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Mayor Bloomberg Welcomes Muslims, as NYC Denies Landmark Status to ‘Ground Zero Mosque’ Site

posted by Nicole Neroulias

In a unanimous vote and with Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s blessing, New York City’s landmarks commission has withheld historic protection from the downtown building slated to become Park51, a kind of Muslim-based YMCA. (Recently rebranded from its Cordoba House name, but still better known as the “Ground Zero Mosque,” though the 13-story building is two blocks north of Ground Zero – only two blocks closer than an existing mosque in the neighborhood – and will apparently offer more athletic facilities than prayer spaces.)

Here’s a photo I took last month of retired NYC firefighter Tim Brown, who plans to sue to try to stop the project, in front of the site, formerly a Burlington Coat Factory. (Even without the 9/11 damage, it looks out of place in gentrifying lower Manhattan today.)

ground zero mosque.jpgSome links to the coverage:

The decision comes a few days after the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish organization that usually defends the rights of minority groups, controversially came out against the proposal. Critics of that move include a group of concerned Jews, along with Beliefnet blogger Mark Silk, who said the ADL is now “playing by Israel rules in New York,” and CNN blogger Stephen Prothero, who said the organization has now “lost the moral high ground.”

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beliver

posted August 4, 2010 at 9:36 am


Thats all i think of, and i dont think he would block the mosque-these are my thoughts. republicans, and tea partiers (and some Christians?) are trying to block the construction of Mosques in Ca, NY, and Tenn. Is this what we as Americans are about? Is it freedom of religion for only American Christians? Didnt Americans muslims perish on that sad day, and mourn with their fellow new yorkers and americans thereafter? yet many view them as unamerican, and connect them to terrorists abroad. i find that sad. Christians, do not sucumb to bigotry, or unforgivness [although NY Muslims had no connection to, and were just as much victims on 911], the devil is a lie. He is so deceptive that he will have you thinking that fighting mosque constructions in ca, ny, and tenn. is the “Christian thing to do”. It may feel good, right, but dont let the enemy come in and allow us Christians to fall for this bigotry and compromise our principles, our comandment, to love your neighbor as yourself…..
we only hurt ourselves, and the unsaved because we undermine our message of Jesus’s love. we cant share our love and show that there is something in us, that is different. remember, as we witness, non-believers should see our light, and want that light for themselves-supporting bigotry and division undermines that goal.



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Apuleius Platonicus

posted August 4, 2010 at 10:02 am


In addition to the Ground Zero Mosque, another major project of the Cordoba Initiative is “The Shariah Project.”
According to the Cordoba Institute’s website, the first meeting of the Shariah Project took place in August of 2006 in Kuala Lumpur. Islamic Scholars from Pakistan, Malaysia, Afghanistan and India gathered together with Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.
In Pakistan the Federal Shariat Court has the power to strike down any law deemed “repugnant to Islam.”
In Afghanistan, a federal law passed in 2009 explicitly regulates a woman’s “readiness for sex” and make it a crime for a woman to leave her home without her husband’s permission.
In Malaysia Sharia Courts hand down prison sentences for the crime of apostasy. This is considered lenient, since many Sharia experts insist on the death penalty for anyone who dares to leave the Religion of Peace.
In India the All India Muslim Personal Law Board functions as a separate, parallel legal system based on Sharia Law.



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Alicia

posted August 4, 2010 at 11:57 am


Bloomberg’s statement was an impressive and well-founded defense of religious liberty:
“This nation was founded on the principle that the government must never choose between religions or favor one over another. The World Trade Center site will forever hold a special place in our city, in our hearts. But we would be untrue to the best part of ourselves and who we are as New Yorkers and Americans if we said no to a mosque in lower Manhattan.
We would betray our values and play into our enemies’ hands if we were to treat Muslims differently than anyone else. In fact, to cave to popular sentiment would be to hand a victory to the terrorists, and we should not stand for that,”
Read the whole thing:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/08/quote-3.html#more
On the downside something like 85% of people polled about the mosque on SLATE opposed it. It’s amazing how quickly people throw liberty out the door when fear and anger are involved.



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Joe

posted August 4, 2010 at 12:45 pm


Building a mosque near ground zero is like rubbing salt in an open wound. Why build it there? Because they can! Did Japanese build a temple near Pearl Harbor during WWII? Did Timothy McVeigh clones set up shop near the site of the Murrah building? If they did, it was because they could, too. However, it would be mean-spirted and arrogant to do so. Just because it is legal doesn’t mean it’s always the right thing to do.



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Your Name

posted August 4, 2010 at 1:10 pm


Apu,
Perhaps you could address the topic thread instead of irrelevancies in other countries.
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Joe,
“Why build it there? Because they can!”
No! Because it’s America, the one with actual freedom of religion, not special rights for yours (and your sensibilities).
Timothy McVeigh was raised and confirmed in the Catholic Church. Please don’t presume to tell me Oklahoma CIty doesn’t have Catholic Churches. And, you could also explain why setting up shop as a Catholic Church in downtown OKC couold possibly be conceived as “mean-spirited and arrogant”.
If you’re going to convince anyone, you’re going to have to do better. And that pertains to appealing to the better nature of Americans in general, too.



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Henrietta22

posted August 4, 2010 at 1:38 pm


If Apulius is correct in his comment that Cordova Org. has another project of Sharia, how does that make this group wanting to move into said Bldg. moderate? Seems as though there are starting to be many unanswerd questions collecting to be answered so we aren’t sorry later.



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Joe

posted August 4, 2010 at 1:44 pm


Your Name
You missed my point. It is because we have still are a nation of freedoms that a mosque can be built near ground-zero. Temples can be built near Pearl Harbor. Those who believe like Timothy McVeigh can sell t-shirts near the site of the Murrah building. However, it still doesn’t make it right. I’m only speaking for myself when I say all the above examples are legal but arrogant.



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pagansister

posted August 4, 2010 at 3:10 pm


This is still a country where there is supposed to be freedom to worship as one pleases, and to build that house of worship to accomplish that. The proposed Mosque isn’t ON ground zero. Muslims were killed in the Towers also. There will be much litigation to stop this, etc. so I don’t think anything will be happening for a long time.



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MARTIN S.

posted August 4, 2010 at 3:55 pm


TO BUILD A MOSQUE AT THIS SITE IS
WRONG IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD !!



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ds0490

posted August 4, 2010 at 5:28 pm


It is refreshing to see so many conservatives appealing to the laws of other lands as we address this situation. I trust they will stop whining about our Supreme Court citing other countries’ laws in their decisions.



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Alicia

posted August 4, 2010 at 6:10 pm


You want to know where the money to fund this mosque is coming from? It’s coming from people like me. I just donated $20 to the Cordoba Initiative, because illiberal bullies make me mad, whether they call themselves patriotic Americans or whatever religion or god they claim to worship. Andrew has a link to a way to donate through Paypal on the Daily Dish: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/08/donating-to-the-cordoba-project.html
I encourage anyone who believes in religious freedom, not mob psychology, to donate.



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Will Preston

posted August 4, 2010 at 6:13 pm


imagine if USA citizens – in the name of Christ flew two planes into Mecca, killing thousands then ten years later Saudi Arabia allowed Christians to build a giant church in its place.
If I ever get murdered by islamofascists please don’t let them build a conquest monument where I died.
this is an abomination.



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bernie

posted August 4, 2010 at 6:31 pm


I can’t believe that Bloomberg would be for that.We were attacked by Muslims and now we are welcoming them to build a mosque near ground zero.Is nothing sacred to us anymore?The Japs,the Germans the Viet Cong tortured and killed American prisoners the Muslims attacked the twin towers killing thousands and we just turn our heads and say “oh well” Now we want to prosecute soldiers who used waterboarding and other non lethal interagation tactics to save Americans from terrorists. It makes me SICK



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tommy4usa

posted August 4, 2010 at 6:37 pm


why then was a cross not allowed to be rebuilt after one burned it?
was that cross in Arizona? built by WW1 veterans



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Henrietta22

posted August 4, 2010 at 7:44 pm


tommy4usa, the cross was stolen, not burned. Last time I read about it they were deciding whether to make a new one or put the damaged one back up. I think it was in Nevada.



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R Johnson

posted August 4, 2010 at 9:04 pm


I have to agree with most of the people above.
I am all for religious tolerance but in this case is very
inappropriate, at best.
Somebody had to have gotten paid off.
You can tell that he wasn’t the one in office on 9/11.
These politicians get “screwier” everyday and they simply don’t
care who knows it!



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Barb

posted August 5, 2010 at 6:51 am


This is in such poor taste and such an affront to the victims and their families….we sure do live in a crazy world….we have lost all sense of respect and concern for others….just another example of people in high office making the wrong decision….and it goes on and on….



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Sue

posted August 5, 2010 at 8:28 am


I don’t believe that any religious building or symbol should appear anywhere near ground zero. It would be offensive in the extreme to permit the building of either mosque, church or temple. Those who were murdered there and their loved ones may have been, or be, of any faith whatsoever, or none.



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Apuleius Platonicus

posted August 5, 2010 at 9:56 am


Islam doesn’t need better PR. Islam needs more tolerance and less extremism and terrorism.
Daisy Khan, executive director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement, and wife of Cordoba Initiative founding president Feisal Abdul Rauf, has publicly stated that she believes that Islam has been “hijacked” by extremists.
Think about it. According to the proponents of the Ground Zero Mosque, the religion of Islam has been “hijacked” by those who support acts of terrorism like 9/11. That’s not Newt Gingrich saying this — it’s Daisy Khan.
Therefore we have every reason to know everything, and in great detail, about the Cordoba Initiative, who supports it, where its money comes from, and what its positions are on extremist groups like Hamas, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, etc, as well as what its views are on the imposition of Sharia Law as parallel legal system.
The Cordoba Initiative, however, refuses to disclose the kind of information that would make it possible for us to know wheter or not they are among the hijackers or possibly among the hijacked.



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pagansister

posted August 5, 2010 at 1:58 pm


Someone brought up WWII and Viet Nam and torture. Yes, the countries we fought against tortured our service men and women, and I’m sure that we American’s did the same thing. Not right by any means on either side. So I guess by that logic we should still hate Germans, and the Japanese,(we did put them in camps in the US during the war, but not the Germans…hummmm) and even the Vietnamese, right? Yes, the Muslim extremeists killed Americans and other citizens from other countries in the Twin Towers. Does that mean the we now have to hate and discriminate against everyone who is a Muslim? If so then we should still be hating all Germans, Japanese, and I guess anyone we have fought against in our entire life as a country…Mexico, (Mexican American War), Spain (Spanish American War) and this could go on and on.



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jesus 2.3

posted August 6, 2010 at 12:36 am


Thanx for asking for my thoughts. In reality my thoughts are the truth.
The truth is that we have freedom of religion. In reality we Muslims are taught the same thing. Therefore I see no problem whatsoever.
Some of you complain about where the money is coming from. Why would you worry about that. Do you care where your money comes from, or are you glad you have some so you can survive?
In reality we Muslims are taught to give charitably but to do it anonymously. We do it from our heart, not to gain any recognition.
Do you understand what that means?
It’s not Islam that needs to learn about tolerance. You don’t see Islamic countries forcing their religion on you? The U.S. government is doing that to them. The religion we are selling is democracy.
The truth is that democracy is nothing more than mob rule.
That being said, this Moslem man votes nevertheless. I’ve always voted libertarian because that party is aligned with the truth.
The truth is that we are all just trying to survive. In reality we’re looking for the easiest way to do it. That’s why the government is trying to do everything. Realize that you’ve put them up to it!
In closing, I say build the Mosque, I’d like to pray there. I’m just a Sharp cracker working near Bethlehem. I hope you like my comments, but if you don’t – that won’t change a thing.
Put that ‘hope & change’ in your peace pipe and smoke it!



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robert kunst

posted August 8, 2010 at 4:43 pm


Subject: “SHALOM INTERNATIONAL PROTESTS MOSQUE AT ‘GROUND ZERO’ IN NYC ON 9/5/10
Date: Aug 8, 2010 1:41 AM
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Dear “Chosen” Activists:
Have spoken with NYPD to do a 2P.M. Rally at ‘Ground Zero” Against the Mosque there with explanation below. We’ll know exact location next week. Please plan on being a part of this effort and let your voices be heard. Also, please donate via paypal on http://www.defendjerusalem.net or by check to: “Defend Jerusalem”, P.O.Box 402263, Miami Beach, Fla. 33140 to help us pay for this event.
This is on a Sunday,(day before Labor Day Monday), so no conflict with another rally planned for 9/11, which falls on Shabbos.
Had great reaction with this sign and no negatives, but hundreds of horns beeping support. Also photo above is just one of our rallies inside Century Village in Pembroke Pines, when we had 50 and 6 of these banners. Will renew these rallies after the Jewish holidays when it cools down a bit. It is much too hot for these elderly supporters.
I’m sure those 20 rabbis of ‘tolerance’ for the Mosque and these Islamic Nazis, are also behind dividing Jerusalem as ‘J St.” is also backing this ‘victory mosque’ for these Islamic Nazis they back as well.
If you have a conscience and self-respect, please show up, make your own signs and spead the word.
Yours in Shalom,
Bob Kunst
Pres., Shalom International
305-864-5110
http://www.defendjerusalem.net
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Subject: AN EXPLOSIVE ISSUE: “NO MOSQUE AT ‘GROUND ZERO’-
Dear Media:
Bob Kunst, Pres. of Shalom International, will be doing our 320th rally/event today at 5P.M. on the corner of Pines Blvd. and Entrance to Century Village, in Pembroke Pines, since Oct. 2007, and 1215 news interviews later to “Keep Jerusalem United” and to “Fight Terrorism, Support Israel”.
Shalom International participated in the mass rally with thousands in NYC in June, to oppose the Mosque at ‘Ground Zero’, where Shalom International had already done two previous rallies there, including on Jan. 28, 2010 when we revealed Target Stores selling Globes with Israel not on it, but ‘palestine’ on those globes.
Today, Kunst will have a large sign: “NO MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO”, as part of a national campaign on this issue and a national day of protests on Sept. 5, 2010, Shalom International is sponsoring, including in NYC near Ground Zero. The NYPD are finding us a spot as we write this.
Kunst: “Obama wants to divide Jerusalem, Jewish for 3000 yrs. and millions of Jews were murdered for and give it to the very people who danced in the streets after ’9/11′.”
“The Mosque at Ground Zero, is giving the Islamic Nazis a major victory, that has nothing to do with religious tolerance, as would dividing Jerusalem be the same outrageous victory for the Nazis, and Shalom International has been protesting against and will not allow. Both of these issues are supported by and funded by Saudi Arabia, responsible for ’9/11′ and pushing the division of Jerusalem, as well as Saudi Arabia behind over 15,000 Islamic Nazi attacks worldwide since ’9/11′, that’s killed Jews, Christians, Hindus, Bhuddists, other Muslims and all ‘infidels’.”
“Saudi Arabia is building mosques everywhere to spread Wahabism and to put this mosque at the very sight when the Islamic world declared ‘war’ on America on ’9/11′, which is no different than the Japanese putting up a memorial at Pearl Harbor to their emperor,” or putting a disco at Auschwitz, which they have already done and we protested that as well, or swaztikas at the graves of U.S. killed and buried at Arlington Cemetary.
“I have been to Auschwitz and 31 death camps. I have had battles with ‘nazis’ at both Auschwitz and Dachau death camps with them laughing inside the gas chambers. At Auschwitz, their ‘museum’ is like Disneyworld, and no respect for the millions of Jews exterminated there. The Polish Government has allowed ‘crosses’ on this largest Jewish cemetery and even has allowed a ‘disco’, besides the ‘Nunnery’ with its anti-semitic signs all over it. The crass commercialism, trivialization of the Holocaust and revisionism of it, is also what is at play at ’9/11′, with the Imam behind the Mosque at ‘Ground Zero’, claiming that ’9/11′ is an inside job, part of U.S. politics, as in its support for Israel, and the Imam is getting monies from those behind Hamas and the rest of the Islamic Nazis.”
The Islamic Nazis will have their trophy at ‘Ground Zero’ with this Mosque, a permanent and arrogant attack upon all Americans, constantly.
With Muslims calling the U.S. withdrawals from Iraq and Afghanistan a ‘victory’ for them that will recruit very many for their ‘jihadist’ politics, the crowning Jewels will be a Mosque at ‘Ground Zero’ and to ‘Divide Jerusalem’. The only thing left will be the Vatican, which is also part of their domination politics, by the same forces alligned with Hitler in WWII and ‘Ground Zero’ the beginning of WWIII, that Obama is allowing with Iran to get its nukes it will use against Israel and America.
Kunst is also running for Congress as an ‘independent’ in Dist. 20, against Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Obama’s #1 supporter who told the Jews we could ‘trust’ Obama on Israel, who has turned out to the be the worst anti-semite and disaster for Israel and America. Kunst’s election is a national referendum against Obama/Hillary/Schultz.
Kunst: “In Congress, I will do everything possible to make sure that this Mosque is not built at ‘Ground Zero’ and will cut off all funding to NYC that allows it. We will mobilize the Unions in NYC, not to allow this travesty to happen.”
“NYC is inviting more attacks from the Islamic Nazis by allowing this Mosque at ‘Ground Zero’.
“Mayor Bloomberg, is also in violation of Title 18, of U.S. Code, which is giving ‘material support to terrorists’, which this Mosque does in appeasing politically and materially, the very Islamic Nazi forces screaming ‘Death to Israel’ and ‘Death to America.’
This national and international campaign by the Islamic Nazis, is finally getting out in the open, and what hasn’t been said since ’9/11′ is what is really going on with this enemy that attacked the U.S. 11 times last year alone.
Obama’s disgraceful appeasement of everything Islamic has put Israel and America in great danger, we must all unite against.
Yours in Shalom,
Robert Kunst
Pres., Shalom International
305-864-5110
http://www.defendjerusalem.net
http://www.kunstforcongress.com



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