes of limitations now protects the pedo and denies the victim. It is the mental illness caused which is why such a delay. The worst trauma is yet to come, when the victim normalizes, the realization of a life never lived. Imagine how cruel that is!
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Violent pedophilia is the Perfect Crime. The RCC lobbies to ensure victims do not receive help and the truth is not exposed. That is right, the laws are outdated but on the side of the pedos, the RCC.
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According to victims, over 60% of RCC clergy abuse was pedophilia.



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petel2

posted September 23, 2010 at 2:40 pm


Pretty odd that the data came from the diocese bishops and most the names of those who are accused are dead.
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Hope you are seeing the deception clearly now.



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glorybe1929

posted September 23, 2010 at 3:55 pm


All the comments I have read seem to be qualified as statistics.
How sad, we as a God Fearing people, are reduced to this type of analysis.
My husband & I left the RCC in 2001.(on our 50th wedding anniv. ) All the things we heard over 70 yrs.of being the “best Catholics”,came true to be the TRUTH AND MORE SO..that we would not believe before.
Like a Thunderbolt from God, we knew that all the things our sister the Dominican nun told us, were true! All our cousin, the Notre Dame, Holy Cross Brother told us, were true! He was at Boysville, in Michigan(look that one up)He left and told us why(we couldn’t believe it and thought it was sour grapes)Not so.
They were both dead by that time,(2001)and I’m sure, all they knew to be true,( that no one would beleive,) contributed to their early deaths.(72 & 56)
While we were still in San Diego(we were there for the summer on our boat) we heard about retired (in Hillcrest ) Fr. Paul Shanley’s sexual abuse of an 8 yr. old boy,in the SD Union Tribune Newspaper. He was on “playground duty”, that the SDPD had allowed him to be a great “Playground Guard”..He volunteered, they graciously accepted him of course, as a retired priest, what could be better to safe- guard our children? OMG
It was revealed in the SD Newspaper that “the good father” and a group of “gays” from Hillcrest had bought an old Motel in Palm Springs, Ca. that they named”The Boy Man Club”. Fr. Paul Shanley was out recruiting “boys” for their club. How nice?
When we got home to Scottsdale Az. we read in our Newspaper, The Arizona Republic, that we had had 5 pedophiles in our church of St. Maria Goretti in Scottsdale. Not all there at the same time. We knew them all and would have vouched for each and everyone of them. Except one, the last one, Fr. John Picardi.(since convicted) We knew there was a problem there.
The others were such a shock,especially Fr. John Dorn, who was among them.He brought Clare Booth Luce to the RCC, a famous lady that lived at the Biltmore, in the winter.
At this same time our Bishop, Thomas O’Brien, was being held for hit and run death of an Indian(and trying to cover it up) what else is new? So he got scared when the Phoenix PD asked questions and he spilled the beans to them and the “paper”about all the pedophiles.
Cardinal Law of Boston had written “the H & R bish” about Fr. Picardi. He wanted to get him out of town, as it was revealed that the “good father” had raped a 16 yr. boy. Also in the deposition(online) Cardinal Law said Picardi wanted a warm place to go to and Scottsdale sounded good to him, “our bish” said , “sure , send him on.”
He came to our church SMG with his Dalmation dog. We had a pre-school at SMG and little kids loved the spotted dog. We also met his parents from Boston…very nice but spoke not a word when we tried to be friendly at a steak fry. They knew of course why he was there.
WHEN HE KNEW AND WHAT HE KNEW???
What do you think? I’d say it’s been going on since the middle of the 1st century when St. Paul warned the new Christians that there were infiltraitors in the midst of their little groups. He said “do not listen to them as they are preaching a gospel other than the Gospel of Jesus Christ” He said, “even if they come to you as angels, DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM”The RCC’s LISTENED AND WE got a church of MAN and not of GOD!
I have been blogging ever since and have found that our God still exists out side the RCC. Can you imagine that?
Let the RCC die a death that it deserves.



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petel2

posted September 23, 2010 at 4:45 pm


Thanks for posting, glorybe1929.
email sometime to johnstemp101@hotmail.com



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Goodguyex

posted September 23, 2010 at 8:11 pm


The simple truth is that there was a bubble of sexual abuse in the American Catholic priesthood from about 1960-1982.
About 200 or so true pediphile priests abused somewhere between 3500-4000 victims, mostly pre-pubescent children. Some of these were convicted but many died without legal action against them.
Another 1000 or so priets did homosexual sex with one or two teen age post-pubescent boys. And another 400 or so priests had sex with teen age girls. Another 2000 to 2400 priests did some actions or said some things that ranged from inappropriate to significant, usually with a teen boy but the action was not really prosecutable.



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nnmns

posted September 23, 2010 at 10:18 pm


Gg the truth is, why should we trust you? Gb seems a lot more believable.



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Petel2

posted September 24, 2010 at 9:07 am


Hoodbuyex, your data doesn’t hold up. Again, I have no idea where you are getting your information from?? The RCC who wants to hide it??
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John Jay report is not a valid source, just call them. That report was the US bishops, paid by, report to skew.
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I suggest you look at california and then use a multiplier to express the data across the US. Why California? They passed laws that enabled pedo to be identified and victims justice.
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Other than that, you are promoting more RCC deflections. They have been successful in blaming everyone else but themselves.



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Darryl Schmitz

posted September 24, 2010 at 9:47 am


I am heartened by Gary Tuchman’s acknowledgment that the many priests have likewise been victimized by the abhorrent actions of a few. It certainly raises the credibility of his report to recognize that the criminals’ activity and administrators’ attempts to mask the scandal should ruin the reputation of the vast majority of faithful and honorable priests within the faith. To paint a distorted picture that does this further compounds the already tragic nature of these crimes.



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glorybe1929

posted September 24, 2010 at 12:25 pm


The priests, nuns and brothers that have stayed in the RCC, knowing full well what was going on with their fellow religious, are not ruined by others butare ruined in God’s eyes by what they have failed to do.How can anyone be faithful and honorable to Jesus Christ(that is their ministry)when they allow a situatuin to continue,saying”it’s not my business”?
These people claim to be “THE Representatives of Jesus Christ here on earth” to their parishioners, students etc. Most especially the priests as they are exhalted to “His place” by saying “you must confess your sins to a priest,”rather than speak directly to God Almighty when your sorry for your sins. What an outrage to think that any man can take the place of God. No other Christian Church requires this! It is not Biblical. The Bible says to confess to one another, if you so choose. God does not say this isin HIS Holy Word!



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Petel2

posted September 24, 2010 at 12:25 pm


Darrl.
Almost all bishops aided in the cover ups and most priests knew of another who harmed if they didn’t do so themselves, most all kept their mouths shut. This is mob stuff from an organization that has “secret” written in so many documents and oaths demanding information remain internalized.
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Speaking out is speaking out in public, not within the organization. The few good priests have left and those who stuck it out and spoke publicly were demoted.



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glorybe1929

posted September 24, 2010 at 12:40 pm


There was a priest from Chiapas, Mexico called Fr. Lauren, that used to come to our church(St. Maria Goretti, Sct. Az.) once a yr(in the 70’s) and preach for his orphanage there. He brought pictures of children that were hung in our hall, so that we could pick a child and donate to this cause and have our child to write to,etc. We all did this as he was such a compelling speaker..
In my travels through the internet, I have found that Fr. Lauren was found out to be a pedophile! And as far as I can remember, is in prison. Ah yes, the “good fathers” are so good”. Jesus even said, “do not call me good, as the only one who is good, is God.” He also said do not call anyone Father. I guess that’s why we use Daddy or Pappa. I do not know anyone who “calls” his Dad “father”
We live and we learn or we put our head in the sand and keep the status quo. We “all” will be judged for this sin. In my humble opinion.



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glorybe1929

posted September 24, 2010 at 12:58 pm


I guess I wrote this about the orphanage and Fr. Lauren because as I was writing, a pop up came on, about picking a child and asking for a donation. Anyone who gives money to this organization or the RCC has to have their head examined. IMHO.



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Eka

posted September 25, 2010 at 4:30 pm


For ACTUAL FACT’s that debunk much of CNN’s report unfairly accusing the pope :”Has CNN no shame?
http://www.osv.com/PopeBenedictXVIandtheSexualAbuseCrisisBlog/tabid/8019/entryid/71/Has-CNN-no-shame.aspx
and
“CNN’s appalling attack on the Pope”
http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?id=711



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Petel2

posted September 25, 2010 at 5:33 pm


It saddens me to see CNN and others only reporting half the damage caused by the pope and the RCC’s hierarchy. Then again, they can only report the facts. The whole truth would likely be too disgusting anyway.
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The damaged caused by ratzinger included the cover ups, the worst crimes imaginable. All the time and effort he spent denying the children victims, NEVER ONCE did he issue documents to care for the child. Now that is the tell all of what he cared most about. As a result, many victims committed suicide and others mentally ill. This didn’t have to happen, all the tears and suffering of families and victims caused by this man who choose to protect self over small elementary school children’s lives.
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Let’s see what else ratzinger did. He wrote a letter to demand the victims cases be “extinguished”, until they reach the age of adulthood plus 10 years. Why? Because, this way, statutes of limitations now protects the church, the pedos and denies the victims. How is that for a caring ratzinger.
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Had the children been cared for instead, they might have lead normal lives.
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I could never imagine any human being could stoop as low as this pope and his churches hierarchy.
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Someone please tell me what the pope is doing today to help these victims and their families?
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As a victim I only see him deflecting from the truth, just more lies.



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Petel2

posted September 25, 2010 at 5:43 pm


As a victim of rrraaappes and sssoddoommies from ages 8 to 10, once a gang sssooooddoommy by 4 priests – I’m asking Americans to help us expose the truth. Please demand your lawmakers and justice departments to hold this organization accountable. Right now, the RCC has the financial ability to buy those who should be helping us.
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Many mothers suffer unimaginable pain as they cry every night for their lost children who committed suicide and those mentally ill. And these mothers know the RCC denied their children. Not only does the RCC deny their children, but their lobby efforts to stop laws that would help all victims of abuse, deny all abused.
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The RCC doesn’t care for these mothers, the children victims and only care of their own reputation.
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Please help us, we need to to demand accountability.



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Petel2

posted September 26, 2010 at 12:50 pm


Someone please tell me what the pope is doing to help these victims and their families? Answer that question before supporting this criminal.
Let’s see the truth of the popes now.



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Scott

posted September 27, 2010 at 2:04 am


One important clarification needs to be made here.
The bishop is the one to remove the priest from active ministry and report him to police etc.
This is the most important decision that involves the safety of children.
The secondary decision on whether to defrock the priest has not effect on the safety of childre at all. It is a ‘spiritual’ decision, about whether or not the priest can be returned spiritually to the lay state.
It has nothing at all to do with active work in the church or contact with children.
If one can understand this simple distintion, all the ammunition fired at the Holy Father turns to horse feathers.



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Petel2

posted September 27, 2010 at 8:04 am


Great Scott! Have you read the posts here? Have you followed the crimes of the pope, obstruction of justice? The pope wrote to all bishops to “extinguish” all cases until the victim reaches the age of adulthood plus 10 years – so that statutes of limitations protects the RCC, the pedo and denies the victims – THE POPE ORCHESTRATED THE COVER UPS.
The pope demanded the silence. The popes actions lead the bishops to believe it was to be kept quiet and nothing done. The then cardinal ratzinger (pope at the time knew what was going on) wanted all bishops to NOT report to authorities and keep it in the secret church councils. And the bishops followed their bosses orders.
Are you that thick?



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K.T.

posted September 27, 2010 at 12:38 pm


I was wondering why we only hear about this in the Catholic Church. Why does no one report on these same horrible crimes in the Protestant Churches? And once and for all, just because you defend your faith and your Church doesn’t mean you defend these horrible actions.
Someone ask what is the Pope doing to help the victims. Obviously to the victims not enough, and I can understand that. I guess my question is what would you like the Pope to do? What would you like the Church to do? How can faithful Catholics like myself make this right, or at least try to. 99% of the Priest’s and lay people are faithful good people who can’t stand this evil and this terrible stain placed on our Church by a small percentage of sick evil people.
And again of it is truly about the welfare of the children then let’s start spreading the blame where it goes and not just sending it all to Rome. There are just as many sickle in the Protestant Churches, yet strangely, we hear nothing about that here…..or anywhere else. Why?



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Petel2

posted September 27, 2010 at 3:47 pm


KT – more deflections.
1. The RCC lobbies to stop laws that would expose pedos and help victims. Does any other organization do that? Nope.
2. The RCC, pope included, committed the worst crimes against humanity – they orchestrated the largest cover up of crimes against small elementary school children. Instead of covering it up with threats to small children, had they done what was good and right, they would have helped the small children raped and sodomized. These children would have not committed suicide and others not mentally ill due to the abuses. How low, how disgusting.
3. Re: protestants. Pay attention. In california and maryland, the few states that protected the victims civil rights, over 85% of all cases were against the RCC and less than 15% was the sum total of all other religions and organizations. Get the facts. Insurance companies paid the claims so that no organization would be singled out.
4. And what can the pope do? Even though this was his crime to cover it up, see his letter of 2001 as cardinal above, the victims want the truth exposed in courts. Instead of the RCC lobbying against victims, those damaged, the pope can demand all lawmakers do as California did – the truth will now come out to the light.



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Petel2

posted September 27, 2010 at 3:53 pm


And BTW, stop pretending only a few were involved. The worst crimes were the cover ups and denying small elementary school children help, those raped and sodomized.
Almost 100% of all bishops aided ratzinger in his orchestrated cover ups, including threats to small children. You would be had pressed to find a priest who did not know a child was abused, denial.
How low can you and your RCC hierarchy stoop? I thought no human could reach such as low as the RCC has, and you continue to prove it KT.



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Petel2 is a bigot

posted September 28, 2010 at 8:26 pm


Petel2, your bigotry is spread all over the Internet to see.



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Petel2

posted September 28, 2010 at 8:40 pm


Looks like a pedo is a bit angry. ^^ must be a priest.
I imagine the truth makes some folks angry.
BTW, I’m only interested in the truth.



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Mike M

posted September 28, 2010 at 11:40 pm


1) Defrock doesn’t mean anything. There’s no such thing.
2) Laicizing a priest is a religious matter rather than a disciplinary one. A priest can be removed from ministry without being laicized.
Perhaps Tuchman could have done some research on how the Church works before making this documentary?
Furthermore, I think the information in the documentary itself shows that Pope Benedict fought hard to stop sex abuse in the Church. Tuchman managed to admit that while still trying to pretend that this shameful disaster is Benedict’s fault. It’s even more sickening when you consider that he’s pretending that molester-protecting dirtbags like Rembert Weakland were the good guys.



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Petel2

posted September 29, 2010 at 7:07 am


Here is who the RCC pedos and their protectors want to harm again.
http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/res/brain.html
After all, it’s OK they harmed children and hide from the crimes because others did it too.



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Petel2

posted September 29, 2010 at 7:36 am


Mike.
Ratzinger committed the worst crimes against humanity. Imagine his 2001 letter to all bishops to make sure they stood by the “Crimes of Solicitations” cover up document with threats to small children who were already raped and sodomized (remember he said most didn’t have that document, they would have to in order to comply with him. – caught in more lies this pope)
And ratzinger’s letter also said to “extinguish” all cases of abuse until the victim reaches the age of adulthood plus 10 years. Why? Because statutes of limitations now protects the RCC, the pedo and denies the victims civil rights. Imagine that, ratinger wanted to make sure the victims were destroyed.
This pope, as others, are the scum of the earth along with the bishops and cardinals who delivered the blow to small damaged children. How low could any human being go? I think that is a low as one could go.



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posted September 29, 2010 at 11:41 am


Patel2,
Don’t lie to me. I can read, you know. He didn’t say to “extinguish” anything. He said what the law at the time was (which was that there was a 10 year statute of limitations on most offenses, unless it was sex abuse of a minor in which case it was for 10 years after the victim’s 18th birthday.) He didn’t say “so wait 10 years,” in fact, the implication was exactly the opposite.
And the statute of limitations was for canon law trials, not trials in civil courts (which is obvious since those statutes of limitations would vary by jurisdiction.)
He also later fought to replace the very document he was clarifying in that letter, and also later doubled that statute of limitations and made it so that it could be easily waved.
Trying to attack the Pope because in his former job he wrote about what the laws at the time said is ridiculous. I suppose any honest lawyer is “scum” as well? It’s particularly ridiculous since he later fought to change that law. I do have a problem with that law, but my anger about it is directed at the people responsible for that law, which came about before Cardinal Ratzinger ever got to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.



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posted September 29, 2010 at 12:51 pm


Well Mike, I have no reason to lie – the truth is ugly and so is the pope.
Quit deflecting and quit supporting those who committed the worst crimes against humanity, small innocent children no less.
The pope has known the severity as he slipped during the Boys Town Inquiry (selling boys for sex) in front of a State Senator and 4 others when he admitted pedophilia across North America by clergy was a bigger problem. He never expected this to blow up as it did.
The truth is in his actions. His actions were letters, letters that denied victims.
And BTW, even though most reasonable thinking people know he is a criminal, tell me this; With all his letters to avoid, why were there none that stated;
GET THE CHILD IMMEDIATE MEDICAL ATTENTION, TELL THE PARENTS SO THEY CAN CARE FOR THEIR CHILD AND TELL AUTHORITIES TO PROTECT OTHER CHILDREN.
Lack of such a letter is proof alone the scum pope, bishops and cardinals only cared of themselves, and choose to destroy small children’s lives who have been raped and sodomized.
No more proof on my part needed – You and the other pedo protectors need to call us victims liars because the truth is too disgusting.



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posted September 29, 2010 at 1:02 pm


Additionally, many might wonder why this pope only added some years to the statutes of limitation. The reason is that canon law means crap to the rest of the world, has no bearing on any of us. In other words canon law is no different than kids tree house rules. (The popes, bishops and cardinals maturity is about the same too. These are freak men who engage in perversions, human beings just don’t run around with weird celibate rules. Shows they are a club of freaksters and the parishioners are no more than customers who bought air barrels- look at all the $$$ they make off their customers.)
And even his few years, statutes, shows he is still protecting pedos or he would have eliminated the statutes altogether. A known fact is the more violent the pedo, the longer the victim is too ill to come forward. And at 40 years old, a victim who has not come forward was likely severely traumatized (violent sodomy). In other words the pope is stopping the sickest crimes of sodomy from coming forward, protecting those pedos
Another thing most people know is that pedos, outside the family, average 80 victims. With this many witnesses, this is the easiest crime to prove no matter how long ago. And the pedos don’t age out – into their 90’s. These violent pedos hate children.
Looks like the pope is still up to his scummy dirty tricks, the liar.



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posted September 29, 2010 at 1:19 pm


And what has the pope done to help victims? Nothing.
All victims want is the law to change to preserve their civil rights instead of protecting pedos rights over theirs. Not too much to ask. After all, less than 10% would ever come forward.
We then want full investigations, we know how the mob RCC acts. “What do you mean by abuse. I mean really mean.” – yep we can see it now. Just as ratzingers letters demanding old laws of cover up be enforced and to extinguish cases until statutes protects them.
And ratinger has no choice but to pretend he is doing something – it was as orchestrated as the cover up – and all those pedos kept their retirement. And let’s not forget how slow and long it took to start his even slower process – this way he can divert more (escape).
Anyone knows that claiming an organization is slow to move is just a lie of deception when child abuse is the issue – most caring organizations would work in lightening speed. Shows more lies from the pope and his mobsters. Proves more who he really wanted to help, himself.
Quit the lies and quit the deflections.



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