The Martha Stewart of Atheism

Ellen Johnson, the successor of the 'most hated woman in America,' makes American Atheists family-friendly

Infidel_Jim

09/16/2003 02:50:53 AM

What makes you think that recent studies that link religious practice with health validate religion? Such a link is merely an observation... not a conclusion. Perhaps the social interaction of religion is a factor, and the non-religious could reap similar benefits by simply attending weekly meetings. Perhaps the delusion that you will live forever is soothing enough to have an effect. If so, I'll gladly accept my non-deluded (even if shorter!) life! But, to say that such a finding validates religion is quite a stretch!

cwgriesel

11/26/2002 01:07:45 PM

Interesting point about science. What about the other way around -- when science validates religion? Recent studies suggest there is a link between religion and health. (The Link between Religion and Health: Psychoneuroimmunology and the Faith Factor, Harold George Koenig, 2002) How would an atheist respond to this finding? 1) dispute the finding 2) point out that one can nurture a human spirit without acknowledging the existance of god 3) immediately devote his life to god and become a monk 4) something else? I don't know much about atheism and wonder how an atheist would respond to this type of finding.

SusanMukami

06/17/2002 08:12:15 AM

I would never be an atheist! why they have no public holidays, what do they do during christmas, easter, thanksgiving? Work or Study. Too bad they must live a boring life i think.

massatheist

04/08/2002 05:10:45 PM

btw, to any of you religious people, help me understand your attitudes toward science. you accept science in every aspect of your lives except when it conflicts with your religion. you drive your cars, use your cell phones, use your computers, accept medical treatment, etc. why is that science valid but the science that explains our beginnings isn't ? it's the same science, folks. either accept it completely or reject it completely, but please quite being hypocrites and accepting it only when it benefits you.

massatheist

04/08/2002 05:07:53 PM

atheism isn't dull. the reality of our universe is incredibly interesting ! there's no need to introduce some concocted omniscient omnipotent being. also, atheists have more freedom .. and yet we behave more "morally" (see crime statistics). atheists simply don't need the crutch of fantasy figures. we don't need to know the answer to "how did i come to be here". we don't need a "purpose". we don't need to pretend that if we behave well and accept certain religious tenets that we will live forever. we're quite comfortable with our mortality and our insignificance in this universe. it's very liberating ! and life is wonderful. we enjoy the same kinds of things religious people enjoy .. travelling, art, architecture, music, nature, friendships, etc. again, no need for gods.

tachobrach

03/28/2002 07:32:19 PM

Atheism in itself is pretty dull. It's like vegetarianism: definition by privation. Give me a real Hindu over a vegan anyday, and let me meet a humanist or a communist that will challenge me instead of a (yawn) plain vanilla no-godder anytime.

Lone_Wolf

03/18/2002 02:02:50 AM

Where are the nihilists - the only atheists with the courage to match their convictions? Some days, I think man needs to be deluded to be half way civilized; without ontological meaning, all bets are off.

goobie

10/15/2001 06:38:40 PM

Atheist philosophy comes down to this: nothing has any meaning, thereby having no objective importance. Therefore, why form an Atheist foundation (excluding narcissists like O'Hair)? Wouldn't it be futile? Heck, why put up this page! Aren't we just "preaching to the choir?" What a waste of this fleeting life!

goobie

10/15/2001 06:29:21 PM

So, what happens when you die?:)

FaithNoMore

06/15/2001 01:42:01 PM

David Gibson paints a pretty sad portrait of the O'Hairs: "Then, in 1995, she disappeared from her Texas home, along with her son Jon Garth Murray, 42; her granddaughter Robin Murray-O’Hair, 32; and $629,500 in American Atheists’ funds." What about the fact that they were slaughtered (dismembered), apparently the victims of crime, rather than the perpetrators of embezzelment as his half-story suggests? This is crap journalism that even Newark, NJ, doesn't deserve. Gibson should stick to reporting Baptisms and obituaries, leaving real news to real journalists.....FNM

jpopphan

03/13/2001 05:53:16 PM

Atheists do not hate god. How can you hate something that doesn't exist? Atheists are just frustrated with the closemindedness of many theists when it comes to examining their own religion and religious beliefs.

jpopphan

03/13/2001 05:52:39 PM

Atheism for me was the only choice after examining the truths of religion - or rather, finding all of the holes and lies in religious explainations of history, biology, cosmology, etc. Ellen Johnson is a brilliant woman, and I am very glad that she is carrying on the work of O'Hair as the leader of American Atheists. She is well spoken and represents the Atheist movement well. Madalyn O'Hair was also a brilliant woman whose writings are a pleasure to read. I would encourage anyone interested in her to visit the American Atheists website (http://www.atheist.org) and read more about her and her struggle for Atheist civil rights and church-state separation. Theists often feel offended at how Atheists interpret religious belief systems and perceive intolerance when any criticism is made of their religious practices. I am continually surprised by it - and find that no matter how valid the criticism, many theists will cry intolerance and hate.

Mushukyou

10/23/2000 04:42:40 PM

kanzeon... I'm sorry, but theists are less than 95% in America. Atheists are about 15% - if not more...? I know for sure that atheists are way more than 5%. An atheist is just someone without belief. There is no "real" or "fake" atheist. And yes, atheists are a minority. Atheism isn't a movement.

Mushukyou

10/23/2000 04:33:41 PM

tancef... O'Hair did get prayer banned. As it should be. Public school isn't church time. It never should be. If you want to pray at school, do it in your own head.

kanzeon

06/12/2000 07:03:12 PM

But, uh, Jim.... if people didn't die, of what use would Christianity be? Christianity *is* predicated on death. So, one can well say Good Friday is predicated on death. Now, let's get to the "zombie" part. Webster defines zombie as "the supernatural power that according to voodoo belief may enter into and reanimate a dead body." Now I think (unless you're prejudiced against voudun) that you can connect the dots. You may not like it, it's not all sweetness and light, but it *is* an arguable critical position of Christianity. I guess your remarks about her indigestion imply that you don't tolerate her descriptions of Christianity. Well, I for one had no problem with her description, although perhaps the metaphor was a bit mixed. Tell me, do you object to saints being used to stand in for Orisha's indenties in Santeria?

Jim

06/12/2000 05:51:21 PM

You shouldn't have to, blink. Hate is wrong when it's done to your folks and when done to mine. What riles me is when people are so intolerant even while demanding tolerance.

wishfulblinker

06/12/2000 05:28:02 PM

lighten up jim. i'm pagan and i regularly have to listen to good christians remind me that my deepest personal beliefs are the work of a devil i don't believe in. laugh it off, i do.

Jim

06/12/2000 04:16:54 PM

I have no problem tolerating other beliefs or disbeliefs. I have a problem with people calling my greatest holy day a "zombie festival predicated on death." That is indeed acidulous. And it scorns the tolerance it demands of theists.

kanzeon

06/12/2000 03:06:21 PM

(2 of 3) The article states: "For one thing, America remains a fiercely religious country. An estimated 95% of Americans consistently profess a belief in a higher power. Social surveys from the past 20 years indicate less than 1% of Americans consider themselves real atheists, certain that God and an afterlife do not exist. And atheism, like Marxism and pacifism, remains a luxury of the privileged. Atheists are largely white, older, and well educated; hardly any minority members or anyone under 50 attended the Piscataway convention." So what? So atheists need to popularize their movement. Isn't that just what Christians do?

kanzeon

06/12/2000 03:02:17 PM

Even in this article, sad to say, we traces of the rampant bigotry against atheists in the United States. Even beliefnet posters have to call atheism "the same old acid reflux." As a Buddhist, I am comfortable with atheists, Christians and others. If only that were the case with other religious groups. (cont.) (1 of 3)

Jim

06/12/2000 02:33:38 PM

Ellen Johnson may portray herself as the un-O'Hair; but when she opens her mouth, it's the same old acid reflux.

lancef

06/12/2000 07:24:05 AM

Why do people continue to push the myth that Madalyn Murray O'hair got prayer banned in public schools? Prayer is not banned in public schools. Never has been. Since O'Hair (who was only 1 person involved in the case) won the suit public supported prayer is banned in public schools, as it should be since it violates the constitution. But prayer is still allowed and still goes on and is perfectly legal (as it should be.) And to say that O'Hair "was atheism in America" is ridiculous. The article contradicts itself later by pointing out how marginalized she was in her later years. She wasn't a significant force for years before her disappearance. And of course no article would be complete without misconstruing "real" atheists as those that are "certain that God and an afterlife do not exist." Such a believe does not make one a "real" athiest. All it takes is a lack of belief in any gods.

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