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The Faith Forum – a first thought

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Evangelical Christians get regularly fired up by all the perceived ways the media and Hollywood make fun of them or misrepresent them. Frequently the slights are imagined or are trumped up by Christian leaders to raise more money. Sometimes, however, they are real. More often than not I think the slights or affronts are ones of ignorance rather than maliciousness. CNN’s Solidad O’Brien is a wonderful case in point. Tonight in her first series of questions to Sen. John Edwards on creation she said something akin to”all evangelical churches teach that the world was made in six days.” Hello? They do? Sorry, I’ve never been to one. Christian churches that teach “young earth creationism” – the idea that the world is 6,000 years old and the earth was created in six 24-hour days – are a small minority of Christian churches. Yes, most Christians believe in “creationism” but that does not mean they believe in six literal days of creation. It tends to mean, as Sen. Sam Brownback wrote recently, that God is the creator and his hand is evident in all different aspects of creation – even through forms of evolution. As Brownback noted, “if one does not unhesitatingly assert belief in evolution, then one must necessarily believe that God created the world and everything in it in six 24-hour days. But limiting this question to a stark choice between evolution and creationism does a disservice to the complexity of the interaction between science, faith and reason.” Well said



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PatientWitness

posted June 5, 2007 at 7:03 am


Well said, indeed. I was something of a fan of Huckabee until when asked in their first debate, “Who here does not believe in evolution?” and he raised is hand. We’ve had more than enough of anti-intellectuals in office and so I cannot support anyone who disputes the sciences.



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posted June 5, 2007 at 2:27 pm


Note that Brownback did not answer the question regarding his assessment of the status of evolution with his comments. The only thing he revealed is: 1) He thinks ‘microevolution’ happened. 2) He rejects the entirely ‘materialistic’, deterministic view of origins. Note that ‘materialism’ is a buzzword for the ideological ‘war’ drummed up by the Discovery Institute. What he didn’t mention was something basic like whether he thought humans and apes shared a common ancestor. The main point: You don’t have to disbelieve in a literal, six-day creation to still completely miss the boat. And frankly, given the current administration’s repeated denial of uncomfortable scientific information, I’m not happy with Brownback’s recent sidestepping on evolution.



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Eric

posted June 5, 2007 at 6:23 pm


I’m a little confused by your description of Brownback’s clarification as “side-stepping.” He basically stated that he believes God created the universe, but that God didn’t choose to tell us exactly how. Common descent is only one part of evolutionary theory, but you appear to have it as a personal litmus test. That is an excellent example of the artificial wedge between faith and science which he addressed in his NY Times editorial.



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Alicia

posted June 5, 2007 at 8:06 pm


Most of the Christians I’ve met in my life (as opposed to those encountered in the news media) did not believe in “Creationism” except in the metaphoric, non-literal sense referred to in your post.I’m 52, and honestly, growing up in the mid-60’s, I didn’t know there were people who disbelieved in the theory of evolution until the first time I saw Spencer Tracy square off against Frederic March in “Inherit the Wind.” (Favorite lines – the exchange about whether a sponge thinks.)



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Donny

posted June 6, 2007 at 1:39 am


0 x 0 = Atheism. Whether Darwinian or just the plain need to justify hedonism, whatever happened during the beginning, some “thing” started it and the non-godians go to great lengths to prove their insanity is somehow “logic” based.The Christians, on the other hand, have handled the origin of the universe well.



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