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Glenn Beck’s Faith: More Christian than Obama’s?

posted by Nicole Neroulias

Glenn Beck held his “Restoring Honor” rally at the Lincoln Memorial on Saturday, the 47th anniversary of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have A Dream” speech. The news reports before, during and after the events makes it pretty clear where Beck and his supporters put themselves politically (anti-Obama, pro-Tea Party), but their spiritual stance remains murky, unless it’s simply that they don’t believe in separation of church and state for conservative Christians. 

From a religion news perspective, both the content and coverage of the rally were fairly vague (GetReligion agrees). Basically, it appears that Beck is positioning himself as the new leader of Christian conservatives, saying things like “America today begins to turn back to God.” He doesn’t specify whose God, however… probably not Thomas Jefferson’s version of Jesus, in any case. 

Here’s what some religious leaders had to say about the rally:

Beck’s evolution from comedic disc jockey to right-wing news commentator to angry prophet has caused concern for some evangelical Christians. While they may agree with his politics, his faith — he’s a Mormon, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — gives them pause. Considering the confusion lately over Obama’s beliefs, whether he’s suspected of being a secret Muslim or merely too much allied with Beck’s much-hated “social justice” churches, it’s interesting to note that Beck’s own affiliation is not so acceptable in certain Christian circles.

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Andre Moore

posted August 30, 2010 at 12:30 pm


Okay, Beck is a mormon. Since he Obama has openly and undeniably professed Christianity. Nothing in his daily routine or in his speaches would indicate anything remotely Muslim. True Christians are taught the value of social justice and tolerance. Even the harcore evangelical will note that “it is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance” I find it funny how ugly rumors grow like weeds. And if they are unchecked they will choke the life out of basic logic.



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Henrietta22

posted August 30, 2010 at 12:42 pm


I didn’t watch his speech, just read media reports of it. I don’t have a problem with him being a Morman because I take America’s Freedom of Religion seriously. Everyone should believe what they believe and I shouldn’t judge them. It would be great if Beck and his admiring crowd could do the same. I was brought up to respect our President even if my parents didn’t vote for him. I have never seen our country so divided on politics or religion, but we voted for a Centrist to fix what a Right President and his administration did eight years before he came into the picture. He’s here and the radicals of both religion and politics are figuratively tearing him apart. Centered people always come out on top, and he’ll pull our nation up with him.



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Patrick Peters

posted August 30, 2010 at 1:33 pm


See the late Catholic leader, Father Richard John Neuhaus’s article, relevant to Glenn Beck.



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Patrick Peters

posted August 30, 2010 at 1:34 pm


http://www.irr.org/mit/neuhaus.html
Father Neuhaus’s article.



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jestrfyl

posted August 30, 2010 at 1:52 pm


The word I have heard used most often with Beck has only one “m” – and that word is “Mor-on”.
He cannot possibly be working from one of the Gospels in the accepted Canon. Jesus’ message of justice, kindness, humility (Beck says, “ouch!”), and grace was no where to be heard. Beck works from the pages that are all about obediance, uniformity, pride, and repentance. Those fell away when the Temple was tossed and burned. So this makes him a Saduccee, a group that is as extinct as the mastodon. Actually Beck seems more interested in fostering fear than justice, more invested in planting anger than kindness, more vocal about patriotism than kindness, and more sure about punishment than grace. Beck must have his own version of the Book, with his face on it (in case it get’s misplaced), and his own words in red – for republican of course – not red as in communist (even though the principles he is foaming about are far closer in line with Communist governments dictates)
All of these add up to someone who is using the magicians classic distraction techniques so the audience will not see what he is actually trying to hide. So what IS Beck hiding? It is sure to be something than violates one of these shouted, flag emblazoned, blame assigning hot air baloons that he lofted this weekend. As the Wizard of Oz said, “Don’t look at the man behind the curtain” What (or who) does beck have with him behind that curtain? His bluster is making people suspicious!



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R. Allen Stancil

posted August 30, 2010 at 1:52 pm


The Bible does not start and stop at John 3:16
True Christians are taught to love God and the things that He loves and to hate sin. Our tolerance for evil and those who practice it should be ZERO. Just as our tolerance for those who claim to be Christians and do not live it. I, as holiness Pentecostal, have no problem with Glen Beck. He has just as much right to rally at the Lincoln Memorial and proclaim his beliefs and any American. And those who criticize him for that have the right not only to speak they also have the remain silent.



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Alicia

posted August 30, 2010 at 2:02 pm


I had to take the Metro on Saturday afternoon after the rally. It was jammed with people wearing American flag t-shirts, religious-oriented t-shirts, and patriotic/libertarian messages. The impressive thing is Beck’s influence in that I saw no picket signs, but it was still easy to recognize those who attended Beck’s rally.
While Beck appears to be encouraging the Tea Party folks and his other supporters to develop a more positive message, I am still deeply offended by their “we have to take our country back” message, and Beck reminds me, more than anybody, of the late Peter Finch playing an anchorman turned lunatic in “Network.” “We’re mad as Hell, and we’re not going to take it anymore!”



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Alicia

posted August 30, 2010 at 2:17 pm


Christopher Hitchens in Slate today, saying it better than I could (as usual):
http://www.slate.com/id/2265515/
A sample:
“…the (attendance) numbers were impressive enough on their own, but the overall effect was large, vague, moist, and undirected: the Waterworld of white self-pity.”



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Your Name

posted August 30, 2010 at 2:44 pm


There is no such thing as a person being more christian than the other. You are either a christian or you are not. You can’t have one foot in and one foot out. God says he will spew you out of his mouth if you are luke warm. To be a christian you must accept Jesus Christ as Lord and savior. Glen Beck is a Mormon. The Mormon religion is a cult of christianity. Glen Beck needs to stop pointing his finger at Barack Obama before he finds himself splitting hell wide open. Barack Obama is a christian, attended a black Baptist church and accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and savior. Glen Beck should repent, accept Jesus Christ as Lord and stop judging the president.



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Thom Hunter

posted August 30, 2010 at 3:25 pm


I think we’re all on shaky ground when we try to determine the truth in an individual’s statement: “I am a Christian.” Certainly we can measure by the standard of whether their actions show the love that is expected of a Christian, but the truth of their salvation lies with God, who really knows for sure. Obama and Beck each have strong opinions. Beck seems also to have convictions. I’ve not seen that in Obama, who appears to be very self-absorbed, drowning in the “my” and “I” of self. I’ve seen no indication he follows a higher authority.
Yes, Becks’ Mormonism is a concern to me as an evangelical Christian. I was disturbed to hear him say that he believes there is more to salvation than just accepting Christ. In truth, there is more than just the accepting, but it because “works” grow through our faith. They don’t establish it.
I appreciate Beck’s courage. If the motivation is not what he claims, it will show in time. If his motivation is pure, his efforts are likely to be blessed.
Thom
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Julio

posted August 30, 2010 at 6:41 pm


Beck’s efforts are noble. He is not asking to do anything other than what is stated in the Bible. By the way, the Mormon church is called the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Later Day Saints. That’s for all of you that do not know that it is a Christian religion. The social justice issue is easy: God wants us to help others, but did not tell us to give us our to money to the government so they can help the poor. We can do that directly. Regarding the cult issue, all religions are cults, by definition. So get over it people.



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Peter Ramsey

posted August 30, 2010 at 8:01 pm


I think it would be interesting to read the speech of Martin Luther King’s niece who attended the rally.
Did anyone in the mainstream media cover her speech?
I give her far more credence than Al Sharpton.
We could argue Beck’s Mormonism forever but to say Obama attended a “Christian” church lead by Jeremiah Wright strains my credibility.
Black liberation theology is Marxism disguised as Christianity and comments like, “God damn America,” won’t wash with the American public. Personally, I would like to see the Mormons toss the “Book of Mormon” into the recycle bin but they do read the Bible (KJV).
I am sick and tired of Obama’s love affair with Islam and his constant apologies for the USA.
A Christian is someone who repents of their sins and accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior. I see no evidence that Obama has repented of anything since being elected president.



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Juan

posted August 30, 2010 at 8:09 pm


What a religion is CALLED is not a great way to determine its substance. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS or Mormon) IS a cult of Christianity. Salvation by works, other works that supersede the Bible in authority (Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Book of Mormon), continuing (and I might add “self-contradictory”) revelation are a few of the hallmarks of such movements.
I like what Beck stands for, and I’m sure he’s VERY sincere in his faith, but I can’t bring myself to recognize him as a fellow Christian.



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@TCWaterback

posted August 30, 2010 at 8:46 pm


I challenge any of you who dispute that the LDS Church is not Christian to listen to the General Conference on the 1st Saturday & Sunday of October (check LDS.org for details). This conference features “talks” given by the Prophet of the Church as well as general authorities. Hear their messages and ponder in your hearts and pray to Our Father in Heaven if their words are of The Spirit and do they speak of Christ? I think you’ll find inspiration from their words as you listen and absorb their messages. I would also challenge you to attend a Sunday service, read the Book of Mormon and pray for your own answers. It is all too easy to start pointing fingers at one another about doctrine, tenets and the misguided and mean-spirited attacks that you too readily fire at those whom don’t believe as you believe. It is sad really that a large Christ centered Church is attacked by the very people who should defend a “Mormon’s” right to practice their religion in a free society.
In the CoJCoLDS we have “The Articlesof Faith” that indicate our beliefs. The 1st of which says: We believe in God the Eternal Father and in His Son Jesus Christ, and in The Holy Ghost.
I think it is also telling that our 1th AoF states: We claim the privilege of worshipping Almighty God according to the dictates ofour own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where or what they may.
So, instead of ostracizing what you really don’t understand try and talk to an actual member of the LDS Church for accurate information (and not your own preconceived prejudices).



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nnmns

posted August 30, 2010 at 9:03 pm


Well since a Mormon suggested a source about Mormons’ beliefs I will too. Mormonism has some bizarre beliefs; not more bizarre than Christianity but definitely different than Christianity.
And TCW I haven’t noticed anyone here challenging your right to practice your religion. Some would, reasonably, challenge your right to call it Christianity.



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Jerry

posted August 30, 2010 at 9:12 pm


So some of you don’t trust Glenn Beck because he’s a Mormon. Or because he’s not your kind of Christian. Or because he’s critical of President Obama and the Democratic Congress, and so on. Big flipping deal! His religious convictions or beliefs are immaterial to his being trustworthy. An atheist or agnostic person may be trusted to be honest if there is integrity in that person. The same is true of whatever branch of Christianity you are, or Mormons, or Hindus or Muslims, etc.
Jesus Christ was good at determining someone’s true character, and told us all how to recognize and judge good people from bad people. He said in Matthew 7:16-20 “Ye shall know them (false prophets)by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”
So it’s up to us to make that determination. Just make sure you don’t call good deeds evil and evil deeds good.



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nnmns

posted August 30, 2010 at 9:34 pm


Jerry you’ve hit the nail on the head in pointing out that religion is not important in trustworthiness.
Now people who intend to trust Glenn need to examine whether what he tells them is, generally speaking, true. And that would require more than taking his word for it; it would require real research. Lots of people took George Bush’s word for things and later found he’d started a war that cost us thousands of lives, a trillion dollars or so and the respect of a lot of people, based on lies.



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Jimmie Flanagan

posted August 30, 2010 at 10:21 pm


I’m a Christian by faith, which is not a religion. Religion being man seeking God thru works, like most religions. I follow Jesus Christ, who came to earth to set man free and thru his life, death and resurrection, I became a new (free) man and the promise of eternal life, not by works but by faith in Jesus. I believe God is using Glen Beck to call America to repentance in accordance with 2 Chron. 7:14. PROMISE KEEPERS put near a million men on Oct. 4, 1997, a Sacred Assembly of Men, called STAND IN THE GAP on the opposite end of the mall in a call to repent and reform America. I believe God is using Glen Beck to stir up His people again for a great revival before the tribulaltion and the anti-christ appear. I was there Saturday and it was a awesome spiritual event and I couldn’t see the stage or autotron.



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paul

posted August 30, 2010 at 10:25 pm


THE BIGGEST ISSUE. There is extensive archaeological evidence for the Bible – there is zero archaeological evidence for the Book of Mormon. In addition, the so-called “lost tribes of Israel” have been DNA-tested – no relation to those in Israel. The hoax is exposed for anyone willing to accept the truth – time to admit a mistake and close shop.



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Dirk Dieters

posted August 30, 2010 at 11:26 pm


I find it insulting and pathetic that any Christian would aupport Glen Beck’s pandering of Jesus’ principles for profit. Jesus said, “When people need help, help them. When people are hungry, feed them. When people are sick, heal them.” Glen Beck somehow is rallying “Christians” who believe the opposite–you’re on your own and we aren’t going to pay for you. You can feel that way but don’t invoke you ideology in the name of Jesus.



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Jerry

posted August 31, 2010 at 12:06 am


Paul, Paul Paul. That may be the biggest issue on another blog specifically addressing that very topic, but the subject has very little relevance to this particular subject, “Glenn Beck’s Faith: More Christian than Obama’s?”
Your bigotry against Mormons is obvious. Is Christ as bigoted against them as you are? You should ponder Mark 9:38-40. You might learn something.



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Details on Glenn's Faith

posted August 31, 2010 at 12:15 am


Glenn Beck’s faith is based on First Century Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ comport more closely with Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormons’ teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:
http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com
Those who would denigrate Glenn Beck’s faith, usually have an ulterior motive. 11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were non-Trinitarian Christians. Those who insist on a narrow definition of Christianity are doing our Republic an injustice.



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Diane

posted August 31, 2010 at 12:28 am


I lived in Utah for 10 years and I don’t believe that Mormons are Christians. They are a separate religion. They believe that men are priests that can become gods of their own planets. They believe that women must submit to their husbands and that if they don’t, their husbands will not call them out of their grave at the end of time to join them in the afterlife. This has caused a society of extreme emotional and physical abuse of women and children by men who think they are god. They have the right to believe what they want. But it isn’t Christianity.
Glenn Beck has spouted a lot of hateful things about the poor, about working class people, about black people, about liberals, and about Obama. You can’t lead a religious movement while you are filled with hate. He has done nothing to bring people together but instead works avidly to divide people in this country.
I don’t believe that people can do evil while invoking the name of God without terrible things happening to them.



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Jpublic

posted August 31, 2010 at 12:39 am


It is sad that people do not understand the difference between religion and faith. Belief in Jesus Christ and following Him has nothing to do with what religion one is comfortable with. So what if he is Mormon? Ignorant writers who do not research before being allowed to broadcast their uneducated opinions do more harm to themselves by their show of ignorance than to the subjects of their scorn.
Mr. Beck has the guts to stand up for God, he has the strength to summon others who believe as he does. For to many years we have rolled over and allowed the liberal pc crowd to keep us down. We now know and understand that to be a truly free country that the liberals must be tolerant of Christians, they have demanded tolerance from us and we gave it to them, it is their turn to give it back.



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Rick

posted August 31, 2010 at 1:18 am


Diane:
You clearly wasted your time in Utah. While you could have learned something about Mormons, you instead let your hate fester and your ignorance expand. Very sad for you.



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Jerry

posted August 31, 2010 at 1:22 am


Diane,
Living in Utah for a decade has not made you any sort of an authority on those of the LDS religion, it seems. You were speaking of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint, right? Not some offshoot of it?
If you had any idea how completely opposed the Church is to any “extreme emotional and physical abuse of women and children by men who think they are god”, you’d bow your head in shame for even make such an accusation. If leaders in the Church find a man who is a Church member that has done such a terrible thing to his family members, he would be immediately excommunicated. It won’t be tolerated even for a minute. As for a “society” of such behavior, you are horribly misinformed or a big fat liar, so to speak. Certainly, there may be some instance of such criminal abusive behavior, and such a man needs to be turned over to the police, but to claim a society of such behavior goes beyond the pale.
As for Glenn Beck doing “evil” while invoking the name of God, I believe you are sadly mistaken.



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jules

posted August 31, 2010 at 8:35 am


Matthew 24:24
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
2 Peter 2
1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Glenn Beck is a false prophet. Mormons are not Christians. If they were, why do they need the book of Mormon? The only book Christians need is the Bible, which is the inerrant Word of God. Mormons have modeled their religion after Christianity to legitimize their beliefs, acquire property, businesses and political power. They gained legitimacy when a majority of them in Utah agree to give up polygamy to be a State in the Union, although many fundamentalist Mormons still practice polygamy. Clearly they have deceived many Christians on this post.



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Lowell Sunderland

posted August 31, 2010 at 9:25 am


Is Beck more religious than Obama? For goodness sake, even posing that question is silly. First, who cares and, second, why? Is the American public so stupid and inattentive to forget that Obama attended a Christian church in Chicago for, what, two decades before winning the presidency while being castigated by many for listening to a minister who, in context and until he became too strident about it, spoke truth? Rev. Wright, et al … hello?
Indeed, we Americans constitutionally have freedom to believe whatever we want to believe. We do NOT have the right to impose belief on others. If you’re at all religious, you should know that most religions, anyway, teach tolerance, so why wouldn’t that concept apply here? If you know just a smidgen of history, you also know that mixing religion with politics is dangerous beyond belief.
Zealotry in religion is just plain offensive and destructive publicly, no matter the church or belief system. So why don’t we just let Beck believe what he wants, privately, and let the President do the same. We’ll all be better off for it.



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ds0390

posted August 31, 2010 at 10:09 am


“Those who would denigrate Glenn Beck’s faith, usually have an ulterior motive. 11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were non-Trinitarian Christians. Those who insist on a narrow definition of Christianity are doing our Republic an injustice.”
LOL…folks are giving unto Beck what he gives unto others and his supporters are whining about it? Sorry folks, but doesn’t your Bible tell you to judge not lest you be judged by the same measure?



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Rob the Rev

posted August 31, 2010 at 10:36 am


Progressive Christians do not need Glenn Beck, a member of the false Morman cult concocted by plagerizer Joseph Smith, to tell them what is good theology and what is not. He wouldn’t know good theology if it bit him in the butt.



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kenneth

posted August 31, 2010 at 10:44 am


Beck is no more a man of faith than was Hitler. Religion for both of them is just a means to an end. His own power is his only religion, and he employs the same language of fear and populism that have defined all little men with big dreams of facism.



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Robert C

posted August 31, 2010 at 11:12 am


Actually, they are two peas in the same pod.



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Rob the Rev

posted August 31, 2010 at 12:01 pm


Glenn Beck and his Tea Bagging following say they want to take America back: back to a time of legal segregation; back to white supremacy and second class citizenship for people of color; back to legal racism and segregation; back to legal prohibition of interracial marriage; back to a time when there were no labor unions; back to a time before Social Security and Medicare; back to a time of more polluted water and air; back to a time when GLBT folks were in the closet and persecuted by society; back to a time before separation of church and state; back to a time before food safety regulation; etc.



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Rob the Rev

posted August 31, 2010 at 12:40 pm


http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/politics/3199/beck%E2%80%99s_%E2%80%9Cdream%E2%80%9D%E2%80%94our_nightmare/
Essay August 25, 2010 Beck’s “Dream”—Our Nightmare
By Julie Ingersoll
Glenn Beck says he’s “reclaiming the civil rights movement,” but his ideas about race are rooted in a the theology of a historical revisionist who had no problem with “biblical” slavery.
“David Barton, Glenn Beck’s favorite history “professor,” is the creator and purveyor of a revisionist history of race in America that is rapidly gaining traction in conservative and Tea Party circles. That history, drawn in part from the writings of Christian Reconstructionists, recasts modern-day Republicans as the racially inclusive party, and modern-day Democrats as the racists supportive of slavery and post-Emancipation racist policies.”
Read the remainder of the essay at the link above



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Robert C

posted August 31, 2010 at 3:17 pm


Let me get this straight. We’re going to be “gifted” with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don’t, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president who also smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that’s broke.
Now, honestly just ask yourself, what could possibly go wrong? But, if you somehow object to the whole spectre, your a racist. I’ll drink to that.



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Ellie Dee

posted August 31, 2010 at 4:42 pm


What I find truly amazing is, that only men of God cause such enigmas in the world. No one saw this gathering as a call to our Higher Principles, a call to our Higher Self. Instead they may go one for another 2000 years, seeking the meaning of Christ..when all they ever have to do, is remove politics from their eyes, and restore our own personhood,with honor and integrity…Just think, if no man on earth had to lie, and had an open heart, what would the world be? Its sad that too many people can see that, as the Dream!



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nnmns

posted August 31, 2010 at 6:38 pm


Well RC no one’s perfect. But many people already have health coverage and the majority of those who don’t would surely like it. And this plan makes it possible for virtually everyone to get a plan, better than the plans before it passed due to the protections from providers it includes. As for the rest of your concerns, remember no one’s perfect.



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Robert C

posted August 31, 2010 at 7:29 pm


Yep. I’ll drink to that too nnmns. In the meantime, if your in Massachusetts with our mandatory universal coverage, your options are narrowing as more Insurers withdraw and more doctors opt out. But I guess we should all take a deep breath and wait for the mid-terms. As Gallup indicates, more change headed down the pike.



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Jerry

posted August 31, 2010 at 9:51 pm


I believe Lowell S. s the only person who bothered to read the topic of conversation and has actually commented on it, sensibly. All others here have jumped in with commentary why they hate Mormons, why they hate Glenn Beck, why they hate Christians, why they hate the Tea Party folks, or why they hate the President.
I went through all of the links provided for this initial topic and they weren’t any better. There was a Catholic leader who very obviously does not watch C-Span to see what was actually said at Mr. Beck’s rally, a minister who attended and was very moved by what he witnessed, more Catholic commentators with mostly positive views, and undoubtedly an atheist or Agnostic commentator who didn’t like the religious portion of the Rally.
I agree with Lowell in that the topic is ridiculous. There is no way to judge the hearts of men as far as their faith goes, and why would anyone want to? Oh yes, about half of you here have judged Glenn Beck to be a false prophet, a liar, a swindler, a non-Christian, a deceiver, a Hitler, and so on. Have you judged the President too? I’d doubt you’ve even given it a second thought.
Let me ask you, Rob the Rev, Kenneth, Jules, and Robert C., what have you done to call others to turn to God? To how many people have you done so? Have you urged your country to repent for their sins? Do you believe our people even need to repent? What have you done to urge others to be good and fair and honest and loyal to their country? If you believed there was a critical need to do so, would you encourage your countrymen and women to do these things?
You see, I don’t care if the devil himself wakes me up to tell me my house is on fire, I’m gonna get out! You folks have let your hate of the messenger lead you to despise the message, and you are fools to do so! If you even pretend to be any sort of follower of Christ, where are your values? Are you so full of conceit that to have someone you don’t like try and remind you of what you should already know poison your hearts to the extent you cannot abide good advice? And having pride in your country and wanting it’s citizens to be strong morally, economically or even militarily does not contradict any teaching found in the scriptures. Even those without any religious leanings should agree that to be encourage to have good ethics is a desirable thing. These are the very things Mr. Beck did at this rally!
In the most general sense, he and those with him encouraged us to be good citizens, good stewards of the blessings we have received, to be thankful to our Creator and the Author of our Salvation, to seek God’s will and to repent for our shortcomings, to honor the men and women in the military that have offered so much because their country has asked it of them, to be good people. I could go on.
Having these values is a good and desirable thing, regardless of your political affiliation. Remove the religious element, and these are good things for even the un- or anti-religious too.
Our country doesn’t have any more Billy Grahams to do this calling. Our President surely won’t for fear of offending some of you ultra-sensitives. So that left it up to a reformed pill-popper to do make the call. Sorry you didn’t like the messenger. Maybe you can do it next time.



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Robert C

posted August 31, 2010 at 11:33 pm


I can deal with all sorts comments after I’ve made a post, purposeful misinterpretation is the usual rule, but please don’t accuse me of something I haven’t said. So Jerry, where the hell did I bash Beck and earn your vituperative slings and arrows?



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Jerry

posted August 31, 2010 at 11:48 pm


Sorry, Robert, but apparently I misunderstood something you said.
Kenneth posted, “Beck is no more a man of faith than was Hitler. Religion for both of them is just a means to an end.”
You then responded in the next post, “Actually, they are two peas in the same pod.”
I guess it only seemed like you were on the Beck-bashing bandwagon.



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Robert C

posted September 1, 2010 at 8:36 am


You are correct, I should have been more specific about who I was responding to with the quip. It wasn’t Kenneth. I am not particularly fond of Beck but I have no need to froth at the mouth about him.



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Ernie Cole

posted September 1, 2010 at 8:09 pm


I don’t have time to read all the other comments,so at the risk of possibly being repetitive,I’ll just say my piece: First of all I find it offensive and ridiculous that anyone would bring up what God ANYONE honors(or turns to)! If you are christian(or muslim, jew,etc.)you know there is ONLY ONE GOD-FOR ALL OF US! End of story-there are not different gods for all the various faiths or branches thereof,or for different nations! Also as to Pres. Obamas’ religion,I have to ask:what religion? I’m still very unclear as what it is! Not that it matters,if he is muslim,so what-the largest percentage of muslims are NOT radical extremists or terrorists,but good people;and if he is christian,fine too. You nor I nor anyone else has the right to judge the president NOR Mr. Beck as to their “version” of christianity,due a little thing called freedom of religion-maybe you’ve heard of it? And as to separation of church and state,since when is Mr. Beck the government(state) or when/how does he represent it? As long as our elected officials don’t try to
pass laws for or against any certain religion or religious practice then we have nothing to be concerned about here!



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Rob the Rev

posted September 2, 2010 at 2:37 pm


Excerpts from the column:
Glenn Beck the Faith-Healer Continues to Scam His Followers
Bob CescaHost of the Bob and Elvis Show
Posted: September 1, 2010 04:38 PM
“Throughout his gripping new book, The Backlash: Right-Wing Radicals, High-Def Hucksters, and Paranoid Politics in the Age of Obama, Philadelphia Daily News reporter and blogger Will Bunch augments the notion that Glenn Beck is playing a fictional character named “Glenn Beck.” A faker. Specifically, Bunch draws together evidence indicating that Beck is nothing more than a morning zoo deejay whose latest money-making stunt is to portray a new kind of televangelist, offering political and religious salvation for profit. …”
“In this case, the painted on tears are Beck’s own. His equally fake character is a derivative grab bag of other tried and tested personalities. His adenoidal “Clydie Clyde” voice is based on morning zoo pioneer Scott Shannon’s “Mr. Leonard” character. His history is borrowed from the widely debunked work of W. Cleon Skousen. His conspiracy theories are horked from Alex Jones and maybe Jack Van Impe. His anti-Obama, anti-socialist monologues are pure Joe McCarthy. His chalkboard is stolen from televangelist Gene Scott. His solemn, over-processed radio monologue delivery is a dead ringer for Eric Bogosian in Talk Radio. This is all well-worn stuff, but no one has drawn it all together and sculpted it into one big holy Mr. Potato Head for the purpose of conning an especially susceptible audience during turbulent racial and economic times.”
Read the remainder of the column here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/glenn-beck-the-faith-heal_b_702586.html



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GetUpAndVote

posted September 3, 2010 at 8:59 am


Judging a religion by a few’s action… So are ALL CAtholic Priests pedophiles? I think not. A few bad apples can ruin the bunch, if the bunch allow themselves to be ruined. Don’t be in that bunch. Harry Reid, is also Mormon, and Appearently, Steve Young voted Yes on Prop 8. Each religion (thank the lord) has the freedom to worship how, where, and what they may.



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Jerome McCollom

posted September 7, 2010 at 1:11 pm


This speech by Beck was supposed to be non-partisan and honoring the troops. Uh huh. Let’s call it what it was, a rally by Beck to consolidate his support among the Christian right wing to make appeals to make us a more theocratic state. It was an appeal against secularism. It was an appeal against the vision of James Madison, Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine. It was an appeal to the agenda of Pat Robertson. I do not want a state runned in anyway by religion, we have Iran and Saudi Arabia already. We dont need a Christian version in any form of that, in the U.S.



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Nicole Neroulias

posted September 17, 2010 at 12:03 am

Grumpy Old Person

posted September 28, 2010 at 12:16 pm


“Also as to Pres. Obamas’ religion,I have to ask:what religion? I’m still very unclear as what it is!”
I hate it when people don’t pay attention. Weren’t you listening during the Presidential campaign in 2007? Ever hear of Jeremiah Wright? Jeezus, it was all over the Internets and TV and the newspapers.
What’ll be next? Will you ask if Obama is Kenyan?
Anyone who sez they ‘don’t know much about Obama’ should read a book or two – he’s written about his upbringing extensively in two bestsellers. Sheesh already.
PAY ATTENTION!



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coni

posted December 10, 2010 at 1:02 pm


The church he attended for what 20 years is enough said on this matter. you decide??



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coni

posted December 10, 2010 at 1:17 pm


what else do we really know about this man? who gave him his first job. How did he attend Harvard if Mom on Gov asst and he made what grades where they? not scholar ship i ask? did i miss anything? oh and the book one should read is the good old B I B L E yes thats the book for me it explains this in detail.



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john

posted December 12, 2010 at 10:16 pm


I have always told everyone that OBAMA is as he said, a MUSLEM, he has been very plain in what he says and does, do we have to hit you with a baseball to have you understand??? CHRISTIANS DO NOT KILL LITTLE BABIES, AND OBAMA IS ALL FOR THAT VERY SINFUL AND TERRIBLE THING, THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THAN KILLING HELPLESS, INNOCENT, NO ONE TO DEFEND THEM SWEET LITTLE PRECIOUS BABIES!!! ARE YOU LISTENING??? ARE YOU GUILTY??? THERE IS A VERY HOT SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR THE KILLERS OF THESE LITTLE ONES!!! MARANATHA!!!



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