A 'True Revolution of Values'

Martin Luther King, Jr., warned America about the danger of unquestioning national pride. How far have we come?

natureboy_the0

01/28/2008 12:53:04 PM

Interpret the symbolism of Genesis 49:8-12 as the United States and you will see that Dr. M. L. King, Jr is the forerunner of the 2nd advent of ha'meshiach. He took open discrimination out of this nation so the ha'meshiach can travel it. He (ha'meshiach) was also provided the U. S.Constitution Article 3, Par. 2 title of "Public Minister" which caused all police departments to protect him. Therefore, yes Dr. King is a prophet to this country.

Senmut

01/15/2007 06:34:13 PM

Good point,Dawud5. This whole worship orgy of King is misplaced and annoying, especially when there are so many more deserving of veneration. And the poll! Anyone notice how none of the questions were negative? How balanced and impartial.

davidchai

01/20/2006 02:03:58 PM

cknuck, Thank you. The feeling is mutual.

cknuck

01/20/2006 01:23:00 PM

davidchi I am happy to agree with your post. Thank you for your passionate position, even if we often disagree I am proud to share the earth with you and people of your caliber.

watsy

01/18/2006 10:49:05 PM

Dawud5, I can't tell you how much I enjoyed reading your post. I think the most amazing thing about MLK was that he never encouraged/promoted violence in violent times.

Dawud5

01/18/2006 06:18:05 PM

When one submits to God's will . There actions are not their own. Surely King did not intend to give is life or be murdered. He had to at some point come to that fact that his cause may cost him his life. This is a basic premise at that time in america. For many were slain in the name of civil rights. Jesus did not come in a purpose to have the same misguided followers of GOD'S message to betray and take his life. Through the result of it his purpose like Kings, GOD'S glory was made manifest.

Dawud5

01/18/2006 06:05:57 PM

I think that is the sad part of our respect for Doctor King. We have let society sell us into a false sense of sacrifice. We cannot fully understand the life of a man, who must make sacrifices for the greater good of man. Many of think that because ;we belong to our organizations, We worship in assembly, and we pay tithe or donate money that we are making sacrifice. A true revolutionary recognizes that they must go beyond the the norm to make progress in a struggle. Martin Luther King in the decipleship of christ realized that to truly serve and help the oppressed people of the world. He would not only sing the praises of christ but that he had to follow his footsteps. Mark 8-34Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 35For whoever wants to save his life[c] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it.

Dawud5

01/18/2006 05:44:24 PM

Martyr-(1)One who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles. (2)One who makes great sacrifices or suffers much in order to further a belief, cause, or principle. Martin Luther King along with Malcolm X and coutless others who did not receive recognition exemplified the true strength that each of us possess. The spirit to stand up for something greater than our own meaningless agendas. If only more people would take the time to truly examine the messages that ALL of GODS PROPHETS have delivered to us, to guide us to the ways and knowledge of god.

davidchai

01/18/2006 05:24:23 PM

mrschlappi, You obviously have very little education in US history and civil rights history to think that his speech was all that he did (although his speech alone, and the demonstration in DC that it was given at, was a major milestone in US history.) Dr King did far more than that. Also,to insinuate that Dr. King was assasinated to martyr him is not only obscene but goes against the proven facts. Dr. King was already an entire chapter in US history before his murder. Had he lived or had he died of natural causes he would still be at least the hero and inspiration he is his today and most likely would have accomplished even more great things and be even more of a major chapter in US history (if that were possible.)

mrschlappi

01/18/2006 05:10:55 PM

I am unable to understand why all this fuss over a man named martin luther king great he made a nice speech and he was killed because he must have made some one mad or to make him a martyr i think it was to make him a martyr to push the cause otherwise he would have faded into history as a footnote

jeffeff

01/18/2006 06:40:42 AM

More than any other person, Dr. King inspired me to claim Christ as my Lord and Saviour. Others also influenced me. However, Dr. King inspired me. His courage, clarity an conviction regarding a vision which challenged the evils of racism, nationalistic pride and social injustice gave me hope that a better life and a more honest faith could be found. Today I grieve the apparent inability of current "Christian" leaders to see beyond their own self interest. I long for the larger, deeper vision of Dr. King.

watsy

01/17/2006 01:44:34 PM

Martin Luther King was a charismatic man who understood the will of God to be that of justice for ALL. I believe that he knew the Spirit within him and let it be his guide(at least in terms of seeking justice). He was a Christian. Christians who are guided by the Spirit are spiritual people. Not all people who claim to be guided by the Spirit are guided by the Spirit. It's by the fruit that you know them. What is good in the eyes of the Lord is not a secret. Love, justice, peace, mercy, and compassion have been revealed as being good in the eyes of the Lord by prophets throughout time. Martin Luther King was a Christian prophet. Most people know MLK as a person who fought for the oppressed in the USA. This article points out that MLK's fight for oppression went beyond our borders.

Henrietta22

01/17/2006 12:53:51 PM

cknuck, You said, "no man of God worth his salt would be interested in controlling the government". We seem to have many men "not worth their salt" at this time in America if you believe your statement.

davidchai

01/17/2006 09:46:42 AM

tovart, Interesting point.

tovart

01/17/2006 09:42:27 AM

I saw him as more of a spiritual man, as opposed to "religious." His eloquence and wisdom combined to make his speeches universal enough to be accepted by all, he could speak to even those who did not believe in a Godhead.

davidchai

01/17/2006 09:23:33 AM

cknuck. You and I will have agree to disagree. I understand your viewpoint and respect you and your conviction. I and many other see him a both. And see it as a good and positive thing. Peace.

boomergrl

01/17/2006 01:33:37 AM

It is most unfortunate that the church has not taken Dr King's legacy to heart. Jesus first taught it by acknowledging women and people of different races. Simon of Cyrene helped Jesus carry his cross. Likewise in the church race/gender should be no issue. We should seek to help lift our brothers and sisters up, regardless of race, gender or skin color. According to Hosea4:2 and the gospel of Paul Acts 17:26 and once saved we are of one blood as children of God in Christ. Acts 21:38 Paul was asked if he was an Egyptian at his trial. Peter was admonished for not wanting to go to a Roman's house, Acts 10:10-23. Jesus added only one commandment to the 10 and that is we love one another.

nnmns

01/16/2006 09:16:17 PM

He was a giant. It's not often enough a talent for oratory is attatched to a moral mind.

wifeinlove

01/16/2006 09:15:43 PM

Im wondering what you mean by pushing religion down peoples throats.

cknuck

01/16/2006 09:04:48 PM

"when a religious leader does good things and does not try forcing his religion down people's throats" Unfortunately most folk don't realize that this should be the norm for true Christian leaders. A Christian leader who dedicates his or her life to Christ is never secular; everything such a person does is always to the glory of Christ. He is an ambassador for Christ and can never be considered secular.

davidchai

01/16/2006 08:48:28 PM

You seem to be assuming that being a secular leader precludes being a religious leader or even a religious person. That is not true. A good man like Dr. King could be both, and at times the two overlapped very well.

davidchai

01/16/2006 08:46:47 PM

I never said it cahgned who he was. I was just saying that he was both. He is proof that, when a religious leader does good things and does not try forcing his religion down people's throats, that he also can be a very effective secular leader too. He is proof that an honestly held religious belief can help to bring forth social rights for all people. The fact that he is considered both is very much to his credit and to the credit of how he demonstrated and elucidated his beliefs.

cknuck

01/16/2006 08:41:02 PM

While it is true Dr. King had no interest in religion controlling government, he was a religious leader and a minister. It is just that the secular world recognized through his elegant, truthful and factual position on injustice, it doesn't change who he was. No man of God worth his salt would be interested in controlling the government.

davidchai

01/16/2006 09:43:41 AM

type, "nothing that he said can be implied to mean that he would support denying rights to others" Gods bless Dr. King!!

davidchai

01/16/2006 09:22:05 AM

As I said, he was BOTH a religious and secular leader. Being BOTH makes him the greater person in the eyes of ALL people. To be a religious leader alone makes him less worthwhile of admiration in the eyes of those who do not follow his religion. And nothing that he said can be implied to mean he would support deny rights to others. "Free at last" applies to ALL people, not just those who believe in your God or those who live thier lives according to your standards. Nothing he said supports religion controlling government though.

wifeinlove

01/15/2006 09:29:22 PM

Of course he was a religious leader. He was a Baptist minister. If you read his speeches and writings you can see how often he referenced God. "Let us be dissatisfied until that day when nobody will shout "White Power!" — when nobody will shout "Black Power!" — but everybody will talk about God's power and human power." "...God is love. He who hates does not know God,.." "...we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!" "A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God."

davidchai

01/15/2006 09:32:05 AM

The real issue is that regardless of where he got his views he stood for, fought for, and according to his wife, believed in, EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL PEOPLE. Period. To my understanding he also opposed a religiously based government. He felt, correctly, that religion was a private thing, and that forcing one religion's view on the others was wrong.

davidchai

01/15/2006 09:28:13 AM

I would argue that he was both a secular and a religious leader.

brigletts

01/15/2006 09:05:03 AM

cknuck, Thank you for saying what I was trying to log in last night and say. It is obvious to me that some in this forum who have made comments about Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King didn't know much about him. He was not a secular leader he was an ordained minister. I was a young girl when he died but I can remember seeing him on television and hearing his speeches. One thing that I was well aware of was that he was a minister first and foremost who decided to accept the calling that God had placed upon him. It wasn't an easy decision for Martin to become involved the way he did in civil rights. But when he realized that this is what he was being called to do he accepted it knowing that because of the climate of this country he probably would not live to be an old man. Secular leader, I think not.

Beliefnet_Tiger

01/14/2006 11:36:48 PM

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cknuck

01/14/2006 10:24:03 PM

I'm afraid there was nothing secular about Martin; he was a Christian to the core and built his principles on the Christian faith and the Bible. All of his speeches were biblical. His education for those of you who oppose Christian schools, was of seminary credited. Along with Dr. there is another title he goes by and that is reverend or pastor.

LivingEZ123

01/14/2006 09:07:55 PM

David & Henrietta: Not being a dogmatist, but only seeking rational ways to comply with the laws and constitution of the United States, while at the same time respecting the fact that no one will show up for work on Dec. 25th, I came up with what I thought might be a practicle solution to this enigma, Christmas as a secular American holiday, celebrating the life of a Judean of the Jewish faith. I now acknowledge that this was not a perfect solution. Martin Luther King should not share a day with Jesus. David’s suggestion is well taken. We should just have a national open day, with pay. There should be no government sponsored Christian religious celebration. People should be free to celebrate as they see fit in retail stores, homes and/or churches.

davidchai

01/14/2006 06:37:00 PM

Living, I do not think that changing the date would be a good thing. I do not think that Christmas should be a national holiday but it should remain an open date for those who celebrate it. Dr. King was a great secular leader whose religious beliefs inspired him, as they do many people who do good for the sake of good (and not for the sake of evangelizing.) He could find (and have heard did find) his inspiration not only from his bible but from many sources. There is no one like him in a social leadership position the USA today.

Henrietta22

01/14/2006 06:31:17 PM

Living123, Martin Luther King would be appalled at your suggestion.

LivingEZ123

01/14/2006 05:44:42 PM

After reading this article I am convinced we should honor King on December 25th. He embodied the spirit of the day, yet is an American whom people of any or no religion can respect. His is legitimately a “secular” figure. By honoring him on the 25th of December with a national holiday, we acknowledge that the Christian majority take the day off anyway. But by removing “Christmas” from the secular national holiday calendar, we avoid constitutional problems of government endorsing religion. There would no longer be any problem with taking “Christ” out of Christmas. Christians would be free to honor Jesus in their homes and churches. At the same time King would gain the recognition he deserves.

protestant_irish

01/14/2006 12:04:18 PM

I think Martin was man who had great moments, but fail in his marriage vows. I hear that fbi had bunch of informtion on how he cheated on his wife. After I hear that I realized he was no saint. Still what Dr King did for usa and world is not meaning less even if he cheater. His message of justice and equaly for all is something usa still missing. raisct is no longer goverment fund, but still when I see a white woman grab her puse when she go near a black man. it truely sadden my heart to know things really have no change so much.

anarchy

01/14/2006 07:02:00 AM

Dr. King is truly one of my heros from history. His message of nonviolence, pluralism and socal justice is a great lesson for us all. It is a true shame that we lost him so early in his life but his legacy lives on in our hearts and souls. May God bless and keep him in heaven for all eternity. One day I hope to see Dr. King's Memorial in Atlanta, God willing.

maggiejack

01/14/2006 04:28:58 AM

Martin Luther King was a man of peace,with a vision for his country and the world, sadly for all of us his vision has not come to pass, and we can only reflect on what may have been possible had Rev. King lived.

windbender

01/14/2006 04:27:13 AM

King, in no small part, is to be credited with the Civil Rights movement having sought Justice from the powerful, rather than for them. Had that not been the case and had non-violence not been the standard (on his side of the conflict anyway), the price paid would have been very much higher and a whole lot more ugly.

Strawberry_Fields_Forever

01/14/2006 12:11:14 AM

Without the influence of people like Reverend King,America would still bound by the shackles of its Civil War.

jd70

01/13/2006 07:46:54 PM

One can only wonder what shape our country would be in without Dr. Kings influence.

davidchai

01/13/2006 07:30:25 PM

May all the deities of the world look after Dr. King's spirit. He was an inspiration to all civilised people.

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