The Startling Spirituality of America's Founders

Were they Christians or not? Did they ask God's blessing as they founded America?

mzzc

07/06/2011 02:17:43 PM

Nowhere in my comments was there anything suggesting I "have my finger on the pulse of the absolute truth." I do question how sincere one's aspirations toward being Christ-like were when that person's love for mankind extended only to those who are male and of the same ethnicity as the aspirant. If you read my comments through, you would know that I believe the fact that the founding fathers were flawed, ordinary men makes their accomplishments all the more significant....all the more inspiring. Being of African, Native American and Irish descent, I come from a long line of peoples who were horribly treated by the allegedly Christian founding fathers. And one needs only to look at the colonial attitudes toward Catholics to know that being a Christian of "the wrong kind" was just as much reason for harsh treatment back than as being of a different ethnicity. I just wish there was more of the truth included in what is taught about who and what they were, but I said absolutely nothing about dismissing them as "an imperfect foundation." Telling the truth does nothing to denigrate this country or their contributions. It does, in fact, illustrate how far we've come, building on the foundations those flawed individuals left for us, in spite of their short comings. As for sincerity of faith; KKK members once called themselves "Warriors for Christ," and they were sincere in their faith and abominable practices.

Abambagibus

07/06/2011 01:30:50 PM

Before the era of the knowledge of microbes as a reality beyond the humanly natural perception of reality, blankets were initially an unwittingly generated vector of certain diseases toward the indigenous peoples of colonial America, and shortly thereafter. As to the specifics of its deliberate generation, the historical data is either nebulous or moot. MZZC, who would have us believe that she has her finger on the pulse of the absolute truth, would do well to provide us with the incontrovertible data that prompted her to be so definite on this matter. Also, how many Christians are Christ-like? At least, if truly sincere in their faith, they aspire toward becoming Christ-like, do they not? And, if our founding fathers were imperfectly Christian, should we dismiss them as an imperfect foundation, and thus dismiss the house above it to the fate of its logical collapse? Scilicet Ab Abagibus.

mzzc

07/04/2011 09:21:14 PM

Their faith was great, but it was anything but Christ-like. And it is ironic that they came here seeking religious freedom, and immediately began trying to deny Native Americans the right to live and worship as they had for centuries. Killing the indigenous peoples was considered ok...not a sin...because they weren't Christians. Among the hateful practices used, "gifts" of blankets infected with measles were given to Native American villagers; in some cases, to the same peoples who had helped the newcomers gain skills and knowledge necessary to survive here. Native Americans had no immunity to the disease, and the resulting epidemics wiped out entire villages, clearing the way for the newcomers to take over land they coveted. Additionally, the fact that many of the founding fathers...notably including Washington and Jefferson...held slaves, belies the common conception that they were strong believers in the equality of men. In their day, the "equality of man" meant specifically the white, landed gentry. That equality did not extend to non-whites, women, or common/poor white men. Our founding fathers gave the nation a strong start, and we continue to build on that foundation to this day. But by fudging the truth of who and what they truly were, we are missing the grand contributions of those who followed them, those who ironed out the wrinkles (so to speak) and built on what the founders started, to make this nation what it has become. Did you know that Thomas Jefferson had two families, one white and one black. And when he spent time in France, it was his black "wife" who accompanied him, not the white woman he married in a Christian church? And Benjamin Franklin once injured his ankle jumping out of a bedroom window to escape an irate husband who returned home earlier than expected. There are also letters in the archives in which Franklin speaks of having a bountiful harvest of hemp blossoms. The blossom harvest is only of importance if one intends to light up and "mellow out." No...I am not anti-anything or anyone. I just find the real truth..the REAL people, far more interesting than the hokum still being fed to our children in public schools. I love knowing that the founding fathers were human...not demi-gods...that they began something wonderful in spite of having the same kinds of petty foibles as the rest of the "common folk." They got the job done in spite of not being paragons of Christian virtue. So why can't we just tell the truth about them and the lives they lived? Ordinary men, with ordinary short-comings, who achieve greatness are far more interesting...far more inspiring than the nearly saint-like portrayals that are so widely accepted as truth now.

kthomas629

07/04/2011 12:30:21 PM

It's not that startling. Anyone who knows anything about our founding, would know that our nation was founded essentially for religious freedom. They left England to start their own colonies where they could worship as they chose, NOT as the King decreed. The Church of England was (and still is) ruled by the Crown and was declared to be the only recognized and accepted religion in Great Britian and her colonies, any other religious groups were viewed as heretics. Their faith was great, so great they were willing to risk it all for the freedom to live as they chose and to worship God freely.

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