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As Jewish, Muslim Celebrations Converge, Some Christians Prepare to Burn Qurans

posted by Nicole Neroulias

Rosh Hashanah 2010, the Jewish New Year (also spelled Hashana), begins tonight at sundown. The two-day festivity coincides this year with the Muslim celebration of Eid-al-Fitr 2010 (also spelled Id-al-Fitr — Judaism and Islam give copy editors headaches), which marks the end of the daytime fasting month of Ramadan.

It’s an interfaith calendar convergence that could make for nice coverage of Jews and Muslims clinking glasses together, except for the Islamophobia angles making headlines:

1) Muslims are worried that people will misinterpret their Sept. 10 feasting as some kind of 9/11-related event, and some are toning their celebrations down as a preventative measure. Meanwhile, some families of 9/11 victims have asked organizers of a planned “Ground Zero mosque” protest against the proposed Park51 Islamic community center not to rally in lower Manhattan on their day of mourning.

2) A Florida evangelical church led by Pastor Terry Jones still plans to hold “Burn a Koran Day” on Sept. 11, despite outcry from U.S. military leaders, government officials and every corner of the religious spectrum — including even the Vatican, which just weighed in against the rally, calling it “outrageous.” Even Angelina Jolie has condemned it, during her trip to Pakistan’s flood-ravaged region as a U.N. Goodwill Ambassador.

Such are the perils of a rotating religious calendar — your holidays may end up at inconvenient (in this case, problematic from a public relations and/or political perspective) times of the secular January-December year. At least with their own calendar this year, Jews are merely griping about the New York City public school schedule, which started classes today but has to be off the rest of the week, and that New York Fashion Week overlaps with their observance.

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Rob the Rev

posted September 8, 2010 at 12:40 pm


Gee, a Christian church that takes seriously Jesus’ command to: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” How come we are not hearing more about this church? Just wondering?
Cordova Christians put out welcome mat for new mosque
By Lindsay Melvin
Memphis Commercial Appeal
Posted August 28, 2010 at midnight
When pastor Steve Stone initially heard of the mosque and Islamic center being erected on the sprawling land adjacent his church, his stomach tightened.
Then he raised a 6-foot sign reading, “Welcome to the Neighborhood.”
Read the remainder of the article at:
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/aug/28/common-threads/



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r

posted September 8, 2010 at 12:40 pm


The headline on your story is unfortunate. The holidays do not collide. As the body of your story says, they coincide



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Nicole Neroulias

posted September 8, 2010 at 1:23 pm


r — Good point. I’ve edited the headline to replace “collide” with “converge.” (I must have gotten “collide” in my head after reading the NYT Fashion Week story — plus, “worlds collide” is a popular saying around my home.)
I also just updated the post to add Angelina Jolie’s condemnation of the “Burn a Koran Day” plans.



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Jimmy Kellum

posted September 8, 2010 at 4:19 pm


I sent a message to newsmanger@foxnews.com it would be worth your while to read what was typed and sent to you all about the Word of God. thank you for youe time.



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Jimmy Kellum

posted September 8, 2010 at 4:28 pm


There are many who talk about the Word of God, and only have the natural mind insight. A born again person when feeding from the Word of God grows in the Wisdom of God revelations. A natural minded person can not receive the things of God. 1CORINTHIANS 2:14 But the natural man receive not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. The Holy Spirit spoke these Words, that a transgressor is one who abideth not in the doctrine of Christ and if you do abideth in the doctrine you have both the Father and the Son. And if someone brings you another doctrine and you receive it you are partaker of his evil deeds. This is in 2 John 9 -11and it reads; 2JOHN 1:9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2JOHN 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 2JOHN 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. The people who follow after this book called the Koran, are written in the Word of God the Holy Bible. These people fall down on their knees and bow down toward the sun in the east and worship the sun that riseth in the east. You can see who they are by their heritages of the Bible and what tribe they are from in the Bible. This is the tribe of Judah and they have did an abominations before the Lord; and they fill the land with violence and provoked God to anger and God will not hear them when they cry out to him for their wrong they do. EZEKIEL 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD’S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. EZEKIEL 8:17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? For they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. EZEKIEL 8:18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them. The Lord took and cast Judah from his site as he had done with Israel and their name word be a by word there; 2KINGS 23:27 And the LORD said, I will remove Judah also out of my sight, as I have removed Israel, and will cast off this city Jerusalem which I have chosen, and the house of which I said, My name shall be there.1KINGS 9:7 Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people: The Lord God removed Israel from his sight and would have mercy on Jacob and set them in their on land. ISAIAH 14:1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. The Lord had in the Old testament told Jacob, thy name will no longer be called Jacob, but it will be called Israel. GENESIS 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. But Jesus Christ himself referred to Israel as Jacob; why ? Because the kingdom of God had been taken away and given to a nation bringing forth fruit of the kingdom of God. MATTHEW 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. LUKE 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. The violence has filled the land and this people who worship toward the sun in the east. But the kingdom we are to seek is not out in this world, that’s why Jesus said; my kingdom is not of this world, when he was question. JOHN 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. The world looks for it and to its failure it cannot find it, for it can not be seen from the outward appearance for it is within you. For Jesus was asked by the Pharisees when it should be restored. LUKE 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: LUKE 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! Or, lo there! For, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. These people are to be grafted in again to God if they abide not in unbelief, ROMANS 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. We are commanded to seek ye first the kingdom of God and his Righteousness and all these things shall be added to you. MATTHEW 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. THE NEW JERUASLEM is above not here on earth. The one on this earth is in bondage. GALATIANS 4:24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. GALATIANS 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. GALATIANS 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. I am so glad that Jesus Christ the Son of God has made away for me to worship Father through him. For God is Spirit and one must worship him in Spirit and Truth. JOHN 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. God restored man back to him as in the day of Adam and Eve; for by Adam came death and by Jesus is all made alive in Christ. 1COINTHIANS 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. I am glad the blood was shed for a sinner saved by Grace. The Koran cannot save only through the the blood of the Lamb is one made clean. Be blessed. Ps. Read ACTS 19:19 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.



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Your Namegrgry

posted September 8, 2010 at 5:06 pm


Amazing that sooo many are condemning the Koran burnings, Christians at that, but remain extremely tolerant of “so called” radical Muslems. Why not just acknowledge what really is going on here is a massive stampede by fearful cowards, conservative and liberals alike, whose strength only comes when they have company. No matter how distasteful the pastors actions may be, I commend him and his brave flock for forging ahead on Saturday. That duplicitous dope Bloomberg decries the burning as distasteful yet he is totally at ease with the mosque in NYC, incomprehensibly not declaring it distasteful. An x wall st aficionado whose blood runs cold. The more I hear and read the cowardly comments I am tempted to purchase a dozen or so of this book loaded with hatred for the infidel and burn them at “burn safe” piece of PUBLIC property. Its time for this country come together and administer a mighty smack down of these fanatics who embrace death without regard to who, as opposed to the civilized embracing life. And as for FOX, where is the” fair and balanced” reporting by the anchors as well as a yea/nay poll???



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A human being

posted September 8, 2010 at 6:15 pm


People of faith somehow always end up having issues with one another. Somehow they forget that everyone is born and raised differently. They’re raised on different beliefs and I bet, nobody has changed his birth religion. Who knows, maybe if they were born and raised at different times and places, they themselves would be of different faiths.
Anyway, what will burning the Koran do? Will it bring back the 9/11 lost lives? Will it make our future safer? Will it make a brighter future for our children? Will it improve our economy? Will it lower our taxes? Bet the answer is no to all … It’s easy to hate and just dwell in negative energy… It’s easy to blame Muslims, and say they’re the reason for all the US and world problems, but again what will burning the Koran do to this problem? It won’t be erased for sure, you’re only adding fuel to the fire.
Again, we live in the 21st century, where human beings should know their own species. We have the same structure, different shapes and colors, but we are human beings before we became Christians, Jews or Muslims, or even atheists or people of other religions. So stop dwelling in the past, stop hating, nobody says you should love somebody, but respect other people’s beliefs. If you as a human being just think of hurting others even symbolically, what makes you a better person… Don’t blame but yourself for the consequences, you’re just inviting more hatred and trouble, while not addressing what the people really need from you as a pastor, unless you want to be famous and have your name on TV then you really have issues … Wake up people, we’re in 2010. ..



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dragon glade

posted September 8, 2010 at 6:32 pm


Amen



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gphx

posted September 8, 2010 at 6:47 pm


Oh, well, if Angelina Jolie is against it that’s obviously the final word…



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John

posted September 8, 2010 at 7:14 pm


I think it would be very helpful for anyone who has bought into the belief of a “peaceful Islam” to first view a film called “Islam, what the west needs to know”. In it you hear from historians as well as a former member of the P.L.O. who converted to Christianity. Mohammad himself personally cut the heads off 700 – 900 Jews in what is called “The Battle of the Trench” that took place in Medina. Also, when he was 54 years old, he married a 9 year old girl. In both the Koran and the Hadeths, it states that she brought her toys to the honeymoon night. The Koran even gives guide lines for marrying a prepubescent girls. But in the “Verses of the Sword”, Mohammad states that both Jews and Christians should be killed. If they want JIHAD, let’s give to them.



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nnmns

posted September 8, 2010 at 9:24 pm


“If they want JIHAD, let’s give to them.”
Almost all of them don’t. If they did we’d all know it by now.
You sound like you’ve got a hormonal problem. Please keep it to yourself.



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MH

posted September 8, 2010 at 9:25 pm


Here’s something I don’t get about the Koran burning. Aren’t Christians supposed to treat their neighbors as they would want to be treated? I can’t imagine this pastor would want to see the Bible burned, so how does he square burning the Koran? How would he feel about Muslims burning it on 12/25?
As a heathen I could burn any religious book because I venerate none of them. But that also takes away my motivation to want to burn any of them.



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Alicia

posted September 8, 2010 at 10:56 pm


Here are some ironies – The Rev. Terry Jones’s church is called the “Dove World Outreach Centre.” Imagine a church that uses a traditional symbol of the Holy Spirit and peace taking an action that is designed to foment inter-religious conflict, if not all out war? Jones and his associate pastor are currently toting guns, “for self-defense.” Turning the other cheek much, gentlemen?
John, I suggest visiting the link below and reading the excellent article by Leon Wieseltier. As he points out, Islam is both a religion of peace and war.
The planned Quran-burning is an appalling idea, an act of deliberate provocation and disrespect, but I do believe that it is also protected speech under our constitution, however appalling it may be. As Christopher Hitchens says, there is no right or entitlement never to be offended by someone else’s beliefs or speech, and there is no excuse for a violent response to a perceived or actual insult. But, I wish Jones would listen to the wisdom of those who urge him to cancel his plans.
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/magazine/77381/leon-wieseltier-mosque-notes?passthru=MzZhYmRjMTgwNDI5NmRhNzcxZDI5MTViNzU4ZjQzOTk



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Ray

posted September 9, 2010 at 6:48 am


Abolish religion and government and theire will be peace in the vally and prospewrity.



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Old fart

posted September 9, 2010 at 6:50 am


Abolish religion and government and their will be peace and prosperity in the valley.



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diane

posted September 9, 2010 at 11:06 am


I wonder if the Quran burners have even met a person of Islamic faith, ever visited mosque or eaten at a restaurant where they prepare thier food. I have, I live near a city that is largey Arabic, and most of the folks are wonderful, kind sincere and spiritual people. I am Catholic. My God taught me not to hate. Heaven help us with all this insanity.



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Reverend Barbara Sexton

posted September 9, 2010 at 11:35 am


Every person commenting on the NYC Ground Zero Cordoba Mosque ought to familiarize themselves with the tenets of Islam…most especially with what is known as ‘TAQIYYA’.
More importantly, ASK YOUR MUSLIM FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES about TAQIYYA–after you’ve done your own direct research, of course.
You can start here if you’d like: http://dearoneshealingministry.blogspot.com/2010/09/nyc-cordoba-mosque-built-on-taqiyya-by.html
“I SAY, NOT ‘GOD DAMN AMERICA’, BUT GOD BLESS AMERICA”
In the Truth of Christ,
Rev. Barbara Sexton
“The Biblical Biochemist-Where Science Meets the Cross”
http://www.DearOnesHealingMinistry.blogspot.com



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Alicia

posted September 9, 2010 at 11:53 am


The Reverend Barbara Sexton said:
Every person commenting on the NYC Ground Zero Cordoba Mosque ought to familiarize themselves with the tenets of Islam…most especially with what is known as ‘TAQIYYA’.
Pastor Sexton, I’ve pasted the Wikipedia definition below. It sounds like a rational practice, although some uses may not be quite as kosher. Believe it or not, many people other than yourself have read fairly extensively about Islam without coming to the same conclusions as you about the religion.
To really learn about one of the world’s great religions would take a lifetime. I suggest reading some people with views other than the Robert Spencer-type propagandists (which I have read). Personally, I prefer Irshad Manji’s book, “The Trouble With Islam Today.” Manji is a gay woman Muslim journalist who is reviving the practice of “ijtihad.” Wikipedia definition below, but the shorter definition is “the process of thinking for oneself.”
From Wikipedia:
“Taqiya is the Islamic practice of precautionary dissimulation whereby believers may conceal their Muslim faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion.[1] The term taqiyya (????) (pronounced as tagiyeh by speakers of Iranian Persian; alternate spelling taqiya) is derived from the Arabic triliteral root waw-qaf-ya, denoting “piety, devotion, uprightness, and godliness.””
“Ijtihad (Arabic: ???????, ’i?tih?d) is a technical term of Islamic law that describes the process of making a legal decision by independent interpretation of the legal sources, the Qur’an and the Sunnah. The opposite of ijtihad is taqlid, Arabic for “imitation”.
Generally, a Mujtahid (Arabic: ??????, ’mu?tahid) is an educated Muslim who makes up his own ruling on the permissibility of an Islamic law but only for himself,[1] by rejecting the authority of the Ulema.”



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Joe Gonzalez

posted September 9, 2010 at 1:03 pm


Crazy, how religious feasts, which are supposed to be part of the cultual, ritual aspect of religion, in other words, an ‘ established’ form of showing God how much we love Him, can turn into overt acts that belie the feast. Many a time, God in the Old Testament, through the prophets, would tell Israel : ” Your sabbaths bore me, they are abhorrent to me…” And the sabbath is the Jewish yearly – weekly – covenant feast par excellence. We get the party together to say, ” God, we love You…”, and then go at each others throats because we love Him in different ways ( Mine is true, yours is false ) or because we can’t get the festival ” just right ” like a heavily stricken victim of OCD. I think in Micah, one of the OT prophets, it says : ” Man, you know what is required of you, to practice justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God…” that’s all ! And the rest, like the religious like to say, is just commentary and humbug.



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Henrietta22

posted September 9, 2010 at 1:13 pm


After a life-time of living in close contact with my Christians and friends, Jewish, I can honestly say the Jews have it down more sincerely in how they relate to any and all people. They have definitely shown mercy and have walked humbly with God.



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twinsalatrees

posted September 9, 2010 at 3:55 pm


i dont believe this….. what next (no offence) are the muslims gonna wanna to burn the bible or the tulmud. my god what a sad country we live in this is really pathetic i think. this is so wrong i wish all of the people in our country would stop fighting and burning religious items. as my mom would say “now children lets all get along and behave nicly”



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Questioner

posted September 10, 2010 at 3:14 pm


If Islam is indeed the “Religion of Peace” then why will the burning of Korans endanger any non-Muslims? Can anyone answer this?



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nnmns

posted September 11, 2010 at 12:05 am


Yes. Easy. I don’t know if it’s really “the Religion of Peace”, but if it were obviously not all Muslims get the message any more than all Christians get Christ’s purported message to love your neighbor as yourself.



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Reverend Barbara Sexton

posted September 12, 2010 at 11:38 am


Alicia said, “Personally, I prefer Irshad Manji’s book, “The Trouble With Islam Today.” Manji is a gay woman Muslim journalist who is reviving the practice of “ijtihad.”
Alicia: There ARE no ‘gay woman Muslims’. Lesbianism and male homosexuality are totally forbidden and harshly condemned by both the Quran and Hadith–you know that.
Blessings,
Rev. Barb
http://dearoneshealingministry.blogspot.com/2010/09/fcc-stamford-hosting-those-who-harbor.html



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Nicole Neroulias

posted September 12, 2010 at 12:34 pm


Rev. Barb — isn’t that a bit like saying there are no gay Catholics, evangelical Christians, Orthodox Jews, etc.?



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Reverend Barbara Sexton

posted September 14, 2010 at 10:15 pm


“Rev. Barb — isn’t that a bit like saying there are no gay Catholics, evangelical Christians, Orthodox Jews, etc.?” Nicole Neroulias said.
You are ONE SMART COOKIE, Nicole. Of COURSE there are gays of ALL religions and among atheists and agnostics, too. I was being FACETIOUS and reminding all that the edicts against ‘homosexuality’ in Islam and the Quran are MANY and HARSH.
As a biochemist who has studied the SCIENCE of ‘homosexuality’, I know that the BIGGEST sex organ we have is our BRAIN. And I know that the brains of fetuses are either ‘masculinized or feminized’ before birth…and then again after birth at puberty. Of course, our sex organs are exposed to these same hormones, as well.
We must also take environmental influences (i.e. antibiotics which act as ‘ESTROGENS’, both those from our health care providers as well those in the meats some of us eat, for example)into consideration.
I am comfortable saying that people are born with ‘one sexual inclination or another or sometimes–both or something in-between’. What we DO with our amazing brains and sexuality is what matters in the eyes of God. Speaking of eyes, the variations of human sexuality are as diverse as all the eye colors humans ever displayed.
Our Creator made us the way we are so that we can have an opportunity to ‘have at it’ with our ‘free will’.
Islam beats the band when it comes to condemning homosexuality in a way I simply cannot abide by. (Conversely, I’ve no stomach for ‘ACT UP IN YOUR FACE’ GAY POLITICS.)
Especially distressing to me is seeing lesbian Christian women uplifting and upholding Sharia Law Islam which dictates what a woman may wear, do, believe and think. To my way of thinking, this is a ‘human rights’ violation of the tenth degree and I do not understand it.
God help me if I can’t stand up for my gay family members and other LGBT love ones.
With Love in Christ,
Rev. Barb



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jen

posted September 15, 2010 at 2:29 pm


um wow lets just leave the gay peoples alone and not talk about them like we know who they are personaly and how they fell or what there religion is



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Reverend Barbara Sexton

posted September 15, 2010 at 8:45 pm


September 15, 2010 2:29 PM
“um wow lets just leave the gay peoples alone and not talk about them like we know who they are personaly and how they fell or what there religion is’, said Jen (sic)
Jen-The day that gays stop using churches to press their selfish, disingenuous points in a most intolerant way, is the day I will stop discussing them. Get an education girl-you need it and Heaven knows the ‘resources’ are out there for you! All you know about my life is what you read on the internet.
May God Bless You,
Rev. Barb



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