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Why Do People Still Think President Obama Is Muslim?

posted by Nicole Neroulias

Updated: Check out what else applies to 1 in 5 Americans, over at my Huffington Post column.

I thought I was just being a little snarky in my last post about Park51 (the not at Ground Zero, not a mosque proposal ) when I noted that since some Americans still insist that President Obama is some kind of secret Muslim, he should have just stayed out of that particular debate.

Well, sadly, it turns out that this joke is actually making headlines all over again:

I know it’s still summer re-run season, but sheesh. Didn’t we already cover this in 2008? How ridiculous — not to mention, irrelevant and distracting, given the real challenges we face right now — can we get? In today’s 24-hour news cycle and webstalking world, there would certainly be more evidence amassed against a secret-Muslim head of state by now than being born with a funny-sounding name. (His absentee father was a Kenyan Muslim-turned-atheist; whatever young Barry was described as during his early childhood in Muslim-majority Indonesia, it would not have been a decision he actively made.) Obama has been a churchgoing, Bible-spouting Christian for decades, yet as USA Today religion reporter Cathy Lynn Grossman writes:

But it appears that short of enrolling in a Protestant seminary, there may not be many more back flips Obama could do to prove he’s as Christian as he says.

I suspect that this, along with much of the inflammatory rhetoric going on about the “Ground Zero Mosque,” is conveniently happening now because it’s a contentious election year, in which Republicans and Tea Party candidates are fighting hard to bring down this president’s party. Too bad that all this comes at the expense of covering real problems, like the Gulf of Mexico oil spill cleanup efforts, the devastating floods in Pakistan, the slow earthquake recovery process in Haiti, our troops risking their lives in the Middle East and Afghanistan, Mexico’s drug warimmigration reform, the American economy

In addition to this current Time blog post, Barack Obama Is Not A Muslim, here are two Beliefnet links to the original coverage of this issue, back in 2008. Oldies, but apparently still goodies:

Maybe Vice President Joe Biden will take one for the team and make some kind of dreadful gaffe to get this out of the headlines before November. Or, more likely, we’ll just go back to fighting over gay marriage by then.

What do you think? Share your thoughts in the Comments section below.

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Douglas MacNeill

posted August 19, 2010 at 11:43 am


Some people can’t get over a middle name like Hussein, even though both of President Obama’s given names mean “blessed” (Barak from Hebrew, Hussein from Arabic).



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Kurt Cecil

posted August 19, 2010 at 1:08 pm


President Obama does not act like a Christian, that’s why people don’t think he’s a Christian. His support for homosexual marriage and abortion on demand are two issues that no “Bible as the unerrant Word of God” Christian can support. Since he doesn’t go to church, rarely talks about his faith, and his policy positions are that of the secular left, I find it more surprising that anyone would believe he is Christian.



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churchmouse

posted August 19, 2010 at 1:33 pm


Kurt you are right, his actions and voting record does not show Christ like views.
Take his stance on abortion. No Christian can be for abortion as there is no case scripturally where God condones it. God created life in the womb and it is His. Obamas comments about abortion being legal so that his daughters would have a choice…should they need one…is simply not Christian. Of course no one can judge someones heart BUT…if they claim to be a Christian we as Christians have every right to judge his words and actions.
His stance on sex outside marriage and homosexuality are another issue where he does not show that he would be Christian.
He made a slip in an interview where he said….”My Muslim faith,” that says it all for me. Of course he had again to do damage control on that one…but it speaks for itself in my book.
He surrounds himself with people who are not Christian, as you said he does not go to Church, and he obviously does not take the Great Commission seriously. That was not a suggestion from Christ, it was a direct command.



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Paul

posted August 19, 2010 at 2:01 pm


He was born of Muslim parents – he has to be a Muslim of some one in his family would have killed him.



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Alicia

posted August 19, 2010 at 2:08 pm


Kurt, Barack Obama is in favor of civil unions, not of gay marriage. In fact, his stance on gay marriage has been criticized by many in the gay community. I don’t think there is anything “UnChristian” about supporting gay marriage BTW, only “unConservative Christian.”
As for the poll, here is a link to Alex Pareene’s comment in Salon:
http://www.salon.com/news/islam/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2010/08/19/obama_muslim_poll



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Dink

posted August 19, 2010 at 2:21 pm


I too am surprised Oilbama is thought to be a Christian by anyone other than the far left who defend his actions. Of course Liberals are easily fooled and hardly understand what a Christian really is.



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Thom Hunter

posted August 19, 2010 at 2:32 pm


The Bible makes it clear how we are to be able to tell if someone is a Christian. “By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another” (John 13:35).
If someone claims to be a Christian, we have no right to say otherwise. It is a shame that it is not more obvious about Obama, but you could say the same about many Christians.
Time will tell. Whether it tells us . . . or is just revealed to him at some point . . . it’s in God’s hands.



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Nicole Neroulias

posted August 19, 2010 at 2:56 pm


Kurt Cecil, churchmouse, etc.: If you’re saying that President Obama isn’t Christian because he is pro-choice and doesn’t attend church every week, I regret to inform you that this means that half — if not more — of America’s Christians aren’t Christian, either.
Perhaps what you mean to say is that President Obama isn’t a good Catholic or evangelical Christian?
Either way, this doesn’t make him Muslim. (Not, as Seinfeld would say, that there is anything wrong with that? Or is there? Check out this new USA Today post about how the “M-word” has become a smear: http://bit.ly/dA96k3)



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jestrfyl

posted August 19, 2010 at 3:03 pm


Is it not ironic that the annoying pop-up on B’net says that God does not have to shout to be heard? It seems that people of this remarkbly uneducated/ignorant opinion have gotten the information from the ALL-SHOUTING NETWORK OF OUTRAGEOUS OPINION ~ FOX “NEWS”.
If anyone had take any time at all to learn anything about Pres. Obama they would learn he is indeed a Christian – simply not same sort as those who make SO MUCH NOISE THEY CANNOT HEAR LET ALONE LISTEN TO ANYONE WHO IS TRYING TO GIVE THEM INFORMATION.
We do not all have to agree. God’s requiements remain the same for everyone – to love justivce, do kindness and walk humble with God. Granted that precious few politicians (or newscasters) can walk humbly – ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SPEND ALL THEIR ENERGY SHOUTING. But I have seen Pres. Obama work hard at justice and kindness, within the bounds we place on the office and the work for which he was elected. That his approach may not match each person’s, many of whom have not been to church since Easter and won’t be back until their kid or grandkid is in the Christmas pagaent, is not significant.
August is the lazy month, and that includes lazy journalism and opinions. EVEN THE FOX”NEWS” PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO STOP SHOUTING SOON, simply so they can find something else to shout about.



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Eric

posted August 19, 2010 at 3:06 pm


Most people have not heard Obama make a direct, unmistakable statement as to what his religion is, which makes them suspicious of him since he’s a politician. Therefore, people are just putting the facts together at face value. For example, if a man’s name is Saul Goldstein and his father was native to Israel, wouldn’t chances be that he’s Jewish? If a man’s name is Adheesh Bajrangbali and his father was native to India, wouldn’t chances be that he’s Hindu? If a man’s name is Palden Gyatso and his father was native to Tibet, wouldn’t chances be that he’s a Buddhist? Etc, etc, etc.



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Alicia

posted August 19, 2010 at 3:12 pm


Great post, jestrfyl. I suspect that Barack Obama doesn’t talk much about his religion because:
a.) He considers it a private matter. Which used to be fairly standard in this country prior to today’s standards of letting it all hang out, all the time.
(or)
b.) He is not that religious and is too polite (and too good of a politician) to say so.



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Nicole Neroulias

posted August 19, 2010 at 3:21 pm


Eric, a simple Google search will find many examples of President Obama professing his Christian faith, both verbally and in writing. Now that this is “news” again, here’s the latest statement:
White House Says Obama is Christian, Prays Daily (AP)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_s_religion_white_house
Also, this is America. You can’t assume anyone’s faith by their name or ethnic heritage. (Just ask Brad A. Greenberg, over at GetReligion.) Not to mention that the Christians at Liberty University and elsewhere were more than happy to embrace Ergun Caner, a former Muslim, as one of their own all these years, despite huge holes in his conversion story — http://blog.beliefnet.com/news/2010/06/caner-sacked-as-seminary-dean.php.



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Rick

posted August 19, 2010 at 4:17 pm


If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its probably duck.



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Appalachian Prof

posted August 19, 2010 at 4:24 pm


He’s been accused, by the same people, of being both too liberal and a secret Muslim.
I think if he’s one of those two things, he really can’t be the other.



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Ann

posted August 19, 2010 at 4:28 pm


When the president, in his words, says that if push comes to shove, he will stand with the Muslims, what are we American’s to think. Check Audacity of Hope. I believe that those of the Muslim faith say that if your father is Muslim, you are Muslim. His father was Muslim. Isn’t this something that we should question? Thank you.



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collapseofamerica

posted August 19, 2010 at 5:09 pm


As the liberals would inphatically state. If anyone does anything that they deem non christian, than you are a hypocrit and God is not real. Given berry sotero`s comments and actions, would the same not apply to him? in other words, the koran tells him to lie. Muhammed is a pedophile and a poligamist. Its documented. So don`t lie. ooops, your supposed too.



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Eric

posted August 19, 2010 at 5:14 pm


Exactly my point, Nicole. 99% of Americans are not political science majors, so they don’t do the research on what Obama’s said or not regarding his religion, as you have. Most people just watch Good Morning America or whatever. Not to mention the fact that some people aren’t going to trust him because he’s guilty of being a politician (me included).
And yes, right again: this is America. But that doesn’t negate the fact that people here (as everywhere) are still conditioned to judge others based on names and ethnic backgrounds, like it or not. I’m not defending it! Believe me: I’m a 3rd generation Swedish-American who is also a Buddhist, so I know what I’m talking about!
I’m not attacking or defending anyone here, including Obama. I’m just trying to lay out some facts about this issue as I see them. I concede that I’m over generalizing; but I’m doing it on purpose: in a small way I’m “illustrating absurdity by being absurd”.
Thanks for writing in, Nicole. Your intelligent viewpoint makes me glad that you’re a part of the discussion :)



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Eric

posted August 19, 2010 at 5:46 pm


oops. Never mind that last sentence… I didn’t realize you were the author of the article. Silly me :)



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YourName

posted August 19, 2010 at 6:12 pm


I wonder why conservatives Americans follow Muslim law?
I think it’s because they like it better than American democracy. From forcing kids to pray to treating women like property, from making war on people of other religions to explaining natural disasters as God’s punishment for sin, it’s difficult to find an Islamic viewpoint that conservatives would not like to make an American law.
The GOP is the American Taliban, basically. This is why they are intent upon applying Islamic law to the President of the US.



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Ron Stephenson

posted August 19, 2010 at 7:14 pm


When Obama was a senator, Kenya was pro America. Yet, when illegal, he went to Kenya and stumped for the opposing party advocating Shiria law. A Christian wouldn’t do that. Check “The Grand Jihad”.



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pagansister

posted August 19, 2010 at 9:32 pm


jestrfyl, VERY WELL SAID! Had to shout to make myself heard over folks who have fallen for the “President Obama isn’t a Christian” nonsense.
My question is: Who cares whether he is a Christian or not? I don’t. I do think that he is Christian, and just doesn’t run about flaunting it. For him it is a private affair.
Love the comments from those that seem to know “what a true Christian would and wouldn’t do”. So nice that all CHRISTIANS fall into a narrow slot, with no deviation.



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Dually

posted August 19, 2010 at 9:36 pm


He follows all the tenets of HIS faith…….



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Erich

posted August 19, 2010 at 9:45 pm


1. Because they’re idiots
2. Because it’s not the 50’s, and publicly calling him the N-word is no longer in vogue.
3. Because foaming at the mouth, and either parroting falsehoods or inventing new ones is easier than reasoned argumentation.
P.S. To folks who’ve thrown out his positions on abortion,etc as being non-Christian (which as others have pointed out don’t make him Muslim), you’re conveniently ignoring the millions of abortion rights, gay rights ,etc supporting people who have their butts in pews on Sunday.
I will await the Scotsman, I know he’s coming.
P.P.S. Obama’s father was raised Muslim but was an atheist (oooh, even worse lol) by the time he met his mother.



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LutheranChik

posted August 19, 2010 at 10:07 pm


I’m a Christian in favor of gay marriage. I’m a Christian in a gay marriage. Go figure.
Why do one in four Americans think the President is a Muslim? Because one in four Americans are post-hole stupid. I think this is just the tip of the ignorance iceberg in the US.



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Walter

posted August 19, 2010 at 10:17 pm


Perhaps they know that he self identifies as a Christian, but they despise his socialist policies and say that they believe he is a muslim just because they know that it will bother people on the left.



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Russ Clark

posted August 20, 2010 at 12:11 am


Miss Neroulias writes, “Obama has been a churchgoing, Bible-spouting Christian for decades…” Are we to believe her or look at Obama’s actions?
While he was in Chicago, he attended the Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s Black Liberation Theology church and praised the hate spewing Reverend Wright for his spiritual guidance. During his time in the US Senate and since taking office as President, he has not joined a church in DC, despite stating his intention to do so before Easter following his inauguration.
Obama’s father was barely around long enough to determine O’s gender
before returning to his “other” wife. Obama was raised by an atheist mother and atheist grandparents. If he is a Christian at all, it’s a Christian of convenience.



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denny johnson

posted August 20, 2010 at 1:27 am


he is a Muslim and is working hard to destroy America……. one day at a time.



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Tommie

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:38 am


Both of Bo’s daddies are Muslim. When Bo went to school in Indonesia he was listed as Muslim and took several years of religious study classes. Also, Islam does not accept apostates. Once Muslim always Muslim. So certainly Bo could be considered a non-practicing Muslim, as well as a Christian.



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Melvin

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:42 am


Because 25% of this country is made up of idiots.



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Paul

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:30 am


I will be short and to the point. If Obama isn’t a Muslim then he sure acts as one! Also why has he spent millions of taxpayers money to keep all his records secret? Obama’s actions gives you the answer!



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Alicia

posted August 20, 2010 at 10:30 am


We all laugh incredulously when people on “the Arab street” in the Middle East say that 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy, and all the Jews were warned to stay away from the World Trade Center on that day. But, this poll shows that people in the U.S. are just as credulous and gullible, and liable to believe any moronic conspiracy theory promoted about Barack Obama, because they are also too gutless to admit they fear him because of his race.
The level of vitriol against the Clintons and against George W. Bush was shameful, but the level of vitriol against Barack Obama has been much worse. Obama derangement syndrome makes Bush derangement syndrome look like weak tea.



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Erich

posted August 20, 2010 at 11:46 am


//While he was in Chicago, he attended the Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s Black Liberation Theology church and praised the hate spewing Reverend Wright for his spiritual guidance//
The Christian church, right? And dropped the good Reverned like a bad habit after the hate-spewing. But no credit for that right ?
//During his time in the US Senate and since taking office as President, he has not joined a church in DC, despite stating his intention to do so before Easter following his inauguration.//
And that makes him Muslim ?
//bama was raised by an atheist mother and atheist grandparents. If he is a Christian at all, it’s a Christian of convenience.//
And that makes him Muslim ?
//Also why has he spent millions of taxpayers money to keep all his records secret?//
Of course you have something to back that up?



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churchmouse

posted August 20, 2010 at 12:25 pm


LutheranChik you said,
“I’m a Christian in favor of gay marriage. I’m a Christian in a gay marriage. Go figure.”
Could you please cite Christian scripture from the Word that says what you are doing is condoned by God. Does your church also say adultry is ok?
“Why do one in four Americans think the President is a Muslim? Because one in four Americans are post-hole stupid. I think this is just the tip of the ignorance iceberg in the US”
What is ignorant is to ignore what God says and act on what you believe is right rather than what you know He says is right. As for Obama……he said it himself….MY MUSLIM FAITH.



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Robert C

posted August 20, 2010 at 12:44 pm


No one really knows what is in anyone’s heart until they show you. Unfortunately, on this question, Mr. Obama remains difficult to define. But isn’t that part of his basic personality? He is a natural chameleon, which is what has helped him become an effective politician. If the question still persists, then Obama himself has allowed it to persist. There is no issue on either being a christian or a Muslim and being American or running for elective office. The issue is whether, through convenience, he lied, or by taking advantage of what image was in his best interest at the moment, he created a false persona in order to be elected and keep on getting elected.
There are many caution lights in Mr. Obama’s past that could legitimately raise questions for many people on the issue. Some would say that a convert to any faith would adopt or change a name to indicate that conversion. Some would also say that living in Indonesia, being enrolled in a school as a Muslim registree, taking ones first international trip to a Muslim nation like Pakistan all contribute to the open questions on the topic. As others, many mentioned here, such as failure to become a member of an established church in DC, or a pointless trip to Kenya also raise questions. His actions in the past, and his continued actions continue to create a veil of confusion. I prefer not to malign the citizens who find these irregularities perplexing, nor do I think the issue is one that the nation should remain embroiled over. However the burden of demonstrating the truth, which becomes exponentially greater when its the president, and the fact of whether he has been truthfull lies with Mr. Obama.



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Alicia

posted August 20, 2010 at 1:52 pm


I don’t know – was Mr. Spock a Muslim? The person Barack Obama most resembles is Mr. Spock in his calm and rationality (and his seeming inability to understand emotions, at times) and we all know that Leonard Nimoy borrowed the “Live Long and Prosper” Vulcan salute from something he saw the rabbis do at temple. So perhaps Barack Obama is actually a Jewish Vulcan? It makes about as much sense as calling him a Muslim.



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Alicia

posted August 20, 2010 at 2:01 pm


And, reportedly, when Barack Obama met Leonard Nimoy at a fundraiser during the 2008 election, he gave him the Vulcan salute. Hmmmmm…..



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Robert C

posted August 20, 2010 at 2:31 pm


Last time I looked Mr. Spock wasn’t president of the United States. More importantly if the present occupant of the oval office cannot dispell the confusion by word or deed, then he might as well be from another planet. As far as Obama resembling Spock. Well it’s just as apt to liken him to Mr. Gumby.



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Eric

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:27 pm


No way. Mr. Spock was obviously a Buddhist :)



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Robert C

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:47 pm


Actually, Vulcan theology is very specific and more akin to a cross bewteen the Roman pantheon & Hinduism.
( ps what is going on with these captchas? Between the sanskritt captchas and the cpu killing pop up ads you would think Belief Net was sold to the Chinese )



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Jack West

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:35 pm


FYI: the sign Leonard Nimoy saw the Rabbis make was the Hebrew letter Sheen which resembles a “W” and requires the use of both hands raised over the head. The Vulcan salute was him using 1/2 of that with one hand aimed at the person getting the blessing: “Live long and prosper.”



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nnmns

posted August 20, 2010 at 9:13 pm


“Between the sanskritt captchas and the cpu killing pop up ads you would think Belief Net was sold to the Chinese.”
I believe it was sold to Rupert Murdoch. I hate what he’s done to America with Fox Noise but am glad we still have a free soapbox here.
If a fourth of the country is wrong about a basic fact what responsibility falls on the mainstream media? They certainly fell down badly when the Republicans were selling us on the illegal and self-mutilating invasion of Iraq. But here’s a much clearer case.



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Andy N.

posted August 20, 2010 at 9:22 pm


The questions I have is how old was Obama and how many years did he spend in Indonesia and if he attended schools in Indonesia do the schools there include religious intruction as part of the curriculum?



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nnmns

posted August 20, 2010 at 10:50 pm


“The questions I have is how old was Obama and how many years did he spend in Indonesia and if he attended schools in Indonesia do the schools there include religious intruction as part of the curriculum?”
According to his Wikipedia article he was born in Hawaii (a US state, as some seem to have forgotten) in ’61 and moved to Indonesia with his parents when he was six, living there till he was ten when he returned to Hawaii. He attended a “public school” and St. Francis of Assisi school. ( I’m guessing at least the latter included religious instruction, but if he’d become a Muslim it’s hard to believe he’d have gone to a Catholic school.) During those years he and his mother were living with his father-in-law, Lolo Soetoro, described by his neighbors as “free thinking and not a devout Muslim”. I trust you feel better now.



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Rob the Rev

posted August 21, 2010 at 12:43 am


Keith Olbermann on his MSNBC Countdown program had two segments tonight that certainly zeroed in on this question.
Extreme views: CNN books Franklin Graham
Author Michael Eric Dyson addresses the almost trusted network’s decision to turn a man who was disinvited from the Pentagon’s National Day of Prayer to analyze the public’s reaction to the latest polls on the president’s religious background.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/38793108#38793108
Secret Muslim? A look into Obama’s past
In response to Franklin Graham’s uncertainty, a special Countdown investigation reveals not only the proof of the presidents true religion, but the long-term plan to conceal that faith, a plan he first put in motion when he was just 2-years-old.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/38793172#38793172



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Robert C

posted August 21, 2010 at 12:58 am


I believe that the registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta , Indonesia , shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. Name: Barry Soetoro Religion: Islam Nationality. Research the document.



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nnmns

posted August 21, 2010 at 7:55 am


Stephen Prothero shows Franklin Graham’s comments to be the self-serving lies they are here. Graham is apparently just another jerk who’s willing to push the Republican line for money or a little power.



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Robert C

posted August 21, 2010 at 11:20 am


Steven Prothero leans ( nee swaggers ) decidedly to the liberal side. There are more knowledgeable theology profs at BC in my opinion. And a better read than Prothero’s book is ‘Toward a True Kinship of Faiths: How the World’s Religions Can Come Together’ by the Dalai Lama. But then again Prothero likes to disagree with his Holiness more ofetn than not and refers to him as a “dangerous man”. If I cannot accept his read on a figure as pertinent to his field of study as His Holiness, I certainly don’t accept his read on this issue. Besides Obama fans the flames of this controversy himself, or why else would he spend time having dinner with Louis Farrakhan at his home in Chicago? Strange at the very least.



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pagansister

posted August 21, 2010 at 7:42 pm


What did PT Barnum say” There’s a sucker born every minute.” That would describe those that truly believe President Obama is a Muslim. But I ask again, so what if he was?????



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nnmns

posted August 21, 2010 at 8:04 pm


It’s amazing, Robert, that when I Google “obama farrakhan dinner” I get no news sources reporting it. Apparently some truth hater named Geller posted your lie and you believed it. You are a very gullible man Robert.



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Poppa G

posted August 22, 2010 at 2:07 am


This issue is simple for the President to put to rest:
Produce a baptismal certificate, or at least indicate when, where, and by whom he was baptized a Christian.



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Rob the Rev

posted August 22, 2010 at 12:11 pm


President Obama has no obligation to produce a baptismal certificate. The Constitution of the United States forbids any religious test. His faith community is nobodies business!
A quote from Article XI of the Treaty of Tripoli, negotiated with a Muslim nation by the George Washington Administration and passed by the United States Senate in 1797.
“THE UNITED STATES IS IN NO SENSE FOUNDED UPON THE CHRISTAIN DOCTRINE.”



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Your Name

posted August 22, 2010 at 12:13 pm


Robert C – One of Your Holiasses, err Holinesses, signed a treaty with Adolph Hitlar



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Robert C

posted August 22, 2010 at 5:19 pm


Comment in return to the anonymous piglet….get a life.
As far as NNMNS’ comment. Not my story. And Pamela Geller wasn’t the only one to report the story. The altercation happened with the white house press pool and the secret service. Matter of record. link
http://www.examiner.com/homeland-security-in-national/obama-reported-to-have-broken-bread-with-jew-hater-louis-farrakhan-the-head-of-the-nation-of-islam
However, the event was eyewitnessed in chicago and also reported by the gay guys at Hillbuzz.
The event doesn’t say he is muslim. However it does display a rather naive and simplistic approach to putting the issue to rest effectively. I don’t believe or care if Obama is a practicing muslim. I care that he is incapable of being effective in his position. This issue is simply another example that indicates he probably ran well before his time.



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nnmns

posted August 22, 2010 at 7:19 pm


Robert, what you didn’t read, and what explains why this wasn’t big news, or in fact any news, is that the Obamas were visiting across the street from Farrakhan’s house. From a response to what you cited, at that site:
You just MIGHT want to check a legitimate news source before sticking your foot in your mouth – like a hometown Chicago newspoaper that actually knows the turf.
(I know y’all hate the MSM – but they do tend to do more FACT-CHECKING.)
Seems Obama was ACROSS THE STREET – not visiting Farrakhan:
blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/05/obama_secret_service_agents_in.html
Just a few blocks from Obama’s home in the Kenwood/Hyde Park neighborhood, Obama’s friend Marty Nesbitt lives across the street from the ornate yellow-gold home where Farrakhan lives.
For the past two years, when Obama has brought his family over to Nesbitt’s home, the press pool bus parks near Farrakhan’s house. This usually does not cause a problem, but Saturday night — as most of the city was indoors watching the Chicago Blackhawks beat the Philadelphia Flyers in the Stanley Cup finals — a bit of tension emerged on Woodlawn Avenue.

I guess the sources you like to check for “news” don’t bother with fact checking.



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churchmouse

posted August 22, 2010 at 9:04 pm


Rob the Reb said, “His faith community is nobodies business!.”
Oh yes it is. He is representing us and as representative he should be a man of his word. If you are a public servant your life is everyone’s business, especially if you are high up in government. He made his faith an issue when he was running. And the things he claims as being the truth, we have every right to question especially if he is doing things that are against the law. He made his life public business when HE WROTE TWO BOOKS ABOUT HIMSELF, that was his only accomplishment if you could even call it that. He certainly was not qualified. In these books he talks a lot about his religious upbringing. It was part of the plan to run for President. He had to brainwash the public about who is really is.
“What did PT Barnum say” There’s a sucker born every minute.” That would describe those that truly believe President Obama is a Muslim. But I ask again, so what if he was?????”
And the suckers in this case are the sheeple who have fallen for his lies. And those lies and his motives are all coming out in the open. His poll numbers have dropped drastically and his Camelot…is in jeopardy.
About Franklin Graham…biased articles all written by people who hate Christians. And what do college professors know about religions except what they read in books? I got news for him, Christianity is all about the relationship one has with Christ. It’s not about book knowledge but heart knowledge. We all know the take academia has on people who have faith in God. Most of them call themselves atheists…so it would come as no surprise that Prothero would say what he does.
You talk about disinformation…that word goes hand in hand with Obama. He is the master deceiver, manipulator.
Prothero asks………”Why are we listening to Franklin Graham?”
Why listen to the so called moderates of the Islamic religion? And what does moderate mean anyway? Are Muslims in the United States moderates and all those in the Middle East radicals…because they are living very differently here than they are there. The Mosque is a shrine for Allah…they do everything for Allah. And not too long ago on 9-11 there were MILLIONS of people shown cheering our destruction as we were attacked. Where these Muslims moderate? Yea right……..It’s all for Allah……forcing people to worship and worldwide domination for ALLAH.
He asked….”We should be listening to Muslims about their tradition.”
And what traditions would this be?
Beheadings? Honor killings? Sharia law? How much wiggle room do we give a religion that says kill the unbeliever?
This professor has his head in the Saudi Arabia sand. I think he should go teach in one of their universities although if he values free speech and freedom of religion……he won’t get it there.



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Robert C

posted August 22, 2010 at 9:11 pm


LOL You don’t think that paltoy Nesbitt wasn’t going to cover do you? He’s shilled for Obama for years. Better question. Why didn’t the secret service ‘arrest’ the Farrakhan security forces that were obviously threatening?
PS where would you suggest doing the ‘fact checking’? Off the Journolist?



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Charles Thomas

posted August 23, 2010 at 3:11 am


Considering the current political climate,it wouldn’t suprise me at all if some theocratic nut on the right proposed a law requiring that all citizens carry baptismal certificates to prove they aren’t Muslim.
Poppa G thinks president Obama should provide a baptismal certificate to prove he isn’t Muslim for the same reason citizens of Nazi Germany had to provide baptismal certificates to prove they weren’t jewish.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted August 23, 2010 at 3:20 pm


Why Do People Still Think President Obama Is Muslim?
Because the vast majority of the American public are stoopid, gullible fools led by liars and haters.
That’s why. Thanx 4 askin’.



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Conserned

posted August 23, 2010 at 7:11 pm


He ran on a Christian platform, yet his actions do not reflect that. Muslims want to destroy the American way of life, motto is to kill steal and destroy the enemy. If liberals think that Christians are intolerant they really need to think again. Yes we have seen professed Christians that do the same, but that is not what our Bible teaches, the Koran teaches to kill Jews and Christians. The children are indoctrinated with little hate songs, yes I am a Christian parent and yes I do teach Bible to my children, but no hate lessons to teach. If those of you who want to beat me down would take time to listen to some Muslim converts, your would see clearly why we are so opposed to having a Muslim president, and why we believe he is a Muslim. The Koran also clearly teaches that it is okay to lie to forward the cause. Our Bible clearly contradicts that. One thing he will not do is stand up and denounce the Muslim faith or even just stand up and say clearly that he is a Christian. Yes we get worked up over the issue and we YELL the truth out not because we are haters but because we love America, we enjoy our freedom of religion, and we would like to maintain that freedom and many others that the Muslim world do not enjoy.



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Charles Thomas

posted August 23, 2010 at 8:38 pm


Why Do People Still Think President Obama Is Muslim?
Shouldn’t the question be: Why do people still FEEL or BELIEVE that president Obama is Muslim?
Many if not most Americans don’t think at all.
They are either relativists or religionists,intellectually crippled by the notion that feeling or faith decide the truth.
Reason and facts don’t matter to them.
They don’t care about objective reality.
They adhere to a “faith-based” worldview and accept uncritically anything their religious and political leaders tell them.



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Robert C

posted August 24, 2010 at 12:31 am


Interesting how when people don’t believe what you want them to believe, suddenly they become nuts.



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Charles Thomas

posted August 24, 2010 at 2:26 am


“Yes we get worked up over the issue and we YELL the truth out not because we are haters but because we love America,we enjoy our freedom of religion,and we would like to maintain that freedom and many others that the Muslim world do not enjoy”
Millions of Americans claim to love America and its religious liberty,yet more than 60 percent of them want to deny the right of Muslims to practice thier religion on thier own property.
That’s a rather odd way of expressing love for one of the core principles upon which this country is based.
One cannot logically claim to love religious freedom yet at the same time seek to suppress it.



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Alicia

posted August 24, 2010 at 11:01 am


Thank heavens, Charles, that our founders were a lot smarter than the current leadership of the Republican Party. My father was a lifelong Republican and these jokers would make him lose his lunch.



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Robert C

posted August 24, 2010 at 11:39 am


So Alicia, you think that stupidity is limited to one political party? LOL I can guarentee you, after having worked for the other one in many campaigns, that the ‘stupid’ virus dosn’t discriminate.



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Charles Thomas

posted August 24, 2010 at 1:18 pm


I agree,Alicia.
The Republican Party,which used to espouse the libertarian ideals of individual liberty and small government,has been reduced to a motley crew of neo-conservatives,theocrats,and political opportunists who will do anything for power.



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Alicia

posted August 24, 2010 at 1:59 pm


Heck no, Robert C. The stupidity of the Democratic Party led me to change my registration to Republican (an aspirational registration, purely, because the Republican Party has continued to be worse than the Democrats ever since) Party several years back. But, I agree with Bruce Bartlett, economic adviser to Reagan and George H.W. Bush, that the Republican Party today has become, in his words, the “greedy, sociopathic” party. IMO, truer words were never spoken.



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Robert C

posted August 24, 2010 at 2:15 pm


Yes. so true. But I am afraid you will find no solace returning to the Democratic fold. Since before the last election the DNC was hi-jacked by equally “greedy and sociopathic” hacks bent on theocracy and opportunism ( liked that). They manipulated caucuses and votes and unfortunately ended up destroying that party. That is why I am now a registered independant.



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pagansister

posted August 24, 2010 at 4:19 pm


Robert C. I am also a registered independent. Never had seen a reason to “join” any political party.



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Robert C

posted August 24, 2010 at 6:25 pm


Point for you Pagan. Independant thinkers tend to think more rationally.



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Alicia

posted August 24, 2010 at 10:33 pm


It sounds like you got a good deal closer to Democratic Party politics than I ever did, Robert C. Wish there was a good “Purple” party I could join but my choices are (as yours are) not getting to vote in primary elections, or holding my nose and reregistering as a Democrat.
Both the Dems and Republicans have huge problems, but I have to acknowledge the reality that I have even less faith in the Republicans than I do in the Democrats.



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meg

posted August 25, 2010 at 6:48 pm


This whole debate is ludicrous. Muslim, christian, Wicca, or atheist….this should not matter. When it comes down to it…the ONLY thing that matters is Obama’s ability to serve in his position. Religion is a MOOT point in politics. This country has a clear separation of church and state. We are a country that has freedom OF and freedom FROM religion. PERIOD. A man’s integrity as a person and a leader is not made up by the god he worship’s…but by who he is as a human being and his moral charter. Does the fact that someone worship’s a different god make him incompetent? Does it make him incapable of running a STATE that is separated from ANY CHURCH. GROW UP PEOPLE.



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conserned

posted August 25, 2010 at 7:06 pm


What makes it acceptable to question his faith is that he garnered votes from Christians by claiming to be one. So I guess we could just turn this into an integrety issue.



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conserned

posted August 25, 2010 at 7:27 pm


If it is not on issue to you, why are you reading and posting? If you have disdain for the Christian community then why would you defend a President that claimed to be a Christian. What do you not understand about Christians have no rights in Muslim Nations, and yes their rights are protected here. No beheadings going on here, yet when the Christians become the minority that will no longer be the case. If you do not see things like me – that is okay – your choice, why because we know God gave free choice, that is not the case under Islamic law, the Koran is not in agreement with freedom of religion. You see our God wants to be loved freely, not by force.



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conserned

posted August 25, 2010 at 7:30 pm


I am an Independent!



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John C. Sebolt

posted August 26, 2010 at 10:49 am


Charles Thomas and Alicia, both parties have changed for the worse. Especially the democratic party. The progressives have taken over this party over the years and true Democrats dont even recognize their party anymore. Progressive have perverted what true democrats believe in and have given true democrats a bad name. Progressives are also trying to take over the republican party and are doing a good job of it. The “Democratic” party really doesnt exist anymore. Its really the progressive movement under the guise of democrat. If you do not already know this then you are willfully ignorant.Both of these parties have changed so much over the last 20 years that old fashioned democrats and republicans would not recognize their own parties anymore. Thats another reason why we have the Tea Party. Tea party members are tired of the same ole politics and corruption that continues to go on in the democratic and republican parties. I am retired from the military and laid down my life to protect this great country. I believe that people can practice any “religion” they choose. The concern that most Americans have toward this mosque is not for it’s “religion” or beliefs, its the location of it. If you dont see that, then you are blind and have no common sense and I feel sorry for you two. Again, we all should believe in freedom to practice whatever faith we see fit but at the same time we need to respect all the people that it affects and in this case it is the location of the mosque that has many people concerned. Need I explain it any more clear? It seems as though Obama is siding with the muslims and not the American people.What does that tell us about Obama? This man continues to go against the will of the American people around every bend. WHY? Also why has he not proven his citizenship? It would be very simple to do this.So what is he hiding? This is an impeachable offense and is quite possibly the biggest scam America has ever seen. So go on and keep supporting this monster and before you know it you wont be able to even practice your religion what ever it may be. Pull your head out of the sand and look at what is going on around you, it will terrify you.



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John C. Sebolt

posted August 26, 2010 at 11:19 am


Charles Thomas and Alicia, both parties have changed for the worse. Especially the democratic party. The progressives have taken over this party over the years and true Democrats dont even recognize their party anymore. Progressive have perverted what true democrats believe in and have given true democrats a bad name. Progressives are also trying to take over the republican party and are doing a good job of it. The “Democratic” party really doesnt exist anymore. Its really the progressive movement under the guise of democrat. If you do not already know this then you are willfully ignorant.Both of these parties have changed so much over the last 20 years that old fashioned democrats and republicans would not recognize their own parties anymore. Thats another reason why we have the Tea Party. Tea party members are tired of the same ole politics and corruption that continues to go on in the democratic and republican parties. I am retired from the military and laid down my life to protect this great country. I believe that people can practice any “religion” they choose. The concern that most Americans have toward this mosque is not for it’s “religion” or beliefs, its the location of it. If you dont see that, then you are blind and have no common sense and I feel sorry for you two. Again, we all should believe in freedom to practice whatever faith we see fit but at the same time we need to respect all the people that it affects and in this case it is the location of the mosque that has many people concerned. Need I explain it any more clear? It seems as though Obama is siding with the muslims and not the American people.What does that tell us about Obama? This man continues to go against the will of the American people around every bend. WHY? Also why has he not proven his citizenship? It would be very simple to do this.So what is he hiding? This is an impeachable offense and is quite possibly the biggest scam America has ever seen. So go on and keep supporting this monster and before you know it you wont be able to even practice your religion what ever it may be. Pull your head out of the sand and look at what is going on around you, it will terrify you.



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John C. Sebolt

posted August 26, 2010 at 11:44 am


For all of you FOX haters out there, Fox is the only network not in Obama’s pocket. They are the only one out there telling the truth. Dont want the truth? Watch MSNBC or CNN or CBS. Two of the biggest offenders are on MSNBC. Rachel Maddow and Kieth Olberman. These two are so in love with Obama that they are not capable of delivering objective views. MSNBC is the best example of subversion that we can find. They never report anything that goes against the Obama agenda. Want to be left in the dark? Keep watching MSNBC You will be one in 23 people who do watch them. Want to go to the circus? Be lied to? Be played for a fool? Watch MSNBC and be taken for a ride. Want to know the truth? Want to know what is really going on in this country? Do you believe in God and Jesus Christ as your savior? If you answer yes to these questions then I recommend you watch Glenn Beck. He is one of the most honorable person I know. He loves America. He tells us to trust God to pull this country out of the mess that it is in. He believes that God is the answer to our problems and that God is the only way out of this mess. Does Rachel or Keith tell you that? I dont think they know God. They never tell you to believe in Him or to trust Him.They have no honor and it shows. I thank God for one network that tells it like it is. Thank you for FOX news. The only one that isnt run by Obama.



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Your Name

posted August 26, 2010 at 12:02 pm


You’re right that Fox News isn’t run by Obama — but, neither are the other news channels! On the other hand, Fox News IS in bed with the Republican Party:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/17/AR2010081704338.html
And, the company’s second-largest shareholder is Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal — the same guy that the Fox News folks have been accusing of funding terrorism.
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/08/23/tuesdays-primaries-mccains-faustian-bargain-hugging-ted-stevens-tight-and-ben-quayle/?xid=rss-topstories
I’m not even going to dignify your Glenn Beck defense here.
Either way, none of this nonsense explains why we have to question our Commander in Chief’s faith, or why it even matters. Oh yeah, it’s an election year and it makes a right-wing talking point that will rally the evangelical masses, especially since his (CHRISTIAN) minister hasn’t made headlines in a while.



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Charles Thomas

posted August 26, 2010 at 8:24 pm


Religious liberty is meaningless if it is contingent the feelings of the majority.
If a Muslim community center near Ground Zero is a sacriledge,then why not follow your argument to its logical conclusion.
Just construct a fence around the area you considering sacred,and prohibit any person of the Muslim faith from entering.
You might as well.
If an inanimate object like a mosque is offensive,then how much more so is a living pratitioner of Islam?



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John C. Sebolt

posted August 27, 2010 at 12:30 am


To Your Name, George Soros would just love you for saying that. If your name wants to keep your name buried in the sand then that is your name’s choice. Its a free country , so far. As far as the Saudi prince is concerned, prove it. Unlike you, Glenn Beck is able to back up ALL of his comments with fact. If you have ever watched his program, and I doubt that you have, you probably base you comments on what other haters of Glenn have told you, then you have seen the direct phone line Glenn has to the White House. He has this phone for the White House to call him if they ever disagree with him on anything. So far he has not received any calls. Having a president who believes in God is nonsense? Our country is based on God and we need God to help us make the right choices in life and to guide us. I personally want a president who knows God and prays to Him for guidance when it comes to making decisions like sending our troops to war etc. Our money even has printed on it “IN GOD WE TRUST”. Is God a threat to you? He must be a threat to some people since they are trying to keep prayer out of school and God out of the Pledge and the list just keeps growing when wherever God is mentioned and He must be removed. This country has changed and for the worse. There are alot of Christians still here and we will fight to keep God in all things including the oval office. A man who knows God (Jesus Christ) is a more rounded person and when the president has God on his side his choices are better made. If God be for us, then who can be against us? Yes, it IS important for our president to be a Christian, without question. A president who knows God is not bias because he knows all men are created equal. A president who knows God knows that we are a nation of laws and not of men. A president who knows God treats all people with fairness. You cannot go wrong with a president that is spiritually strong because you know that a Christian president will be an honest one and not corrupt. These are just a few reasons why we must have a president who is a Christian.Honor. Hope. Charity. Honesty. Integrity. Obama displays none of these attributes. I do not for a moment believe he is a Christian. If he was then he would not be making the bad decisions that he is currently guilty of. Again, if you want to hear the truth then watch FOX. All others will lead you to the slaughter.



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Monnie

posted August 30, 2010 at 6:14 am


Only a true christian can be fair to others .A true Muslim or Hindu cannot be fair to others beacuse being fair to others is a christian attribute.Go to Saudi and observe if the Muslims there are fair to christians-remember the Kingdom is ruled by a King who is the custodian of sacred places of Islam and considered a devout Muslim.Go to any other Msulim nation and see. People who are willingly ignorant and do not know the real meaning of ‘fair’ argue for political corectness and inclusivenss but they don’t know that they are inviting destruction upon themselves.



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Your Name

posted August 30, 2010 at 12:28 pm


“If liberals think that Christians are intolerant they really need to think again.”
No we don’t. All we have to do is read any of your posts, “conserned”.
You and ck provide all the evidence needed. Repeatedly.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted August 31, 2010 at 2:12 pm


“being fair to others is a christian attribute”
BWAHAHHAHAAA!!!
Actually, monnie, you are simply misinformed. The “do to others as you would be done unto” (= ‘fair’) dictum is the central tenet of all of the worlds 13 major religions.
Speaking of being “willingly ignorant”!



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Grumpy Old Person

posted August 31, 2010 at 2:20 pm


Odd that, during the 2008 electionn, “Christians” disdained Obama because he was a member of the “wrong” “Christian” church. Now, less than 2 years later, the liars and haters don’t even seem to remember Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Like Wright is an imam! Liars and haters, the lot of you.



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Jerome McCollom

posted September 7, 2010 at 1:14 pm


It’s simple. The far Christian rightwing hates Obama (and Democrats in general) and hates Muslims. I am perfectly fine with someone disagreeing with Islam and saying Islam is a wrong ideology and religion, fine. But the opposition against Muslims in general in the U.S. by many on the rightwing is comparable to how Jews experienced a century ago.



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Mike

posted September 17, 2010 at 5:19 pm


Only a true christian can be fair to others?! Are you insanse? The most unfair, closed-minded people in this nation are religious zealots and fanatics. Your way or the highway is the chant I keep hearing. Your tolerance level is almost non-existent and anyone who does not believe as you do is a heathen and will in your opinion suffer an eternity in hell. All because we choose not to believe what you believe. Back up and recognize your own hypocrisy. You are amazingly damaging to this wonderful nation. It’s time for you to realize who the real enemy is. You.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted September 28, 2010 at 12:49 pm


Poppa G,
“Produce a baptismal certificate, or at least indicate when, where, and by whom he was baptized a Christian”
There are some Christian faiths that do not baptize. Unless you consider the Salvation Army not to be Christian, you’re full of
it.



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Jyl

posted April 4, 2011 at 2:46 pm


Well people still don’t believe Hitler was a Christian, but he was.

People will say someone is not a Christian, if they just don’t like that certain Christian.



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Allan

posted June 11, 2011 at 8:57 am


From his own words, I can say that Obama is not a Christian. When he spoke in Cairo, he spoke of “the Bible” and “the Holy Koran”. No Christian would ever put the Koran on a more honorable level than the Bible. Of course I doubt that he is much of a Muslim either. He is just a nothing.



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David

posted August 12, 2012 at 4:42 am


Kurt you are wrong, first off, he does go to church. Perhaps you need to do a little research before you think you know. Secondly he does act like a Christian, simply by refusing to Judge gay people. He simply believes that we should not be in other peoples homes, what they do is for God to Judge and not us. Which he is right, that is by far a great way to prove one is Christian. Thirdly, he is one of those who believes that Religion and Government should not be mixed and because of that you think he’s not a Christian? Puhlease, talk about judgmental issues. Thomas Jefferson was a Deist and Isaac Newton was a Christian, but both of them agreed that a separation between the two was important. Don’t you dare try to twist this as I am a liar or something because everyone knows Isaac Newton was one of the enlightenment members.



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David

posted August 12, 2012 at 4:43 am


Allen, perhaps you need to read Pope John Paul, he on many occasions made speeches explaining the will of the Muslim people to their faith is sometimes stronger than the faith of the Christian people. He often said we should respect their God and honor their ways if we are to truly follow our faith as Christian, then we are not to Judge, but to respect above all else.



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David

posted August 12, 2012 at 4:45 am


Pope John Paul II that is…



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