YahyaBergum

7/14/2005 6:19:09 PM

Sorry to be so cryptic, Romans. Briefly I think one possible motive for 9/11 was to "wreck relations" between Arabs and Americans, thereby leaving various Arab and/or Muslim governments with less in the way of "infidel support" in resisting local insurgencies. Have I again perhaps been too cryptic?

Now as for an individual citizen supporting foreign belligerents I think doing so might seem likely to be in violation of various neutrality acts. That sort of thing seems likely to become an issue when such foreign belligerents have fallen out of favor with such a citizen's own government. If a party of those belligerents seemed inclined to wreck relations with that citizen's government then the citizen's government might seem more inclined to take exception to the citizen’s prior violations of various neutrality acts. In my view, violating my nation's neutrality is the sort of thing I'm better off leaving to my government.

YahyaBergum

7/14/2005 6:18:36 PM

I'm guessing a citizen wouldn't have to be Muslim merely to run afoul of various neutrality acts. For example, if I was privately supporting a foreign movement that promoted hostile territorial expansion, which let's say even came to be considered a threat by no less than the foreign state formerly sponsoring it, where then might that seemingly leave private supporters such as myself? And especially where might that leave those who continued to insist theirs was a just cause? I apologize for possibly being too cryptic. Basically I simply don't wish to seem rude – but then again this doesn't seem like the time for being too cryptic.

windbender

7/14/2005 1:15:19 PM

end up...

watsy

7/14/2005 12:41:56 PM

I do see problems in the USA where being politically correct keeps us from dealing with some social problems in an honest and productive manner.

I'm having trouble seeing that within the Muslim world. Are we being politically correct when we say that "Most Muslims in this country are patriotic citizens who love America and this country?" OR, is that the truth? I think it's the truth. Unless the gov't is rounding up a lot of Muslims in this country who are inciting violence, and I know nothing about it(always possible), then the lack of terrorist attacks in this country by Muslims who are Americans is evidence that I'm correct.

orthodox1259

7/14/2005 11:10:13 AM

I probably am one of the most conservative posters on Beliefnet. I am of the opinion that we have every right (both moral and legal) to pursue terrorists and their supporters and destroy them. I am, however, disturbed by the arrest, conviction and sentencing to life in prison based on expounding his beliefs (however hateful). That's a long time in prison for saying what you think, however poorly thoughtout. It wrinkles my Bill of Rights absolutist nose.

watsy

7/14/2005 9:22:18 AM

I'm not sure what you're saying, Romans. I'm not familiar enough with European laws. Orthodox told me, yesterday, that they have laws against religious hate speech in Britain, and that much of the terrorism is being spawned in prison.

Romans_12

7/14/2005 7:21:11 AM

Part 2

Europe is in DEEP trouble - as they continue to turn a blind eye to such actions (rampant and not in the least covert) - wrongly thinking that radical-'anythings' will leave them alone if the government is 'understanding and nurturing'. Laws are written, even as we type this morning, that protect those who's only aim is destroy what is now Western civilization.

I pray for all - the haters (that they may find reason), the innocents, and for the masses (that they find wisdom).

Blessings to all here.

Romans 12
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Romans_12

7/14/2005 7:20:53 AM

Part 1

YahyaBergum,

With all respect, I have no idea what you're saying or implying. Your posts are usually well penned and not so cryptic.

As for al-Timimi, I have not followed this story in any in-depth fashion - hence, I do not have anything other than opinion (based on the story, at hand).

If he did conducted himself in the manner in which he was found guilty of - it is, in fact, treasonous. There is a great amount of tolerance (in the judicial branch) and leeway afforded Americans in their patterns of free speech - there can be no room for tolerance when it crosses into the realm of moving people to hatred and violence.

Blessings to all here.

Romans 12
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YahyaBergum

7/14/2005 3:20:30 AM

When the United States decides to wage war on one's favorite foreign belligerents, I suppose it's better for the citizen-thus-spotlighted to be quick about putting a new spin on their personal foreign entanglements. And of course there always seems to be somebody trying to wreck relations with the infidel, with the gentiles or with various other allies subscribing to an "alien" ideology.

Perhaps it's generally a good idea to have a new spin pretty much ready to go. After all, it does seem that the worm tends to turn a bit, now and then perhaps.