When the Can-Can Was Divine

A Muslim scholar deconstructs Best Picture nominee 'Moulin Rouge'

connietyl

04/06/2002 01:26:44 AM

Dear Ladym3, I don't agree. Love, for just love's sake is the greatest feeling of all. Sometimes I see a child, or a dog, or a flower or an adult who's very different from the norm and feel this overwhelming love and delight in them. Sometimes I look around the coffee shop in the morning and just am in love with everyone. I don't expect anything from them except the delight. On those days, life is incredibly good. It's what I strive for. (Since God is Agape, I know on those days I am experiencing God) I might not choose to make a life partnership with any of those people, but too often I think we equate the desire to make a life partnership with someone with love. Love is unconditional, but agreeing to stay with some is not -- I wouldn't stay with someone who hit me, for instance, no matter how much I loved him or her.

sonofthunder

03/25/2002 01:45:16 PM

I think Godlas makes an excellent point. To look at it another way, the development of a believer's love for God is similar to the development of a child's love for his/her parents. At the beginning, a child is totally self-centered, loving the parents only so far as they provide for the child and hating the parents when they refuse to give the child whatever he/she wants. As the child matures, he/she moves away from that selfish kind of love toward a more other-centered love. Now that I think of it, that also describes a difference between adolescent and adult romantic love. The adolescent loves you if you are fun to be with and do what he/she wants. Adults (ideally) move away from that toward a more mature love in which the adult loves his/her lover because of who he/she is. I would describe loving God for what He gives as a similarly immature kind of love, and loving God for who He is as a more mature kind of love.

kannbrown65

03/25/2002 07:31:32 AM

Well, I think the point he was making was the choice wasn't between the love of the writer or love of the Duke. She didn't love the Duke, that much was clear. It was love of the writer or love of what the Duke could -do- for her. And that was a struggle. In a religious context, do you love God, or do you follow for the reward (or even fear of punishment)? If there was no reward or punishment, would you still pursue a relationship?

Tago45

03/22/2002 08:53:58 PM

I have to agree with Jeffdavenport about the movie's plot. I loved the movie, but I don't think the article quite got it. It did make me think of my relationship with God and it has inspired me, though.

ladym3

03/22/2002 08:06:26 PM

I cannot say much about the movie because I had no interest in it. Perhaps I will see it at a later time. I can share my thoughts of love of God. Everyone that loves.... loves something within the object of their love. This thing or person is meeting some need of theirs.There has to be some reward in loving this person or else what would be the point. Either you are looking for love in return, to be admired, taken care of, companionship or something. Love for just love sakes does not exist. I don't think. If this was the case I could simply just love myself and be content with that if there were no tangible rewards. Just to reach out to people to be doing something makes no sense. It has to be something in it for a person to continue the behavior. Period.

abarenboshogunvi

03/22/2002 12:57:13 PM

The Moulin Rouge is about Truth Beauty Freedom But most of all Love :-)

LabyrinthWalker

03/22/2002 05:35:59 AM

I agree completely with jeffdavenport. And I can add another perspective as well - being Gay, I have had to struggle my entire life with the Truth/Untruth issue. And it's not about accepting *myself* anymore (tho it was at one time) but about battling those forces who would force Untruth upon me, like the Duke holding the deed to the Moulin Rouge and ordering the Write killed.

jeffdavenport

03/21/2002 09:14:43 PM

But Satine does not really love the Duke! You can't compare her potential relationships with the Duke and the Writer as a contrast between two types of love. Rather, they appear to be a contrast between Truth and Untruth. She was prepared to behave as though she loved the Duke (first for financial security and second to protect the Writer). In the end she chose Truth over Untruth. And in Truth there was Love.

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