Between the Church & the Honky-tonk

Bishop T.D. Jakes explains Ray Charles' music and faith were both products of the spiritual community he came from.

TenableBelief

10/08/2006 08:31:24 PM

While this was a good movie that told the story of the adversity faced by Ray Charles, I didn't really see it as a morality play. Hotel Rwanda had a much more powerful and uplifting (yes, uplifting) message: Everyday Humans, in the face of horrible atrocities, can find some small way to help others. And sometimes, those same Everyday Humans may have to put themselves and their families in harms way to do so. The outcome may not always be positive but none of us are guaranteed positive outcomes anyway.

Datbury

02/28/2005 03:26:46 PM

I also thought this was an excellent review although some of you seem to have not either read the review or wanted to simply find another christian to bash, but I digress. I would have liked to have seen a multiracial review of this movie here, though.

rbethell

02/28/2005 11:43:30 AM

T.D. Jakes is not actually a bishop, as far as I am aware. He has had no episcopal consecration in an apostolic line of Holy Orders that I know of.

b4real

02/27/2005 10:58:29 AM

While I liked the movie, I am not in agreement with them using the name of God in vain...I can not believe that even regular T.V. will bleep out any and all other curse words but not that one!! It flows out and is ignored like nothing..as far as Bishop Jakes, I have seen him since the very onset of his ministry. I find him to be a great man of God, and very annointed...I guess I have to wonder how he felt at the using of that word....I often ask folks, if I called your mother or dad a horrible name, you would want to most likely hit me, so how is it that you can stand by and listen to folks blaspheme your only Heavenly Father? He is after all the only one who died for you!!! The Jewish faith holds and esteems the name of God so highly (AND RIGHTFULLY SO) that they are not even permitted to write it out as you have maybe noticed..they do it as such G_d..and usually will not even speak it unless praying, teaching, etc...if only all of us would extend this respect to our Lord!!

bparno

02/25/2005 09:16:16 AM

Many years ago I saw ray perform and I will have to say that there wasnt a soul in the crowd that wasnt moving with the beat. Ray was an inspiration to all of us and I believe that in his own way he was a great preacher. His message was brotherhood for all mankind, and despite what torrents he went through in his own life, and dont we all, greatness was his birthright. How could any of us not be moved by his rendition of America the Beautiful. It brings tears to my eyes. GOD Blessed Ray, " blessed are the peacemakers for they shall see the face of God". We shall surely miss him, but he will certainly not be forgotten.

shirleyp

02/24/2005 07:20:29 PM

I too like Bishop Jakes, enjoyed the movie. I was taken by some of the things that he had gone through in his life. When we see celebrities and other entertainers on stages or in the public's eye, we have no ide of what they've gone through. Looking at Ray Charles down through the years, I would never have guessed he went through the things that he did. I like the fact that his mother was (if it's true) about his blindness. We don't need pity, just someone to help you along the way. I truly believe that God was with him in all his journey's( whether good or bad). We must realize that we choose our own paths and roads (good or bad). So I think "Ray " just gave us a whole new look into part of his life, in which I appreciate the realness.

SquirleyWurley

02/24/2005 04:49:03 AM

I dislike the 'morality play' and I dislike pulling out Jakes to do it.

joab

02/24/2005 01:59:37 AM

I think Bishop jakes did a great job reviewing Ray's life. It was great to show how loving and smart his mother was. The world does not see black mothers as caring,and full of wisdom. She prepared Ray for a world that would use the blind for their own gain. I think It was nice of Ray to share with the world his private life. The sex,bigotry, fear,haunting memories,and the skill to take care of himself. I hope Ray gave his heart to Christ before his death.

rboylern

02/23/2005 05:55:35 PM

So what is this, a movie about a famous person or some sort of morality play? Ray Charles had problems just like everyone else.

mightymountaingorilla

02/23/2005 04:06:35 PM

Ray is a good movie. Not great, not fantastic, just good. Why? Because although the performances were absolutely wonderful, the movie itself was just so cornball. Remember the scenes with Ray's mom? I just wanted to be like, "we get the point already." I think people (esp. movie makers) forget that the audience that watches these types of movies generally tend to be smart. We can deal with subtle messages. Remember: it's not the message that's wholly important--the way you get it out matters, too. And frankly, "Ray" kinda blew it when it came to that.

badger539

02/23/2005 01:54:34 PM

I'm not quite certain what makes Rev. Jakes an authority on Ray Charles. maybe this is just an example of the maxim, "Success had a thousand fathers but failure is an orphan."

Bravo88

02/22/2005 10:44:07 PM

I liked the Bishop's answers and how he managed to clarify that redemption is a word that has been watered down.

akbusch

02/21/2005 02:04:08 PM

The older blues musicians tell stories about how white and Black musicians down south used to get together all the tim--on the QT, of course--and swap songs. There was all sorts of cross-pollination of styles. What Ray Charles did is he had the courage to make the blend of styles, especially blues and gospel, and later country, more obvious than anyone had before, and he did it so well that people had to take notice. RIP, Brother Ray!

akbusch

02/21/2005 02:00:19 PM

(cont.) As a muscian myself, and someone who loves many different styles of music, I learned to respect Ray Charles even more when the movie pointed out that Brother Ray loved all kinds of music. The movie has him telling someone, who was surprised that he knew a country song, "Music is music, baby!" Actually, Black musicians have always played "white" music. When a black person plays a country song, it's called "R&B" or "blues" (e.g. DeFord Bailey). When a white person plays a blues song, it's called "country" (e.g. Jimmie Rodgers or Hank Williams).

akbusch

02/21/2005 01:55:26 PM

Good article. I too enjoyed "Ray", very much. It was well-acted and well-filmed. There is a great deal in it about Jim Crow and other things in our country's history that we don't hear or talk much about. For example, the house where Ray and the rest of Lowell Fulson's band stopped for a rest and food was typical in the south, where African-Americans were forbidden from entering many restaurants, so there would be houses where women would be paid to cook meals and offer a resting place for African-American travellers.

Lchunkylady

02/20/2005 10:40:48 PM

Dear Preacher,T.D.Jakes I've seen you Preach and Praise the LORD,several times,this year on TV. You are a wonderful preacher that,stirs the spirit, within me. I like to watch different preachers of different faiths,so that I can examine the characterize or qualities of their different views on many subjects.I loved Ray Charles,have listened and watched his performances,for several years. The "LORD" has created, many great black men and women,for me to admire. Ray was one great performer,and I agreed with you,that he had a gift,when it came to music. He was a very skillful person. I think Ray,found closure with some of his demons. Even,though he was handicapped,by his blindness,he was very Blessed by "GOD". I know he's jamming with the angels,in Heaven,as the head pianist. It's his greatest performers,I SAY,AMEN AND AMEN.

windbender

02/19/2005 05:07:14 PM

It's fairly easy to understand how this gentleman comes to have illicited the kind of interest he's enjoyed in recent years. At every turn he couches his response in such a was as to make it clear that he is not being judgmental. Remarkable and very telling.

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