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Sauron at work

posted by Gus diZerega

Yes indeed – Sauron has plans for you…  These include rape, child incest, and if Sharron Angle is consistent, for some, murder and mutilation.  A wonderful demon you worship there, Sharron.



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Pitch313

posted June 30, 2010 at 11:16 am


This inflexible and invariant fixation of “God’s Plan”–I suppose it’s belief in predestination–si something that makes me see some good sense in the notion of “Pagan atheism.” I certainly want to disengage from any sort of world view that insists that we are just pawns or parts of some “divine” blueprint that we cannot possible comprehend.
Besides, why do we need such things as “human laws” or “Bible injuctions” when all is in the control of God? So I guess that candidate Angle is maybe deep down a theocratic anarchist…



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Labrys

posted June 30, 2010 at 1:01 pm


It has long been a major thorn in my side, these “God has a plan!” lunatics who think rape and suffering (most especially for women, I note) is all ok because of this “plan.” I am with Dostoyevsky—if that is the “ticket”, any deity so heartless can have his ticket back. But then, that is why I abandoned Christianity—they couldn’t seem to get a logical lock on the nutjobs who would happily paint their deity as the murderous monster who would countenance such a “plan.”



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mouseytalons

posted June 30, 2010 at 5:01 pm


I agree with pitch and labrys. Anyone who puts their trust in any god that is that uncaring and cruel truely does not understand the consequences that WILL come upon them. In a way, I feel sorry for Sharon Angle. I feel sorry that she does not realize that her god is truly a vicious god, if his (for lack of a better description)”plan” is to allow for Rape, Kidknapping, and yes, Murder. This is NOT a god in my book, it is a Viscious Spirit! I do not believe any spirit is inherently evil, however, some may be mischievious, playful, or even vindictive (if you cross them). What she describes is in large part why I turned my back on christianity (the religion of my birth, and childhood).



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Hecate Demetersdatter

posted June 30, 2010 at 5:41 pm


One of the first things many xians point out about Paganism is that, centuries ago, it allowed human sacrifice. Fair enough. Where not voluntary, that was wrong. But what else is it but human sacrifice to deny a young woman the benefits of medicine and science when she’s been raped?



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pharaohdux

posted July 1, 2010 at 5:10 am


…and killing a fetus by denying someone the benefits of medicine is NOT human sacrifice?
If as many people as Gus seems to claim actually worshiped Sauron, then I’d like to know why I haven’t heard any good news reports coming out of Mordor lately.
At least Sharon Angle’s being honest. That’s rare with politicos these days. She does sound extreme (from this small blip we’ve been treated to), and based of this single fact I doubt I’d vote for her, but a hyper-conservative view on the sanctity of life (ex-utero or otherwise) doesn’t necessitate calling her a demon worshiper. She’s not advocating rape. Pull it together Gus.



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clasqm

posted July 1, 2010 at 5:47 am


I’m with pharaohdux. If you are against abortion, then there is no logical reason for the rape / incest exemptions. Angle is perfectly consistent.
Do I have to spell it out? Opponents of abortion maintain that aborting a fetus at any stage is taking a human life and therefore unacceptable. One can disagree with that (and I do, actually). But you cannot argue that this particular fetus is non-human because its father was a rapist or a close relative of the mother. Transposing the sins of the father upon the child is just as … Sauronic.
It’s noticeable that the other common abortion exemption, the survival of the mother, is not brought up in this interview. That would have put Angle on the spot a great deal more.
PS Sauron was a wimp. Take Morgoth, now there was a demon!



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Gus diZerega

posted July 1, 2010 at 10:22 am


A deity whose plan is for people to be raped and then die in childbirth leaving many children without a mother is acting in the spirit of Sauron. Maximize suffering.
So is a deity whose chief claim to worship is that It will cause you to suffer for eternity if you do not. This Thing currently masquerades as God among some people who mistakenly think they are Christians, Jews, or Muslims, among others.
And no – for the benefit of the simple minded, I am NOT saying all Christians, Jews, and Muslims worship Sauron masquerading under another name.
Clasqm is right, of course. But no one very aware of the issues would accuse the anti-abortion crowd as a whole of being particularly outstanding in their intellectual rigor or moral consistency.



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Franklin Evans

posted July 1, 2010 at 12:46 pm


About consistency: The article goes on to report that Angle has very slim chances against Reid, and that view comes from Republicans.
People who cite human sacrifice in the distant past by our spiritual ancestors often fail to further cite that they, at some point, mostly came to the same conclusion moderns have: It is just wrong. The Romans outlawed it at one point, and enforced their prohibition directly, even aggressively. One could argue that it was the downfall of the Aztecs, whose practice of counting coup in battle assumed that the defeated would lie down and wait to be taken to temples to be sacrificed. The Spaniards burst that bubble, and gained many allies from tribes surrounding the Aztecs who were tired of supplying those temples.



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Ladyhawke4

posted July 2, 2010 at 5:58 am


Methinks (s)he doth protest too much.
I can’t help but think of all those preacher types who came out so strongly against things like homosexuality and adultery and then proved to be indulging in such practices themselves; as though the forceful condemnation of others could somehow eradicate the events in their own lives.
Before we jump off the deep end with that statement, all I am suggesting is that perhaps the vehemence of the woman’s position has more to do with reconciling events within her close personal circle than anything else.
If there is one thing I have learned it’s that very often we colour our whole perspective on any issue with the events in our own lives. Just a thought.



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