A 'Friendly Fight' Between Two Cardinals

Mideaker

04/27/2002 02:10:00 PM

Recent events e.g. priest pedophiles for now exhibit the need for a hierarchy of authority and organizational leadership. The U.S. cardinals and bishops have an irrational bent to solving this problem. A pope is necessary to tell clergy and laypeople he knows publicly;he has called pedophilia a sin and a crime.To me,this is the most base of homosexuality. However,it will take time,prayer,and health application to set realistic guidelines. Evidently,"numquam duo" in the early formative training quickly evaporates. This news today is the tip of the iceberg. Wait and see is our reaction.James Mideaker

sabai_89

10/21/2001 01:35:11 PM

You go, Fr.G!!!

PrickliestPear

06/10/2001 09:43:34 PM

Kasper is one of my heroes. Ratzinger is, well...not. I sincerely hope Ratzinger has his way. While a decentralised authority would be ideal (more compatible with the teachings of Christ, less prone to the perpetuation of erroneous doctrine, etc.), keeping power centered in the Vatican will hasten the fall of the papacy and the curia as we know it. Vatican II was a bandaid that has slowly been ripped off over the last few decades. Another Council would get things done -- but only if the reactionaries of the curia aren't able to interfere.

OmeyT

06/09/2001 05:49:52 PM

The needs of the Church require centralization of power. The Church has trusted each Catholic to listen to the voice of Jesus dwelling within them, but as individuals alienate themselves from the Church and her teachings, they lose the ability to connect to Christ. In order to prevent the further spread of heresy and errors within a laity that is increasingly unCatholic and priesthood that abandons basic principles. And with increasing frequency, these people have great influence in our communities and cannot be combatted. The smaller group, the regional churches, cannot control itself and must receive instruction from the large group, the universal Church. We Catholics are part of one universal Church, members of one large community. We dwell within that community, not that community within us. It's time to let the faithful realize this, and time to correct the errors of a liberalized Church. This is not America. The Church is not meant to be a democracy. It is meant to be the voice of God.

abkar

06/03/2001 03:39:35 PM

Actually, in some ways, Paolo, Greeley is conservative in that manner. However, he does not trust Republicans, as they do not understand the underpinnings regarding the Catholic Social teaching on subsidiarity. For Catholics, the highest good to be preserved is the human person in relation to other human persons. Republicans mix that ideal up with capitalism. He at one point had great admiration for Bruce Babbitt, because he applied subsidiarity to Arizona water management.

TeriRogers

05/25/2001 08:20:57 AM

The authority of Jesus is not the authority of the world: it is a call to mutuality in service and seeking the greatest good for those served. To be healthy, the Body of Christ must trust Jesus in whom we live, move, and have our being. We must Trust Jesus living in those who serve and are served. We must trust Jesus living in all our brothers and sisters in Christ. Always and everywhere we must trust Jesus. The magisterium must trust Jesus living in each Catholic, each Catholic must trust Jesus living in the magisterium. All must trust Jesus. Movements to give or remove power and authority based upon fear and mistrust of our brothers and sisters in Christ are not of Christ. Jesus asks that we remain one in Him -- this takes extraordinary faith in Him. For me, the fact that Catholics trust Him enough to remain one in Him is beautiful testimony to the faith of Catholics and His presence amongst us.

PaoloSpada

05/23/2001 09:57:13 AM

The concept of "subsidiarity" is fascinating! I'm sure Fr. Greeley would apply this principle to his politics as well--not allowing the state to do what local government would do or allow the federal gov to do what the states could do. Which, of course, makes him a good...Republican.

Bratsa

05/22/2001 10:28:02 PM

Also, while I am not familiar with Cardinal Kasper, his buddy Cardinal Karl Lehmann is an outspoken dissident who has even called out for the pope's resignation. It was a big surprise that HE was recently given the red hat this year. It is a big mystery to me why many prominent appointments are given to these types.

Bratsa

05/22/2001 10:23:39 PM

I do not think a more "collegial" church is needed. From what I have seen on these boards, in America rogue bishops and priests with far left agendas have already alienated their dioceses from Rome stopping close of schism. And in the process, alienated their own disgruntled parishioners from the church. In Bavaria (Bayern in German) Bishops hold more power then elected officials according to what some Bavarian German friends friends have told me. Whatever the case, I still think a good centralized church is what we need right now. Especially in the light of what the church is like in America today.