What do you believe?
RachelAJ
True believers in what? If they had not seen him resurrected, what was there to believe in? Why would they perpetuate a lie? What was to gain? Money? An easy life?
These simple Jewish fishermen (except for Paul later who was a Pharisee)in a few weeks after Jesus' death they went from a scared, hiding bunch of people, to a fearless, eloquent, tireless team, that taught and converted coutries, were beaten, imprisoned, and died gruesome deaths-and all this, according to the Rabbi, while they were proclaiming a lie, that they knew was a lie.
I somehow cannot see 11 men, 10 of whom knew and lived with Jesus, enduring a tormented life and horrid death, just to spread what they knew was a lie. It just is not humanly possible. The only explanation is that they saw Jesus alive;it sustained them for a lifetime of great effort and hardship.
And, the Rabbi writes that Jesus was born in Rome?????
2/6/2006 11:30:51 PM
The Rabbi writes "When Jesus died, true believers had to theologically compensate for the disaster." True believers in what? If they had not seen him resurrected, what was there to believe in? Why would they perpetuate a lie? What was to gain? Money? An easy life?
These simple Jewish fishermen (except for Paul later who was a Pharisee)in a few weeks after Jesus' death they went from a scared, hiding bunch of people, to a fearless, eloquent, tireless team, that taught and converted coutries, were beaten, imprisoned, and died gruesome deaths-and all this, according to the Rabbi, while they were proclaiming a lie, that they knew was a lie.
I somehow cannot see 11 men, 10 of whom knew and lived with Jesus, enduring a tormented life and horrid death, just to spread what they knew was a lie. It just is not humanly possible. The only explanation is that they saw Jesus alive;it sustained them for a lifetime of great effort and hardship.
And, the Rabbi writes that Jesus was born in Rome?????
carisin
I remember one day when she wss doing her speling homework, she showed me a fill-in-the-blank item that said, "Missing mass is a mortal sin, and you will go to hell." We both had a great lauch over it. What a sentence for the third grade!
In short, she's no longer Catholic. Wha
12/23/2005 6:00:32 PM
When I was in elementary public school, my best girlfriend was in Catholic school. We used to do our homework togeher.I remember one day when she wss doing her speling homework, she showed me a fill-in-the-blank item that said, "Missing mass is a mortal sin, and you will go to hell." We both had a great lauch over it. What a sentence for the third grade!
In short, she's no longer Catholic. Wha
Daniel88
Ironically, the Rabbi also, in this same deceptive and polemical article, falsely criticizes Jesus' teachings as being "contradictory." It seems the spiritual principle Jesus taught "Judge not so that ye may not be judged [Matt 7:1, KJV]" will still be fulfilled when a person makes a *false* judgement about someone else (i.e. about Jesus Himself).
11/19/2005 5:31:15 PM
Rabbi Wolpe writes, "I would not presume to tell Christians who is a Christian." However, in the very same article he also says the following: "As the theologian Elieser Berkowitz put it, the Nazis who killed Jews may not have been Christians, but they were all the sons and daughters of Christians." Therefore, while the Rabbi claims he would not presume to tell us who is a Christian, he contradicts himself by saying that every single one of the murderous Nazis was raised by parents who were Christians! Ironically, the Rabbi also, in this same deceptive and polemical article, falsely criticizes Jesus' teachings as being "contradictory." It seems the spiritual principle Jesus taught "Judge not so that ye may not be judged [Matt 7:1, KJV]" will still be fulfilled when a person makes a *false* judgement about someone else (i.e. about Jesus Himself).
ChuckNoVa
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The thing is that we never claim that Avraham Avinu and Moshe Rabbeinu are perfect. The Bible is chock full of real men with real flaws who despite these flaws - or perhaps, because of them - are fit carriers and teachers of a tradition of righteousness, charity, and justice.
11/3/2005 8:59:38 AM
<The thing is that we never claim that Avraham Avinu and Moshe Rabbeinu are perfect. The Bible is chock full of real men with real flaws who despite these flaws - or perhaps, because of them - are fit carriers and teachers of a tradition of righteousness, charity, and justice.
lv2plsgod
The point that you are missing is this: When God created Adam and Eve they defied God and went against his orders. Now I understand why the confusion...man & woman made a mess of things in the beginning and nothing has changed in the present. We think that we are obligated to know every move of God - we are not.
If we did - we may fall short (as always) and let the enemy in!
That is why the gift of Prophecey is given to a select few.
9/29/2005 2:08:55 PM
Thank you Rabbi Wolpe for the part you played in my decision "NOT" to purchase your material or listen to your Gibberish about "THE AWESOME WONDER"..."THE GREAT I AM." The point that you are missing is this: When God created Adam and Eve they defied God and went against his orders. Now I understand why the confusion...man & woman made a mess of things in the beginning and nothing has changed in the present. We think that we are obligated to know every move of God - we are not.
If we did - we may fall short (as always) and let the enemy in!
That is why the gift of Prophecey is given to a select few.
eltonsecret
Has a nation changed it's god ?
I am the one true god there is no other besides me.
Gods anger toward this people Israel
was because they turned away from him to serve other gods.
Isn't the message from the lord himself enough for all you to believe that he is right and man is wrong. God says: curse is the man that believes in man.
You decide, who will you fear, god or what man tells you ?
9/11/2005 4:44:13 PM
God says in the holy scriptures:Has a nation changed it's god ?
I am the one true god there is no other besides me.
Gods anger toward this people Israel
was because they turned away from him to serve other gods.
Isn't the message from the lord himself enough for all you to believe that he is right and man is wrong. God says: curse is the man that believes in man.
You decide, who will you fear, god or what man tells you ?
BillThinks4Himself
Abraham lied about being married to Sarah, and was willing to let other men touch her rather than face the risk of owning up to her. He also slept with the maid, Hagar, and had a child from her - and provided no support to them when Sarah had them booted from the household. Later on, he came within an inch of murdering his son because a voice in his head told him to do it.
Then, there's Moses, the guy who wrote, "Thou shalt not kill" after fleeing Egypt for killing an Egyptian. Moral examples these two are not.
7/7/2005 5:42:21 PM
While we're casting rocks at each other's comic books, let's look at the "morality" of Abraham and Moses. Rabbi Wolpe goes on about the morally iffy words of Jesus, as dictated decades or centuries after his death, but what about Abraham and Moses?Abraham lied about being married to Sarah, and was willing to let other men touch her rather than face the risk of owning up to her. He also slept with the maid, Hagar, and had a child from her - and provided no support to them when Sarah had them booted from the household. Later on, he came within an inch of murdering his son because a voice in his head told him to do it.
Then, there's Moses, the guy who wrote, "Thou shalt not kill" after fleeing Egypt for killing an Egyptian. Moral examples these two are not.
eastcoastlady
Yes, buuuuuuut......
It's our refusal to accept Jesus as divine / the son of G-d / the Messiah that leads so many Christians to so deride us.
6/1/2005 8:36:10 AM
Chidrake,Yes, buuuuuuut......
It's our refusal to accept Jesus as divine / the son of G-d / the Messiah that leads so many Christians to so deride us.
chidrake
5/30/2005 2:45:27 AM
i believe our disagreemnet on whether jesus is the son of god is secondary to our refusal to completely seek and understand the deep rooted reasons causing a division between ou two religions.
Adatyeshua
5/16/2005 2:24:45 PM
I was disappointed with Rabbi Wolpe. Scholars like Boyarin, including his newer contribution "Border Lines", along with Douglas Harinck, "Paul Among the PostLiberals and Magnus Zetterholm, "The Formation of Christianity in Antioch: A Social-Scientific View of the Separation of Judaism and Christianity" These see a totally different reality concerning the immediate centuries following the life of Jesus. Rabbi Wolpe in referring to Levine's book betrays a discussion in which Jews and Christians can get along while trying to control truth in Jewish modern terms concerning the anti-missionary approach. Look for the soon to be published book (November -Brazos Publishing) by Mark Kinzer; "Post-Missionary Messinaic Judaism" for an effort to have Jewish/Christian dialogue on a more honest and respectfullevel in light of current scholarly concerns.
Saadaya
5/5/2005 11:08:45 AM
I have to agree that it's an error to think of Paul as a prophet. He never met Jesus in life and did not share his values. His stance on women 'covering themselves' and not speaking in church is more comparable to Taliban Islam than to the teachings of the historical Jesus, who always included women and treated them fairly.