Bible Scholar

10/17/2007 03:39:09 PM

I believe the three Bible-based religions portray women in a very bad light, as they portray them as seductresses and the source of all evil and sin's entry into the world. These teachings have been the root cause of much of the abuse women have suffered at the hands of men. The "Execution in Iran" documentary is just one example of religion's abuse of women. I am creating a church for women only. This church will focus on the strengths of the Biblical women and their great contributions to the accomplishment of God's Work. For more information, go to: www.biblicallyincorrect.com Then, go to Past Shows and Essays and read the essay, "The Woman's Ecclesia". I can be contacted through that website.

Bible Scholar

10/17/2007 03:32:00 PM

I believe in The Creator Who assigned the Name, Yahweh, to Himself at the time of the Exodus. I believe The Creator created the God, Yahweh, as the Persona behind which He would create a world free of Tyranny. The Creator does just that: He creates. And, I don't believe the Creation process will be complete until the world is free of Tyranny and all mankind lives in Peace in the Paradise yet to be created here on earth. These are just a few of the things I believe.

lgno

05/19/2006 02:48:05 PM

We are not the judges.It is among jane and GOD.Thank you.

OmarKhayyam

03/21/2006 01:08:57 PM

Oh, Jane! Say it ain't so! Self delusion scores again.

Donnaop

02/09/2006 11:29:20 AM

I love Jane Fonda! Jesus loves Jane Fonda. Let him/her who is without sin be the first to cast a stone at her! The Lord does not condemn her so why should any one of you!

KMB524

08/29/2005 01:15:05 AM

Go Jane GO Jane Go Jane Go Jane! Yea God Yea God Yea God Yea God!! Enjoyed the interview. Another Feminist Christian

danashields

08/05/2005 04:40:05 PM

Nobody can tell how excited I am about this topic, can they?

danashields

08/05/2005 04:35:59 PM

WOW. I just re-read the article where Mr. Turner said Christianity was a "religion for losers". And isn't that rich irony? He apologized!! Because it is nothing but that. Read Jesus' Sermon on the Mount: He essentially said, Blessed are the Losers. Mr. Turner had no idea how close to the truth he was. Now he can say it with love in his heart instead of arrogance.

danashields

08/05/2005 04:11:12 PM

By the way, I would heartily recommend attending Jimmy Carter's sunday school class, even if you don't consider yourself "Christian". He frequently teaches in Plains. He, the former first lady, and the whole of Plains are generous and kind. And it's cheaper than shopping :)

danashields

08/05/2005 04:07:50 PM

When my wife & I moved to Overland Park, KS in 2000, everyone wanted to talk to us about "shopping". They glowed when they mentioned it. It was actually sort of weird. When my wife & I moved to Atlanta last year, everyone wanted to talk to us about their "sunday school class". My dad was a neon sign maker, so I've learned to appreciate signs of all sorts: Atlanta beckons us to change. So I can see why Jane Fonda would grow in the direction she did. You have to be either blind or defiant not to.

carolpillow

08/01/2005 09:41:17 PM

I think that Georgia is a very spiritual state and I would love to learn why. I say that having living there a composite of about fifteen years.

dalonzo2

07/19/2005 12:23:20 AM

As a Veteran it was not easy to forgive here for her actions during Vietnam. But if Christ forgave me for all the sins I have done And died on the cross for me for it. I would be wrong for not forgiving her. And she stood up and told the world of Her faith. Dan

KittyL

07/05/2005 05:26:33 AM

I'm proud of Jane and the fact that she "admits" to being saved. I can remember feeling totally awed by the power of God when I had first heard that she was saved. The so-called "feminism" in the Bible that she so lovingly refers to is the fact that Christ treated women as equals! Shes' on the right track,and I certainly am no one to cast a stone.

miklostj

05/25/2005 06:59:17 PM

I've been very moved by Jane Fonda's testimony. Alot of people still hate her for her seditious actions during Vietnam, myself included. But now I realize what a miracle God has done in her life and I find her faith inspiring. I believe she is going to touch alot of people and that she will do great things for God. I think it's time Americans forgive her and christians accept her as she is; a rich, liberal, controversial, beautiful, feminist, Jesus-freak. She's a true testimony that Jesus is not just for conservatives and fundamentalists but for everyone. In all walks of life.

nnmns

05/12/2005 12:26:52 PM

Somebody at Beliefnet has an immense interest in Jane Fonda. But I can understand that, after Barberella I did too.

godisaheretic

05/03/2005 10:39:35 PM

thefish "God created men and women at the SAME TIME side by side through evolution." that's an easy spiritual truth... how can so many persons miss it? Jane Fonda is agreeing with you, I'm sure... and she's helping the world to take notice... peace. David

Beliefnet_Tiger

05/03/2005 01:46:19 AM

Part of the discussion has been moved to Moved from: 'Christianity Is My Spiritual Home' Jane Fonda on the US Current Events board. As a reminder, I would ask that all members please restrict their comments to the topic of the accompanying article. Thank you, Beliefnet_Tiger Beliefnet Community Monitor

unicornucopia

05/02/2005 08:23:15 PM

By the following quote, "I believe she is sincere. And I suspect she will learn that feminism has no place in true faith" I meant to say "feminism has no place in neo-con churches, that's for sure".

thefish

05/02/2005 05:27:10 PM

"And I suspect she will learn that feminism has no place in true faith." That's funny! After my "experience" with God, one of the things God enlightened me on was the FACT that WOMAN did not come from the rib of Adam...that is a story/myth/fantasy. God created men and women at the SAME TIME side by side through evolution. If the world would stand up and take notice, then mysogeny would cease to exist and women would be able to live their lives like men do...totally under THEIR OWN control....which was granted by God...free will, you know! We have it to...not just men! Peace <

eastcoastlady

05/02/2005 08:58:31 AM

She married a French Jew who screwed up her mind. God knows that even most of us don't. We're known for doing that. feminism has no place in true faith. Says you. May of us would beg to differ.

GinnaRM

05/01/2005 12:51:16 PM

She married a French Jew who screwed up her mind. God knows that even most of us don't. At this point, I try to not be judgemental of Jane Fonda. Our Lord loves her enough to call her to salvation. That is an awesome spiritual intervention by the Holy Spirit. We cannot be so petty as to hold on to those terrible misdeeds of a young, mixed up mind all those years ago and overlook this incredible thing God has done for Jane Fonda. I believe she is sincere. And I suspect she will learn that feminism has no place in true faith. Ginna

nnmns

05/01/2005 10:38:24 AM

"...she just made a movie and wrote a book and Beliefnet is giving her free advertizing......" It's what Beliefnet does, and a good thing, too. Why else would people put up with the criticism most of them get here? But it leads to some good discussions.

imdancin

04/30/2005 12:11:51 PM

"Have North American Christians made gods of their own thoughts and beliefs?" Simply put, yes they have. America now takes god out of everything, and has made himself God.

Janat10

04/30/2005 08:05:35 AM

Jane! I know you are a celebrity and feel as if you can be an expert on everything....Please, take your time, get to know The Lord and what He believes before you come out and make statements about Christianity. God does not impart His holy wisdom upon you after one encounter...it is just a beginning. Be careful lest you confuse others. Please don't try and make Christianity fit your belief system...which is human and not what God is all about.

jeffeff

04/30/2005 06:25:38 AM

Even though I don't identify with many of Jane's experiences, I find myself intriqued and inspired by this article. I feel touched by God's ability to move and work beyond the hateful, bigoted attitudes of many in organized religion. I find it instructive that several of the posts that I read lack appreciation for God's power at work in Jane's life and seem so very much enamored with one's own opinion and criticism. Have North American Christians made gods of their own thoughts and beliefs? To me, this is the very spirit that drives Jane out of organized religion in search of a more abundant connection with Spirit.

JohnDeem

04/29/2005 09:07:35 PM

Jane mentioned her dad’s parents were Christian Science practitioners, but she was raised as an atheist or agnostic. As a Christian Science practitioner myself, and just for the record I’d like to ad that Christian Science is a deeply Christian, Bible-based religion. We seek to follow not only Jesus’ teachings but his example -- as he clearly expected all his followers to do. Like Jane’s experience we may not fit with certain Christian interpretations that have developed over the centuries, but seek to prove our Christianity through our deeds, and practice of healing through prayer as early Christians did.

jacknky

04/29/2005 02:46:53 PM

indancin, "You cant justify what she did because others have done worse." But I can put the emphasis where it belongs. I can emphasize our leaders whose goals were to mislead us into a foreign war. They lied to us. This isn't partisan, I'm talking about Democratic and Republican administrations. There INTENTION was to start a war by lying. Jane Fonda's INTENTION was to stop an unjust war. Big difference.

trustygma38

04/29/2005 01:47:11 PM

LETS HOPE JANE DOES BELIEVE IN GOD THE SPIRIT, JESUS THE MAN (SON)WHO DIED FOR US. WHY IS SHE AFRAID TO SAY SHE IS SAVED? SHE IS INTO FEMINIST? SHE RESPECTS THE BUDDHISM, AND THE JUDAISM BELIEFS? I THINK SHE HAS A LOT TO LEARN ABOUT JESUS AND HIS WAYS. SHE BETTER STICK WITH THE GOOD OLD KING JAMES BIBLE! EVEN THE NEW SO CALLED BIBLES ARE LEAVING OUT A LOT OF TEACHINGS: THE NIV HAS LEFT OUT 64,576 WORDS OF GOD. THE BIBLE, THE WORD OF GOD (KJV) WARNS AGAINST TAKING AWAY AND ADDING TO HIS WORD. REVELATION 22:18-19. JESUS TAUGHT THE APOSTLES, THE APOSTLES WROTE MOST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. TIME TO WAKE UP AND REALLY SEARCH FOR THE SALVATION JESUS SENT! ACTS IS THE EARLY CHURCH. ON MORE ABOUT OTHER BIBLES GO TO www.av1611.org

imdancin

04/29/2005 02:46:45 AM

Romans, I do agree however......although we have no right to the intimate details of her private life, she by writing this book, places herself in front of us. She goes to book signings, has appeared on television, does interviews... It is because she is a celebrity and has lived this shaded past that we find her so interesting. I was at the book store the otehr day and sat and read a few chapters. She reveals very intimate things about her life. Even her sex life with Ted. I do believe probably she is saved, but if she didnt want to talk or discuss any of this, she would disappeared, and she wouldnt have wanted to share her story at all. God Bless.

businesmn9

04/29/2005 01:30:15 AM

I am very happy for Jane Fonda and her faith in Jesus. She may not always be correct, however, she defintely says what she believes. I am also a liberal democrat who worships Jesus Christ. Jane Fonda "kind of" reminds me of Mary Magdeline, she has made her mistakes but she wants to get it right before she dies. Mary and Jane are excellent role models for everybody. Many may not know that there is a Gospel (obviously not included in the Bible) according to Mary Magdeline.

unicornucopia

04/28/2005 06:39:09 PM

TrudyD, you said, "Jane did the right thing by not going to church anymore. The only thing you get there is more distortion and lots, lots of gossip! " And I might add, that's the only place you find the devil! I've come to believe the devil lives in churches.... Perhaps the devil gives churches a weapon of fear to keep the money flowing into church coffers. All I know is that Christ did not have a church building, that all the resources were in a common pot and each person took from that pot according to what he or she needed. Sounds to me like Marx read the 4 gospels too....

ern1

04/28/2005 05:00:08 PM

Credo in unum Deum---but that one "Deum" is what researchers have posited----"Consciousness is what God is." I found this substantiated in a quite valid way in the book "What If---", by E. Dorsey. (Amazon or B&N) As yet I have heard no negative comments about it. Mayhap no one has read it! or mayhap readers agree? Have a joy-full NOW ern

TrudyD

04/28/2005 04:38:41 PM

Archangel 53 wrote that the gnostic gospels are not the best source of information about Jesus or his teachings because they were written by men who had never met Jesus, walked with him, or even talked to him. I'm appalled that a clergyman like you (specially a Baptist) do not know that the apostles who wrote the traditional gospels had not met Jesus either and that these gospels were written about 70 years after Jesus was dead (more or less, I'm not sure about the time). Then you mentioned that the apostle John opposed the early gnostic teachers which proves the gospels were written about the same time, maybe earlier. To my understanding, all of the gospels could've been distorted since they were all written long after Jesus died. I wish all you churches stop confusing people. Jane did the right thing by not going to church anymore. The only thing you get there is more distortion and lots, lots of gossip!

ZOEY888

04/28/2005 02:59:57 PM

This interview by Lisa Schneider for Beliefnet is a perfect example of what an interview is designed to do---enter the gut of the person being interviewed & pull out their personal, deepfelt viewpoint. So---Curious---what did you expect Ms. Fonda to talk about other than her own deeply personal gut-view? And to whoever brought up that she must be new to this faith -- she admits her faith is new to her. This child in Christ needs encouraging rather than finding fault, throwing verbal stones & judging her for her past. Who among us is perfect?

archangel53

04/28/2005 01:18:45 PM

Nobody is perfect...Jane Fonda included. We ALL need forgiveness. Her interview was interesting...but it has the sound of someone at the very beginning of the journey and stumbling as they go. Don't we all. The gnostic gospels who were written much later than traditional gospels and by men who had never met Jesus, walked with Him, or even talked with Him. They are not the best source of information about Jesus or His teachings. The fact that the Apostle John opposed the early gnostic teachers speaks volumes of their later distortions of the Christian message. It is a long way from the gospel of John to the questionable gnostic gospel of Thomas. Sounds like she must have visited some fundamentalist churches and they scared her away from a more moderate/centrist understanding of scripture. Anyway...I am happy she has found her spiritual home in Christ.

hoefer

04/28/2005 11:06:07 AM

I found Jane Fonda's interview inspiring and motivational. She IS helping others by sharing her own experiences. She confirmed a lot of what I am going through in my own spiritual walk. It's not only confirming but relieving to hear someone of maturity and celebrity pontificating their own struggles with faith. It's also very brave to put it out there for everyone to see.

curiousdwk

04/28/2005 10:35:58 AM

I find it interesting that in the entire interview, all she talked about was herself, her feelings, her actions, perhaps her relationships. Not once did she mention how her new found faith in Jesus meant anything as far as helping other people. If my faith doesn't help me to help others, what good is it? I'm not at all impressed with her faith.

kjonson

04/27/2005 08:33:09 PM

As someone who believes they are a born again Christian but who is also someone effected by Ms. Fonda's unfortunate position and difficult stand on a war that was public policy in this nation, I always will have problematic emotions about her. I have listened to what she has said and, frankly, I am impressed by the depth of her belief. One cannot construct belief-it must be deeply felt and I believe that is where she is at. However, her actions during the Viet Nam War were so egregious that while we might forgive we can never forget. It has nothing to do with with the legitimacy of the war but more to do with the legitimacy of the people/warriors/men/women that fought in that war. My brothers and I did my job and served our country and did not deserve to feel that we were less than what we were. Ms. Fonda has expressed reservations and regret for what she did and I accept that and forgive but will never forget the damage that it caused. God bless.

unicornucopia

04/27/2005 08:16:23 PM

Dear Vulcan4u who said "Ms. Fonda and her newfound beliefs are merely representative of the life path she has chosen, the ...family in which she was raised, the familial disconnect and ...a lifelong of wanting. You want that long, you will usually latch onto something. Even an invisible all - loving 'Father'. Oh, Henry, if you'd have just embracd her a few times ! " Beautiful. You put it all in a very wise and humorous nutshell. I loved it and, Aha, I saw the light of Truth -- in more ways than one. Thank you so very much.

windbender

04/27/2005 07:12:35 PM

"If my Lord can forgive me for the things I have done, I can learn to forgive others..." imdancin rocks!

unicornucopia

04/27/2005 06:10:39 PM

Dear Colossians3_12: I certainly enjoyed reading your post [is feminism 'spiritual'] and I admire what you said, especially that Cady Stanton’s concerns about the “contemptuous and degrading” Church teaching regarding women led her to reject traditional Christianity. I also agree that modern Christian feminists feel exactly the same way. And while I never rejected Christ-consciousness, I do reject organized religion for this very reason.

unicornucopia

04/27/2005 05:54:09 PM

This is for Theory54 who says "I have known that Jesus message was strong in equality, but I certainly wouldn't tag it as feminism" but I certainly would. After all, 'feminism' only means "the theory of political, economic and social equality of the sexes" even though it is also "organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests" as well.

nrthtexasgal

04/26/2005 08:30:10 PM

What a wonderful thing to hear about Jane Fonda that she has accepted Jesus as her Savior and is born again. Tears filled my eyes and I was overjoyed to learn that she knows Jesus and is a follower of Him. Praise God!!! It does not matter who we were or what we did in the past once we accept Jesus as our Saviour and are Saved we are forgiven of every single sin and He remembers it no more. None of us is without sin, no not one single person and to even say that we are worthy to judge another's sin makes us sinners even more. Jane I am so happy for you and God Bless You in your brand new life in Jesus our Lord!!

unicornucopia

04/26/2005 07:58:06 PM

Dear Jane: I am so sorry to hear about that veteran spitting tobbacco on you. However, kudos for being so gracious about it and not even filling charges. More important, however, I was intrigued by what you said about "I think feminism is about the spirit. I think feminism is another way of teaching what Jesus taught, that we are all full human beings with the right to have our humanity seen and respected. That is what feminism is, and that's what Jesus taught." I certainly will read your book to see what you discovered about liberation theology!

imdancin

04/25/2005 07:11:43 PM

watsy I agree. You said, "I think that born again experiences that last are usually from a person searching and finding. I've known non-Christians who became very spiritual and it was life transforming. It sounds similar to what the Gospels described. And, it sounds like it's what Jane has found." You should read the book, "The Way OF The Master." by Josh Cameron and Ray Comfort Really changed my mind about witnessing and how I was doing it. And what you say is so true, that alter conversions might not be genuine, but rather emotion driven.

imdancin

04/25/2005 07:11:34 PM

Both hurting and happy people need to be shown their sinful state before God so they will seek after the rightoeusness that is in Christ. We should do what Jesus did when confronting sinners. He made the issue one of righteousness rather than happiness,(Mathhew 5:20). He used the Ten Commandments to show sinners the rightwous standard of God. (Mathhew 5:17-37) I hope Jane is very much aware of her sinfuless in Gods eyes. Sounds like she gets it, but only God knows how we really feel. All we can watch for are a persons fruits. He forgave her as we MUST. He forgave me, and forgives me day after day after day.

jacknky

04/25/2005 03:38:29 PM

winterstar, wonderful posts. I totally agree with you.

winterstar

04/25/2005 03:23:57 PM

Nor do I feel that those who believe differently are fascist monsters, or anything like that. I am curiuous to see if Jane will be accepted by a certain brand of Christian: those who hate her political beliefs, but profess to a similar belief in Christ. As I asked previously, why should a basically symbolic mistake be more unforgiveable than actual killing & bloodshed?

runegurl

04/25/2005 02:59:02 PM

jane, to me, is like an embarrassing older aunt, who thinks she is being cool by showing up and trying to "connect" by revealing painful details about her life you'd really rather not hear, in an effort to show how she's really just like you and shares your experience. she isn't, she doesn't, and it sort of embarrasses me to see her spilling her guts YET AGAIN on stuff that really isn't anyone's business and hardly anyone really truly cares about. remember when eating disorders were all the rage and she came out with the public confessions about how SHE had an eating disorder? that's the kind of things i'm talking about. she's doing all this because she is shilling a book, and she has a new movie coming out soon. that's it. she has a motive. it's not like she's just opening up with no profit to be made. feh. i am not impressed. rune

giladan

04/25/2005 02:40:11 PM

I think everyone will aggree that repentance is an essential part of salvation. Hebrews says' "where ther is no repentance there is no salvation," so perhaps Hanoi Jane can contibut $X millions to Viet Nam vets or make a movie memoralizing the vets. I cannot judge her salvation that is not my place but as a Christian I am called to be a fruit inspector and how sshe displays the fruit of the Spirit will tell a lot.

wleader

04/25/2005 12:18:57 PM

Hi I'm new to the group. Great to see that there are many who understand the concept of forgiveness, modeled by our Lord and Saviour Jesus.I for one need to remember my own sins,which by the way I still struggle with. I also need to accept the forgiveness that Christ paid for on the cross. I pray that Jane will come to know Jesus more and more in her life for His glory.. not anyone elses. It seems as if the seeds have been sown, planted and watered.. It will be interesting to watch the way Christ grows the fruit.

bunsinspace

04/25/2005 11:50:01 AM

BS"D I am very happy for JF. I thank G-d that she has a place and that place is not with the Jewish people. Perhaps age has moderated her actions, but it has not brought with it any notion of regret.

theory54

04/25/2005 11:24:00 AM

I am delighted that Jane is making her way to Christ. For a few decades I have known that Jesus message was strong in equality, but I certainly wouldn't tag it as feminism. I don't know if the story about Jane handing the papers over to the N. Vietnamese officer after she received them from the POWs she was visiting is true or not, but for the ex-soldier to spit in her face recently was a despicable act. If it would have been brought to trial when it happened and proven true, she should have been tossed from the country as a traitor. However, it wasn't and perhaps for good reason in God's eternal plans. At this time in her life we should welcome her with open arms and affirm her faith with love and tenderness. I know she would not pay attention to someone such as me, but perhaps there are other readers who have celebrity influence who could make it happen and bring her into their confidence with support and care.

akbusch

04/25/2005 11:05:45 AM

Sure, achristian, sometimes we do receive the consequences of bad choices we have made. God doesn't always spare us from that. On the other hand, let's be honest: How many of us have done some pretty bad things, and we basically got away with them without really suffering any consequences? I can think of one right off--our incumbent president and his "youthful indiscretions"! I strongly disgree with your comment about her not retaliating. Whether she deserved it or not, it was a horrible, disgusting thing that was done to her, regardless of how one feels about her actions 30+ years ago, and she should be commended for obeying Jesus's command not to retaliate.

achristian

04/25/2005 10:53:42 AM

I rejoice at Jane Fonda's acceptance of Christ. While I may differ with her, or other fellow Christians on specific theology or philosophies, I welcome her to join in our walk with Christ. However, we shouldn't honor her for not retaliating against the bitter vet, for she was only reaping a small portion of what she sowed. There is no honor when we are persecuted for our sins (1 Peter 2:20). As someone who believes Christ, she is cleansed from her sins before God, but sometimes God allows others to afflict us to bring us to a full realization of the hurt we caused. For King David, it was Shimei from Bahurim, that cursed him (2 Sam 16). We all have made mistakes and carry the memories of them, and we should all be thankful that not all of our mistakes and their consequences are played out before the world.

colossians3_12

04/23/2005 11:53:18 PM

[is feminism 'spiritual' conclusion] But within the suffragist group as a whole, Cady Stanton was also perceived to be radical in religion. And in fact by her death (in 1902) she had been deposed as the leader of the movement precisely because of her religious views. So it’s clearly an error to associate the Christian orthodoxy of the entire movement to that of some its leaders. But to argue on this basis that Cady Stanton’s “heresy” invalidates the women’s suffrage movement (and early feminism) as a spiritual, or maybe it would be better termed a moral, movement is just plain wrong. These were women who took Jesus’s radical ideas about the value of all people very seriously indeed. In fact they embraced Paul’s words wholeheartedly: “There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. [Galatians 3:28]”

colossians3_12

04/23/2005 11:51:39 PM

[is feminism 'spiritual' continued] Cady Stanton’s position on religion was certainly extreme. Her concerns about what she called the “contemptuous and degrading” tone of Church teaching in regard to women led her to reject traditional Christianity. Quite frankly, many modern Christian feminists feel exactly the same way. I myself rejected Christ for years for this very reason, until I figured out that Jesus and traditional Christianity are NOT the same thing.

colossians3_12

04/23/2005 11:50:20 PM

So tlf doesn't think the femininist movement started out as a spiritual movement? The women’s suffrage movement which represents the beginning of modern feminism grew out of the abolitionist movements in England and the U.S. Were both movements opposed to common “religious” practice and in that sense “heretical”? You bet! The church of that time supported both slavery and a complete lack of legal rights for women! [You can claim authority for the Bible all you want, but PEOPLE sure don't get it right.] Both the abolitionist and women’s suffrage movement were diametrically opposed to this debased version of Christianity. [more]

andrewcyrus

04/23/2005 07:28:36 PM

I can relate with Jane's journey and the God incidents she has had. I am certainly not one to pick apart a heart felt testimonial to Christ ans the working of the Holy Spirit in another persons life. Jesus showed himself first to Mary Magdelene on his resurrection, anot to those jockying male disciples. However was Mary Magdelene odediant unto death in her witness to JESUS and living in his words. I suppose the gospels leave her journey out. Jesus gave up fame and fortune for the cross. He gave all so that even the poor would have a chance at salvation. I am glad that JESUS loves Jane and I pray that Jane stays within that love by abiding in his words.

Vulcan4U

04/23/2005 07:02:21 PM

Ms. Fonda and her newfound beliefs are merely representative of the life path she has chosen, the product of the family in which she was raised, the familial disconnect and likely a lifelong of wanting. You want that long, you will usually latch onto something. Even an invisible all-loving "Father". Oh, Henry, if you'd have just embracd her a few times!

tlf

04/23/2005 01:17:22 PM

"The feminist movement started out as a spiritual movement" Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Well don't tell Elizabeth Caddy Stanton or Matilda Joslyn Gage that!

watsy

04/23/2005 11:50:06 AM

""born again" is not done by words... it happens in the heart of a person who has a spiritual awakening..." That's what I believe it means to be "born again" too, David. If Ms Fonda is confused by that, I believe it's because many evangelicals use the word in a different way. I believe that Ted could have been saved 7 times in the evangelical sense. Based on the various books that Jane has mentioned as being meaningful to her, and based on many things that she said, I believe that she feels a fullness of spirit that was absent before. Isn't Jane close to 60 years old? Do we need to keep talking about something that she did in her 20's?

JerryWhite

04/23/2005 08:29:35 AM

I have some reservations with regard to Ms Fonda being 'saved' or understanding the true meaning. Much of this is becaue of her reference to Ted Turner being 'saved' seven times and twice by Billy Grahm. This indicates to me she does not have a full understanding of what 'saved' means and who does the 'saving.'

godisaheretic

04/23/2005 12:18:13 AM

Jane Fonda seems to be a good example that there is no single "correct" religious way to be "born again" as Jesus says we must... for instance, Jesus never said we must say "the sinner's prayer"... "born again" is not done by words... it happens in the heart of a person who has a spiritual awakening... but then words can show a change of heart... Jane Fonda obviously has had a great change of heart... sister imdancin, words are powerful... don't you think? peace. David

imdancin

04/23/2005 12:02:40 AM

Who picks up stones and casts them at Bush?Who will be big enough to admit they do? I pray Jane has become spiritual and born again, like she claims. and that the Lord will help her during the tough times ahead. she will need to lean on HIm.

watsy

04/22/2005 08:45:50 PM

Jane, Don't worry. Being born again or saved is not going to make you a hateful and vindictive person. If you attend a church and you hear the phrase "they" more than "we", run for your life.

jacknky

04/22/2005 03:33:54 PM

As an atheist, I think Ms. Fonda's comments here reinforce my suspicion that religion is not as much a search for truth as a search for relief from suffering. Unlike Ms. Fonda, I find great meaning in the teachings of the Buddha.

watsy

04/22/2005 02:18:35 PM

I'm very happy for Jane. It sounds like she's just discovered that she's a spiritual being and nourishing that through a relationship with Jesus will bring her much peace and joy. I wish her well on her journey. The problem nnmns is that you only see the public face of Christianity and it isn't pretty. It could be what kept Jane away from it for all of those years, and then when she was able to get around people like Jimmy Carter, she saw that you can be intelligent and have faith in God. Focus on the Family doesn't represent most of Christianity in this country.

nnmns

04/22/2005 01:28:42 PM

It seems modern Christianity is for those who have. It leads people to vote for those who take away from the poor to give to the rich. And who allow the large corporations to abuse our world (some would say God's Creation). And who split our country in order to win another election. Modern Christianity has become a tool to convince good hearted people to do things against their and the American people's interest.

mbstruss

04/22/2005 01:14:13 PM

--- believe Fonda "IF",,,,she has repented to God and asked Him into her heart, and He has made her a new person, that she is saved and forgiven by HIM. -- And what "IF, IF.." we would quite acting like God and trying to dictate what is the requirement for someone to seek and find him? Judge not that you be not judged (remember that line?).

akbusch

04/22/2005 12:54:02 PM

I couldn't agree more, or say it better, Christianlib. And we wonder why so many skeptics question the genuineness of the Christian message. Hey, I can easily understand the bitterness of many, many vets. My brother is a 'Nam combat vet. He put his life on the line for what he believed, and he still bears the scars from that chapter in his life. But this sort of thing is what makes the Gospel the Gospel. If it were easy to forgive the sinner, it wouldn't be the Gospel. Jane Fonda, or Jane Doe down the street, is loved and died-for and, upon repentence, forgiven just as much as a 'Nam vet or me. Easy? You kiddin'? It cost our Lord His life! And while He was dying, bearing the sin of the world, He prayed "Father, forgive them...." Do you think THAT was easy?

Christianlib

04/22/2005 12:43:10 PM

How can so many claim to have GOTTEN forgiveness, without appearing to have LEARNED any forgiveness? You are not the judge--

imdancin

04/22/2005 12:07:34 PM

I believe Fonda "IF",,,,she has repented to God and asked Him into her heart, and He has made her a new person, that she is saved and forgiven by HIM. Gods promise works for everyone. I judged her actions......I am in no way trying to judge her heart. But if she has become new, we should see the fruits start to appear. I am not so sure, that after all was said and done, that if I had caused the devastation and heartbreak that she caused millions, and I knew the bitter feelings that people had over my actions, I would not try to capitalize on a book. I saw her being interviewed by Paula Zahn, and she never mentioned one word about being born again, or much about her faith. I saw her interviewed by Larry King, and when he mentioned being born again, she avoided it, and sorta laughed. I am not saying she is not, I pray that she is.

imdancin

04/22/2005 12:07:15 PM

She was asked in the article What role did religion play in your break-up with Ted Turner? Is this why you split up? She replied, that it was one reason. Jane ought to read what the scriptures say about divorce and what her role is to her husband. Stop thinkin about all the feminists in the country and focus on her role as a wife. God was against divorce. She should have continued to be a Christian wife to Ted, regardless of his faith. I live with someone who doesn’t share mine. I still do what I am suppose to do as God commands me. Who knows if she has stayed with him, and he witnessed what the Lord was doing in her life, that Ted also might have changed. God puts us places with unbelievers to be witnesses.

imdancin

04/22/2005 12:06:58 PM

Read about Leslie and Lee Strobel. He wrote the best selling books, Case for Christ, Case for Faith, and many other books about mismatched marriages. His wife became a believer, he was an atheist and through her actions that he observed over a few years, he also changed. Look at him today. One of our foremost leaders in the apologetic field.

imdancin

04/22/2005 11:45:42 AM

seekpeace I think Jesus would far prefer that Christianity is for sinners. Which include all of us. If you ask someone, Do you think your a loser? Most people will say no. If you change the word loser to sinner, most people would say yes. I do not consider myself as a Christian a loser. I am a gainer. I have gained so much through Christ and what He did for me. I shun sin, I have accepted Christ, I am not a loser. I have gained what Christ promised me, eternal salvation in him. By your statement you make it seem that everyone is a loser for believing in HIm. When in truth your really a loser for NOT.

seekpeace25

04/22/2005 10:55:37 AM

I am grateful for Jane Fonda's speaking of her faith. As a WASP Christian I have so much to learn from feminists. I wish that more Christian men could be secure enough in themselves to listen to the powerful and faithful voices of women. One of my favorite images of God is of my Nana growing up, in the kitchen making a feast and including me in her cooking. The God who birthed all life, who created the whole earth and said "this is very good" reminds me of how Nana (my grandma) would taste each food we had made and pronounced it all "very good." By this image of course I don't mean to perpetuate the idea that a woman's place is in the kitchen. I just think that there are all sorts of ways to envision God, the source of all life and still be a faithful and an orthodox Christian.

seekpeace25

04/22/2005 10:43:35 AM

"Christianity is for losers?" In one way this isn't an entirely false statement. Remember the guy that we Christians are following got executed for challenging the political, religious, and social status quo. Jesus hung out with the oppressed and challenged everyone to see the humanity in their supposed rival, their supposed enemy. Jesus got in deep trouble for doing and saying the things that he said and did. Jesus embraced losers of all kinds. Through the incarnation, God's eternal Word became flesh taking on human form. Thus in a way God became a loser for us. Jesus calls us to a way that will challenge the status quo, will challenge us to love our enemies, to see the image of God in strangers and in the oppressed. Christians are called to embrace losers, we are called by Jesus to "feed his lambs". We are called by Jesus to care for the least of these, the losers, the poor, weak and vulnerable, the orphan and widow.

edelphi

04/21/2005 08:03:05 PM

I have read a couple interviews with Jane Fonda recently and the thing that jumped out at me was how much she seemed immersed in her own little world, but she comes across as particularly self-absorbed in this one. I hope that in time religion thing will become more than a void-fill and challenge her in the way she relates to the world. At the very least she needs to find some other liberal Christians to share the journey with and get outside of her own head a little. If not in real life, get on Beliefnet or some other internet discussion community anonymously.