Between Allah & Jesus, Part 2

See how the story unfolds between a Christian and a Muslim as they debate Jesus and Muhammad; the Bible and the Qu'ran; and theology and religion, in part two of this book excerpt from "Between Allah and Jesus" by Peter Kreeft.

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“But that cannot be, because the Qur’an and the New Testament contradict each other about Jesus.”

“I’ve answered that argument already, Evan. That’s because you do not have the Gospel that Allah sent. You have the one that has been changed and corrupted by heretics, by the people the Qur’an calls ‘associators’ because they associate Jesus with Allah as his Son.” “But doesn’t the Qur’an say that no man can change the words of God?”

“Yes, that is exactly what it says (6:34).”

“Then how could God have allowed the associators to change his words?”

Now it was ‘Isa’s turn to say, “I will have to think about that.”

Evan pressed his attack. “Doesn’t the Qur’an call Jesus ‘God’s Word’? ”

“Yes, that is in the Qur’an (4:168). But not ‘God’s Son.’ ”

“So tell me, is God eternal, or does he have a beginning?”

“God is eternal, as we both well know.”

“And did God ever exist without his Word? Was God ever wordless? Was God ever dumb?”

“No. God is not imperfect. God always has his Word with him. But God is only one.”

“Then God and God’s Word are one, not two.”

“That is what we believe. There is only one God. ‘There is no God but God.’ ”

“That is what we believe too. So why do you call us associators?”

“Because you say God’s Word is God’s Son, and you say that that is Jesus. But Jesus is the prophet of God’s Word, not God’s Word. If he is on earth, and human, he cannot be also in heaven and divine. And if he is in heaven and divine, if he is God’s eternal Word in heaven, as you say he is, then he cannot be also a human prophet on earth. That is illogical and contradictory. We believe no such contradictions.”

“It is not a contradiction. It is only a paradox, an apparent contradiction.”

“Well, it certainly seems to be a contradiction. We are more logical than you. We do not believe in paradoxes like that.”

“But I think you do. I think that you believe something just as paradoxical,” Fr. Heerema interjected.

“No, we do not,” ‘Isa answered. “Our Prophet is human and not divine, and our God is divine and not human.”

“But what of your holy book, ‘Isa, your Qur’an? You believe that it is the eternal unchangeable truth and the eternal Word of God, do you not?”


“So there is a heavenly Qur’an, an eternal Qur’an, in God’s mind eternally?”


“But there is also an earthly Qur’an, which you read and recite.”

“Yes . . .”

“So how is the earthly Qur’an related to the heavenly Qur’an? Are there two Qur’ans or only one?”

“Only one.”

“So the same Qur’an is both earthly and heavenly.”

“But it is the same Qur’an, one Qur’an, not two—one truth, not two—one divine Word, not two.”

“Whether it is in heaven or on earth?”


“Well, that is what we believe about Jesus. So if we are associators, so are you. And if you are not, then we are not either.”

‘Isa did not have an immediate answer to this, and Fr. Heerema continued: “ ‘Isa, do you see this book I am carrying?”


“What is it?”

“It says ‘The Qur’an’ on the title page. But it is not the Qur’an. It is a translation of the Qur’an. The Qur’an is in Arabic, not English. A translation of the Qur’an is not the Qur’an. All it can do is communicate some of the meaning of the Qur’an.”

“And why is the meaning of the Qur’an not the same as the Qur’an?”

“For the same reason the meaning of the ‘Ode to Joy’ is not the same as the ‘Ode to Joy.’ ”

“An interesting comparison. Do you mean that you can’t translate Arabic into English as you can’t translate poetry into prose, without leaving something behind?”

“More than that. The ‘Ode to Joy’ is not just poetry but song. It must be recited. That is what the Qur’an is: recitation. The book in paper is like directions for the book in the human voice, as sheet music is directions for music that is played, or as the words of a play are directions for the actual performance.”

“I find that very interesting. So the Qur’an is more like a play than like a novel?”

“In that sense, yes. But it is not a book of stories, like your Bible. It is a book of eternal truths.”

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