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Gay Marriage in New York and the Coming Persecution of Catholics

Last week in New York the homosexual equivalency agenda advanced their cutural revolution and dealt one more blow against marriage – and the family and society founded upon it. I call this effort a “homosexual equivalency movement” to reflect the goal of its leaders. They are dedicated to building a society where the positive law of the Nation forces us all to call to be a marriage what can never be a marriage – or face the police power of the State.

The leaders of the homosexual equivalency movement insist that homosexual sexual practices are morally equivalent to the sexual expression of marital love between a man and a woman. They are dedicated to building a society where the positive law of the Nation forces us all to call to be a marriage what can never be a marriage – or face the police power of the State.

They are using the courts and the legislatures to enforce this cultural revolution. They scored what they believe was a decisive “victory” for their brave new world in New York last week. History will prove them wrong. It has in the past when such efforts failed. One only has to look to ancient Rome. There we also discover a growing intolerance toward faithful Christians who defended the truth about marriage against efforts to give an equivalent status, under the law, to homosexual relationships. 

Sadly, even those who knew they were doing something which violated the Natural Law and threatens the common good – voting to call something a marriage which can never be a marriage – succumbed to the pressure of the mob last week. And the mob celebrated in the streets of New York on Sunday. The mob also placed on display some of the behaviors which will soon be protected by the positive or “civil” law of the State.

The Catholic Bishop of Brooklyn, Nicholas Anthony DiMarzio, published an op-ed in the New York Daily News entitled “Passage of gay nuptials in New York State is another ‘nail in the coffin’ of marriage.” He released a statement after the vote in which he noted “This issue has been framed as upholding marriage equality. This is not the case since one of the principal purposes of marriage is to bring new life into the world. This cannot happen in same-sex marriage. It is not a civil rights issue, but rather a human rights issue upholding the age-old understanding of marriage. Our political leaders do not believe their own rhetoric. If they did, how in good conscience could they carve out any exemption for institutions that would be proponents of bigotry and prejudice?”

The truth about marriage is not simply a “religious” construct.  The Natural Law reveals – and the cross cultural history of civilization affirms – that marriage is between a man and a woman, open to children and intended for life. Marriage is the foundation for the family which is the privileged place for the formation of virtue and character in children, our future citizens. The family is the first society, first economy, first school, first church, first hospital, forst society, first civilizing and mediating institution and first government. It is built upon the solid foundation of true marriage and no counterfeit will provide the necessary ground for its flourishing.

In his apostolic exhortation on the Eucharist, the Sacrament of Charity, Pope Benedict summarized the duty of the Catholic faithful when confronted with this assault on authentic marriage:  “Marriage and the family are institutions that must be promoted and defended from every possible misrepresentation of their true nature, since whatever is injurious to them is injurious to society itself.” So, get ready, Catholics, at least believing Catholics, will not back down.

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith of the Catholic Church wrote in 2003, “The Church’s teaching on marriage and on the complementarity of the sexes reiterates a truth that is evident to right reason and recognized as such by all the major cultures of the world. Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It was established by the Creator with its own nature, essential properties and purpose.

“No ideology can erase from the human spirit the certainty that marriage exists solely between a man and a woman, who by mutual personal gift, proper and exclusive to themselves, tend toward the communion of their persons. In this way, they mutually perfect each other, in order to cooperate with God in the procreation and upbringing of new human lives.”

What the Catholic Church teaches about marriage is not only a “religious” position, though it is certainly affirmed by revelation. It is objectively true and cannot be changed. In this age which Pope Benedict XVI rightly called a “Dictatorship of Relativism”, such truth claims elicit anger among the new cultural revolutionaries. The anger will only grow as the clash of world views becomes even clearer. 

In the long run, this effort in New York to call a marriage what can never be a marriage will not endure. The truth will prevail and the real common good of society will be protected. However, it will feed what is becoming a  growing persecution against Catholics, other faithful Christians and any others who insist that a marriage is what it is – and not what the new Caesar decrees.

The so called “religious exemption” elements within the legislation were a ploy to placate those who might otherwise see the obvious bigotry which this legislation entails. “Exempt” the Church out of the public square by forcing faithful Christians, Jews and others who insist on the importance of marriage – and the and family and society built upon it – into their own ghettos. Maybe then they will  leave everyone else alone.

In the warning issued before the vote by Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York, “You are claiming the power to change what is not into what is, simply because you say so.” Sadly, even some Catholic legislators sold out. They did not understand what their Church proclaims about true marriage. Like the truth she proclaims about the dignity of every human life, from conception to natural death, the truth about marriage is written in the Natural Law.

Sadly, the irony is that the son of the man who betrayed the truth about the right to life and the dignity of the child in the womb, former Governor Mario Cuomo, has now betrayed the truth about marriage. Both father and son claim to be Catholic. They acted in a manner which betrayed that they are unfaithful and deceived at best. Get ready, the persecution of faithful Catholics, and other Christians and people of good will who understand the objective truth about marriage  is about to increase.



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Cathy

posted June 28, 2011 at 2:32 pm


I support gay marriage, but respect each faith’s right not to. But since I’m not a Catholic, could you please answer these questions? Are people who are incapable of biologically producing children unable to marry in your church? If raising children is so important, why shouldn’t two same-gender people be allowed to marry, then adopt and raise children in a loving home?



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Chris H

posted June 29, 2011 at 5:54 am


I do not believe the Catholic Church will ever make exceptions for same-sex unions, even if each of the persons had the most deep-seated homosexual tendencies and promised to adopt and raise children. This is not based on conservative hard-headedness as much as it is about continuing to promote what Jesus considered fundamental about marriage — that it would involve one man with one woman, that it would involve children, and that divorce was prohibited. All sex outside of this was thus prohibited. And the greatest assault on marriage has come from the culture of divorce and the tyranny of the sexual revolution, mainly from heterosexuals.

I too wondered if perhaps an exception could be made for those homosexuals who have the most deep-seated tendencies (unlike bisexuals or tepid homosexuals). The sin associated with sodomy prevents this. Then I wondered if a provision could be made for two pure homosexuals who agreed to not have sexual relations but would live together. And now you have just two friends living together. So you can see this getting watered down.

Nonetheless, since the tenor of this debate has gotten ugly in many places (read anything Maureen Dowd writes on it), I have to remind myself to treat all homosexuals with the utmost dignity and respect. The Canadian Bishops did a good job of summarizing this approach:

“In her teaching, however, the Church never condemns persons with same-sex attraction. She carefully distinguishes between an individual’s inclinations or feelings – some of which are transitory and/or situational and others which are deep-seated or permanent – and one’s actions. While homosexual acts are always objectively wrong, same-sex inclinations are not in themselves sinful or a moral failing. To the extent that a same-sex attraction is not freely chosen, there is no personal culpability in having such an inclination. Nonetheless, when oriented toward genital activity, this inclination is “objectively disordered.” This does not mean that the person as a whole is somehow defective or “badly made,” or that he or she has in some way been rejected by God. Inclinations to homosexual acts in no way diminish the full human dignity or intrinsic worth of the person. For many people, same-sex attraction constitutes a trial. They therefore deserve to be approached by pastors with charity and prudence.”



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Haime52

posted June 29, 2011 at 10:40 am


I stand with you, in this. While not a member of your church, I appreciate the Catholic church’s stance on this issue. Repentant gay’s, etc. can be saved, as can anyone who becomes converted, repents and no longer practices sin.
They pushed their agenda through but what is next? Their are those who “love” animals and wish to see their proclivity sanctioned, those who are pedophiles and wish child marriage, as in some other countires, who wish theirs sanctioned too, what does it end? What about plural marriage? Where is the states interest there? We definitely know there are those who want that sanctioned and if gays may marry, why not? “…as in the days of Noah…”



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Cathy

posted June 30, 2011 at 9:21 am


Chris H, thank you for the reply. Does the church prohibit any sex that doesn’t have a chance of resulting in procreation? Does the church refuse to marry heterosexuals who are unable to reproduce? Are married couples well past child-bearing age prohibited from having sex? If it comes down to procreation or no sex at all, I can understand the church is simply asserting its belief that sex is for reproduction only. But if there’s more discrimination against homosexuals than against other sinners, it smacks of hypocrisy.

Haime52, comparing a loving relationship between two consenting adults to bestiality and pedophilia only betrays your ignorance and hate of homosexuals. If this was simply a matter of any sin, rather than specifically homosexuality, the Church would be actively condemning civil unions between heterosexuals and denying their right to adopt, as well. People like you keep me wary of Christianity as a whole.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted July 28, 2011 at 11:57 am


Chris H., you said, “it is about continuing to promote what Jesus considered fundamental about marriage — that it would involve one man with one woman, that it would involve children”. Please tell us where Christ mentioned children would be involved in marriage? Making babies is not a requirement of ANY marriage I know of.

Next, to Haime, let me echo Cathy’s words: you compare loving, committed, consenting, adult, human relationships to beastiality and child-molestation. (No WONDER you folks get knocked down – this is NOT love. It is a heinous misrepresentation of reality.) I must, therefor, presume you have never heard of the term “consent”.

Meanwhile, to the post in general, what passed in NY is equal CIVIL marriage. How that somehow interferes with religious marriages is not explained in the article and remains a puzzlement.

Nor is there one iota of evidence to back up the headline’s specious claim of coming persecution. No Catholic priest has EVER been “forced” to marry a non-Catholic person OR a divorced person. You set your tenets and abide by them. But explain to me why, since I am not a member of YOUR church, why I – or anyone – should be forced to abide by its tenets, especially in a CIVIL marriage situation?

P.S. And quoting other Catholic opinion columns is hardly a non-biased source.

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kenneth

posted July 31, 2011 at 8:16 pm


The sooner our species can finish sawing off the ball and chain of Judeo-Christianity, the sooner we will begin moving forward and begin to build a decent world.



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Frank

posted August 2, 2011 at 12:53 pm


Haime52,
The priests in your church are the child rapists.



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Kerberos

posted August 13, 2011 at 12:16 pm


“Gay Marriage in New York and the Coming Persecution of Catholics”

Will there be an apology when the persecution so many Catholics seem to be certain will occur, does not occur ? Or is scare-mongering one of the Virtues nowadays ?

“What the Catholic Church teaches about marriage is not only a “religious” position, though it is certainly affirmed by revelation.”

## Why should non-Catholics – IOW, most of the USA, & most of the world – care about or bother with the Catholic position on marriage ? And what business is it of the CC to dictate to people who enter into a civil marriage what they should think ? The US is not a Catholic country, nor is it ruled by a Catholic ethos; and the Constitution provides for the separation – not the union – of church and state.

Catholics, lay or clerical, have no business stopping people avail themselves of rights enacted into law. NY has recognised a legal right of same-sex couples to be married, without however requiring religious bodies that oppose such unions to be required to solemnise them. The Catholic authorities have no right to deny to anyone the exercise of a right they are granted by the state; because the CC has no legal authority to countermand, abolish, annul, derogate from, abrogate or deny rights enacted by the state. It is verging on something resembling treason if it attempts to replace the legally-accountable state authorities with its own. It is one voice in society – and only one.

Gays in NY are not legally entitled to be married by bodies which object to gay marriage. The recent legislation protects the CC from having to accord sacramental marriage to gay Catholics. So why should gays want to persecute those bodies which are legally protected from having to provide what gay people do not need anyway ? Marriage by the state is still marriage – and the CC has no more power or right in law to deny it to gay people than any other religious body in the US. Assuming the CC is a religious body, and not a (poorly-disguised) political party.



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Richard Johnson

posted August 18, 2011 at 7:28 pm


“Gay Marriage in New York and the Coming Persecution of Catholics”

I think there may be a persecution of Catholics coming down the road, but it won’t be over gay marriage. It’s going to happen because Catholic leaders do not take seriously the abuse problems that are still happening within the ranks of priests, and the continuing cover-ups by bishops.

Perhaps that is where your energy should be focused first. Once you have that situation under control you will have time and energy to spend on correcting “sinful” behavior elsewhere.



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persecutee

posted January 19, 2012 at 10:24 pm


Another example is happening now to me. The personnel department is leaning heavily on me to stop making the sign of the cross at work. One of these cultural revolutionaries complained, although I did not make it purposely to be seen, only because I like to pray at all times. I actually had to sit there and defend my right to sign myself with the cross. Get ready, real persecution is coming to us.



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Sebastian

posted March 13, 2013 at 1:43 pm


I still can’t understand how catholics came to that horrendous idea that freedom of others are oppressive to catholics. Catholicism is oppressed on it’s own wish when priests are moved from one parish to another for pedophile scandals, homosexualism, making kids. 60% of polish catholic priests have mistress, so obviously catholicism is getting oppressed, practice what you preach good sir, practice what you preach.



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Sebastian

posted March 13, 2013 at 1:46 pm


Also, catholic idea of empathy and love for neighbor is scary as hell. Hebrew word for Love from the bible doesn’t mean emotional love, but real actions, and this is what’s lacking in catholicism. YOu are fast to say “oh i love you guys, i care about you hurr durr” but when it comes to real understanding, there is nothing left…



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