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Sarah Palin & President Obama Agree: Quran-Burning Is Wrong

posted by Nicole Neroulias

The chorus of voices against Pastor Terry Jones’ plan to host “Burn a Koran Day” at his ironically-named Dove World Outreach Center church in Florida church tomorrow — Sept. 11, which coincides with the Muslim celebration of Eid-al-Fitr, the joyous culmination of Ramadan, this year – now includes Pope Benedict, President Barack Obama, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Angelina JolieGen. David Petraeus, the VFW and other military/veterans groups who point out that this plan motivates Muslim terrorists and therefore endangers our troops abroad and ourselves at home.

There’s a pun in here somewhere about hell freezing over.

What’s interesting is that, especially among the politically conservative opponents of this book-burning stunt, people are now making the argument that this is just like Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf’s proposal to build Park51, the Islamic community center and mosque near Ground Zero: Yes, America grants us the freedom to do these things, but that doesn’t mean that we should.

Hmmm. Well, as Jon Stewart said last night, around the 2:15 mark of this Daily Show footage:

Get it? See the parallel? A Christian is an extremist for burning the Quran. A Muslim is an extremist by reading from it… too close to a place that their extremists burned. It almost makes no sense.

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david hume

posted September 9, 2010 at 1:05 pm


President Obama impressed us all with his support of building a Moslem cultural center near the destroyed Twin Towers. That’s America, recognizing freedom of religion to do whatever it wants, as long as they comply with zoning and local ordinances.
But a small tiny rural church in Gainesville obviously cannot be allowed to burn Korans, without international approval
The American civil liberties union supports the right of Nazis to march through a Holocaust survival neighborhood in Skokie.
But burning a Koran just goes too far. Insulting Moslems is our exception to the free speech and free exercise of religion clauses.
Burning a Koran clearly steps over the line. Nazis in Skokie ok, Moslems on 911 sacred ground ok. but never burn a Koran. The distinction is so clear?
Especially a christian church—if it had been the Shiites Moslems burning the Dari language Koran in Afghanistan, we’d look the other way. Afghanistan imprisoned the translator of the Koran. Afghan judges said it was blasphemy to have a Dari Koran. President Obama said nothing. It’s important that he speak out against a Christian who burns Korans. The American military burned Bibles sent to Afghanistan. That was ok.
We support the right of free speech and expression, the right to religion and churches to do anything not violating the law. But there is a natural law of Allah that says thou shalt not burn the Koran, and America must obey this law. God is Great. He permits burning Bibles, Jewish scriptures and Greek New Testament Scriptures, but God has a real problem with burning a Koran. Good to see Obama agrees. Not that Obama might be Moslem. He just understand Allah’s laws.



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Henrietta22

posted September 9, 2010 at 1:40 pm


I listened to Imam Rauf last night on CNN, and the people discussing what he said after, as I imagine most of us did. I also read what he said on the net of CNN. His life has been one of the scholar, teaching his religion as it should be, without radicalization put in by the extremists in his religion of Islam. When he picked this dilapidated bldg. that was already housing a small mosque for many yrs. since the 9-ll attack, he said he didn’t even think that a Community Bldg. to house interfaiths and bring understanding and peace to all would ever come to this huge country argument. His reasoning for continuing is that to back down would inspire the radicals in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. to attack more against Christians, and America. He mentioned radicals here and everyone jumped a foot in denial, if they didn’t want it where it’s going to be. I think there are radicals here, but there are more average citizens who are believing radical reasonings because they mirror their own emotional opinions. That’s why I’ve said before that our country has laws to settle emotional reasonings without a civil war ensuing between its citizens. Our President finally has to tell the nation that and the political pushers against Obama get busy again yelling and ranting. It’s like living in the middle of screaming children having a temper tantrum. The people who are against America say see they can’t live with all their freedoms, they even argue about what is freedom. If everyone would calm down and think on their own again and stop attacking each other maybe our leaders could lead.



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Alicia

posted September 9, 2010 at 1:42 pm


I loved that one of Sarah Palin’s tweets about this apparently said to “Stand down.” She must believe the Rev. Terry Jones is part of her army. To bad he appears to be ignoring her advice.
David Hume, I’m quoting from what I said on the thread below:
“The planned Quran-burning is an appalling idea, an act of deliberate provocation and disrespect, but I do believe that it is also protected speech under our constitution, however appalling it may be. As Christopher Hitchens says, there is no right or entitlement never to be offended by someone else’s beliefs or speech, and there is no excuse for a violent response to a perceived or actual insult. But, I wish Jones would listen to the wisdom of those who urge him to cancel his plans.”
In my opinion, burning the Quran, the Bible, or other religious texts should remain legal under our Constitution, as it is currently. We don’t need any “blasphemy” laws, and I don’t believe in “hate crime” laws either. But, that aside, the pressure being put on Jones is perfectly appropriate. He’s throwing gasoline on an already smoldering fire. Not to speak of the radical Islamists and terrorists who will use this to recruit, he’s also giving the authoritarian, anti-Democratic leaders of many Muslim countries a gift with which to distract their oppressed members. Well done, Pastor Jones.



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Alicia

posted September 9, 2010 at 1:48 pm


Good post, Henrietta22. You might want to check out this editorial by Eugene Robinson, “We’re Spoiled Brats, and We Vote.”
Here is the link to the Washington Post. I think you will have to register to view the content however:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/03/24/LI2005032402899.html



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Apuleius Platonicus

posted September 9, 2010 at 2:14 pm


Islam has always been a force for peace, tolerance, social justice, women’s equality, religious freedom, universal literacy, democracy, and good oral hygeine.
People really really need to stop talking about any kind of backlash for burning the Korean. The Muslims of the world reject all such violence, and they will limit themselves to calmly reasoned (but deeply hearfelt) calls for more intense dialoguing and ever louder kumbaya singing.



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Tom

posted September 9, 2010 at 2:50 pm


I as well don’t believe relocation of the planned mosque will incite terrorism. After all, this is a moderate mega-mosque/community center being erected. Seeing as how moderate Muslims are always denouncing the violent fringe element of radical Islam, then logic would dictate that radical Islamists would more likely be incited if the center is erected, seeing as how their interpretation of Islam is at significant odds with the moderate interpretation.



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Txlady706

posted September 9, 2010 at 3:16 pm


This is insane. They are offended? They flew planes in to 2 buildings in NY and more. They continue to perform terrorist activities. And THEY are offended? That’s RICH.
Obama should have no opinion. This is irresponsible of him. This statement by this fool is bad. A DERELICTION OF DUTY and a Seditious ACT. He is the President. His WORDS are ACTIONABLE. His WORDS are SEDITIOUS.
The lefties burn the Bible and the Flag, why should the KORAN be protected?
If this government protects the KORAN, they will be ESTABLISHING special protections for ISLAM. This government, after doing that, will have, in TRUTH established the CALIPH
The president chiming in on this, due to his OFFICE, is establishing a possible protectionist stance for ISLAM. If this is the case, then HE is creating the division. HE is the MULLAH of America. HE will be the American IMAM
The CORE of the Koran is Conquest and submission and DEATH. The core to all other major religions is LIFE and the betterment of it. The Q’RAN is EVIL. To support EVIL is EVIL.
It’s a false argument to say that we should not burn the Q’RAN, because it will cause death. We have a WAR going on people. Don’t you think that they will pull the trigger if they get a chance anyway? The enemy is not laying their weapons down. The appeasement makes them stronger. The Muslim will kick you when you are down, he will not relent. There is no civility. The Q’RAN allows for plunder of the enemy. They are not CIVIL. The Geneva accord is NOT something that they follow.
The soldiers are in DANGER now, what makes one think that the enemy is NOT serious NOW? What kind of ill logic is this? Burning or not burning a book, will not make the soldiers less safe. Americans need to understand that these people WANT YOU ANNIHILATED. They’ll keep you around as slaves. That’s IT.
This is the same as the Cartoonist crap, who, by the way, Angela Merkel was to honor with a free speech award.



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Henrietta22

posted September 9, 2010 at 3:30 pm


Tom here is how it could incite more terrorism. Some tradtionalists might be on the edge of the beliefs of the modernists, and when they see that 200 Korans are burned, a Mystic member of Islam, Rev. and Scholar, has to back down because of whatever, more Mosques and Muslims being targeted by islamophobes in America, it could send them over the edge into defensive actions. This is what our President is trying to make the citizens understand, General Petraus, and the International Police, in fact, most of Europe. This a.m. a suicide bomber in Russia pulled up in front of a marketplace, and blew himself, and a hundred and twelve people up and out. Twelve died. Was this an offshoot from the publicized “Koran Burn” on 9-ll? This is how the radicals think.



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Henrietta22

posted September 9, 2010 at 3:34 pm


Alicia, thanks for click. I like Robinson’s columns, and hearing him on MSNBC. He is right and the temper tantrums just continue, don’t they?



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C Bate

posted September 9, 2010 at 5:07 pm


Why is nothing said about the burning of the American Flag by these Muslems? I an offend by their action but do they stop it. NO, NO and they never will. It is a outright lie that they are peace loving. They are out to take the US over and will do so if the Politicians and so called main streem media dont’s stop supporting them.



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Henrietta22

posted September 9, 2010 at 5:46 pm


By now most of you know it’s over! The Burners of 200 Korans are not going to burn them. The news says he, the Minister, is on his way to talk to the Imam now to not build the Community Center. It sounds as though he will be too late. The Egyptian gentleman who bgt. all those bldg. on that st. said this a.m. on the net that he is in business and can’t wait forever to get something started so if anyone wanted to buy them they are up for sale…..sounds like Donald Trump is interested. In Old New York, In Old New York, forgot the rest of the words, but I can hear the music!



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someone

posted September 9, 2010 at 6:01 pm


txlady706 You should be ashamed of yourself for bracketing all of muslims in with extremists who violate the tenants of the Koran. By your logic, all Christians should be bracketed in with the KKK, the Oklahoma City Bomber, and the people who did terrorists acts at the Atlanta Olympic Games. People like you are the problem here. There are extremists in all religions and you have proven yourself as one. You speak of hate and violence toward all Muslims because of the actions of a few.
The actions of the Minister were purposefully trying to purport hate. Hate crimes against Muslims have been on the rise. You might think this is all fine and wonderful but would you think that if someone committed a hate crime against a Christian simply for being Christian? No. You wouldn’t think it is fine.
People need to be responsible with their freedom and think about the consquences of their actions.



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Henrietta22

posted September 9, 2010 at 6:52 pm


Like your comment someone. It’s changed again, now the powers that be who own the bldg. don’t want to sell it to Donald Trump. Read CNN. Everyone is so fortunate to have the Minister from FL landing in the middle of the fray! Did you all read that his church in Germany sent him packing, before he landed in FL.



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Jamey

posted September 9, 2010 at 8:53 pm


Burning Qurans is a bad idea, but still …
Maybe his mistake was to say he was doing it as a protest. If he did it in his briefs and called it “performance art” or “personal expression” and burned a U.S. flag while he was at it, maybe that would make it better? Maybe he could even get a Federal grant.



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Cathy Canny

posted September 10, 2010 at 1:19 am


We the people are asking our Home Land Security to do their job in Gainville, Forida, and arrest the Pastor as a terroist, he is not only putting American’s in this country in danger, he is putting our troops in all nations in danger. He is no different then the shoe bomber that is serving his time as a terrorist. Its not a matter of freedom of speech, its a matter of him putting many people by his terroist actions possibly to their death. Stop him before its too late for our troops, before father’s son’s and daughters may bear the actions caused by this so called Pastor.



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Mike

posted September 10, 2010 at 4:33 am


Burning some crappy book is hardly an act of terror.
Your logic or lack thereof is ridiculous. So I say I am going to paint my house blue. You say you hate the color blue and if I go through with my plan, you will randomly kill ten people. I proceed with the paint job and you murder the people as threatened. I can then be arrested for homocide??? Good luck with trying to make that work.



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Alicia

posted September 10, 2010 at 10:32 am


I agree completely with this recent post by Andrew Sullivan on the Daily Dish:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/09/now-just-suspended.html
An excerpt:
“You turn a benign Muslim community center into a “stab in the heart” of Americans (in Sarah Palin’s words) and someone soon will up the ante. Which is why this summer has felt so ominous to me; and the forces itching for full-scale religious warfare more powerful and more unstoppable than any of the restraints in between – from the West Bank to Kandahar and Gainesville and Wasilla. One can hope and pray that this flare-up will be a warning prevented in time for the culture to take a deep breath and understand the consequences of religious fundamentalism openly embraced in the public square.”



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Alicia

posted September 10, 2010 at 10:40 am

Jamey

posted September 10, 2010 at 1:44 pm


“Benign,” Andrew Sullivan tells us. I’m not so sure.
If the good Imam and “Cordoba House” were in fact about Love and Tolerance and Reconciliation, etc. then the project’s planners would be showing more sensitivity to the sensibilities of WTC survivors and their families and would not be insisting on this site. Freedom of Religion and legal rights have nothing to do with this particular issue.
This would be true even if Imam Rauf had no purported connections to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood and did not deliver different messages when speaking in English and Arabic.
However, since the mosque’s planners are insisting on the site near ground zero, we have to consider the opposite explanation; like the destruction of the twin towers, the building of this mosque is a symbolic act, a provocation, and deliberately so.



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Henrietta22

posted September 10, 2010 at 2:23 pm


Good comments Alicia. There has never been a better time to stand up for Freedom of Religion, everybodys, in America. If a strip joint, bar, etc. has been operating in these bldgs. for the last nine yrs. where was the indignation for what they consider a hallowed spot those years. At this point of time when the mosque that has been there also for yrs. is considering building a Community Cultural Center for Muslims and all other faiths, many are offended. It makes no sense. It’s almost as though they are afraid for people of other religions to come together in peace with the Muslims.



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Bill of Rights

posted September 10, 2010 at 4:13 pm


“Sarah Palin & President Obama Agree: Quran-Burning Is Wrong”
Maybe they both have a common enemy: Freedom of Speech.



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Frank

posted September 10, 2010 at 9:12 pm


Now, if we could only get Sarah Palin to agree that hunting witches is wrong.



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Henrietta22

posted September 10, 2010 at 11:01 pm


Has anybody noticed at least the ones that don’t like President Obama that he and Palin are not the only ones who think burning the holy books of Muslim will create more terrorism? People like Gen. Petreus, Interpol, other people in our government, other leaders in Europe, oh, they don’t count, right? They have given their reasons, any of you read them?



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DG

posted September 15, 2010 at 12:48 am


Re: pastor’s threat to burn Quran I’ve decided that I, too, will be offended by many Muslims’ intolerance of democracy. Haven’t US soldiers been dying for their rights to, someday, possibly, burn books without fear? Am I offended to the point of being a threat to anyone? Not at all, because, among many things, democracy teaches tolerance. Long live freedom!



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