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manro55
7/17/2004 2:00 AM
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The position of Gaudiya (Bangladeshi tradition) - Dvaita perspective, refer below
http://www.dvaita.org/shaastra/iskcon.shtml
To: "'dvaita list'"
Subject: RE: ISKCON- What has been done?
From: Shrisha Rao
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:39:35 -0700 (MST)
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Ambarish wrote:
> From: abhishek rk [mailto:smartie_625@yahoo.com]
> Their actual Guru, Chaitanya,
> even behaved as a mAyavAdi; he refused to see the face
> of any king or woman as he feared. Isn't this an act
> of a mAyavAdi saying this world is false?
It might be, except that (i) "saying this world is false" would be an
inaccurate assesment of mAyAvAda -- "saying this world will be seen as
We should note, however, that Chaitanya's own performance in life was minimal, showing no signs of the j~nAna-kArya or bala-kArya that would be
consonant with the deific nature that was much later alleged of him. His various biographies, which were all composed by later authors who did not
know him personally, are all exercises in competing fertile imaginations and are not to be taken at face value.
However, it is of note that the Gaudiya interpretations of some Vedantic
texts tend at times to be much closer to Sankara's than to Madhva's,
though lip service is paid to the latter. A careful reading of
Prabhupada's 'Gita purports side by side with the commentaries of Sankara
and Madhva upon the same text would furnish dozens of such examples.
Similarly, on several key theological issues also the Gaudiya view is far less distant from mAyAvAda than from tattvavAda. For example the
`achintyatva' in the Gaudiya `achintya bhedAbheda' sounds exactly like the `durghaTatva' of Vimuktatman (claimed to be an "ornament" of the
mAyAvAda theology) that was pooh-poohed by the Acharya: alaN^kR^itaH
sadaivAyaM durghaTaireva bhUshhaNaiH, andhantamo nityaduHkhaM tasya syAd.h
vasanadvayam.h?
Regards,
Shrisha Rao
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Bdas
7/22/2004 4:19 PM
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The "dwaita list" is just an internet discussion forum full of diverse opinion--much of it rabidly sectarian. Neither do some members posting on the dwaita list think much of Ramanuja Vaisnavism. The prevailing opinion on the dwaita list is that only the Madhva religion represents true Vaisnavism.
And who is Shrisha Rao? Is he recognised in Udupi as a respectable or distinguished member in high standing of the Madhva sampradaya? Is he the acharya of a Math or have any distinguishing credentials whatsoever? Does his opinion reflect the official opinion of the Madhava sampradaya in Udupi?
The answer to all these questions is No! Shrisha Rao is just another sectarian preacher with a website. The fact that he or someone else who agrees with him happened to get control of the domain name dwaita.org doesnt mean that he or his cronies are the official representitives of Madhva Vaisnavism.
Madhva Vaisnavism is full of diverse opinion on the subject in question. Much of it is anti-dwaita.org
From:
Sri Shiroor Mutt, Udupi
Jadadguru Sri Sri Madhwacharya Peethan
Udupi, South Candra
Re: Mispropoganda in www.Dvaita.org between "Sri Madhwacharya and Chaitanya Pantha."
Sri Chaitanya Sampradaya is a branch of Madhwa philosophy. there are historic proofs to substantiate this fact. The sadhana achieved by Sri A. C. Prabhupada, Acharya of "Chaitanya Sampradaya" is to be welcomed by all Vaishnavites. It is due to him people all over the world have learned about Lord Krishna. This work should have been accomplished by Madhwa followers. But Prabhupada has served the world in propagating this cult. Even in the western world he has attracted a large number of devotees of Lord Krishna, through his discourse on "Bhagavat Geeta." The book on "Bhagavat Geeta" of Sri Prabhupada is allowed to be sold in front of Krishna Mandira at Udupi. This fact is known to all eight mutts of Udupi. As well as all devotees of Udupi Kshetra.
Therefore, the blame cast on Sri Prabhupada is to be deemed as the blame on Sri Hari, Vayu and Guru. This type of behavior is not to be found in a brahmin. As such, it is a bad affair to note that a Vaishnava has exhibited such a behavior. Such contradictory statements do create split in the Vaishnava Society and do not promote any good on the Society. Therefore we oppose the points relayed through the website.
Sri Laksmivara Tirtha Swami
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shrao
8/15/2004 4:49 PM
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It was somewhat amusing to read the tirade posted against me by bddas. It completely fails to address the points of difference between the Gaudiya view and Acharya Madhva that were previously shown, and instead consists merely of an ad hominem attack on a single person. As the ancients said, `yasya nAsti svayaM praj~nA, shAstraM tasya karoti kim.h?' -- what use is the shaastra to one who himself lacks intelligence?
To address it, therefore, I take recourse to what Sri Jayatiirtha, the great commentator, said: "I claim no more of this than that it is true." If someone wishes to reject it by finding fault with me, etc., that is their prerogative.
I do note in passing, however, that (i) the comments from the gosai.com website, which were fraudulently obtained by misleading the Udupi Swamijis, have been disowned by them, especially by the Pejavara Swamiji who gave a counter statement to dvaita.org and gosai.com (the webmaster of the latter showed his dishonesty by ignoring this); (ii) the dvaita.org website has been praised in writing as "atyanta stutya" on official letterhead by the late Palimar Swamiji, H.H. Sri Sri Vidyamanya Tirtha, under whose aegis the ISKCON position paper was prepared, and from whom I personally received the Krishna and Narayana mantras (see the web page for the Mahabharata Tatparya Nirnaya on dvaita.org).
Regards,
Shrisha Rao
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bdas
9/7/2004 2:17 PM
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I only claim as true that dwaita.org is not hailed by everyone as the official voice of Madhva Vaisnavism.
Even if, as alleged, that the statements of the Udupi swami's were "fraudently obtained" this still would not change the Swamis' basic written opinions that:
" Sri Chaitanya Sampradaya is a branch of Madhwa philosophy." Sri Laksmivara Tirtha Swami, Sri Shiroor Mutt, Udupi
AND ." it is evident that there exists a deep relationship between "Chaitanya parampara" and "Madhwa parampara." Sri Vidyavallaba Tirtha Swamiji
Sri Kaniyoor Mutt, Udupi
AND "Though there are minor differences among the two schools (Caitanya and Madhwa), deep study of these two schools show there are similar ideals." Sri Sri Vidyaprasanna Tirtha Swamiji
AND from HH Pejavara Svami, "I feel very proud that I am also connected to Swami Prabhupada. The message of Jagad-guru Madhvacarya and the message of Caitanya Prabhu are the same. Their messages are identical. And in this way, it is a confluence. Caitanya Prabhu actually gave what Madhvacarya gave, and thus I belong to Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's line. Therefore, I feel proud that Swami Prabhupada, who actually belongs to our sampradaya, has done such a wonderful job by distributing Krsna consciousness all over the world."
Rao would have us believe that these written opinions were in some way coerced and are not the genuine opinions of these Udupi Swamis. His allegation would mean that these Udupi Swami's are hypocrites who will say anything to please anyone.
/Bdas
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