The Creation Museum misleads students about the scientific method. That's a terrible setback for science education.
09/24/2007 08:52:22 PM
@ defconamerica.com there's a bumper sticker that perfectly expresses the issue. "I went to the Creation Museum and all I got was stupider" I disagree with the author of the article, the only people that will take their children to this place are evangelicals and protestants. So these kids are being taught this silliness at home anyway. Kids these days aren't stuck in the 50's because of the internet. They're smart and practical. Personally I have faith that most of the kids walking in there will get as much of a chuckle as I did when I heard about it.
06/20/2007 07:40:52 AM
As a Christian, I to beilve this place is a joke. Its just built upon ignorance and lies which tries to brainwash little kids which are too young to think for themselves. It really sucks how fundementalists are getting america's spotlight on Christainity since its just the extreme version of it. Even Catholics beilve in intellingent design or at least old earth creatationism which is far more resonable. I agree hat this is just as bad for Christanity as it is for science.
06/03/2007 06:56:16 PM
FutureShy: Besides bourbon coming from Kentucky, it is the home of many great racehorses!
06/03/2007 05:01:59 PM
con't: The public school science teachers can just teach what they know and some of the creationist kids will dispute it, but at least they will be exposed to the 21st century's answers. Personally, I would think for us "non-believers" it might be a good laugh to see this place. Then I'd have to pay money which would support the place. No.
06/03/2007 04:55:21 PM
More make- believe (kind of like Disneyworld) caused by the Christian bible being taken so literally that the followers can't "wake up and belong to the 21st century". Do they not realize that the book was made up by men, human beings, to explain what they couldn't for so long, about how the earth was formed and how animals and people were made etc., then to promote their god's son? No. Well, evolution was proven, over many, many,many years, to explain some of the unanswered questions to people, but apparently there are still some who think that the scientists, archaeologists, and their research and findings are false, made up by atheists to disprove the 6,000 year theory and the 7 day theory promoted by their holy book. If the creationists are happy living in "La- La Land", that's fine. It is part of the freedom of religion that this country allows, that they could open their museum of make-believe and promote their beliefs.
06/02/2007 10:03:38 PM
This is another smoke and mirror event in the legitimate discussion between science and religion. I am an Intelligent Design suporter myself, and my struggle is over the misunderstanding of I.D. that is hyped by the media and distorted by Creationists. Let me plug www.arn.org here and check it out yourself. We do not deny evolution at all and do not seek the "God of the gaps" explainations. Some Creationists have latched onto I.D. and distorted it to campaign against teaching evolution in the schools, to our dismay. Will the world ever grow up?
06/02/2007 02:24:36 PM
$27 million to build this Quack Museum? I don't know what branch of Christianity these people belong to, but what a waste of money to promote ignorance, particularly to children. The Catholic Church accept's the Theory of Evolution and that is what is taught in Catholic schools. I genuinely feel sorry for these disillusioned Christians.
06/01/2007 04:36:55 PM
Wow, in the US in 2007! How embarassing. We are now officially a third world country.
06/01/2007 11:33:13 AM
Trying to brainwash children into believing that dinosaurs and humans coexisted, that the weathering of the earth's mountains and canyons took place over the course of days, that all scientists who study evolution are satanically guided...the fact that many Christians can't see why this might be a problem goes a long way toward explaining what's wrong with organized religion. Its just a business, designed to get money like any other business. I taught my kids long ago not to believe ads because they're just lies told to get us to buy things we don't really need. I guess the same can be said for most religion. Its just lies told to keep the offerings coming in. If christianity were truly "Christian", all money donated to "christian" organizations would be used to help people, not to entertain upper middle class home schooled kids whose parents can afford to drag them around in order to brainwash them rather than just keeping them isolated at home and church to brainwash them.
05/31/2007 08:13:42 PM
Henrietta22 and all, the designer of this place also said (see quote from my 5/31/2007 11:56:01 AM posting) that "humans [billions-OOPS, 'thousands' ;-) of years ago] are basically as you see them today." Why, that would make Raquel Welch's unforgettable 1960's epic caveman movie a documentary!! :-D
05/31/2007 08:08:25 PM
NEONATHEART My apologies, I tried to quote a Biblical number from memory – clearly it was the wrong one. I’ll have to get back to you on the verse I was thinking of. Or maybe somebody better equipped to dish out Bible verses could help. Anybody remeber which one(s) are used most often for defending the 'flat earth' idea? rmcq Scientists have been doing this since Galileo, Any person who’d push biased, one-sided research to guise their theories as fact isn’t worthy of the title ‘scientist.’ That was my point. These people are misrepresentation themselves, and twisting research to fit their preconceived beliefs instead of letting the research stand for itself.
05/31/2007 08:06:07 PM
Futureshy, thanks for telling about the cavemen and women that the designer of this Creationist Museum thinks are people's bones from N.Y.C. 6,000 years ago because he's seen people that look like them running around the streets of Manhatten! Wow! I can quit worrying about the bones in New Yorks Museum of Natural History now. O.K. people in N.Y. we can all laugh together, even the ones that look like cavemen and women, with diseased bones.
05/31/2007 07:51:01 PM
And the wildcats!
05/31/2007 06:30:05 PM
I think this goes to show the only worthwhile thing to come out of Kentucky is bourbon.
05/31/2007 05:30:14 PM
The LA Times had a great title for the editorial piece on this - Yabba Dabba Science. Couldn't have said it any better myself.
05/31/2007 04:43:06 PM
"These people do it butt-backwards; they start out with a belief, and then force the facts to fit their preconceived notions no-matter-what." This is nothing new. Scientists have been doing this since Galalaio, and it snot just limited to fundemantalists. How many times have we heard somebody complaining that a scientific determanation was based more on politics and greed than science?
05/31/2007 04:41:49 PM
Nightlad Mark 4:8 says "8Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up, grew and produced a crop, multiplying thirty, sixty, or even a hundred times." how does that insinuate that the world is flat?
05/31/2007 03:26:44 PM
“...What kind of Scientists would?” These people are not scientists and the pseudo-science they lip to sound ‘reasonable’ is a joke. A Scientist examines the evidence and THEN forms a belief (open to change) based on the current facts. These people do it butt-backwards; they start out with a belief, and then force the facts to fit their preconceived notions no-matter-what. Then, as a final joke, they say, “See? We were right all along!” There is a reason this museum does not address facts such as Carbon Dating (there goes the 6,000 year old theory), Mark 4:8 which claims that the world is flat, or basic genetics which prove that we did not all come from the same family (Noah’s). There is a reason they won’t go near the fact that China has a written and recorded history that goes back well past 6,000 years – the time they claim the ‘world began’! I could go on, but there is no need. These people have built a $27 million dollar IDOL to their own egos.
05/31/2007 02:24:23 PM
As I said below, I think this sort of ignorance of science is genuinely dangerous. I don't know what is worse: the type of ignorance of the people Jay Leno interviews for his "Jaywalking" (the other "Jaywalking") spots -- which appears to be the ignorance of the apathetic and overprivileged; or, the type of ignorance of the "Young Earth Creationists" which seems willful and based upon fear of living in the 21st Century. There was some excuse for medieval peasants who believed the earth was flat and that the lonely old woman who lived in the woods was a witch. I don't think there is any such excuse nowadays except willful and dangerous ignorance.
05/31/2007 01:16:23 PM
My favorite aspect of this museum and its sister site, Answers in Genesis, is that it relies so heavily on science for its affirmation. If they simply said, "It's our faith, and science be damned," I'd shrug. They'd be giving people a real choice. To paraphrase Groucho: Who are you going to believe, us or your lying eyes? Instead, they really, really want to believe that science--real science! not that s***they teach at Harvard--is indeed on their side, but something, something is keeping scientists from seeing through the lies or admitting the flaws in evolutionary theory. What that something is remains a mystery to me. I've asked YECs ("Young Earth Creationists") and other Bible literalists, and I've gotten answers ranging from, "Scientists are all atheists who are deceived by the devil," to "The devil is deceiving them," to "They're obviously brainwashed by Satan." OK, so the range isn't broad, but you get the idea.
05/31/2007 12:04:04 PM
Oh, and one more fact of interest, also from the Guardian article in my last post below: (E)ach [contruction worker] has signed a contract saying they believe in the Seven Days of Creation theory. So there you go...before one more fundamentalist whines about the rigid intolerance of "Darwinists" (aka scientists). Everyone who built the joint had to profess belief in creationism, presumably including the plumbers. (This place's slogan is "Prepare to believe." And visitors can also "Prepare to RELIEVE" without fear in a creationist-created rest room.
05/31/2007 11:56:01 AM
I came across this quote in a recent article from The Guardian, which I am pleased to offer you without any comment necessary: ...But what, I ask wonderingly, about those fossilised remains of early man-like creatures? [Museum designer Patrick] Marsh knows all about that: "There are no such things. Humans are basically as you see them today. Those skeletons they've found, what's the word? ... they could have been deformed, diseased or something. I've seen people like that running round the streets of New York." Copy and paste this link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1946370,00.html
05/31/2007 11:49:55 AM
Maylilly wrote: How will this museum "be a distinct hinderence to Science teachers."? This is answered very clearly from the op-ed itself: Science teachers in the tri-state area should be prepared to work with students who return from a museum visit believing that their world is 6,000 years old, instead of its true age of about 4.5 billion years. Visitors will hear that the Grand Canyon was carved out during Noah's 40-day flood 4,500 years ago, instead of eroding slowly over 5 million to 6 million years; that the flood God sent is the reason for the many fossils and the layers of rock that entomb them; and that radiometric dating is hopelessly flawed for evaluating the age of specimens. All these claims don't come from accepted methods of testing or evidence; they're based on circular arguments that originate in faith in a supreme being that can't be proved or tested.
05/31/2007 11:48:31 AM
What an embarassment for all Americans. Is this even legal? I mean, it's one thing to have a Disney type of amenity, it's another thing to say that Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck and other talking animals were real people.
05/31/2007 09:58:41 AM
Good question, Zeeker! That does seem like a huge amount of money. But consider what Jesus asks of Simon (Peter)and Andrew. They were fishermen. Jesus asked them to give up their entire potential for wealth and follow him. And others left their occupations as well to teach and heal. Still I don't expect to make $27 million in my lifetime, but asking for all we have is more important than the dollar amount. So the short answer is Teaching, Preaching and Healing.
05/31/2007 09:46:27 AM
WWJSP$27MILLIONO? What Would Jesus Spend $27million On?
05/31/2007 09:46:23 AM
How will this museum "be a distinct hinderence to Science teachers."? Teachers can't make their own science believable? Shifting the blame to a museum which teaches an alternate view is rediculous. If Science has irreputable evidence, it will stand on its own merit. Are the teachers really that insecure that they can't accept a questioning mind? I don't believe that the world was made in 6 of our time-as-we-know-it days. Perhaps "days" are ages, or eras in the development of the Earth. I don't believe lockstock in evolution. I believe in adaptation within the species, but also in creationism. That's just my view,I am not worried that teaching evolution might somehow damage my children's minds. The scientific method is essential in physical science. But the physical and spiritual realms don't follow the same set of rules in my opinion. Science likes to say, "Seeing is believing" Spirituality is more like, "Believing is seeing" I'm ok with that.
05/30/2007 08:55:28 PM
They the Creationists (Fundamentalist Christians) have mentioned in other articles that F.C. Scientists believe as they do. What kind of Scientists would? I suppose this museum makes them feel that they are doing a good thing and will put emphasis on their literal belief system, but it just won't help a true seeker, and it will be a distinct hinderence to Science teachers as they try to teach approved and true science to their students. Fundamentalist Christians will flock there, but I don't think many others will.
05/30/2007 08:42:21 PM
The idea behind this museum seems flawed . In that we know there was a huge space of time between the dinosaurs and mankind. I think if they want to make the case for dinos being on the ark well add a few aliens as well.
05/30/2007 08:42:04 PM
Anything claiming to be science needs to enter through the same door: peer review. Creationism and its offspring Intelligent Design (religion hiding in a lab coat) will not go that direction. Instead, they try to hide behind the 'culture wars' propaganda and sneak into 'science' through the bathroom window. They would have you believe, as does Ken Ham, that evolutionary biologists--excuse me! "Darwinists"--are all atheists out to destroy faith: An argument that the 'museum's' displays go out of their way to claim. Seeing as how a large portion of Christians has no problem with evolution, even teaching evolution in their college and university biology classes for what it is--the organizing principle underlying all biology--this reveals the culture wars and "evolutionists are atheists" stuff to be the lie that it obviously is.
05/30/2007 06:55:28 PM
I mean, can't you just see a future theocracy (pick your religion) using genetic engineering to eliminate homosexuality in the womb? A totalitarian regime can get along quite well with technology even if it abhors freedom of thought, scientific inquiry, and reason. Look at the Nazis...
05/30/2007 06:45:26 PM
There is no conflict between believing in "Creationism" and exploiting the technological by-products of scientific research in order to attempt to control nature. I'm not being "tongue-in-cheek" because I think believing in "Creationism" while reaping the by-products of science is truly dangerous. For instance, many Islamist terrorists see no contradiction between exploiting modern technology to implement their vision of a perfect Islamic theocracy. Believing in nonsense like Creationism leaves people more vulnerable to "value-free" science, IMO.