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world citizen
3/14/2002 10:36 PM
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Dusty, thanks for the reference source. I'll see if I can get my bloodhound to track the book down. :-)
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james1961
3/31/2002 9:08 AM
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The mark of the beast, or 666. Will be probably more than just a mark. But swearing allegance to the beast. Which is not a person but rather. A government. The anti christ will be the leader of that government. But it looks more and more like we could see this in our life time. Already we can but things without paper money. Electronic transactions. Debit cards, credit cards and so on. Already some people since 9-11, have suggested that we have a national I.D. card. With all of who we are printed on a micro chip on that card. PAPERS PLEASE. Then when that system is and of course in a short amount of time, it can be corrupted. Then we could go to the micro chip under the skin. Perhaps on your hand or forehead, as talked about in the bible.
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world citizen
3/31/2002 7:59 PM
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Welcome to the Baha'i forum, James, and to the Prophecy board in particular. Nice of you to join us. I'll apologize upfront in case I inadvertently cover ground that Dusty has already discussed with you at the other forum.
JAMES: The mark of the beast, or 666. Will be probably more than just a mark. But swearing allegance to the beast...
WC: We're in total agreement with you in this regard, James. The "mark of the beast" is seen by Baha'is as symbolic and not a physical marking being placed on people.
JAMES: Which is not a person but rather. A government. The anti christ will be the leader of that government.
WC: Again we're in complete agreement that the "beast" doesn't represent an individual but a governmental body.
JAMES: ...it looks more and more like we could see this in our life time.
WC: You have given some excellent examples as to why today's Christians might consider this a real possibility. Baha'is, on the other hand, from their understanding of Judaic/Christian/Islamic history and their relative scriptures, perceive this prophecy from Revelation as a precursor to the advents of the Twin Messengers, the Bab and Baha'u'llah (specifically mentioned in Dusty's post #6 and my post #9 above). There are many events in history, and in the present, that could seem to be relevant to certain given prophecies, but each prophecy is like the piece of an interlocking jigsaw puzzle. All of the pieces must fit together to perfect a picture.
After Moses’ prediction of the seven chastisements, Israel was conquered successively by the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, and then the Greeks. Both Daniel and then John refer to these foreign empires as "beasts". In Rev. 17 John speaks of the beast who 'was', beast who 'is' and the beast who was 'yet to arise'. The beast that 'was' were the Empires which had previously conquered Jerusalem; the beast who “is” was the Roman Empire in power at the time; and the beast 'yet to arise' had to refer to Islam, because it was the last to conquer and control Jerusalem.
“How long...And he said unto me, Unto two thousand three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.” (Daniel 8:13-14) Determining when the 2300 years would begin can be found in Daniel 9:24-27, the prediction of Christ’s first appearance and death. From the issuing of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem until the time when the ‘Messiah’ would be ‘cut off’ [crucified] is given in 9:24 as 70 weeks and in 9:25 as 69 weeks. The last or 70th week is qualified in 9:27 as: “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week...” (one week=7 days=7 years of Christ's ministry).
The decree of Cyrus (536 BC) recorded in Ezra 1 went unfulfilled. The decree of Darius (519 BC) recorded in Ezra 6 also went unfulfilled, as only the Temple was rebuilt. The decree of Artaxerxes in (457 BC), recorded in Ezra 7, saw the completion of Jerusalem’s rebuilding. Daniel can then be read as: “From the issuing of the decree of Artaxerxes in 457 BC until the crucifixion of Christ would pass 70 weeks, or 490 days/490 years." 457 BC deducted from 490 total years indicates that Jesus was 33 when crucified. Since Daniel said that 2300 years would pass before the abomination of desolation would end, the same decree of Artaxerxes in 457 BC was used to determine the second coming. 457 BC deducted from 2300 total years would be 1843 CE. Bible scholars agreed that from the issuing of the decree in 457 until the ‘birth’ of Christ would have been 456 years and thus arrived at 1844 CE, the first year of the Bab's ministry.
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james1961
3/31/2002 11:03 PM
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To W.C. I hope to get back with you tommorow, since it,s getting late. But I think that we agree on the fact that the bible often refers to governments a beast. In both the old and new testaments. And also more about the temple.
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