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JAstor
10/5/2006 3:25 PM
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Fatah and Hamas may struggle for dominance, but they’re really after the same thing: the destruction of the state of Israel. Fatah (now routinely labeled “moderate” by mainstream media) is just prepared to wait a bit longer

Fatah member: Abbas recognition of Israel political; PA president's ultimate goal is to destroy Jewish state

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' stated recognition of Israel's right to exist is part of a "political calculation" aimed at ultimately destroying the Jewish state, a terror group leader and member of Abbas' Fatah party told WND in an interview.

The leader said the Fatah party does not recognize Israel and that any final accord that doesn't include flooding the Jewish state with millions of Palestinians will not be supported by the Fatah party and will lead to Palestinian civil war.

"The base of our Fatah movement keeps dreaming of Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jaffa and Akko," said Abu Ahmed, Fatah member and leader of the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades in the northern Gaza Strip. "There is no change in our position. Abbas recognizes Israel because of pressure that the Zionists and the Americans are exercising on him. We understand this is part of his obligations and political calculations."

...The US and Europe label Hamas a terror group, while Fatah largely is considered "moderate," in part for its purported willingness to accept Israel. The U.S. has given large sums of financial aid and weapons to Fatah since late Palestine Liberation Organization leader Yasser Arafat signed the Oslo Peace Accords with the Jewish state in 1993.

Abu Ahmed explained Fatah itself has never officially recognized Israel.

"It is the PLO, which is a separate entity, that recognized Israel,and this was a step, a tactical step that had as its goal to bring the resistance and the revolution closer to the lands of Palestine," Abu Ahmed said.

Abu Ahmed said Brigades members consider Abbas their legitimate leader and answer ultimately to the PA president.

"Of course we are loyal to Abbas. He is our elected leader. We would of course prefer if his policy toward Israel was different, but we understand his obligations and calculations, and we do not consider ourselves limited by these calculations," the terror leader said.

Abu Ahmed explained the difference between Hamas and Fatah is that the Fatah party "is ready to discuss a political arrangement for the Jews....



Paddyjoe
10/5/2006 3:54 PM
2 out of 16

Jastor

The leader said the Fatah party does not recognize Israel and that any final accord that doesn't include flooding the Jewish state with millions of Palestinians will not be supported by the Fatah party

Again the incompatibility between recognising Israel and
insisting on Palestinian right of return is noted.

(From the article)
"The Brigades is the declared "military wing" of Abbas' Fatah party. Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years..
...Brigades' leaders are members of Fatah. The terror group's founder, Marwan Barghouti, is an elected Fatah official and is largely considered one of the most popular Fatah figures. Several top Brigades members serve in Abbas' Force 17 personal security detail."

Of course we are loyal to Abbas. He is our elected leader. We would of course prefer if his policy toward Israel was different, but we understand his obligations and calculations, and we do not consider ourselves limited by these calculations," the terror leader said

IMO Abbas is either making a political miscalculation or is selling out the Palestinians.
If he recognises Israel's legitimacy/right to exist Israel will pocket the recognition and still refuse to negotiate,refuse to release tax revenues and insist the West witholds aid on the grounds that Abbas is not doing enough to combat terrorism.
Israel will get Palestinian recognition of it's legitimacy and give nothing in return.






bunsinspace
10/5/2006 8:42 PM
3 out of 16

BS"D

As in all things, Israel is legitmate because it exists. Whether it turns into a Ugandan killing fields or a true paradise on Earth is up to us.

I do not know of any vision of paradise where there exists oppression or dehumanization. I do not know of any vision of paradise that sustains acknowledged evils. But when evils are removed, all visions of paradise seem to be very much alike.

Things have changed in the world. In Herzl's day, political dreams were acted upon. In this age there are no dreams and politicians act only in their own short-sighted self-interest. Few poets, musicians, and other artists make odes to compare to the prophetic writings encouraging people to work for peace and the betterment of their people. They mostly prostitute their gifts in the employ of hatemongering and the propagation of evil stereotypes from generation to generation. Gone are the futurists (proto-fascists), the idealistic democratic socialists (proto-nazis), and the rest of those shining stars that tried to change the world. All we remember them for is the failures that overtook them (fascism, nazism, etc.) To be an artist in the employ of the word to come in this age is to be an outcast or simply ignored.

We look at another people and we see only Fatah and Hamas. They look at us and see only Zionism. The world will not change until we see real human beings again.



Paddyjoe
10/6/2006 3:39 AM
4 out of 16




Buns

The world will not change until we see real human beings again.

Whilst agreeing with the broad thrust of your post

I do not accept the statement that

As in all things, Israel is legitmate because it exists.


It has been pointed out that
"the right to exist" is not a term recognised in international law.

If so then claiming " a right to exist" must be to some extent claiming a moral right and therefore whether a state has a “right to exist” depends on the kind of state it is.
Nazi Germany and aparteid S africa existed but IMO were not legitimate regimes and did not have "the right to exist"





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